Apple, Microsoft in talks to make Bing default iPhone search - report - Page 2

Repeat to infinity and beyond. Just say no to Bing.

I don't care what other search engine Apple finds. Just say no to Bing or anything else Microsoft wants to call ANY of their products.

Do you really want to start pushing those of us who don't like Microsoft to other devices? I don't care if I have a choice to choose something else after Bing is pushed on me. My AT&T contract is up soon and I will have a choice of any phone. I'm not THAT enamored with the iPhone.

If there is a choice between an iPhone with Bing as the default search engine and another phone, and THERE IS A CHOICE, I will NOT be buying another iPhone.

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The entire "story" about "this and that" concerning Apple and Google ?

Seems like a smoke screen to me - has all along

Probably designed by Apple/Google to slow down FCC/FTC/etc - and confuse Microsoft

And any "talks" between Apple/Microsoft about Bing ?

Probably Apple's way of getting insider info on Redmond's plans

Like a payback for "things" that happened 25 odd years ago, dig ?

(smile)

BC

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No way in hell I'm going to allow such an inferior piece-o-crap sit on my iPhone. Apple don't do this. You won't be any better than Verizon and RIM if you do. Just because the rest of the country is going socialist, doesn't mean you have you jump on the bandwagon.

Boy, Eric Schmidt must have really ticked Steve Jobs off. First he's kicked off the board, then Apple is looking into doing their own maps, and now this.

As far as Bing is concerned, my experience with Microsoft tells me the further away from their products I stay, the better off I am.

Adding the Bung search engine to our current options of Google and Yahoo is fine. Personally, I think Bung stinks and Yahoo's presentation is terrible. I'll stick with Google until Apple presents us with a compelling alternative.

Personally, I'm glad there will be more of a choice besides Google and Yahoo. What would be even nicer would be to "install" different search engines. Since pretty much all it would need would be a formatted URL. Sounds easy enough.

As for me, I would never choose Bing. I've tried it a few times, and the way that I search, Google returns the results I'm looking for within the first 3 links 95% of the time. Bing usually makes me click on two links to get to something relevant to what I was actually looking for. I understand that there are those Bing works better for, and am glad that there will be that choice. I just hope for more than just three with the ability to add your own, but that would be very un-Apple like.

Though, for your comment, the term "Cut off your nose in spite your face" comes to mind. Yes, Bing may be shipped as the default. You can easily change it to Google or Yahoo. Much like IE in windows, or Google in Chrome. First thing I do with any web browser on any OS is change its default search provider to the one I like the most.

No please no!
Anything but Bing!

I promise I'll be good! But please don't force Bing on me!

I think this is a bad move. It's sort of ironic, really. Apple's brand is typically underestimated and misunderstood by competitors. Their competition has been trying to out-Mac them for a decade. We all know the story...Apple innovates, other's imitate. Sometimes the imitation is even better than the Apple product in some ways...but it never can gain ground.

The iPhone is the perfect example. Various companies make great phones--some with better features than the iPhone. The Nexus might even be a better piece of hardware, overall. But, the iPhone is more than the sum of its parts, as most Apple products seem to be.

But here, we have something has never faced before: A brand that is even stronger than theirs! This has never happened before. They've had competitors with deep pockets, large market share, etc. But they've always found way to carve out their market, get a foothold, and begin to "win." Taking on Google is a lot different. The Google Search is the Apple of search engines. Google has become a verb to almost any internet savvy person. It's ubiquitous.

http://www.businessinsider.com/bing-...ecember-2010-1

According to that link, Google has a 65% share. I've seen estimates as high as 90%, though. Either way, Google has nearly 3/4 of the market. I think Apple may be making a huge mistake taking on the global phenomenon that is Google. Not even Apple, with its undisputed brand loyalty and cult-like following, will be be able to out-Google them.

I've never really used Bing myself - other than a quick test - and stick with Google for searches. I would just as soon see Microsoft collapse into the low-margin end of the software business and leave innovation and standards-setting to others. Having said that, I offer three articles about Bing, good and bad:

Microsoft to delete Bing users' IP addresses after 6 months

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/new...ch-records.ars

By comparison, Google retains its IP data for 9 months. Ideally, those figures should be 0 months.

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Bing's indexing is far behind Google's

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/new...w-indexing.ars

Worse still, its crawler bot acts like a Denial Of Service attack:

http://blogs.perl.org/users/cpan_tes...-must-die.html


The only good thing I can say about Bing is, as an underdog, it will keep Google on its toes. (Should Bing become the dominant search engine, I fully expect Microsoft to resume their usual thuggish behavior and use it to manipulate the rest of the computing world like they did when IE was the dominant browser.) Yahoo is really in no position to challenge Google, and the 'Do No Evil' claim is starting to sound hollow.

Drop Google for Bing?

The old phrase about cutting off your nose to spite your face comes to mind.

I had high hopes for Bing. Catchy name, nice new web site, and the new features sounded great. Then I started using it and wasn't finding the results I needed as with Google so I switched back to Google as my default for Windows 7 IE8.

Maybe they'll improve and maybe I'll switch back. Safari should allow you to switch search providers (I haven't looked on whether you can do it or not so correct me if I'm wrong), so if you want Bing then you can default to it.

When it comes to choose b/w Google and MS, Apple would go for Google. Any day.

Apple please listen to your users on this one.

We really don't want Bing! Google have become the primary search engine for a reason... it's good! Just because they have cornered the market in online advertising that doesn't mean Mac and iPhone users should be moved away by default out of spite.

Of course it does!

The deal signed between Yahoo and Microsoft last year will see Yahoo's own search engine taken over and replaced by Bing. There soon won't be a Yahoo search engine.

I think it is more likely that Apple would just be adding Bing to the (short) list of search engines available to Safari.

Microsoft will never do anything good for Apple. Yes, Bing can be added as an option, but never as an only option. Microsoft sucks at everything. I never use anything they make because they all suck!

What the f* is wrong with these people at Apple?

That is all I got out of it. I dont think Bing would even be the default search engine yet people are posting that Apple sucks and theyll buy an Android phone or boycott the company, etc.

They probably got that idea from the title of the article?

"Apple, Microsoft in talks to make Bing default iPhone search - report"

It didn't say anything about removing google as an option, and I don't think they would go so far as that given the bad blood between Mac users and Widows users, but they could definitely be talking about changing the default.

As long as I can turn Bing off, I don't see this as an issue.

This is just a rumor, why get so upset about it already? For all we know, some jerk is just making stuff up.


I agree, there's no point in getting excited or invested into it, most rumors turn out to be off base at best.

The things companies will do for money.

I can't believe this is true. Microsoft and Apple in bed together.

The shame!!

It's the details of the report that is important, particularly the lack of details, they don't name sources. We hope that the BusinessWeek publication properly vets their sources, but we don't know. Even reputable publications have made serious mistakes in this regard.

Once?? Have you been on Mars or something.

its clearly a rumor and this is ad-supported site so I dont expect anything less than sensationalist headlines when it comes to rumours. They have some of the best in-depth technical and financial news, which is likely why they have the best forum posters, that I dont care about the money generating headlines.

I guess what Im saying is that I wish more posters would try to digest the data a little more before reacting.

Agreed, there were a few 'alleged' and 'unamed' remarks in there, but I suspect there is more than a grain of truth in there. They also mentioned two separate sources 'familiar' with the talks.

From a business perspective, if Apple adds Bung to it's search providers, and MS pays them to do so, then it's a good move for Apple. Of course the bad side is that it's an MS product, which leaves a bad taste in the mouth of many a Mac user.

In the end, I'll simply turn it off, Apple will make money, and MS will still be playing catchup to everyone else.

Get ready for Google Maps to disappear from your iPhone in the next OS update.

I'm pretty certain that Apple is ready to stand up to Google in a more potent way. They have a lot up their sleeve, the main goal being work with all, rely on no one. Removing Google Maps from the Maps app, and changing the default search in Safari (which can easily be changed back by anyone and everyone) would be a smart step in that direction, IMO.

I'm not moved one way or the other by this article to think Bing would be the Default replacement, but I'm 100% confident that the next update to the iPhone will include a revised Maps app that ditches Google entirely and is instead powered by "iGuide" Apple's new iPhone/Tablet navigation/Maps system, using either pre-loaded or Apple Cloud Maps.

Pray tell how you work that one out?

Best link baiting article ever!!

I think Google has a lot more to lose if they challenge Apple. But seriously all this speculation is just a nonsense. Google is simply trying to get a foothold in the mobile market. A market that Apple has helped stimulate.

You know the thing that really intrigues me is what Google actually know about Apple. I can't believe Eric Schmidt didn't eaves drop or get a few whispers about future Apple strategy. Hence the parting of the ways.

Would you agree that watching what Google are doing now tells us a lot about what they already know about Apple?

Now that's worth speculating on.

I think going to war against google is a huge mistake. There are a ton of apps and services I use from google. I love gmail and I like their maps, their cloud services and of course search.

Here is what Apple has to understand: I AM AN APPLE USER BECAUSE APPLE PRODUCTS ARE BETTER!! It has nothing to do with brand loyalty - or rather, I'm loyal to the concept of excellence, and Apple has always stood for that.

HOWEVER THE DEAL IS OFF IF APPLE START PUSHING INFERIOR SOLUTIONS!!!

Bing is worse than Google for search - I WILL NOT USE IT. Apple is on notice: I will drop your products if they become inferior!!!

And if Apple wants to drop google maps - fine... AS LONG AS THEY OFFER SOMETHING SUPERIOR! If they drop it merely to go to war with google - FAIL!!

And we know Apple doesn't get everything right - anyone remember the .mac debacle? Gmail OWNED .mac, and there's a lesson there - I hope Apple maps don't transpire to be the .mac compared to google maps!!!

This Bing sh|t is bad news if true - NEVER GO WITH INFERIOR SOLUTIONS!! That's not why we are Apple users!! (well, except for the fanbois).

Apple is playing with fire.

This is a real untouched screenshot from my iPhone 3GS.

Odd, because I get results from my PC.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=sydney+australia

I'm sure it was more of an App error than a hole in the database.

Rubbish. Google more powerful than Apple...in what? 'Search engines?' AND..?

Google is one giant balloon and Apple are in a class of their own.

Google's stuff looks like it's made by nerdy, number crunching 'mee too' accountants. They're the M$ of internet/mobile computing. They are flat out awful.

I don't associate the word 'class' and Google in the same breath. I don't use their free crap web software of their crap mail service.

If Apple makes a search engine, even a semi-decent one? I go there. Straight away. Google have moved on Apple's turf in true turn coat style. Good luck to them.

Are Google ahead in OS? Computers? App store? Phones? Mp3 players? Digital stores? 'Coolness'?

I can't wait until Apple opens their data centre. If they do a Search Engine and can take 50 million Mac users with them...plus the pending 12-16 million more in Macs sales pending as from this year on...plus all the neary 100 million 'touch' users.

That's alot of search add revenue. Within Apple's eco system? Google are nearly irrelevant. I use Google for search. If they keep on with audacious move on Apple I'll stop using their search engine. Then what they going to do?

Google more powerful than Apple? Give me a break. Google sold what? 20 thousand phones, mere rebranded phones at that...and that's supposed to make them more powerful?

Do they have state of the art network of nearly 300 Apple stores that completely re-invented how we sell computers?

Innovation and Google? Where?

I'd happily use Bing if it meant a bridge to getting an Apple search engine ready and as a way of slowing Google down.

Lemon Bon Bon.

That's strange:-




Apple should use some leverage here.

Bing on the iPhone = Office on the iPhone.

No Office = no Bing.

Would Google really care..?

They have desktop search sorted anyway, plus Android market. If Apple turns to Bing, it will actually leave Android platform with far superior search engine, which might bring Google (and Android platform) more bonuses than keeping iPhone with Google search.

Additionally... what if Windows Mobile 7 turns out to be good and start gaining back market share to WinMo? Where does iPhone goes then - Yahoo!?

Bing is years behind Google, there maps are inferior except for the Birds Eye feature and they had to partner with Wolfram-Alpha as a marketing gimmick because there search results aren't equal to Google and probably never will be. There is a separate app for WA anyway and it is superior since results don't get mixed up. No to BING and frankly we shouldn't cheapen the device to adding any inferior features to it like CDMA (blechhh is all I have to say).

You are wise Dlux.

Nothing is free and the more "free" it seems the deeper the true costs are hidden.

I don't think the future will be built on subscriptions, though. These are onerous with cell phones and cable companies and will be difficult to reproduce in the search wifi world. But maybe siloing will happen where mobile devices, access and search features are all bundled in a cohesive whole and you end up having to choose the Google/Sprint/Ad? universe or the Apple/AT&T/Quanta Universe or the Verizon/MS/Bing universe. Three separate groups that coexist and cross communicate via cloud to cloud, but who subsidize within themselves.

It seems dumb and the above examples are only suggestions, but in some weird way this is what Apple has been trying to create ... a monolith of h/w, s/w, content and services in beautiful packages. It has leveraged Google and others as needed, but it keeps proving that being overly open to the all you can eat buffet model of MS has proven unwieldy.

I kind of hope this does not occur and that we can continue as is with Apple fighting from the forest fringes and building on victories like Robin Hood as MS keeps retreating to its castle and Google flies around on chaotic dragons, but balkanization often follows globalization and it might happen here.

If you look at the icon in the search bar of clctpa's post, it looks like clctpa is trying to look up location-based services for Sydney on a map, which I think Google does supply for Sydney. So, not same search, we'll have to wait and get a reply to see what was desired.


I don't see how paid search is a solution, other than a solution for people with the problem of too much money on their hands. Ads aren't the only concern, ads are pretty easy to ignore on search results. The other concern is privacy, and I don't think a paid service will do anything about privacy, because they'll still know everything you do in your interaction with them.


How many want Office on the iPhone?