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post #41 of 61
1/20/10 at 9:25am
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Originally Posted by iPedro View Post

Regrettably, I have to install Windows on my Mac to check for compatibility of the websites I design. This will make using Windows an easier pill to swallow.

In a related topic, does anybody know where 10.6.3 stands? 10.6.2 ruined the speed and stability gains that the original release version of Snow Leopard brought over Leopard.

I do too for the same reason but why on earth not use Parallels or VMWare for this as checking in Windows side by side with the Mac view plus you can fix on the fly and update the Windows view all in real time.

BTW I have found Snow Leopard far faster than Leopard I a puzzled why you don't. As I have over 4 GIGs I booted into the 64 bit kernel and see even better gains and see all 8 cores working very efficiently in most apps now.

Meanwhile I'd like to test 7 in Bootcamp for gaming reasons however now I have registered 7 from Parallels I suspect if I install in Bootcamp M$ will refuse to license / activate it even though it is on the same computer. Can anyone verify this one way or the other?
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post #42 of 61
1/20/10 at 9:36am
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Easiest way to reboot into Windows for me is simply to select the Windows disk as the boot target in the System Configuration tool. Takes a couple of clicks in OS X, but no need then to select the OS during the boot process.

Actually a quick way is to open your Preferences, and select the Startup Disk applet.
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post #43 of 61
1/20/10 at 9:49am
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Originally Posted by pmz View Post

Question, I already have Windows 7 installed on a partition for my iMac. Should I avoid this upgrade until I erase that partition?

Me too. I've had Win7 running fine with Snow Leopard and BootCamp for a few months now. (and as a VM using Fusion) I haven't looked at the installation process yet, but 'if it ain't broke'- is it worth doing this upgrade?
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post #44 of 61
1/20/10 at 9:52am
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Me too. I've had Win7 running fine with Snow Leopard and BootCamp for a few months now. (and as a VM using Fusion) I haven't looked at the installation process yet, but 'if it ain't broke'- is it worth doing this upgrade?

Why not? Just open your Apple Software Update on the Windows side and let it update. It will only be adding additional driver support. Irrelevant for VM/Virtual hardware, but if you use BootCamp, it's not a bad idea at all.
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post #45 of 61
1/20/10 at 10:29am
While I have a lot of Windows 7 on a mac people in one place can I just ask what sound drivers people recommend?

I got the real audio HD ones that people recommended around launch but it still sounds like my W7 iMac is in a cupboard compared to the same tracks on the OSX iMac side of the computer. Identical hardware should not sound this different!!
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post #46 of 61
1/20/10 at 10:40am
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Originally Posted by Lukeskymac View Post

Sorry, but I also run Windows 7 RC since Leopard (now snow leopard) and didn't (and still don't) have any of those issues. You should try installing the drivers from the Mac OS X install disc.

It is also very stupid of you to blame Apple for Windows' inability to display the time right...



I don't know what is this apocalyptic fuss about Apple trying to make things difficult to the consumer.... but Windows 7 has been working "flawlessly" (as flawlessly as a Microsoft OS can be) since august... the only problem was that Windows 7 didn't get the scroll and right click gestures from my MacBook's, and this was solved in an Boot Camp update months ago.

Let me be even more clear. If I install the Windows drivers from my Leopard DVD, both my keyboard and mouse become disabled. Some of the drivers will not install unless you install the whole thing. And I can't install the whole thing. That is why the clock is wrong. If I install the whole thing, the bluetooth drivers also get installed. What part of booting into Windows and not having access to it, is so confusing? I can't afford to waste money. I have tried Windows with VirtualBox and many things don't work or work poorly. My iMac came with 10.4.11. The system discs are defective, so Apple Care sent me a full install of Leopard and iLife '08. My iMac came with a Leopard upgrade disc. Is part of my dilemma the fact that both of my Leopard DVDs are 10.5.0? Perhaps someone can make it a little more clear how I upgrade BootCamp???
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post #47 of 61
1/20/10 at 10:46am
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Originally Posted by bobcat22 View Post

Me too. I've had Win7 running fine with Snow Leopard and BootCamp for a few months now. (and as a VM using Fusion) I haven't looked at the installation process yet, but 'if it ain't broke'- is it worth doing this upgrade?

Is this the beta or a release version of 7. If the latter did M$ let you activate same version in Boot Camp and VMWare? Or are you accessing Bootcamp via Boot Camp but then I have the same question ... I want to run both be it Parallels 5 or VMWare 3 plus Boot Camp too (I use both) but refuse to by a license to run 7 on same Mac!
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post #48 of 61
1/20/10 at 10:49am
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Originally Posted by WPLJ42 View Post

Let me be even more clear. If I install the Windows drivers from my Leopard DVD, both my keyboard and mouse become disabled. Some of the drivers will not install unless you install the whole thing. And I can't install the whole thing. That is why the clock is wrong. If I install the whole thing, the bluetooth drivers also get installed. What part of booting into Windows and not having access to it, is so confusing? I can't afford to waste money. I have tried Windows with VirtualBox and many things don't work or work poorly. My iMac came with 10.4.11. The system discs are defective, so Apple Care sent me a full install of Leopard and iLife '08. My iMac came with a Leopard upgrade disc. Is part of my dilemma the fact that both of my Leopard DVDs are 10.5.0? Perhaps someone can make it a little more clear how I upgrade BootCamp???

Sounds like you're just using bluetooth via EFI for your mouse and keyboard. Basically without OS drivers. If you're planning on using a wireless keyboard with Windows, you really need a wired keyboard to get everything paired and set up.

Once you have the drivers installed, your keyboard and mouse should work just fine. You're still ignoring the fact that Windows 7 is not supported by Apple under Leopard (10.5). To expect it to work perfectly is silly.
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post #49 of 61
1/20/10 at 11:40am
I will ask the question again. If I install an OEM version of Vista Home Basic, will it work without issues? Will I still need a wired keyboard and mouse, a waste of $100, to get all to work? As far as I can tell, Windows is sorta emulating my keyboard and mouse, thinking they are USB. If that is what you mean by EFI, then yes. Would it be so hard for Apple to make Windows 7 compatible with Leopard? It is just like Apple to mostly abandon the old OS for the new one. Apple Care flat out refused to get me replacement copies of my Tiger DVDs. I hate Apple for being in such complete control over every move the end user makes. Either do it Apple's way, or go someplace else. That is the root of my frustration/anger. Speech is a must have for me. Without it, I cannot effectively use my computer. I love the Alex voice in Leopard. Everything else about the OS and Apple, I could easily do without. Having to use a wired keyboard and mouse to get Windows to function correctly in BootCamp is even more silly than what I am wishing for.
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post #50 of 61
1/20/10 at 12:06pm
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Originally Posted by WPLJ42 View Post

I will ask the question again. If I install an OEM version of Vista Home Basic, will it work without issues? Will I still need a wired keyboard and mouse, a waste of $100, to get all to work? As far as I can tell, Windows is sorta emulating my keyboard and mouse, thinking they are USB. If that is what you mean by EFI, then yes. Would it be so hard for Apple to make Windows 7 compatible with Leopard? It is just like Apple to mostly abandon the old OS for the new one. Apple Care flat out refused to get me replacement copies of my Tiger DVDs. I hate Apple for being in such complete control over every move the end user makes. Either do it Apple's way, or go someplace else. That is the root of my frustration/anger. Speech is a must have for me. Without it, I cannot effectively use my computer. I love the Alex voice in Leopard. Everything else about the OS and Apple, I could easily do without. Having to use a wired keyboard and mouse to get Windows to function correctly in BootCamp is even more silly than what I am wishing for.

If you like Vista, then by all means install it. The Leopard disks you have plus the updates from Apple fully support Vista. If you want official Windows 7 support, you're going to have to upgrade to Snow Leopard for $29 bucks.
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post #51 of 61
1/20/10 at 1:10pm
Just Installed 3.1 update, and now have trackpad 2 finger scrolling, but WAY too sensitive, have no tapping abilities, and right click is apparent NO WHERE. Can't find any source of trackpad settings / options / nor a control panel. Am I missing something, or am I lucky the OS recognizes the trackpad what so ever.?

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post #52 of 61
1/20/10 at 3:28pm
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Just Installed 3.1 update, and now have trackpad 2 finger scrolling, but WAY too sensitive, have no tapping abilities, and right click is apparent NO WHERE. Can't find any source of trackpad settings / options / nor a control panel. Am I missing something, or am I lucky the OS recognizes the trackpad what so ever.?


The trackpad 'mouse wheel' scrolling issues has always been crappy on Windows. Someone may have some suggestions for you. You can always just go into device manager and revert the mouse driver to the previous version if you find you can't live with it.
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post #53 of 61
1/20/10 at 4:39pm
I got my i5 yesterday, and today used bootcamp to partion the disk. Then quit bootcamp, put in my windows 7 64bit ultimate install disk, and restarted holding option. Clicked windows disk and installed fine, my magic mouse and keyboard were even working over bluetooth (surprisingly). After it tried to boot up again i was left with a black screen...googled around and found out i had to delete the ATI drivers from windows using "repair windows" and the "command prompt" since for some reason it was acting like a monitor was connected, hence the black screen. Took 2 mins, and i restarted to windows perfectly. Installed bootcamp drivers and noticed mouse and keyboard would be dead after a few minutes..so updated to BC 3.1 and everythings flawless.
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post #54 of 61
1/20/10 at 6:28pm
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Originally Posted by xTxRxAxVxIxSx View Post

I'm still so confused by why they cut the support on the 2006 models.

I assume they just didn't want to go through the trouble of porting drivers over, but those people (myself included) with these '06 Macs really would have appreciated the effort of doing so.

That's not to say I won't do it - I already have, and everything works just fine - but I don't like "unsupported" things, hacks, etc. Granted, all Boot Camp really does is partition the hard drive - presumably any Intel-compatible OS could be installed on said partition, correct?

I suppose Apple is trying to slowly annoy people into upgrading to newer Macs by cutting support like this. Not a big fan of such malicious product-pushing techniques...

OK i have a 3 year old early 2006 unsupported 17" core duo ( not core2 duo ) iMac and i jst installed Windows 7 without any problems and i even just upgraded to the latest boot camp with the apple software update. I am happy but not sure why apple say it is not supported !

I followed the instructions here to get around the FAT32 issue ...

http://www.simplehelp.net/2009/01/15...e-walkthrough/

I did have one slight issue...

When i inserted my SNow Leopard install disc it wanted run the wrong program! Instead of running the bootcamp setp.exe it wanted to run the macbook air virtual cd thingy , so i just used windows explorer to examine the contents of the disc and opened the boot camp folder and ran the setup.exe from there !

Everything is working great except switching from Win7 to mac or vice versa is setting my time incorrectly so i am off to try this fix ...

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthre...59#post3807859

HackDaBox !
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post #55 of 61
1/20/10 at 6:44pm
Seems to be fine on Windows 7 X64 (iMac 27/i7).

Nothing exciting to report although I'm not using my Magic Mouse. Mouse wheel is actually scrolling just fine and it didn't affect my Logitech bluetooth mouse adversely at all. It also didn't cause any problems with my Mac bluetooth keyboard.
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post #56 of 61
1/21/10 at 8:09am
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Is this the beta or a release version of 7. If the latter did M$ let you activate same version in Boot Camp and VMWare? Or are you accessing Bootcamp via Boot Camp but then I have the same question ... I want to run both be it Parallels 5 or VMWare 3 plus Boot Camp too (I use both) but refuse to by a license to run 7 on same Mac!

It's a retail version of Win 7 32bit and I used these steps for the install. It worked perfectly although the trackpad is pretty twitchy.

MacBook Pro 17 3.06 VM fusion 3.0
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post #57 of 61
1/21/10 at 11:06am
2.53 MBP with Win 7 installed previously on Bootcamp 3.0 (running fine). Just downloaded the 3.1 update from the link and ran it without anything else. Installed perfectly. In fact, ran that MS system test thing and graphics and 3d graphics went from 5.3/5.9 to both 6.5 (previously installed the latest drivers from NVidia). Nice improvement.
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post #58 of 61
1/23/10 at 5:28am
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Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post

First off, welcome to the boards.





WTF???

Where is the easy of use we come to expect from Apple? Why do people have to pay double? Vista and Win7?

Is this just a attempt to make it hard for people to install/upgrade/update their Windows partition?

Is Apple finally realizing their mistake allowing Windows on the Mac hardware and now trying to drive them off?


I expected something like this from Apple, thus I went the VMFusion route, so much easier to revert to the very first install configuration and update from there. Necessary for Windows.

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How was that ever a mistake?

Like Quadra is saying, it is not a mistake. It's a huge advantage for Mac users. Keyword being MAC users. As in, you have to buy a MAC, before you can Boot Camp your way to a second OS partition. This is for people who need Windows and want it to run naturally, not through some ham-handed virtual terminal, and people who love computers who want to dick around.

There is no threat to anything anywhere by enabling this. Maybe it took Apple a little longer to support Windows 7 because of Windows 7?

I dunno, my iMac has loved Snow Leopard and Windows 7 since August. No problems.

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Not me. I think you have to run the update from *within* Windows 7 in BootCamp.

This.
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post #59 of 61
1/23/10 at 5:30am
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Originally Posted by DeMarc View Post

2.53 MBP with Win 7 installed previously on Bootcamp 3.0 (running fine). Just downloaded the 3.1 update from the link and ran it without anything else. Installed perfectly. In fact, ran that MS system test thing and graphics and 3d graphics went from 5.3/5.9 to both 6.5 (previously installed the latest drivers from NVidia). Nice improvement.

Now THAT is a nice improvement to get through an update. Wonder if my ATI2600 will be improved...

Honestly I think my iMac's graphics card already performs better under Win7 than OSX....
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post #60 of 61
1/23/10 at 5:31am
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Originally Posted by nli10 View Post

While I have a lot of Windows 7 on a mac people in one place can I just ask what sound drivers people recommend?

I got the real audio HD ones that people recommended around launch but it still sounds like my W7 iMac is in a cupboard compared to the same tracks on the OSX iMac side of the computer. Identical hardware should not sound this different!!

Honestly I just Googled it, downloaded the first thing I found that looked right, and it works fine.
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post #61 of 61
1/23/10 at 5:37am
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Originally Posted by pmz View Post

Now THAT is a nice improvement to get through an update. Wonder if my ATI2600 will be improved...

Mine didn't change at all. 7.5 before the update, and 7.5 after

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Honestly I just Googled it, downloaded the first thing I found that looked right, and it works fine.

Why not use the boot camp drivers? They seem to work without issue.
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