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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

I think dedicated eInk readers are going to parish this year but I don’t agree that he should have changed the pricing earlier. I don’t think it would matter (they’ll need to have a more fulfilling product) and companies should price their products to what the market will bear.

Plus, Amazon has to pay Sprint, AT&T and others for access to their networks. I have no idea how they are charged but they have to include the 3G radios in the price of the device and pay for the data transfer in some fashion so it does makes sense that the cost for buying books cost Amazon more per MB than the zero cost Apple pays when you use your private provider. (When Apple added iTunes and App Stores to the phone this may have changed).

I really hope that 3G radios are included in Apple’s tablet.

It's worse than that. Amazon wanted it both ways: make money on the readers, make money on the content. That made sure the market was limited and folks that got the shaft were content providers.

Now there's another source that can kick their butts in terms of market penetration and hardware design, makes their money on hardware and commoditizes content (or at least access to content). It's a bit late to try to keep your content providers by matching their price when Apple is likely to sell more devices on launch week than you have as an installed base.

What Amazon should have done was sell the Kindle for cheap. That way, at least the high split could have been justified: we're building you a market and taking it in the shorts to sell kindles at a loss. When we have a huge market we can go to a more favorable split and we all make huge money.

Now the moment has been lost, their initial splash is gone and Apple is likely to clean their clocks...to the point where they may lose control over the one thing they REALLY gave a shit about: premier gateway for electronic books and media.
post #42 of 61
The tablet and iTunes store are the first step towards doing to publishers of all flavours, what Apple has already done to the music industry. In ten years, there will be thousands of indie musicians and writers (of books and articles) on iTunes for consumption on i-Pod/Phone/Tablet.
Producing an eBook is easy. Hundreds already make a living, even on Amazon, selling their own work in this format. Apple will provide copy protection or limit distribution as it does with apps.
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post #43 of 61
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

Jeff Bozos is pretty much Hitler, is what I'm saying.

Godwins Law so early in the thread?

Anyone want to grab the subtitle-free, internet meme of the Hitler bunker scene from Downfall (2004) and make it about Jeff Bezos and the fall of the Kindle?
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Can't be absolutely zero, Apple does have to serve the file. Cheap but not free.

I meant that Apples cost is tied to the content they sell but not internet connection on your end, while the Kindle store has to include the cost of transmission on both ends since they pay for the internet access to the store for each device.


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It's worse than that. Amazon wanted it both ways: make money on the readers, make money on the content. That made sure the market was limited and folks that got the shaft were content providers.

I always thought that would be a problem.
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post #44 of 61
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

Makes sense actually. The big authors probably have publishing contracts though.

Their contracts probably tie them to one publisher or another, but probably won't forbid them from writing independently, especially when they won't need the publishers anymore.

Although of course it will take some time until they feel they don't need the revenue from printed books anymore...

Rush, Apple!
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post #45 of 61
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Why not? Isn't that a bit totalitarian of you? what are you some kind of dictator?

Sarcasm I think should have some bit of humor. Bringing those references into the dialog negates any possibility of civil humor.

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post #46 of 61
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

Maybe you phrased this poorly, but it makes no sense to me.

Any author can write an e-book in the sense that an e-book is hardly different from a PDF. Apple doesn't even need to make special book creating software. Use pages, start typing, when you are finished your novel, select "export to PDF." Voila, e-book.

e-books are only "formats" because each one of them strives to be proprietary and most want to use DRM. A simple PDF (or a zipped PDF), is within a hair's breadth of every e-book and e-comic out there. Just under the surface, they are PDFs and text files, sometimes zipped, sometimes with DRM locks.

I'm not expecting Apple to do it because they are in bed with the content providers, (music industry, publishing industry etc.), but they could easily allow individuals to sign up as publishers and sell e-books through iTunes in the exact same way as developers now sell their apps.

What do I do after I export to PDF? I can reach a publisher or I can create an iPhone app with my PDF inside. With the first, I give money to an intermediary, that's whaMct I'm trying to avoid; with the later, it will hardly be found because the AppStore is not a bookstore and people looking for books don't go there. Also, it is still a poor PDF, no videos included, interactivity, updateability etc. That's where Apple could add value over our current options.

Finally, I don't see how Apple could profit more by giving 70% to the publishers instead of giving it to the authors directly. I'm not talking about NYT, ABC, Warner publishers, as these are the big-time content providers, and they can keep having their hosts of journalists, bloggers, artists etc and feeding the Apple BookStore if they wish. I'm talking about McGraw-Hill, HarperCollins, Pearson etc.
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post #47 of 61
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References to Hitler and Fascism should not be used in sarcasm.

For some reason I find that charmingly loopy.

At any rate, you may have missed the ambient chatter as to how Jobs is not unlike Stalin, App Store policies are identical to those of a totalitarian state, and the relentless control of Apple in general is reminiscent of Nazi Germany.
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post #48 of 61
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It would be like trying to get a deal from any dead person.

Interesting. So you're saying that Hitler's deadness trumps Hitler's evil? I disagree! For no earthly reason other than there's a literal-minded streak in this thread that makes me laugh!

Say more about dead Hitler's powers of negotiation.
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post #49 of 61
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

Dear mstone, we have detected a malfunction in your sarcasm meters-- please power down the unit for at least 30 seconds and reboot your computer.

sarcasm and/or jokes that include any-hitleresq references usually don't fly all too well***


*** History of the World Part I (specifically the teaser for a nonexistent HotW Part 2) is of course the exception that proves the rule...
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sarcasm and/or jokes that include any-hitleresq references usually don't fly all too well***


*** History of the World Part I (specifically the teaser for a nonexistent HotW Part 2) is of course the exception that proves the rule...

However: (takes off hilarious hat, puts on slightly less hilarious cultural critic hat)

The fact is that the putting forth of ludicrous Hitler equivalencies have become a staple of politics and the internet-- to the point that we even have Goodwin's "Law" to address the topic.

Thus, it's possible to sarcastically reference Hitler references without getting anywhere near Htiler per se. Unless you can show me where Hitler has been formally quarantined so the very utterance of his name, outside of pro forma denunciations, are taboo, I'm afraid you're going to have to give me license to mock the penchant to escalate to Hitler at the drop of a hat.

Unless, of course, there's some bizarre metric at work that claims that declaring a relatively benign thing "Hitleresque" in earnest (see also the entire American political right) gets a pass, while making light of that very tendency triggers the Hitler trip wire? Which would be insane. Say, why am I having to explain this?
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post #51 of 61
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For some reason I find that charmingly loopy.

At any rate, you may have missed the ambient chatter as to how Jobs is not unlike Stalin, App Store policies are identical to those of a totalitarian state, and the relentless control of Apple in general is reminiscent of Nazi Germany.


Very well. Let this be the definition of your thinking on this matter.

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post #52 of 61
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Very well. Let this be the definition of your thinking on this matter.

Which, that the Hitler no-fly zone is sort of funny or that there is demonstrably a great deal of specious Hitlerizing about?
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post #53 of 61
Ignoring all the Godwin's Law crap...

For everyone who thought that Amazon adopting the Apple pricing model was coincidence:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.htm...cId=1000476231

Someone tell Bezos that rumbling sound is an Apple freight train headed in his direction!

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post #54 of 61
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.htm...cId=1000476231

Someone tell Bezos that rumbling sound is an Apple freight train headed in his direction!

Next step, announce a colour Kindle with video. I think theyll be forced to go with Pixel Qi thinking that best of both worlds will make the device awesome.
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post #55 of 61
Sounds like Amazon believes all the iPalette rumours.
Amazon is scared.
And so were the record companies when they allowed Amazon to sell DRM-free songs prior to Apple being able to do the same.
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post #56 of 61
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That sounds like chaos. It would be much better if the only place you could get content was from the App Store.

Well purchasing books only from the app store sounds like a totalitarian state to me. Imagine if you could only buy food from one grocer, or clothes from one store. Imagine a communist state.

In some ways competition is always courting a bit of chaos, I accept that, but to not have some choice over where things come from meets with a familiar problem: less choice and higher prices.
post #57 of 61
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

Despite e-ink being better with regards to your eyesight / eye-strain you are correct.

Get ready for an automatic "e-ink" setting integrated in the new Apple device.

.... also, get ready to eat your hat!

PS: By x-mas 90% of the Ebook readers will no longer be available, and those remaining will be 200.- or less, possibly free with a 2-year subscription plan to an ebook store.
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Well purchasing books only from the app store sounds like a totalitarian state to me. Imagine if you could only buy food from one grocer, or clothes from one store. Imagine a communist state.

But for books and ebooks today, isn't that "totalitarian state" Amazon.com?

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post #59 of 61
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But for books and ebooks today, isn't that "totalitarian state" Amazon.com?

Well amongst my circles almost no-one I know buys from Amazon.com, so clearly other choices are being made. The argument remains that having a variety of vendors is key here, as evidenced by Amazon's very reaction to the expectation of more competition.
post #60 of 61
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But for books and ebooks today, isn't that "totalitarian state" Amazon.com?

It certainly seems that way to me at times.
However I buy from B&N or Borders primarily, because I like their sites better amongst other reasons.
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post #61 of 61
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Go back to your café where you can eat a croissant and some French fries closely followed by a Saturday matinée. And then we can bitch about how we've nothing in common with the French.

Just as above, I see no partnership coming.

Wow, guess you can eat that $hit huh? Oh that's right, cafe side we don't know anything. Piss off.
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