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The last one doesn't have any attempt to hide it. If appearance was a consideration, I think there are radio transparent materials that can be used as a fascia, it could be done in a way to make the building look taller.
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"HotHardware alleges, without any evidence to support the claim, that the iPhone doesn't handle the switch from 3G to EDGE connections well, and frequently drops calls when 3G access is lost."

No phone can switch a call between 3G and EDGE. If a call starts on 3G, in must end on 3G. Or, alternatively, end when 3G coverage vanishes. AT&T's 3G coverage gaps and insufficient network capacity are to blame.

EDGE doesn't carry phone calls, GSM does. EDGE is purely data while 3G is (UMTS) is a mixture of voice and data.

My Nokia 6680, which was the second 3G handset that Nokia offered allowed me to easily switch between 3G and GSM during calls. I remember, as I was in Norway at the time and only the cities were covered in 3G and I had to commute for a week between two cities about an hour apart and there was only GSM coverage between but 3G in the two cities. I never had issues with dropped calls.

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Try watching SlingBox at the airport while talking on the phone with your Verizon iPhone....

Suckers...

Yeah I want to have a phone call with you while you watch movies, really? I hope you do not conduct business like that.
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Yeah I want to have a phone call with you while you watch movies, really? I hope you do not conduct business like that.

Well if the SO is calling and bitching about something, who wants to listen to that garbage? Just get online and do something else while she is talking while going uh huh, sure, ok every now and then to make it look like you are paying attention. Who said it had to be business? But if it was, I'd like to have the ablility to get some information online if someone was asking for it while talking. The other day I had to get something online from our website and send it to a peer. I was on the phone talking to them, retrieved the information and e-mailed it to them. Could I do that on a current American CDMA network? No, unless I was on Wi-Fi, which I was nowhere near.
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Originally Posted by Son0fsocal View Post

Apple knows that as soon as they
go to vzw it's light out for android!!

More likely, ATT knows that when the Android phones hit their stores, its lights out for the iPhone.
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More likely, ATT knows that when the Android phones hit their stores, its lights out for the iPhone.

Unlikely.

Android phones are already on iPhone carriers across the globe. Based on steadily increasing worldwide sales of iPhones, it appears that AT&T's sales of iPhones would continue to increase, regardless of the availability of Android phones.
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More likely, ATT knows that when the Android phones hit their stores, its lights out for the iPhone.

No. Android are nice. But the iPhone is better.
post #128 of 154
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Originally Posted by Avidfcp View Post

Why do people say this? Whenever our phones drop from 3G to Edge, you cannot go online while on a call. Maybe not everyone experiences this, but we do.

And when using WiFi, you CAN surf and talk at the same time on a Verizon phone.

Half-truths are a stock in trade around here.
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Originally Posted by pmz View Post

Somebody please give me explanation of How the iPhone user experience would be better on Verizon?

As if you were pitching this to Steve, I don't want to hear more coverage more speed as neither is true, or translates into something the user experiences.

Here's my pitch to iSteve: "You'll make lots of profits".

Does Apple care about anything more than profits?

Certainly they would never lose profits in order to offer a "better user experience". Indeed, they will never ever do anything for any reason other than to maximize total profits. The user experience is just a means to an end. The goal is to maximize total profits.
post #130 of 154
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Originally Posted by ghostface147 View Post

Well if the SO is calling and bitching about something, who wants to listen to that garbage? Just get online and do something else while she is talking while going uh huh, sure, ok every now and then to make it look like you are paying attention. Who said it had to be business? But if it was, I'd like to have the ablility to get some information online if someone was asking for it while talking. The other day I had to get something online from our website and send it to a peer. I was on the phone talking to them, retrieved the information and e-mailed it to them. Could I do that on a current American CDMA network? No, unless I was on Wi-Fi, which I was nowhere near.

Ahhh thanks for jumping in with your statement but my point was I wouldn't want to talk to someone on the phone while they watch a movie. Never mentioned anything else about whatever it was your were babbling about.
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And when using WiFi, you CAN surf and talk at the same time on a Verizon phone.


Everyone's situation is different in many ways, but I know that since my job requires me to drive a heavy amount around town regularly, wi-fi isn't a viable option where on AT&T I don't have to have a Wi-Fi connection to work with simultaneous voice and data while on the road. Let me know when a current CDMA provider allows me to do that while relying exclusively on their CDMA coverage.
post #132 of 154
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HotHardware alleges, without any evidence to support the claim, that the iPhone doesn't handle the switch from 3G to EDGE connections well, and frequently drops calls when 3G access is lost.

That's odd... I frequently have dropped calls, particularly when I talking to another AT&T customer and I rarely have 3G service enabled.
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And when using WiFi, you CAN surf and talk at the same time on a Verizon phone.

Half-truths are a stock in trade around here.

Obviously, since WiFi is not part of the mobile network's communication system there would be no conflict of usage. As usual you come into a conversation with a half-thoughtout idea. I can also use a Bluetooth radio headset while making a GSM or 3GSM call and using WiFi for data access.

Just like your poorly concieved nothing that the failure of Android to command iPhone numbers across multiple carriers is some tied to AT&T not directly selling an Android device. Especially considering that you've previously stated that people only stay with AT&T for the iPhone. Now we are to believe that they love AT&T and want desperately to drop the iPhone???
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post #134 of 154
At&t is complaining that the iPhone has hurt their image? What a joke.

I suppose AT&t's bank is complaining that all of the money AT&T is making is causing their bank vaults to overload. They are going to drop AT&t as a customer. Just too much trouble to store all that money.

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post #135 of 154
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Originally Posted by TammyT View Post

> Because they are the only company to carry it, and it's such a data hog, it's largely to
> blame for AT&T's network troubles. We don't remember hearing about AT&T's 'horrible
> network' before the iPhone--do you?"

Huh? AT&T only covers about 18% of the country with 3G today.

Before the iphone... they covered even *LESS* of the country.

How can "tower coverage" be Apple's fault?

(This is in *ADDITION* to the fact that AT&T can't handle heavy traffic.... they just can't handle *ANY* traffic... in about 82% of the USA. They have *NO* 3G cell towers in countless places.)

http://vzwmap.verizonwireless.com/do...comparison.pdf

AT&T (just like Micro$hit from back in the day is just a cabbage patch work of little Ma-Bells pieced together ( remebember when they were Cingular, then Cingular One and then they re-branded back to AT$T they were a bunch of little cell companies around the country that ATT would buy out then merge into one BIG MESS AT$T) they never EVER had a REAL NETWORK from the ground up it was a bunch of smaller cell companies trying to be one BIG telcom (this is what MICRO$hit software still is today : do your reseach and see they are a bunch of patched software apps that never really work well together
so I say bring it on VERIZON + APPLE = ME
I'm one my 3rd Iphone and it's only 1 week old and just yesteday I was on a crosstown bus and the network dropped over 5 x on my call I had to redial my phone 10 x urrrggh
yea right it's the HARDWARE sure thing Att want us to believe that I cannot wait until June when they won't be saying that BS anymore... See ya ATT
CAN U HEAR ME NOW????!!!!!???!!!
post #136 of 154
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Citing an anonymous "inside source," HotHardware has reported AT&T could lose their iPhone exclusivity on Wednesday, when Apple is also expected to introduce its long-awaited touchscreen tablet. ...

This doesn't make much sense to me.

Business relationships are a lot like personal relationships.

Unless there has been a major falling out, there is no reason to announce to the world that "it's over" until the last possible day (June). There is just no incentive to close the gate prematurely.

So unless Apple caught AT&T whispering sweet nothings to Android and threw all of AT&T's clothes out on the front lawn (and you'd think we'd have heard about that), I'm thinking they won't announce anything until it's completely a completely done deal.

You gotta figure AT&T is still calling Apple up every night begging for forgiveness and "one more chance" at least.
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Originally Posted by jsmythe00 View Post

I'm curious. If ATT blames iPhone users for clogging their network, and apple goes to another network, what will happen to all the android, pre and other smart phones going to do to their network.

I don't see Apple dropping ATT, only adding other providers.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

This doesn't make much sense to me.

Business relationships are a lot like personal relationships.

Unless there has been a major falling out, there is no reason to announce to the world that "it's over" until the last possible day (June). There is just no incentive to close the gate prematurely.

One reason would be to prevent customers on the new iPhone networks from committing to new long term contracts in the period between the announcement and the availability. That could amount to millions of people.
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Originally Posted by markb View Post

You WILL NOT see a Verizon iPhone anytime soon. Verizon demands control of the user experience and Apple cant give that control up.

Not true. Verizon has sold smartphones for years with very little "customization". The latest models (i.e. Droid) run the stock Android OS from Google with no mods.

Verizon's consistent UI for its "dumb" phones may have helped streamline its customer service department, but as far as app/music sales it has been a flop. Verizon knows that.

Of course, "control" of revenue sharing is entirely another issue... that is the only realistic Verizon iPhone stumbling block I see...
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

Not only that, but many European countries had such poor landline services relative to the US and in particular Canada, that wireless became the law. Dictated by their governments, paid for by the taxpayer and no regional bylaws to prevent it.

Which countries are you thinking of specifically?

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And unlike North America, a single communication standard, i.e., GSM was basically adopted/enforced/became thenorm.

Yes, it was indeed a smart move that a common standard was agreed upon for certain frequencies. Although there are also CDMA operators in a few countries in Europe, since there is no international agreement for a certain technology concerning the 450 MHz band.
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Perhaps someone could comment on the technical feasibility of enabling simultaneous voice and data on Verizon's network by including dedicated radios for each, managed by software -- i.e., 2 radios, one used exclusively for voice traffic, the other exclusively for data.

Obviously, it would increase the cost to build an iPhone, and would probably affect battery life (although, the data radio could possibly be shutdown when not in use), but is there any technical reason this wouldn't work? Space might be an issue, but, since there would be no sim card, perhaps it would fit in that space?
post #142 of 154
An anonymous source, and no evidence to support their claims. We don't know of any complaints against AT&T before they had the iPhone. Who are these people?

Every carrier has their fair share of customer complaints. The problem is that there are too many carriers fighting for airspace.
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

It's not any law that I've heard of. I don't know if it changed, but AT&T did have an unlock policy to unlock on request for customers in good standing for 18 months, but iPhone was an exception to that policy.

They are the exclusive carrier as of now. That's probably why the exception. When the exclusivity ends, and you're out of contract, I can't imagine why they wouldn't unlock it.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

This doesn't make much sense to me.

Business relationships are a lot like personal relationships.

Unless there has been a major falling out, there is no reason to announce to the world that "it's over" until the last possible day (June). There is just no incentive to close the gate prematurely.

So unless Apple caught AT&T whispering sweet nothings to Android and threw all of AT&T's clothes out on the front lawn (and you'd think we'd have heard about that), I'm thinking they won't announce anything until it's completely a completely done deal.

You gotta figure AT&T is still calling Apple up every night begging for forgiveness and "one more chance" at least.

I'd imagine it's in their contract not to announce competitors until a certain date. AT&T would be more likely to lose customers (or not gain) if Apple said, "oh by the by, you will not have to use AT&T soon because we're adding 3 new carriers in the US."
post #145 of 154
You could always just import one from the uk or some other country my 3gs is pay as u go not contract
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Perhaps someone could comment on the technical feasibility of enabling simultaneous voice and data on Verizon's network by including dedicated radios for each, managed by software -- i.e., 2 radios, one used exclusively for voice traffic, the other exclusively for data.

Obviously, it would increase the cost to build an iPhone, and would probably affect battery life (although, the data radio could possibly be shutdown when not in use), but is there any technical reason this wouldn't work? Space might be an issue, but, since there would be no sim card, perhaps it would fit in that space?

It would increase the cost to build BUT, considering Apple's high margins anyways, it may not affect the price for the consumer. The idea of a secondary, back up radio that kicks in when a call is received has been on my mind as well. If they did this, I would doubt if they could have a CDMA and GSM phone, unless they used a single chip that does both, then a back up CDMA.

It is possible they announce it Wednesday but it doesn't debut until the CDMA/GSM chips are more widley available (perhaps June?)
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post #147 of 154
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Originally Posted by hdasmith View Post

There must be a problem with the US system then. Here in the UK, my phone frequently continues calls started in 3G areas on EDGE or GPRS.

EDGE and GPRS are data only, your call will fall back to GSM, not EDGE or GPRS
post #148 of 154
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Just like your poorly concieved nothing that the failure of Android to command iPhone numbers across multiple carriers is some tied to AT&T not directly selling an Android device.

I said that? News to me.
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Especially considering that you've previously stated that people only stay with AT&T for the iPhone. Now we are to believe that they love AT&T and want desperately to drop the iPhone???

I never ever said that people only stay with ATT for the iPhone. I never ever said that people love ATT and want desperately to drop the iPhone.

If you can't argue against what I say, give up. Don't invent weird spins and attribute them to me.
post #149 of 154
I live in the Catskill Mt. in New York. I've never had a problem from G3---->E. Never a dropped call on my iPhone. In fact, there was about a 50 yd. stretch of road where everyone's calls on ATT were dropped -- with all phones. Last week, this changed. ATT did a fix. Four bars all the way. Funny, isn't it. Since I live in a mountainous area.

I'd shoot myself in the foot before switching to Verizon. ATT gave me credit and VW wouldn't give my friend credit for the same issue. I'd use carrier pigeons before VW.

The only V in my life is Vonage...from when they only had a tiny office in NJ and no one knew who they were. Saw a note about them in Time Mag and thought I'd give it a try. Then it was bye bye Verizon.

J
post #150 of 154
I had the iphone,then dropped it and went back to verizon. I miss the iphone,but am satisfied with the droid eris for now until verizon gets the iphone. The only thing i have to question about the rumors of verizon getting the iphone sometime this year is why would Verizon dump so much time and money(also bashing iphone&at&t) into droid then just do a 180 and start pushing the iphone.Most verizon customers will line up for the iphone and ditch there droids. They will be just tossing droid to the side. The average consumer is familiar with the iphone,its simple and proven a success.The droid is a good phone,but its still not simplified like the iphone.

I hope i'm dead wrong and apple announces on the 27th the iphone is coming to verizon , but something is telling me that Verizon won't be offering the iphone until 2011,2012
post #151 of 154
Well this one did not come true... Sounds like AT&T still have a deal with Apple
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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

Why should I pay $900 when I already have one, especially an 8GB 3G not 3GS? You can get them for much less on ebay.

I want AT&T to unlock my iPhone when I fulfill my contract.

You can forget about ATT unlocking your iPhone, it will not happen.......ever. I bought my iPhone when I was in Hong Kong. It's Legally Unlocked by Apple. When I returned home [US] I put my T-Mobil sim card and started making calls. ATT sucked 9 years ago and gave me every excuse in the book. I got rid of them and have been with T-Mo since. Verizon is a better service provider but they are no better when it comes to customer service.
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Originally Posted by spezi View Post

Yes, it was indeed a smart move that a common standard was agreed upon for certain frequencies. Although there are also CDMA operators in a few countries in Europe, since there is no international agreement for a certain technology concerning the 450 MHz band.

Actually, it was a stupid move --- that's why European regulators have been reversing themselves and all the spectrum auctions in Europe have been technology neutral auctions.
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Actually, it was a stupid move --- that's why European regulators have been reversing themselves and all the spectrum auctions in Europe have been technology neutral auctions.

Hm so where's that Verizon iPhone?

Oh well. I'm getting an AT&T this weekend.
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