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Apple is still ironing out last-minute details with both Verizon and AT&T about supporting its forthcoming tablet, and may offer two different versions designed specifically for each carrier.

With less than a week remaining before Apple's January 27 event, a report has surfaced claiming that Apple is still in the process of negotiating carrier details with rivals AT&T and Verizon over support for its much-rumored tablet device.

Complicating matters, AT&T and Verizon use differing networks to communicate - AT&T uses the GSM network while Verizon utilizes CDMA. According to Clayton Morris at Fox News, Apple plans on offering two versions of the device, each made to run on one of the network standards.

"According to a source at Verizon, Apple has been in talks with 'the big red map' to offer the tablet on its robust CDMA network. Additionally Verizon is in talks with Apple to bring the iPhone to its network by late spring or early summer, but specifics haven't yet been finalized," Morris writes.

"The company's version of the tablet will feature built-in Wi-Fi utilizing Verizon's hotspots for free data; the device will switch onto the 3G cellular network when it's away from a hotspot.Â*This makes it easy and safe to connect to trusted Wi-Fi servers, and you'll get a line-item for that data service on your cell bill.Â*Basically you won't need a home data modem service anymore," continues Morris.

In a report by AppleInsider earlier Thursday, it was noted that other people with proven track records in predicting Apple's future product designs have recently commented on prototypes of the Apple tablet making the rounds with a baseband chip compatible with CDMA networks like those operated by U.S.-based Verzion Wireless. However, AppleInsider cannot confirm with any degree of certainty that this technology is planned for the shipping version of the product.

Apple has also been reportedly in "secret" last-minute talks with the six largest trade publishers in the U.S. The talks are currently underway in New York. A deal may not be able to be reached in time for the unveiling, something that Morris says could also be the case with Apple's talks with AT&T and Verizon.
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I look forward to having Apple devices (iPhone, Tablet) on the Verizon Wireless network. AT&T is unable to deliver on its promises ... iPhone tethering surely comes to mind.

I doubt that Apple would have a Tablet device that would work on both networks.
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Please, Apple, have a communication chip inside it so it will work with either AT&T or Verizon, without the need to buy a carrier specific model of the tablet.
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"The company's version of the tablet will feature built-in Wi-Fi utilizing Verizon's hotspots for free data; the device will switch onto the 3G cellular network when it's away from a hotspot.*This makes it easy and safe to connect to trusted Wi-Fi servers, and you'll get a line-item for that data service on your cell bill.*Basically you won't need a home data modem service anymore," continues Morris.


This can't be good.

Things that are free tend not to stay that way, just long enough to corner the market.

And people are not going to go for a second cell phone bill in addition to their iPhone.

So I suspect this is a bigger iPhone and a much bigger iPod Touch/iSlate.
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Basically you won't need a home data modem service anymore," continues Morris.

Please clarify.
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I look forward to having Apple devices (iPhone, Tablet) on the Verizon Wireless network. AT&T is unable to deliver on its promises ... iPhone tethering surely comes to mind.

How soon would one guess if/when the iPhone is available to Verizon, will Verizon offer tethering? \

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Please clarify.

I assume the guy thinks I would drop my 120 Mbit/s cable modem, once I can receive crappy latent 3G (as long as I stay close enough to a window)... Sounds like a plan
post #8 of 99
If there IS a AT&T version, I cringe at how much worse my iphone experience will be with the added demands on the network.
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Verizon covers 85% of the USA with 3G towers.
AT&T covers 17% of the country.
(Yes... 5 *TIMES* difference.)

Gee... I wonder if Apple will sell more Verizon-Tablets... or AT&T-Tablets.
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post #11 of 99
3G to tablet ... that's awesome ... yet, wouldn't that overload the networks more ?
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Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post

This can't be good.

Things that are free tend not to stay that way, just long enough to corner the market.

And people are not going to go for a second cell phone bill in addition to their iPhone.

So I suspect this is a bigger iPhone and a much bigger iPod Touch/iSlate.

Very good points.
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Verizon covers 85% of the USA with 3G towers.
AT&T covers 17% of the country.
(Yes... 5 *TIMES* difference.)

Gee... I wonder if Apple will sell more Verizon-Tablets... or AT&T-Tablets.

Tower coverage cant be used to determine the nationwide sales. If it could then AT&T wouldnt be close to Verizon in subs. I have excellent access to AT&T towers with speeds that Verizon cant match and without usage capping so Ill be sticking with a 3GSM carrier. Plus, I wont be able to use it when not in the US.
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post #14 of 99
Yeah, I really doubt the 3G modem will be included at all. Because it's such a data hog, plans would have to be prohibitively expensive for the carriers to seemingly justify the expense of the device on their network. But somehow Europe's providers can manage in Europe to cover the continent for $20 a month, plus give you landline internet. I call shenanigans on the telcos, but the FCC got its kness cut, so I guess the market is unregulated? Sounds like a plan to start ripping people off...
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Please clarify.

I'm wondering the same. If this is an actual computer then it makes sense. From all reports, this still needs to be synced to a Mac which will need a wi-fi connection. I don't get that.
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I am still skeptical about Verizon being part of the deal off-the-bat. Maybe in 2011, but not right away. There are still too many issues: the App Store (Verizon's versus Apple's), the bad blood (put-down Droid ads, sophomoric 'beauty-queen' swipes, etc), CDMA being (largely) US-only etc.

On top of that, I'll bet Apple is probably not looking to sell more than a couple of million of these in the first year (supply lock-ins), a feat they can quite easily achieve with just ATT.

ATT has to be improving its network as we speak (and they have another few months to invest further), and I suspect tethering plans will be announced by ATT for both the Mac Touch/iSlate and the iPhone when Jobs takes the stage next week. In addition, I suspect that there will be one voice/data plan covering both products.
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seriously. i don't think verizon will allow to do anything like tethering.. you ever see their phone. a lot of phone can't use bluetooth send out pic or whatever. it restrict everything to their paid service. GSM carrier mostly open more option to customer than CDMA carrier
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Very good points.

He concludes that they must be large phones and iPods because an option for cellular data is rumoured. How are those good points?

They sell netbooks with 3G cards built in and they sell 3G USB and 3G EC/34 cards for PCs. All those customers likely have a phone, too.

This device needs to have offer BOTH options to work as not everyone will be happy with just WiFi connectivity and users like me wont be interested if there isnt an option for cellular data access.

This will not simply be a larger phone or iPod. That makes no sense.
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I'm wondering the same. If this is an actual computer then it makes sense. From all reports, this still needs to be synced to a Mac which will need a wi-fi connection. I don't get that.

It will be an actual computer but I cant see it running a desktop OS. It seems like it will be an accessory device to your PC, not a device to replace your PC.
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post #20 of 99
The reporter's source is either confused or flat wrong. I say "confused," if he's getting the tablet and iPhone mixed up. It's one thing to release a cell phone for the CDMA network.

It's quite another thing to release 2 separate tablet computers. Why would I, the consumer, spend $600 - $999 for a tablet that prevents me from switching networks in the future? A tablet isn't meant to be somewhat "disposable" (replaceable?) like a phone.

Essentially, you'll have to choose between AT&T and Verizon at the time of purchase. Right now that seems like an easy decision, but what if ATT offers superior (or cheaper) service in a year to stay competitive?
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Originally Posted by TammyT View Post

Verizon covers 85% of the USA with 3G towers.
AT&T covers 17% of the country.
(Yes... 5 *TIMES* difference.)

Gee... I wonder if Apple will sell more Verizon-Tablets... or AT&T-Tablets.

ATT's 3G covers 97% of the population....who cares if they don't cover some remote mountain out west.

With ATT, you get access to over 20,000 free wifi hotspots, faster 3G, and a plan to make it even faster before 4G takes root.
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Yeah, I really doubt the 3G modem will be included at all. Because it's such a data hog, plans would have to be prohibitively expensive for the carriers to seemingly justify the expense of the device on their network. But somehow Europe's providers can manage in Europe to cover the continent for $20 a month, plus give you landline internet. I call shenanigans on the telcos, but the FCC got its kness cut, so I guess the market is unregulated? Sounds like a plan to start ripping people off...

Are you sure about that $20/month??? I don't see how an outfit like Orange can stay in business.

http://shop.orange.co.uk/mobile-phon...bestfortexting
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Whatever happened to Verizon's any device any app policy? Seems like if Apple made a cdma phone Verizon would be in a tricky position when it came to crippling it.

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Dubbed "Any Apps, Any Device," the move will reportedly let any cellphone, computer, or similar device that meets a certain minimum technical threshold run on the carrier's network and use its services. Those devices will be able to use any software a user demands rather than what Verizon dictates for its own handsets.

From: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles..._flagship.html
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post #24 of 99
...why would I buy the Verizon-CDMA one that only works in the US?
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...why would I buy the Verizon-CDMA one that only works in the US?

Plenty of United States citizens never leave these shores !
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....who cares if they don't cover some remote mountain out west.

Folks who like to travel out west.
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...why would I buy the Verizon-CDMA one that only works in the US?

Dunno about you. But most folks who live in the US spend 99%+ of their time here.
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Verizon covers 85% of the USA with 3G towers.
AT&T covers 17% of the country.
(Yes... 5 *TIMES* difference.)

Gee... I wonder if Apple will sell more Verizon-Tablets... or AT&T-Tablets.

And just where did you come up with these statistics? By watching Verizon commercials?
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Please, Apple, have a communication chip inside it so it will work with either AT&T or Verizon, without the need to buy a carrier specific model of the tablet.

honestly I expect that this would be the case. there's likely plenty of room for two chips (since there isn't one for both systems in existence right now).

the real question is exclusive contracts (hope not since ATT sucks and I'd rather stick with T-Mobile which is tons better in my area). and optional (I hope so cause I'd like the choice to go wifi only and save $400 a year)

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Yeah, I really doubt the 3G modem will be included at all. Because it's such a data hog, plans would have to be prohibitively expensive for the carriers to seemingly justify the expense of the device on their network. But somehow Europe's providers can manage in Europe to cover the continent for $20 a month, plus give you landline internet. I call shenanigans on the telcos, but the FCC got its kness cut, so I guess the market is unregulated? Sounds like a plan to start ripping people off...

Interesting. I didn't realize that it was so cheap.

In other words you can use your iPhone you contracted in France and surf the net in Italy or any other country and it only costs $20 a month.

Wonder why they charge 60¢ a minute roaming from outside your country to another?

By the way, I think your information is totally out of wack. Could you give a link or two?
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Dunno about you. But most folks who live in the US spend 99%+ of their time here.

And for the 1% that they spend elsewhere, the data roaming charges are insane!
post #32 of 99
Besides WiFi, the Tablet will need 3G coverage. GSM/UMTS makes the most sense because of worldwide coverage. Verizon's CDMA is just niche coverage.

In terms of cost, ATT could bundle the Tablet with the iPhone for an incremental cost of say $10/mo. Use tiered data plans if needed initially. Those who opt out can just stay with WiFi.

I think that the CDMA tech is a dead end... no worldwide coverage and will be phased out. What would Apple go with a dead end tech? SJ does not have an history of going with dead end techs... he is the first to dump old techs.

The volume of the Tablet units will not be very hi. 1-2M/Q?
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Cool. As if it wasn't already like an iPhone with a bigger screen. I wonder if you can buy it without service (I don't want another hold the cell phone company has on me. If I'm at home, I can access everything I can with a data plan. I want and have a PHONE, not a PC.).
post #34 of 99
Crazy... CDMA was killed off here many years ago, I find it staggering that it even becomes an issue. It almost seems like like commercial suicide that they'll have to make a tablet/iphone just to suit the few networks that actually use CDMA tech still.
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Originally Posted by TammyT View Post

Verizon covers 85% of the USA with 3G towers.
AT&T covers 17% of the country.
(Yes... 5 *TIMES* difference.)

Gee... I wonder if Apple will sell more Verizon-Tablets... or AT&T-Tablets.

By area, not by population. Right?

So who cares if Verizon is covering the heck out of Death Valley?
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Folks who like to travel out west.

A small percentage of the whole... especially during travel. (That's what the iPhone's for. I'll whip it out while in transit far more readily than a tablet. I'll pull the tablet out at the hotel... where there's most likely AT&T 3G coverage.)
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We are stating that no matter what network these devises work on, They belong in the category "TABSLATE" "Tabslates" are handheld computers larger than an IPONE but smaller than a LAPTOP.
In this case apple will be introducing the "TABSLATE" that will definitely be the biggest winner in the computer information war. This is the unit that allows all of us to become the center of knowledge and have all information at our fingertips... This particular "TABSLATE" by Apple will probably be called IPAD and is expected to sell over 10 MILLION units in its FIRST YEAR! The tabslates are coming...The tabslates are coming and Boy OH BOY are the EVER!by the way Stewve, the domains tablate.com, mytabslate.com, and itabslate.com are available for a price....
post #38 of 99
I'm happy that Apple is finally at least considering offering a CDMA device. I can't even count the number of times where I've been somewhere that every single person with a GSM phone had no signal, while every one with a CDMA one had four or five bars. CDMA may be yesterdays tech, but at least it actually works.
post #39 of 99
Seems most likely to me that Verizon and AT&T will offer a 'data-only' plan for the tablet device. The question is - for how much? Currently, a data-card for a laptop can cost anywhere from $40-$100 per month. I'd expect AT&T could bundle with iPhone (and maybe Verizon could in the future if they carry iPhone) and perhaps drop that price to $25-$30. But, iPhone + tablet = bandwidth drain. This will have to be resolved or consumers will bail.
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Please, Apple, have a communication chip inside it so it will work with either AT&T or Verizon, without the need to buy a carrier specific model of the tablet.

It could be something different entirely though...

Apple could be an MVNO on both AT&T and Verizon... and when we buy a tablet we buy an AT&T or Verizon version but we're paying Apple our data contract for that.

Then the tablet works
  1. at home & work hot spots
  2. at verizon hot spots
  3. at AT&T hotpsots
  4. lastly, on either Verizon 3G
    or AT&T 3G networks

I haven't really thought this through... so just throwing a thought out.
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