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post #41 of 154
1/15/10 at 12:13pm
Apple announces on Jan 27:

1) the Tablet for delivery late March
2) an enhanced iPhone/Tablet SDK 4.0 to include new Tablet features and screen sizes
3) the 4.0 SDK is available today!
4) the Tablet is carrier neutral

Depending on how much advantage Apple wants to take of a PSF (Press Speculation Frenzy) they could announce the next version of iPhone, iPod Touch, both or neither.

I expect them to say nada about the coming iPhone or iPod Touch and focus on the Tablet... and let the speculation run wild.

5) then, some time in the April-May timeframe Apple announces iPhone 4G, iPod Touch 4G, and a smaller (or larger) Tablet (depending on what ships in March).

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post #42 of 154
1/15/10 at 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by mrtotes View Post

I don't think they need to do it this time as the tablet is probably close enough to the iPhone or MacBook not to need to release the hardware to developers but it's not without precedence:

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...it_photos.html

Best you do some due diligence.

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This does not entitle you to new hardware in development. Certainly, some major software and hardware developers have been privileged to some of Apples pre-releases, but trust me it is not done casually and not without virtually signing your life away, if at all.

Certainly, just signing up for an Apple SDK kit does not unilaterally get you a pre-release software at any discount.
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post #43 of 154
1/15/10 at 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

My best guess is once that cat is out of the bag regarding the Tablet they will update the iPhone right away, the Tablet I tend to believe will be shipping a while later.

Yeah, I seem to remember the last OS coming out before the big announcement too. The thing that strikes me the most about this rumour is the 4.0 number itself. It suggests that it's a major revision, probably adding things like a documents folder and new UI elements to support the tablet.

I know a lot of people are expecting that the tablet will have it's own OS that is different from the iPhone one, but I don't see why it would or that this would be a good thing. Apple is not going to fracture OS-X into a dozen pieces for no good reason. The iPhone OS with a few changes would work well for the tablet and I expect it to be running OS 4.0 along with the iPhone.

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post #44 of 154
1/15/10 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by al_bundy View Post

people are buying other phones because they want to listen to Pandora and do something else at the same time. there are nice features coming out for android that apple needs to acknowledge or risk losing sales

You may find this hard to believe, but the vast majority of smartphone users have never even heard of Pandora.
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post #45 of 154
1/15/10 at 12:33pm
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Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post


I'm saying I believe Apple takes notice of those who are buying a new device from them if they are a developer or not and makes sure they get a device before someone in the general public does.

They obviously don't want a rush of consumers signing up for the SDK with no intention of using it.

Just saying the possibilities are very good if you do though.


This has been my experience:

When you register as a Mac Developer (and pay the annual fee) you get credits to purchase a limited number of systems based on the fee (there are several levels at different prices). There is a special store for developers with prices that amount to a 0-20% discount based on the product.

New products are usually not available in the Developer Store until the product begins shipping to consumers.

The one exception to this was the Apple Developer Transition System-- a Mac Pro with a Intel motherboard, for the transition to Intel. This system had to be returned to Apple when Intel Macs began shipment (it was replaced with a production Intel iMac 17).

iPhone Developers have no special store or discounts, AFAIK.

I know of no actual cases, but I suspect that Apple seeds a few key, high-profile developers with new products... but this would, likely, be less than 100 devices total!

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post #46 of 154
1/15/10 at 12:41pm
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Originally Posted by isaidso View Post

You are suggesting that Apple remains competitive by responding / reacting to what other companies do. You, of course, have it quite backwards; and I think that point is a little closer to what the original poster was trying to express with their comment.

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people are buying other phones because they want to listen to Pandora and do something else at the same time. there are nice features coming out for android that apple needs to acknowledge or risk losing sales

I agree with al. Apple doesn't have to react to competitors so much as respond to its customers, both existing and potential. The landscape has changed in the last few months. Nothing used to be able to come close to the iPhone OS experience, but Android has changed that. And phones makers are much better units, even if they are all basically knock-offs of the iPhone design. The gap in this market is closing.

Apple has done a great job in the last decade of balancing consumer demand without compromising innovation. I don't agree with charlituna that they've been successful just by doing things whenever they feel like it.
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post #47 of 154
1/15/10 at 12:46pm
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Originally Posted by al_bundy View Post

people are buying other phones because they want to listen to Pandora and do something else at the same time. there are nice features coming out for android that apple needs to acknowledge or risk losing sales

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Originally Posted by isaidso View Post

You may find this hard to believe, but the vast majority of smartphone users have never even heard of Pandora.

I think you are missing his point here...
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post #48 of 154
1/15/10 at 1:10pm
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Originally Posted by charlituna View Post

and when they are wrong they are going to buy you a tablet right

Nah, but they have offered to refund my subscription fee to AI.
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post #49 of 154
1/15/10 at 1:22pm
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Originally Posted by rtdunham View Post

"actually..."

You're just taking the easy, literal way out to knock down someone else's opinion. I'm with melgross, who argued that with the rapidly changing smart phone environment, apple needs to bring new features via software updates more often than once a year, if it's not gonna intro new hardware more than once a year.

It's gotta stay competitive, and imho updating hardware and software only once a year isn't enough. Apple needs to do it, thus--if you want to make this insight conform to your p.o.v.--apple will want to do it. And will.

If the iPhone's gonna remain successful, with all the new products being intro'd with new hardware (better screens, faster processors, for ex) and new software (multitasking, for ex) Apple can't afford to wait 12 months for each significant refresh.

The people who run Apple learned this lesson over 20 years ago. The first Mac (1984) was launched with the 68000 processor and it changed the PC marketplace. It took years for competitors to respond effectively but unfortunately for Apple it took them years to evolve the product to take advantage of the 68020 chip while PC's had already moved to the 80386 from the 8088. It is too complicated to ignore the many other factors but "taking their foot off the accelerator" was a crucial mistake.

Many predicted the same fate would befall the originally successful iPod. Rob Glaser, the CEO of Real Networks predicted Apple's share of the portable digital audio market would decline to 5% in a few years. But this time Apple was a fast moving target. The iPod evolved quickly and the competitors never got close so Apple owns something like 70% of that market.

The same lesson applies to the iPhone market. Apple has to improve and evolve rapidly to succeed like it did with the iPod. Slow deliberative steps would lead to the Mac problems of the 90's. In the present case though I don't think the competitors are even focusing on the right device. Only smartphones are being built while the iPod touch is battering the ineffectual competition from Sony and Nintendo gaming devices. It is almost daunting how nimble Apple is at this point compared to its competition.
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post #50 of 154
1/15/10 at 1:23pm
CNet has updated their article to say: "The developer later acknowledged that it meant to refer to a 4.0 version of the app itself, not OS 4.0."
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post #51 of 154
1/15/10 at 1:25pm
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

And hopefully, everyone will read the README's and the manual, checkout the Help menu, view the web site and watch the videos before they install/update

None of that is necessary with Apple products. They are intuitive. They just work.
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post #52 of 154
1/15/10 at 1:26pm
Macrumors verified it as a mistake in the original reporting.

Nothing to see here. Move along.
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post #53 of 154
1/15/10 at 1:26pm
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

And hopefully, everyone will read the README's and the manual, checkout the Help menu, view the web site and watch the videos before they install/update or make stupid comments/judgements due to their stupidity or ignorance.

And better yet, have an iPhone in the first place. Otherwise, keep their mouths shut.


Sometimes even the manuals, help, videos and readme files don't help.
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post #54 of 154
1/15/10 at 1:29pm
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

None of that is necessary with Apple products. They are intuitive. They just work.

Umm, what about the initial release of MobileMe? Or the initial release of iPhone OS 2.0? How about the iMacs that displayed graphics distortion? What about the iPhones that randomly fell into coma mode with version 3.x? No one is bulletproof and every company makes mistakes.
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post #55 of 154
1/15/10 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

As Apple recommends, if it your iPhone is not operating as expected, reset it.

I do so once a month now and as a result, I can't remember the last time I had a dropped call. Certainly seems to speed up the apps, and everything wireless related.

Yep. Format the drive and reinstall windows...errr.....

Indeed, I have never in my life owned a device which has needed more OS reinstalls than my iPhone. I had my last laptop for about five years, and only had to reinstall the XP once.

In 7 months, I've had to format the drive on the iPhone 3 times.
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post #56 of 154
1/15/10 at 1:36pm
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

As Apple recommends, if it your iPhone is not operating as expected, reset it.

I do so once a month now and as a result, I can't remember the last time I had a dropped call. Certainly seems to speed up the apps, and everything wireless related.

I would hope that the world's best phone wouldn't have to be reset that often. I understand it's a personal decision you made, but ok.
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post #57 of 154
1/15/10 at 1:38pm
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Originally Posted by dude abides View Post

I agree with al. Apple doesn't have to react to competitors so much as respond to its customers

Apple does not listen to its customers. They tell their customers.

That's what makes them so great!
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post #58 of 154
1/15/10 at 2:08pm
I don't care when it's released - I love my 3GS as is, I just want to see it on the big screen come Jan 27
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post #59 of 154
1/15/10 at 2:10pm
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Yep. Format the drive and reinstall windows...errr.....

Indeed, I have never in my life owned a device which has needed more OS reinstalls than my iPhone. I had my last laptop for about five years, and only had to reinstall the XP once.

In 7 months, I've had to format the drive on the iPhone 3 times.

Really? Good for you. You're the exception, not the rule. Windows XP systems are less reliable than Win2k systems.

If you're a developer you're constantly f'n with stuff in Windows.
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post #60 of 154
1/15/10 at 2:12pm
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

This has been my experience:

When you register as a Mac Developer (and pay the annual fee) you get credits to purchase a limited number of systems based on the fee (there are several levels at different prices). There is a special store for developers with prices that amount to a 0-20% discount based on the product.

New products are usually not available in the Developer Store until the product begins shipping to consumers.

The one exception to this was the Apple Developer Transition System-- a Mac Pro with a Intel motherboard, for the transition to Intel. This system had to be returned to Apple when Intel Macs began shipment (it was replaced with a production Intel iMac 17).

iPhone Developers have no special store or discounts, AFAIK.

I know of no actual cases, but I suspect that Apple seeds a few key, high-profile developers with new products... but this would, likely, be less than 100 devices total!

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post #61 of 154
1/15/10 at 2:27pm
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Originally Posted by jfmartin67 View Post

... that Apple will release iPhone OS 4.0 to dev on Jan 27th with a few weeks to test for application compatibility and general availability with the release of the Tablet... or maybe those cold be released on two different schedules...

What "application compatibillity"?

It's an update, not a new OS.

It keeps the same binary interface (or 99.999 the same).

And of course it has been tested extensively in-house.
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post #62 of 154
1/15/10 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Yep. Format the drive and reinstall windows...errr.....

Indeed, I have never in my life owned a device which has needed more OS reinstalls than my iPhone. I had my last laptop for about five years, and only had to reinstall the XP once.

In 7 months, I've had to format the drive on the iPhone 3 times.

You do understand that whatever the circumstances, this is absolutely unnecessary ―except if you jailbreak and brick your iphone often.

Or do you, everytime an app crashes on you, re-install the OS?

Whatever man. I never re-installed the OS on my iPhone (3G, bought 1 1/2 year ago) and have no problems whatsoever.

Yours sounds like voodoo problem-solving to me.
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post #63 of 154
1/15/10 at 2:33pm
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Originally Posted by ascii View Post

I wonder what new stuff it has? I hope it is faster, my iPhone 3G (not S) is feeling a bit sluggish lately.

It's just the itch to buy new stuff.
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post #64 of 154
1/15/10 at 2:35pm
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Originally Posted by al_bundy View Post

people are buying other phones because they want to listen to Pandora and do something else at the same time. there are nice features coming out for android that apple needs to acknowledge or risk losing sales

You mean like the, em, 20.000 units of the new Google phone sold?

Those people "buying other phones" must be few and far between --the haven't even made a dent on iPhone market share.
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post #65 of 154
1/15/10 at 2:44pm
Update, 12:25 p.m.: According to the developer, this press release was meant to refer to a 4.0 version of the app itself, not OS 4.0. Even so, I think it's very likely the Apple tablet will arrive with an updated iPhone OS. We'll find out in a few weeks. In the meantime, keep the OS 4.0 wish list discussion going!
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post #66 of 154
1/15/10 at 2:46pm
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Originally Posted by ghostface147 View Post

I would hope that the world's best phone wouldn't have to be reset that often. I understand it's a personal decision you made, but ok.

It doesn't have to be reset that often.

I do so as a developer because I am installing, removing, reinstalling and testing apps constantly.

In addition, I change my music and more often iPod videos from iTunes U to peruse while I am traveling between assignments and client services. I have found that freshening my iPhone has virtually eliminated any unforeseen hiccups. It works like new. I may overdo it, but it makes me comfortable.

First thing I suggest to everybody that has issues with the iPhone, do a soft reset. Then a hard reset if necessary. It is unbelievable what some try to put on their iPhones/iPod touches. Invariably much of the problems are solved with just a soft reset.

It is also unbelievable that most don't even know what a soft or hard reset is, how much is involved and how quickly it can be done.
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post #67 of 154
1/15/10 at 3:15pm
will it have FM radio?!!
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post #68 of 154
1/15/10 at 3:59pm
I'm sick of waiting for an update to the current buggy mess that is the iPhone OS.

Much as I enjoy my iPhone regularly reporting I have 'no content', the iPod app crashing daily, the phone slowing down to snail's pace after a few days without a reboot, and the podcast list scrolling like an early 8-bit on it's death bed... I think I'm ready for that all to go away.

The iPhone used to be snappy, reliable, and a joy to use. Since 3.0 all that went out the window. Apple, I am still waiting for a fix.
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post #69 of 154
1/15/10 at 4:06pm
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Originally Posted by isaidso View Post

You may find this hard to believe, but the vast majority of smartphone users have never even heard of Pandora.

Maybe not, but they'll all of had to quit an app, be it a game, Facebook, a Twitter client, TomTom or anything else, to answer an IM, text, email, or phone call.

A friend of mine has a G1 and has never used an iPhone. He was stunned when I told him my iPhone couldn't multi-task. He's just ordered a Nexus One and will I'm sure be only too happy to show me just how good it is when it arrives.

Apple must know the iPhone is technically inferior to the competition, and with Jobs being the perfectionist he is that must really rub him up the wrong way. I wouldn't be surprised if iPhone version 4 was out in the Spring.
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post #70 of 154
1/15/10 at 4:10pm
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Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post

I'm sick of waiting for an update to the current buggy mess that is the iPhone OS.

Much as I enjoy my iPhone regularly reporting I have 'no content', the iPod app crashing daily, the phone slowing down to snail's pace after a few days without a reboot, and the podcast list scrolling like an early 8-bit on it's death bed... I think I'm ready for that all to go away.

The iPhone used to be snappy, reliable, and a joy to use. Since 3.0 all that went out the window. Apple, I am still waiting for a fix.

Give it away. Obviously you are just not compatible with the iPhone and according to most of your posts, nothing that is Apple.

Smells fishy to me.
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post #71 of 154
1/15/10 at 4:24pm
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Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post

I'm sick of waiting for an update to the current buggy mess that is the iPhone OS.

Much as I enjoy my iPhone regularly reporting I have 'no content', the iPod app crashing daily, the phone slowing down to snail's pace after a few days without a reboot, and the podcast list scrolling like an early 8-bit on it's death bed... I think I'm ready for that all to go away.

The iPhone used to be snappy, reliable, and a joy to use. Since 3.0 all that went out the window. Apple, I am still waiting for a fix.

What fix? 3.0 is fine. What have you done to try to resolve your issues?
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post #72 of 154
1/15/10 at 4:40pm
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What fix? 3.0 is fine. What have you done to try to resolve your issues?

What have I done? Had the iPhone replaced 3 times. Rebooted each one about every 2 days. Reinstalled iTunes multiple times. Switched from Vista to Win 7. Restored the iPhone more times than I can remember.

I don't know what else I can possibly do. It used to work great. Now it doesn't.

Oh I should also add I just love the sync times with iTunes 9. 5 minutes to sync with no new content to copy over at all. Just epic. Oh and my PC, while not state of the art, is respectable. (Core 2 Quad 2.6ghz, 4gb RAM, about 8tb HD space etc.)
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post #73 of 154
1/15/10 at 4:43pm
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

Give it away. Obviously you are just not compatible with the iPhone and according to most of your posts, nothing that is Apple.

Smells fishy to me.

Sorry if I offended your fanboy sensabilities. I have owned Apple products for well over a decade now, and had great ones (old school iPods, the iPhone at launch, the MacBook), mediocre ones (AppleTV, Airport Extreme), and terrible ones (iPhone OS3, iTunes 9, any system 7 based Mac).

They have their ups and downs like any company, but I feel lately the downs have been growing. Perhaps Jobs is too focussed on the tablet to give a damn about anything else anymore.
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1/15/10 at 5:18pm
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Sorry if I offended your fanboy sensabilities. I have owned Apple products for well over a decade now, and had great ones (old school iPods, the iPhone at launch, the MacBook), mediocre ones (AppleTV, Airport Extreme), and terrible ones (iPhone OS3, iTunes 9, any system 7 based Mac).

They have their ups and downs like any company, but I feel lately the downs have been growing. Perhaps Jobs is too focussed on the tablet to give a damn about anything else anymore.

Looked at your past too.

8 Terabyte HDs

Too many negs on everything from Apple.

Trolling to me.
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1/15/10 at 5:28pm
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Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post

Sorry if I offended your fanboy sensabilities. I have owned Apple products for well over a decade now, and had great ones (old school iPods, the iPhone at launch, the MacBook), mediocre ones (AppleTV, Airport Extreme), and terrible ones (iPhone OS3, iTunes 9, any system 7 based Mac).

They have their ups and downs like any company, but I feel lately the downs have been growing. Perhaps Jobs is too focussed on the tablet to give a damn about anything else anymore.

Looked at your past too.

8 Terabyte HDs

Too many negs on everything from Apple.

Trolling to me.
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post #76 of 154
1/15/10 at 6:36pm
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Yep. Format the drive and reinstall windows...errr.....

Indeed, I have never in my life owned a device which has needed more OS reinstalls than my iPhone. I had my last laptop for about five years, and only had to reinstall the XP once.

In 7 months, I've had to format the drive on the iPhone 3 times.

How the hell do you format an iPhone? I know how to do a restore and how to install an update, but format?
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post #77 of 154
1/15/10 at 6:43pm
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Originally Posted by sdbryan View Post

How the hell do you format an iPhone? I know how to do a restore and how to install an update, but format?

restore= format. Well, in my crazy world anyway.
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1/15/10 at 6:46pm
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Originally Posted by Onhka View Post

Looked at your past too.

8 Terabyte HDs

Too many negs on everything from Apple.

Trolling to me.

Oh please, stop being so childish.

I don't see the point of coming onto forums to sing the praises of things. If something is working, I don't talk about it. My Macbook works, hence I rarely, if ever, post anything about it. My iPhone used to work, so I said little, if anything about it. Now it's a train wreck, so I'm moaning. Arguably this too, is pointless, but a good rant relieves stress.

And what on earth are you picking up on my HD space comment for? Yes I have a lot of HD space, spread over 5 drives, 3 internal, 2 external. Is that a problem for you?

If anyone is trolling, it's you.
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1/15/10 at 6:53pm
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Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post

restore= format. Well, in my crazy world anyway.

Formatting is the actual erasing of the drive, even if its just the MBR for a quick format. I think iDevices simply rewrite the OS without doing any formal formatting of the drive.
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1/15/10 at 6:54pm
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Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post

I don't see the point of coming onto forums to sing the praises of thingsbut a good rant relieves stress.

As the saying goes, "Laugh, and the world laughs with you; Weep, and you weep alone."
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