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A third planned maintenance and security update to Apple's Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard operating system will include significant enhancements to QuickTime X while also improving printing and Logic performance, AppleInsider has learned.

The advancements were reportedly detailed alongside a new beta of Mac OS X 10.6.3 released to a subset of the Mac maker's developer community on Friday, carrying build number 10D538.

It arrives roughly two weeks after company issued build 10D522, which included the foundation for supporting OpenGL 3.0 -- the latest version of an industry standard, cross-platform programming interface for writing applications that produce 2D and 3D computer graphics.

More specifically, people familiar with Friday's beta say it includes an update to QuickTime X that, when finalized, will improve security and compatibility while simultaneously enhancing overall reliability. The release will also include tweaks that aim to enhance the performance of Apple's 64-bit Logic pro audio suite. Other planned improvements include better compatibility with third-party printers and OpenGL-grounded applications, those same people say.

In addition to those areas, Apple is reportedly asking developers to focus their evaluation efforts on a few other core system components, such as AirPort, VoiceOver and graphics drivers.

Only one known issue -- related to photo albums viewed via the company's Front Row media center software -- is said to be plaguing the latest beta. The 665+ megabyte release is expected to be made public sometime in the next six weeks.
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Will this finally mean that I can fullscreen videos in while they're playing with Quicktime in Safari?
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Quicktime does need fixing, for sure. Like it or not .wmv has been pretty much established, you can't have quicktime not being able to skip ahead...
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Wow! 665+ megabyte! So Snow Leopard isn't really out of beta yet.

That's ok, I can wait further, Leopard is running just fine on my machine.
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I would love to see an update that allows QTX to play .m4v/.mp4 files that have a AC3 soundtrack.
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Something tells me this release will have some new features beyond what is rumored or known. That something is the Jan 27th event.
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Wow! 665+ megabyte! So Snow Leopard isn't really out of beta yet.

That's ok, I can wait further, Leopard is running just fine on my machine.

Maybe you could switch to an OS with 4 service packs of 600 mbs, and daily junkware updates.
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Something tells me this release will have some new features beyond what is rumored or known. That something is the Jan 27th event.

It is unlikely that a minor maintenance OS release would have significant changes to functionality.

More likely, such changes would be introduced in a new version of iTunes. It's possible that underlying support libraries, etc. are being prepped for a future release of enhanced functionality, but I wouldn't hold your breath about it drastically changing your system.

Also, it is more likely that Apple is announcing one or more new devices that will not ship for several months, thus giving their engineers more time to finalize software changes. I'm also guessing that the unwieldy size of this 10.6.3 update is largely due to new printer drivers.
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Wow! 665+ megabyte! So Snow Leopard isn't really out of beta yet.

That's ok, I can wait further, Leopard is running just fine on my machine.

10.7.0 should be out around September 2011, if you want to wait a while, or in case you don't have $29 to spend, or if you're just afraid of the unknown, or if ...
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At this point, I only care about one problem, a big problem: Flash. APPLE, FIX F*CKING FLASH CRASHES IN SAFARI!!
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Something tells me this release will have some new features beyond what is rumored or known. That something is the Jan 27th event.

I agree. I am hoping that a enhanced 64-bit capable QT in SL 10.6.3 will be compatible (import/export) with a 64- bit capable iLife10. I have iLife08, but found that exporting to QT required QT7. I understand that iLife09 can export to the current QTX, but also, they are only 32-bit capable. It will be interesting what functions will be added back into QT, and what new functions will be in both QTX and iLife10 or perhaps iLifeX. iLife09 came out in Jan09 and is due for an update. Plus, possible tie-ins with this so-called tablet?

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At this point, I only care about one problem, a big problem: Flash. APPLE, FIX F*CKING FLASH CRASHES IN SAFARI!!

Try http://rentzsch.github.com/clicktoflash/ as a temporary solution. The responsible party probably is Adobe. Are you using Safari 4? It will run plug-ins like Flash in a separate process from Safari.

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At this point, I only care about one problem, a big problem: Flash. APPLE, FIX F*CKING FLASH CRASHES IN SAFARI!!

Flash is not Apple's responsibility. It's Adobe's. And Adobe shows no sign of caring about mac functionality. That's why many of us avoid Flash entirely, or use ClickToFlash.
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It is unlikely that a minor maintenance OS release would have significant changes to functionality.

More likely, such changes would be introduced in a new version of iTunes. It's possible that underlying support libraries, etc. are being prepped for a future release of enhanced functionality, but I wouldn't hold your breath about it drastically changing your system.

Also, it is more likely that Apple is announcing one or more new devices that will not ship for several months, thus giving their engineers more time to finalize software changes. I'm also guessing that the unwieldy size of this 10.6.3 update is largely due to new printer drivers.


My thoughts exactly.

I run several other operating systems, and tons of applications, on my Mac in addition to OS X, so I can no longer just upgrade on a whim without knowing for sure it's not going to be broken or performance hobbled.

There seems to be a lot of change in the air with Snow Leopard too, so I would have to wait until the dust settles first.
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At this point, I only care about one problem, a big problem: Flash. APPLE, FIX F*CKING FLASH CRASHES IN SAFARI!!


I had this problem all the time and saw a post in one of these Apple rumor sites that pointed me to instructions on how to completely remove all components of flash. After I did that and reinstalled the latest version (non-beta) and it hasn't crashed for quite awhile now. I had forgot about the crashes until you mentioned it.
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At this point, I only care about one problem, a big problem: Flash. APPLE, FIX F*CKING FLASH CRASHES IN SAFARI!!


Use Firefox, it just got upgraded to 3.6 and is a lot faster.

Install the NoScript ad-on, it's a firewall of sorts for scripts, so they won't run without your ok first.

Be surprised how much hostile crap is going on using Flash, Java and Javascript, also click jacking attempts, web bugs, etc.


Install the BetterPrivacy add-on to automatically erase hidden Flash cookies that are used to track you.
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I would love to see an update that allows QTX to play .m4v/.mp4 files that have a AC3 soundtrack.

Doesn't perian let you do that? I know I've had to mess about with that issue before.
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How long before TRIM support for SSD's?
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Please get rid of the overlayed buttons in QT Player...

I find extremely annoying. Just give an option for a traditional controller beneath the content - I'll compromise - you can auto-hide it until you move the mouse and then have the controller drop down beneath the content.

I barely use the QT Player now, and use the latest version of VLC instead.
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How long before TRIM support for SSD's?

Good point. But I think TRIM is not yet finalised as protocol is ssd's themselves so apple is waiting it out until they have something solid to offer. But I could be wrong.
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I personally find it ridiculous: almost 700 MB update and basically just one QT update, the rest is only for those who use Logic software. Why not to make a patch aside: download it only if you use it?
Also those downloadable updates are huge especially if u compare it to the size of the OS.
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I personally find it ridiculous: almost 700 MB update and basically just one QT update, the rest is only for those who use Logic software. Why not to make a patch aside: download it only if you use it?
Also those downloadable updates are huge especially if u compare it to the size of the OS.

You're underestimating what will be included in the update.
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I personally find it ridiculous: almost 700 MB update and basically just one QT update, the rest is only for those who use Logic software. Why not to make a patch aside: download it only if you use it?
Also those downloadable updates are huge especially if u compare it to the size of the OS.

My guess is that some of the underlying updates to QuickTime X improve Logic performance.

As mentioned earlier, my suspicion is that the bulk of the download size is actually new printer drivers. I do hope that Apple Software Update will be able to recognize what printer drivers are installed on my system (none really) and download the appropriate updates. This is a developer release, so it's reasonable to assume that all updates are provided, and the mechanism that generates delta updates is not enabled. Thus, developers that only use HP printers are still getting new drivers for Epson, Lexmark, Canon, etc. printers.
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Wow! 665+ megabyte! So Snow Leopard isn't really out of beta yet.

That's ok, I can wait further, Leopard is running just fine on my machine.

Files are replaced, not patched. There is no direct connection betwen OS quality and update size.

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Doesn't perian let you do that? I know I've had to mess about with that issue before.

It does to an extent but the performance is not as good as native codecs. Also, you have to launch QT in 32 bit mode. I'm still playing with different work arounds.
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Try http://rentzsch.github.com/clicktoflash/ as a temporary solution. The responsible party probably is Adobe. Are you using Safari 4? It will run plug-ins like Flash in a separate process from Safari.

I am, and I usually have to force quit the plugin within Activity Viewer so that Safari can respond. I know Adobe is partly to blame, which is the reason why I'm glad YouTube and Vimeo have switched to HTML5.

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Flash is not Apple's responsibility. It's Adobe's. And Adobe shows no sign of caring about mac functionality. That's why many of us avoid Flash entirely, or use ClickToFlash.

I use clicktoflash, but a lot of the content on the web is flash-based, so there is no way of avoiding it...I've whitelisted a few sites that crash Safari.

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I had this problem all the time and saw a post in one of these Apple rumor sites that pointed me to instructions on how to completely remove all components of flash. After I did that and reinstalled the latest version (non-beta) and it hasn't crashed for quite awhile now. I had forgot about the crashes until you mentioned it.

I've done this and I refuse to do a clean install on my macbook pro because of flash, but maybe I missed something. I'd appreciate a link to the site you got the info from so that I can double check...thanks in advance.

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Use Firefox, it just got upgraded to 3.6 and is a lot faster.

Install the NoScript ad-on, it's a firewall of sorts for scripts, so they won't run without your ok first.

Be surprised how much hostile crap is going on using Flash, Java and Javascript, also click jacking attempts, web bugs, etc.


Install the BetterPrivacy add-on to automatically erase hidden Flash cookies that are used to track you.

I have Firefox 3.6 (not the release candidate), but every time I click on a link, there CPU use spikes to as high as 85%. It is fine when I'm not running other apps, but I usually run three or four apps at a time, one for statistical analysis so that by itself, is a resource hog. I haven't tried those ad-ons, so I guess I'll give them a try...it's just frustrating trying to do anything in the web with all the damn crashes.
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Doesn't perian let you do that? I know I've had to mess about with that issue before.

Perian works great.
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Quicktime does need fixing, for sure. Like it or not .wmv has been pretty much established, you can't have quicktime not being able to skip ahead...

I think you are confusing a lot of different things here. Quicktime X is a work in progress for certain, and lacks many major features, but *.wmv (actually a format not a player), is one of the worst codecs out there. Ubiquity does not equate to "good."

I am hoping that the whole Quicktime X -> Quicktime 7 kludge can be ditched finally. it just doesn't work that well and when it fails, it often takes the whole video subsystem with it. It has caused me to re-sintall the entire quicktime package a couple of times which is beyond the capabilities of the average user and shouldn't be necessary at all. It makes OS-X feel like Windows when you have to do stuff like that.
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Wow! 665+ megabyte! So Snow Leopard isn't really out of beta yet.

That's ok, I can wait further, Leopard is running just fine on my machine.

You're missing out. Snow Leopard is just like Leopard but cleaner, more stable and faster. Unless you have really old gear, there is no reason to wait.
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At this point, I only care about one problem, a big problem: Flash. APPLE, FIX F*CKING FLASH CRASHES IN SAFARI!!

I don't have any problems with Flash in Safari. But Apple isn't to blame. How about Adobe? They wrote the software.
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I personally find it ridiculous: almost 700 MB update and basically just one QT update, the rest is only for those who use Logic software. Why not to make a patch aside: download it only if you use it?
Also those downloadable updates are huge especially if u compare it to the size of the OS.

You don't know much about computers or software do you?
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I personally find it ridiculous: almost 700 MB update and basically just one QT update, the rest is only for those who use Logic software.

No that is not the correct take on what a developer release like this is. What they are highlighting is the stuff they want developers to look at carefully since the last beta release. If you follow the release materials for each beta you will find out what has been workers on since the last. In this case the are telling developers that Quicktime X needs heavy testing as do print drivers or whatever else was highlighted. The last beta may have focused on Quicktime, OpenGL or whatever.

The size of the patch reflects the fact that a lot of fixes and improvements are being rolled into this update. This is a good thing, as it should lead to faster more stable performance.
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Why not to make a patch aside: download it only if you use it?

The primary reason is likely to be stability. Install a 10.6.x update and everybody knows exactly what your system capabilities are. Software then can determine reliably if the current installation is compatible.

Your suggested approach would make for highly unstable Macs similsr to what use to be .dll hell in Windows.
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Also those downloadable updates are huge especially if u compare it to the size of the OS.

Don't complain. Really that means that we get a lot of fixes, improvements and new features. For example the OpenGL 3.x support could be seen as a new feature. There are likely to be other goodies too. We might even see heavier use of GPUs. I know the downloads are painful but they are worth it in the long run.



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I have Firefox 3.6 (not the release candidate), but every time I click on a link, there CPU use spikes to as high as 85%. It is fine when I'm not running other apps, but I usually run three or four apps at a time, one for statistical analysis so that by itself, is a resource hog. I haven't tried those ad-ons, so I guess I'll give them a try...it's just frustrating trying to do anything in the web with all the damn crashes.

I only get FF 3.6 link spikes to about 40%, then again I'm on Leopard.

Perhaps it's the new Grand Central in Snow Leopard that's responsible.


My advice is clone the whole boot drive to the external here's how:

http://theappleblog.com/2010/01/12/h...-to-a-new-mac/


Repair permisisons on both after any clone (somehow omitted in the how too) and hold option boot from the clone and check everything out, run it for some time and see if your problem continues. If it doesn't then you know it's most likely the drive.

Erase with Zero option (Disk Utility) the boot drive (will delete all data!!), this will map off bad sectors on your boot drive. Then clone the clone back onto the original boot drive. See how that works.

You can also just do a complete OS install after the erase, if you still have problems, it could be a bad OS disk or simply the OS itself.

You could need more RAM, it could be the machine, it could be Apple trying to get you to upgrade.


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You're missing out. Snow Leopard is just like Leopard but cleaner, more stable and faster. Unless you have really old gear, there is no reason to wait.


Yes there are, a couple of dozen paid app upgrades...money better spent on a iTablet.

I've beta tested a lot of Apple software over the years, this time I'm sitting it out.

Just tired of pulling my hair out, it's supposed to "just work" as long as one doesn't mess with it. But Apple is messing with things, improving, adding features and etc., like normal. At least I have a choice, not to upgrade and stick with Leopard.

Leopard had some downright nightmares, serious security issues etc., for like 8-10 months after release. I can't go through that with the two dozen people I take care of again. It looks bad on Apple and it looks bad on me.

All my newbies are on Leopard, I don't get any phone calls...peace and quiet... zzzzz
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I use clicktoflash, but a lot of the content on the web is flash-based, so there is no way of avoiding it...I've whitelisted a few sites that crash Safari.

but I usually run three or four apps at a time, one for statistical analysis so that by itself, is a resource hog. I haven't tried those ad-ons, so I guess I'll give them a try...it's just frustrating trying to do anything in the web with all the damn crashes.

Just to clarify what a whitelist is:

whitelisting |ˈ(h)wītˌlisti ng |
noun Computing
the use of antispam filtering software to allow only specified e-mail addresses to get through.

So you would not whitelist the sites that are prone to crash.

You also have the option of running only the Safari application when viewing web sites.

I'm not trying to excuse your situation. Adobe, IMO, is not the company of yore, and is struggling nowadays for whatever internal reasons. This came to my attention after reading a book about Adobe Acrobat. I was floored by how many functions were supported in the Windows version but not in the Mac version. It was obvious where Adobe's focus was.

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Yes there are, a couple of dozen paid app upgrades...money better spent on a iTablet.

I've beta tested a lot of Apple software over the years, this time I'm sitting it out.

Just tired of pulling my hair out, it's supposed to "just work" as long as one doesn't mess with it.

All my schoolies are on Leopard, I don't get any phone calls...peace and quiet... zzzzz

I know what you're saying. I just think you picked the wrong time to get conservative. Other than the mess that is Quicktime X, Snow Leopard is rock solid IMO and not one of those times when it feels like you have a beta in your hands.

Actually, to be honest Leopard was a bit like that when it first came out (kinda scary and unstable a bit). Snow Leopard is kind of like the big patch for Leopard IMO, but to each their own etc.
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I know what you're saying. I just think you picked the wrong time to get conservative. Other than the mess that is Quicktime X, Snow Leopard is rock solid IMO and not one of those times when it feels like you have a beta in your hands.

Actually, to be honest Leopard was a bit like that when it first came out (kinda scary and unstable a bit). Snow Leopard is kind of like the big patch for Leopard IMO, but to each their own etc.


Ok, thanks. I'll think about it. :cool:
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I don't have any problems with Flash in Safari. But Apple isn't to blame. How about Adobe? They wrote the software.

Actually, you are wrong. I've had many crashes in Safari with flash that don't occur under other browsers. I don't even mind that something goes wrong with the flash being played by Safari, it happens. What I don't like is that when this type of thing occurs it takes the entire browser down. Not good.
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I wish it would play more formats. Until then VLC is my primary video player.
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I wish it would play more formats. Until then VLC is my primary video player.

Such as?
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