Originally Posted by BR
Pretty sure you won't find those quotes.
Pretty sure that if you had commented on it though that is what you would have said.
I feel betrayed by the system. You'd think that after eight years of Republican rule, we'd have less debt and be safer.
First it wasn't eight years of Republican rule. The Republicans had the presidency, sure but only held both houses of Congress for four out of those eight years. The Democrats took back both houses in 2006 and the Senate switched from 2000-2002 due to Jeffords.
1994-2000 were indeed years where the Republicans held both houses of Congress and the spending cuts and controls were significant. Clinton had to be dragged kicking and screaming into signing a balanced budget but he did.
My view is that the president has the ability to sign off spending or establish priorities but in the end it is really the Congress that determines spending. We have really seen this in California where a Democratic legislature and various Republican governors haven't been able to dent the spending very much.
That said, while I radically disagreed with the Bush spending, it clearly is remarkable how much the reins must have been pulled in compared to the Democrats. When you hear all the complaints about what was driving up the deficits in the Bush years and realize those numbers are peanuts compared to now, it lets me know that even if his priorities were misplaced, at least they were efficient.
I mean we had an expansion of Medicare and two wars under Bush and averaged deficits of $250-400 billion a year (The $400 billion years were from Democrats 2006 on.) As critical we can be of those deficits, we would be thankful for them now in comparsion to the Obama deficits.
We're way worse off than we were under Clinton and way less safe. And the immature behavior of the vocal Republicans and the candidates they've put forth has made me lose even more respect for them.
I'll agree and disagree. I'll agree that we have erected huge organizations that are supposed to keep us safe and cost fair amounts of money. I'll also say that they aren't very effective due to our desire to be sensitive instead of effective. We don't need to put people in internment camps but at the same time we should be able to say that single men with no baggage on expired student visa's from certain countries deserve a little extra scrutiny. We can't seem to say that so yes, the efforts are largely annoying and wasteful. The candidates the Republicans have put forth aren't bad at all as long as you turn off the sycophantic news networks and read the news.
I also saw what happened in the last decade under deregulation when corporations were given more freedom to bend over the American public and ass fuck us without even the courtesy to give us a reach around. Libertarianism is great, in theory. In a bubble. In a world without greedy assholes who will stomp on anyone's neck to make a buck. We don't live in that world. Sorry to burst your bubble.
I can understand where you are coming from and even agree a fair amount. The issue, in my view is that such greedy enterprises are not propped up by market principles but rather by government conditions that create distortions where this greed operates. Clearly banks operating at a huge loss isn't very profitable for anyone. You add the Federal Reserve, Frannie and Freddie and government demand to stop "redlining" certain lenders though and what you end up with is a mess. The government is so large now that it is hard to find areas where it doesn't distort the market.
You know my own side field is landlording. The number of "rent subsidized" apartment buildings has grown tremendously in the last ten years for example. Section 8 housing vouchers have altered entire neighborhoods. My ads for my units now actually state that you can earn money and rent from me and likewise we won't alter your rent based on what you make. It is crazy out there. What we think of as private, just like with medical insurance, is nothing of the sort.
And I bet I could dig up some choice quotes from you about not wanting to judge Bush so quickly. Except this time, those quotes are really likely to exist.
I doubt it. I was never the biggest Bush fan. Just like the last election, you didn't see me expressing any strong opinions for McCain. I've already stated this is true for with regard to Romney if he were to run next time. Republicans that want to just run "better" wealth transfer programs are like Democrats who want to just run "better" wars. We should point at both and laugh.
Nice post btw, that is more of the BR I used to know and enjoy.
Originally Posted by MaxParrish
My parents were young adults in WWII, and raised a family after the war. I asked them about medical insurance and they told me most people did'nt have it - you just paid for hospitalization out of pocket.
My father had crappy jobs for 15 years, but paying for a three day stay in the hospital (to have a baby) was not a financial crisis.
And a broken arm? That used to be ordinary stuff, not 45K jobs.
Fplks often claim that its the cost of technology - sure, that is a factor. BUT everything costs much more, including old technology and basics (X-rays, an overnight stay, etc). And back then doctors could afford the time for home visits.
Two events changed all that: first the tax exemption to employers and employees for third party insurance, then the giant Medicare (and Medicaid) expansion (causing a 40% rise in costs).
So the government is chasing its tail, dumping more money in (via reform) while claiming they are going to reduce costs -
The free lunchers never learn.
Exactly and this is what becomes so hard to see. There isn't a half free lunch either. It just creates market distortions where the greedy folks who aren't true capitalists operate.
Originally Posted by Mumbo Jumbo
Oh Jesus. I will try and explain this as simply and clearly as I can. You wrote:
OK. Now, please enjoy finishing this sentence:
"Keith Olberman was homophobic when he used the term "teabagger", which is not a homosexual term, to describe Scott Brown because..."
Or you could just admit YOU MADE A MISTAKE. For ONCE.
There is nothing you quoted that showed myself or anyone else trying to claim the act was exclusive. It isn't even close. Please give up your sad little strawmen.