Analytics firm spots 50 suspected Apple tablets running iPhone OS 3.2 - Page 2

Games testing? Well anything to help Americans be more productive. That's the important thing.

I didn't read anything about new unpublished app in the article. What Flurry is saying here is that their tracking logs are showing the tablet running iPhone OS 3.2 and using already existing App Store apps. They also provided a category breakdown of the apps used by the tablet as shown in their logs.

I tend to agree. It does make sense though that "the number of apps in use," which is what Flurry said it was measuring, would skew more toward games and entertainment since games are said to be a big focus of the presentation on Wednesday.

The current version is 3.1.2 right? So 3.2 is an unreleased version? It's unreleased and it could be ANYTHING. Maybe, because Apple knows it's being tracked, maybe that's just a place holder and then on Wed, the version will be renamed 4.0 Not sure why there's so much freaking out here, wasn't it said ages ago that the tablet would be running on a version of the iPhone OS and not OSX ? This in no way limits would the new version could be capable of....Personally, top on my essential's list is a fullsized on screen keyboard. Would be so cool to do all email and web surfing on such a portable device.

This is exciting. I can't wait for Wednesday.

Their terms of service & condition prevent them from releasing the name of the apps that uses their services. It is up to the developer to disclose if their app uses tracking and analytical tools.

Apple has all along been making incremental upgrades. The iPod morphed into the Touch/iPhone. Every new version ups the ante and the next thing you know Apple is leading a particular category. Sometimes items that are separate products wind up being pieces of a system that in concert produce a class-leading device. For instance, iTunes and the App Store are an important element in the Touch/iPhone's success.

Maybe on Wednesday Apple unveils a giant iPod Touch, hopefully priced accordingly, but it's only a first step towards something bigger, just as the iPod led to the Touch which led to the iPhone. This incremental approach makes sense if the intention is to have a successful business model. It's not so much about bringing out something that impresses with its innovation because an innovative product will fail if it lacks the infrastructure to be useful to the consumer. Content for the Touch/iPhone platform is plentiful. It's a good starting point for a tablet. You build from there so that consumers will have something useful for their tablets to do while Apple builds up a collection of apps and content designed specifically for the tablet. In the meantime, all that Touch content will be that much more enjoyable accessed via a device with a larger screen. If you had a choice between a $300 3-inch Touch or a $500 7-inch Touch, wouldn't that extra $200 seem like a reasonable amount to spend?

From there, over the next few years, I'm sure Apple could evolve the tablet in the direction many are hoping for. This is how Apple has operated in recent years and I'd have to say, it's working. The company is flourishing beyond anyone's wildest expectations.

Your order is wrong. The iPhone 2G actually preceded the original iPod touch by several months.

In fact, this has always been the case. The new iPhones debut in the summer (June/July) whereas the new iPod touches debut in the fall (September/October).

While this is 100% logical, I hope you're wrong. I hope Apple realizes that with an App Store already in place, there is no reason for slow adoption, or to price gouge.

I also think there are more than a few people who are still angry about the bait and switch Apple pulled with the iPhone. If you remember that resulted in $100 credit to all iPhone customers.

I have a strong feeling that Apple will want to sell this device, rather than dangle it front of people like most Macs, which are typically unaffordable.

According to another site, this guy from the firm claims that he can see information that confirms it is the Tablet running 3.2

He cannot provide this information however.
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As they say, pics or it didn't happen.

We'll know soon enough.

Pics of what exactly? the logs? if they really want to lie about it then they can create fake logs too. It wouldn't surprise me that the tablet might be running an OS that identifies itself as iPhone OS 3.2 and it is logical that Apple might be testing existing app with the tablet. There were reports months ago that the tablet will include a simulator that runs iPhone apps. What this guy said is consistent with what we've been reading for the last few months.

Thanks for the correction. I couldn't recall the exact order but It is valid to argue that Apple has evolved its products incrementally starting off with a music player and advancing in stages from there when the market was ready.

Most Macs are not typically unaffordable. They are different enough that a direct comparison with offerings from the PC side is rather tricky. For instance, the Mac Mini might, at first glance, appear expensive but if you factor in the software that it comes with, not so much. Apple doesn't gouge consumers re the OS to the extent Microsoft has. There is only one OS for laptops and desktops and the most recent upgrade was very reasonably priced. As well, the iLfe suite, included with the Mini, is a very good package, certainly better than what is included with your typical PC. The Mini is a good value, taken as a whole.

The iPhone isn't overpriced, neither is the iMac or the various iPods. Apple makes more money by offering products at a lower price point but it balances that off with the goal of being perceived as a higher-grade alternative. Apple doesn't do cheap but it does do affordable. There is a difference.

Hope it's fake. iPhone os probably means the same iTunes lock in we currently have with with iPhones. I want to get my apps from anywhere or be able to write them myself. Also I think it's kinda essential that there's one common file system that all aps can access like a normal pc. If I got one of these I would want it for work so I would want to be able to access common drives for files easily, not set each app up to have access

Are people still hanging onto the belief that this will be a fully-functional device running OS X? Something that could replace a MacBook? I just don't see it.

Suppose the tablet is capable of running both 3.2 and 4.0, and they want to expand the pool of testers purely to test the hardware of the first production units. They could give them tablets running 3.2 without worrying about opening up the full capabilities of the device and O/S to more people that don't need to know about it yet.

OS X, yes. Mac OS X, no. iPhone OS X, no. Tablet OS X, yes. Closer to iPhone OS than to Mac OS, but distinct from the ground up that it is, in its own right, a separate OS flavour of the OS X family.

How innovative indeed, a $1000 oversized iPod touch that has a couple of new apps to read magazines books and newspapers! WOW how exciting!

What a joke, I really fail to see the how this "tablet" will sell well because I don't see a market for a 10 inch ipod touch that costs 1000 bucks. If that indeed is what it is...then this will be a flop akin to the Cube. I really really hope it isn't, all this hype for that would be extremely anti-climactic.

I have to disagree strongly that Macs are affordable computers.

The MacMini, if the user has quality peripherals, is affordable.
The MacBook only recently hit the $999 price point. It is just barely affordable.
The iMac has just recently come down close to reality and is almost affordable.

Every configuration beyond that is unjustifiable for most of the population. If you need proof the amount of advertising Apple does vs. units sold will tell you all you ever need to know. If people could afford Macs, they'd buy them. Slowly, the adoption rate is increasing, but we're still talking small chunks of market share.

The iPhone itself is $99 which makes it a major player. At $80/mon it carries a higher than average monthly bill for U.S. mobiles, but that trend is changing rapidly. The iPhone is properly price. Perhaps perfectly.

Macs, not so much. I'm still sitting at $1500 iMac, but I know how to get my money's worth from it. The average computer user would and could not.

The average computer user in 2010 isn't even a computer user. They are Web/App users. They want the goodies without any of the sweat. Personally it disgusts me, but its reality.

Also note that despite the Touch update coming a few months after the iPhone update it has also included some minor updates that arent found in the iPhone until the following year. For instance, the volume controls for the Apple headphones worked with the IPod Touch of 2008, but didnt work with the iPhone until the 3GS, released in 2009.

How about the possibility that Apple is not finished with 4.0 nor ready to demonstrate it yet? What if 3.2 has code for the tablet and a couple of new features (that will also filter to the iPhone and Touch), but Apple has something really exciting for 4.0 that they want to wait and demonstrate later (another press opportunity), say just before the Tablet is actually available in stores?

Tablet demonstrated with 3.2, also available now for iPhone and Touch to tide us over
4.0 demoed in later February or early March, available in June for all mobile devices.

Possible, likely? We'll see....

I just meant, don't provide info if your 'source' is top secret. In the web world its meaningless.


Not at all. I have been under the assumption (and probably wrong) that the Tablet OS is very similar to the next generation iPhone OS aka 4.0. So hear it running 3.2 makes it sound much less significant than we hope it would be.


Possible, but not with the event 2 days away. Furthermore to launch a NEW product with software 3.2 sounds like something Microsoft would do.


I really really hope so.


If you're correct, big iPod, $1000 bucks, it will fail outright. I wouldn't buy one, and I'm on here every day waiting to see what it is.

It's pretty safe to say that its more than an iPod touch, and less than $1000.

This is the reason the Tablet will sell well !

Again, a NEW product with software version 3.2 sounds pretty lame. Even though the iPod touch followed this pattern, we assume that the iPod is much more like the iPhone than the Tablet.

I'd like to know how these apps collect their information. It's entirely possible that the software has an incorrect user string or Apple doesn't want to give away the identity of some iPhone 3GS Part Two: The Revenge that's currently in development.

While the timing is suspicious, it doesn't necessarily indicate anything we'll see on Wednesday.

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Good god man, get a grip. A version number doesn't represent what the OS does, only the feature set does. Wait until you see it before you decide a version number sounds lame.

You are the type of person Microsoft labeled Windows 7 for, since internally it identifies itself as 6.1.

I swear this forum is filled with idiots...

If Macs arent affordable then how did 3 million afford them in the last 3 months?

You cant say something is or isnt affordable for everyone simply because its not in your price range or not something youd buy. I can afford a great many things that I choose not to buy for various reasons.

Note that the iPhone, which you say is affordable, costs about 3 to 6x more than a great many people pay for a computer in a 2 year time frame. That doesnt seem logical to me.

PS: Im finding that the $30 data fee for a smartphone is becoming psychologically more acceptable. Ive had two conversations in the past couple weeks with non-smartphone owners who both essentially said, thats not bad at all when i mentioned the price of the unlimited data plan.

it's also easy to geo-locate an IP. i even have a free app that does it on my iphone. and if they buy another block of IP's they will still be in Cupertino or they have to set up a secret lab somewhere else. it's not going to be a big secret since the circuits will still run into the Apple campus and everyone will know it

I think bogus and Apple impresses with far out stuff. Just hope the pricing isn't $1000, perhaps anither bogus rumor. $1000 for a portable Apple App store gaming device, we think not. Perhaps the pricing will also impress. Just give me some voice to text app and allow the playing of all video codecs throw in a few iWork and facial direct camera, price it at $499 with wifi, a little more for 3G, and call it a day. Now that would surprise. Won't happen, then again if it non carrier exclusive, Apple may want to sell a few billion.

While it's nice to see fantasy mock-ups like this, it's good to remember that they are fantasies and not actually anything we are likely to see soon.

Also, there is a lot more to design than making something look cool. This is a bad design even if it were possible with today's materials (it's currently not). Apple will never make a slider tablet because it's just not a good idea. Neither are docking computers in the sense used here.

Docking mobile computers like the laptop you put in a slot or a fancy dock when you get to work, are 1990's dream machines. In today's wireless world there just isn't any point to them outside of a small niche (business) market.

The tablet will either dock in the traditional iPhone sense, or (hopefully), sync and recharge wirelessly if they have that functionality ready. There will never be a portable Apple computer that slides into some silly slot on your iMac or has a desktop connection accessory, like a laptop station, as is depicted here. It just won't happen. The world has moved on since 1995.

Sigh. 3 million. Great. That's superb. It's excellent. I couldn't be happier because my stock has soared as a result of the continued adoption rate.

How many PC's last quarter? I'm just going to guess that its around 70 million. Avg price? And how much advertising did those companies do to drive those sales?

PC's are driven by price. What's wrong with those 70 million, does advertising simply not work on them? Have they not noticed how "cool" and "hip" Macs are?

No, they can't frigging afford them. Obviously there is more to it than this, but the point is, you can't talk about 3 million Macs as if it has some significant impact on market share.

Edit: Can I also point out how obnoxious it is to use phrases like, "I can afford a great many things that I choose not to buy..." Would you actually say that to someone in a conversation?

Beside most of the time they locate the device using GPS.

they are probably testing the final versions of the apps and they will have advertising in them. if the devices are on wifi then it's trivial to find out where they are coming from since every IP is registered and everyone knows exactly where it is in the world and who it belongs to

Sure, why not? Also, 70 million from how many vendors combined? Apple ships more computers than most singular vendor, and profits more than many of them combined. As a shareholder, thats what I care about. Who cares if they have 3% of the market

Why are you under the erroneous impression that Apple is trying to sell to every part of the PC market? Apples Macs are priced well for the market they are in. Dell and HP make machines that cost considerably more than other machines they sell, and often have less impressive specs in certain areas than these cheap machines. Can you imagine why?

By your argument any restaurant that doesnt sell $69 burgers is not affordable? That a quality steak house is not affordable and cant be successful if they sell premium Kobe steaks and/or focus on creating an experience for the diners? That simply doesnt make sense. The number of food units they sell in comparison to the entire world has no baring on the product. Affordability is not even an issue. If you can afford a $400 notebook you can afford a $30 steak, but that doesnt mean that you are going to.

they test the new device over wifi which goes into the physical network at the apple campus. assume Apple is using NAT. at some point it's going to go to the internet and it will have to pass Apple's firewall and core router where it will pick up Apple's public IP for those devices.

admob or some other company that collects the metrics just needs to look at the public IP to see exactly where the traffic is coming from.

even if apple leased another IP range under a different name, the physical circuits still go into the Apple campus unless they have another secret lab somewhere

Sure you do else you would not bother responding to him. Rather than clutter up the forums with posts such as this, do this -> http://forums.appleinsider.com/profi...?do=ignorelist

I dont get his point at all. Because Apple chooses to make their own OS when Dell, HP et al. cant or wont, means that Apple now has to sell more PCs than the rest of the worlds PC market combined in order to be relevant? That makes no sense.

Sure. They are running 3.2 is for testing the hardware.