Originally Posted by BR
Because this is the most fucking retarded discussion ever on Political Outsider. I was self enacting Godwin's as a joke. Get a grip mister serious pants. If you're going to get your panties in a bunch, blame the teabagging movement for using the term in the first place.
They didn't use it. They used tea party. The wonderful "newscasters" like Anderson Cooper, and Rachel Maddow decided to use it as a term of ridicule. It was right there in the Wikipedia link with only FIVE
But wait BR, can you prove I EXCLUSIVELY get my panties in a bunch?
You claim that it was ironic to call Brown homophobic and a teabagging supporter in the same sentence. Who used the term teabag with regard to the Tea Party first? Could it be none other than members of that very own movement?
Actually by your very own link, no it couldn't.Koppelman speculates that Jenkins was more likely than ReTeaParty.com to have been aware of the double entendre; he summarizes, "for the most part conservatives haven't actually been using the words in such a way as to lend themselves to double entendre. With one or two exceptions, almost all of it has actually been coming from the left."[
Are you claiming the exception proves the rule? If I find one or two members of a lefist organization who don't understand a double entendre or who have questionable grammar, can I forgo courtesy and also if I am a journalist, any ethical standards and just call people names for as long as I want?
Trumpt, a little bit of reasonableness in admitting you jumped the gun on that statement of yours would go a long way to helping your credibility.
I provided a link to the ten year old John Waters movie that attempted to mainstream the term. I'm not just repeating nonsense or just making crap up. Within MJ's link I noted the journalists who used it and it had five citations. Within your own link it notes the exception and how derogatory lefist journalists and political pundits are using a total of two known instances to tarnish and treat badly an entire protest movement.
Speaking of reasonableness, let me ask you BR, if this were the 60's and several political pundits or newscasters were calling anyone marching "n*gg*r lovers" would you consider it appropriate and professional?
Let's go hit that wonderful UrbanDictionary.com you love so much and see what it notes
Hmmm...notes it isnt just EXCLUSIVE to white people in that top rated definition. Lots of people voted for it too so really, that makes to totally right for Olbermann and Maddow to use on people.
It meets the BR and MJ criteria. The most people voted on it. I'm sure two people can be found who used the term whether it be appropriately or inappropriately to describe aspects of the civil rights movement. It isn't exclusive to one group.
Perhaps now you can see why all those strawmen are just bad reasoning put up to ignore good reasoning and good points of discussion.
And yes, you are right strawmen points really are "fucking retarded" to discuss instead of addressing the actual relevant points. The relevant point was that Olbermann was issuing a long hateful monologue for no rational reason. Stewart called him out on it. His funny summation was, that he had given up thought and was just calling people names. He pointed out that even the attempts to justify it were ridiculously weak and often hypocritical (irony is a synonym for hypocritical btw.) Olbermann agreed and apologized.
So when all the critics and principals involved in the action have agreed with me and even taken appropriate action related to it, it is indeed "fucking retarded" to repeat that one is correct and credible ad-nauseum when those being defended have already given up the fight and ceded the point. It is "fucking retarded" for you and MJ to be defending Olbermann when Olbermann has already said his words were wrong.