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It would make more sense for Verizon's data-or-voice-only type network for the launching to be about the impending Apple tablet device rather than the iPhone.

As many have posted here and elsewhere, it's just not (yet) technically feasible for their launch to be about the iPhone: the Qualcomm chip that would enable a hybrid iPhone to use their network is not available yet, and Verizon's aggressive advertising against AT&T and the iPhone last Summer appear to doubly rule out the possibility.

All will be revealed soon...

That isn't really true. Yes, the chip isn't available yet but Verizon has "World Phones" that have both CDMA and GSM chips in them. It is entirely possible that Apple will do something like this, especially if they want the phone on Verizon sooner rather than later.

And do you really think Apple cares about the ads? Its business. Apple does it all the time with Microsoft and yet we now hear than they are discussing moving Bing to the default search engine on the iPhone. I like to sit secure in my knoledge that these people are adults who don't take these things personally.

And I still say that the Verizon iPhone will be tagged with something like "An app for what you need and a map for where you need it." I am serious, they will do that. Verizon positioned themselves carefully here, probably during the course of negotiations. If they went south and Verizon didn't get an iPhone, they could go back to ribbing on it.
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This is probably where the excitement and big-sell will come from - many of the vast number of iPhone apps, while being revolutionary utilities as stand-alone programs, will likely have their usefulness, capability and fun factor multiplied by running in a more powerful multi-tasking environment which the Tablet is likely to provide, leading to a new class: App Suites.

Visualise an environment in which 2 or more apps can not only operate simultaneously, but accept input and output to other apps in real time. Surely this would not require a reinvention of the wheel, as these apps already exist, perform familiar functions and would only require a common communication protocol to interoperate.

Think Productivity, Finance & Business (Spreadsheets, WP, Presentation, Dictation, VNC, iDisk, WebEx etc), Books (the obvious - Stanza, iVerse, Classics, various newspapers and magazines etc), Lifestyle and Social Networking (too many to mention), Music (another very interesting group given the BeatMakers, Star Guitars, Synths, Ocarinas, Sequencers and Multi-trackers) and finally Games (I rest my case).

I see some very interesting eco-systems, and possibly a new mobile computing platform developing over the coming years. Gadzooks!

I'm always late to the party here because of the time-zone differences.....
...but I would like to +1 to this opinion.

Is it so hard to visualize having a multi-tasking device where you have windows at different sizes, according to the developers wishes... or possibly your own preference? Or what about the possibility of even "Drag and Drop"?!

Any of you making stupid comments to the contrary, resize all the windows on your Mac to be full-screen? Ya sure you're not on a WinBox... because I do know that that is the preferred way of using a PC for most people?

to DaHarder: I think you're spot on as well (without quoting/repeating the post).

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post #83 of 207
Verizon plays website for morons.

I love the source: "Boy Genius Report cited an anonymous source" - well hell - that's worth dumping AT&T for isn't it.

Actually - no - no it's not. Go away Verizon - go play with your Droids. The nerd market is HOT didn't you hear?
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..., I'll continue on with my own "subscription" option which I've created via torrents and rapidshare.
Stupid execs pass up the opportunity to earn a few bucks...instead they'll get zero from most people like me.

yeah, they've gotta learn to court the thief market.
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[CENTER]Given your (obviously) bitter/hostile attitude, I'd much rather you skipped my posts anyway.

So... About that Apple iPAD...
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[CENTER]I think the iPad will be great![/CENTER]
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Does that make you hard headed and ignorant? Just a question. It has been stated by MULTIPLE posters that your alignment is upsetting or annoying, as in, if it were a product they wouldn't but it.

Now.... about that "new creation"....

[CENTER]I was wondering what the fuss was all about?[/CENTER]
post #87 of 207
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agreed. and more painful if it is a singular carrier. not matter which one is the chosen one



that depends on how it is presented. if it is presented as a smaller sized full powered computer sure. if it is presented from one word as a member of the iphone family, those traditional users will know that that lock down exists and will just go get a Macbook.

what will be curious to me is the Macbook Air. that baby has never really had the power to be more than a netbook with a little word processing and your itunes. so will it stick around after this or will it phase out.

[CENTER]Question:

Since when has a laptop featuring a 2.13GHz
Intel Core 2 Duo processor with 1066MHz frontside bus, 2GB Memory, 13.3 inch LED backlit display, a 128GB solid-state, and NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics underpowered, especially when compared to the average Intel Atom-based netbook.

You might not appreciate it, but the MacBook Air is still a very capable laptop.[/CENTER]
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Another rumor this week alleged that Verizon Wireless has told its store managers that Wednesday will be a "big day." Boy Genius Report cited an anonymous source as stating the nation's largest wireless provider will hold a "kick off" event this Wednesday, centered around a live Web cast at 1 p.m. Eastern time -- the same time as Apple's event.

I call bogus. Nobody working with Apple goes head-to-head with a Steve Jobs product intro.
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...Seriously, whats the benefit of kicking Schrödinger's cat?...

way to go, solipsism. Now you're gonna have ArticulatedArm rushing to call his vet.
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[CENTER]I was wondering what the fuss was all about?[/CENTER]

[right]nothing really just some stupid center align crap, nothing worth reading anyway[/right] That felt creative! I get it now. HA
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[CENTER]I was wondering what the fuss was all about?[/CENTER]

[CENTER]Just the nonsensical rant of someone making a big deal about absolutely nothing, but that Apple IPAD... Now That Looks To Be Quite Something![/CENTER]
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re:"Actually, there will be a near 6-month period between the iPAD's introduction and actual 'on sale' date, so there will be plenty of time to get many essential apps up and running."

Oh thank god an official source from Apple to show us the way. Please DaHarder - what else do you know about Apple that we're missing out on? Pretty please with sugar on top?

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[CENTER]I think the iPad will be great![/CENTER]


[CENTER]I Agree!
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re:"Actually, there will be a near 6-month period between the iPAD's introduction and actual 'on sale' date, so there will be plenty of time to get many essential apps up and running."

Oh thank god an official source from Apple to show us the way. Please DaHarder - what else do you know about Apple that we're missing out on? Pretty please with sugar on top?

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[CENTER]Yes... But that's because it's (the stupid that is) right there in the room with you.

As far as the iPAD - we'll find out the details tomorrow, until then, it's all mere speculation, and none said otherwise.
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I would say you are understating the first item and overstating the second.

If the tablet *requires* a cell contract, it will be criticised roundly and might not take off at all. The necessity for an expensive contract will most definitely drive down sales.

This is most certainly the case in general. For me personally though I could see myself dropping 3G on the iPhone before going without on a tablet. For many users though mandatory 3G will result in no sales.
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On the other hand, the idea that there are millions that hate Apples's "closed" App store, and that this would put them off buying a device that uses it is primarily a fantasy. People gripe a lot about it, but it hasn't affected sales yet.

Here I have to agree again. App store is one if the best features of the iPhone/Touch economy. It makes management of the device so simply it is silly.

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Originally Posted by iReality85 View Post

I'm betting that the Tablet will feature the new dual-band CDMA/GSM chips. Seeing as how the Tablet will be a world product (the world is heavily GSM), and the rumors of Verizon gearing up for a big day Wednesday, I don't see how it could be any other way. You'll have your choice of signing up with either AT&T or Verizon for coverage. I also bet that Jobs will announce that the iPhone will sport the same dual band chip as well, for the revision coming this summer. Verizon (and all its customers) I'm sure must be excited. I, for one, would gladly switch back.

It will be....eventually. But I read somewhere that Qualcomm screwed up and will not have their dual band chips ready in time for the tablet or the 4th gen iphone launch. So Jobs is forced to order his troops to design seperate devices for the carriers.
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Basically, the answer is ... games.

I'm not sure why you think that games wouldn't look ridiculous on a 10" screen. 2d games will not scale gracefully and 3d games aren't coded with enough detail to look decent on a larger screen even if they were coded to scale. At best, they'll look a little like playing quake 1 at 640x480 on a 22" monitor. In reality, they won't even do that, since even the 3d games use 2d tricks and assets to goose up performance.

And no-one is going to care about using any app in a 320x480 window on the tablet. Tons of every type of app will be ported to or designed for the thing and ready on Day 1 and more with pour in by the bucketful.
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As far as your request, NO... I take it that 'for all the wrong reasons' is because you don't like it, and your being bothered by something so trivial/insignificant speaks more of your intolerance than anything I'm doing. [/CENTER]

You're right, I don't like it. The wrong reasons are that centered text is hard to read. From a web usability pov it is a big no-no. Anyone with even mild dyslexia will really struggle. By formatting your posts to 'stand out' like that you are clearly craving attention - a little like using all upper case, or ridiculously large font, or fancy colors, which really only serves to undermine your point and distract the reader.
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I cant say Im surprised, per say, but on the surface they do appear to be making a mistake. I dont think they get that much per user through a cable company.

It's not just the TV companies. There is also a huge advertising industry -- running into tens of billions of dollars annually in revenues -- that will be in tatters if pricing/subscription alongthese lines takes off.

I think that the two are in cahoots.
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[CENTER]Apple's 'New Creation': What We'll Most Likely See...

Name: Apple iPad

Hopefully in both Mini and Maxi versions. The Maxi for your more demanding computing days.
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Capacity: 32gb/US 599.99, 64gb US 699.99, 128gb US 899.99

Actually I think your flash allotments are way to low at each price point and you are to stiff at each price point. Flash storage will be very important on this device, hopefully this will be something Apple understands at release. Any reliance upon cloud storage would be fairly stupid.
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Operating System: Apple Mobile OS 4.0 (yes, they renamed it)

Rename it? I thought it was Mobile IS for some time now. It is common for people to call it iPhone OS but I'm not sure that is the official name.
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Compatibility: All Existing iPhone/Touch apps (scaled as required) with a slew of new apps (innovative e-reading being the focus) designed specifically for the iPAD and its new capabilities/resolution.

Not to mention higher resolution iPhones in the future. I suspect though that E-Reading will just be another app. Oh the scaling of existing iPhone apps will not be universal. That will depend upon how the app uses the UI.
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Connectivity: 3g featured on the Verizon Network, but optional tethering for existing AT&T iPhone users.

It sounds nice but I wouldn't get all that excited over tethering. Also I'd rather the tablet comes in a universal model when 3G is added. The reality is that a CDMA model would be worthless for people that travel. Which brings us to the most important issue the device can not be carrier locked.
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Additionally: Absolutely NO OSX application compatibility, but will come with Apple Mobile OS versions of iLife and iWorks.

Yep! If people don't grasp that by now they never will. However I see the next version of Mobile OS gaining many features seen in Snow Leopard. These will be low level things like OpenCL and GCD to more fully leverage the hardware for the UI.
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We'll See Soon Enough... [/CENTER]

Yeah I can't wait. I was really hoping it was today that the debut would take place. As it is I have to work tomorrow. Bummmmmmmmmmer.



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post #101 of 207
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Originally Posted by Roc Ingersol View Post

I'm not sure why you think that games wouldn't look ridiculous on a 10" screen. 2d games will not scale gracefully and 3d games aren't coded with enough detail to look decent on a larger screen even if they were coded to scale. At best, they'll look a little like playing quake 1 at 640x480 on a 22" monitor. In reality, they won't even do that, since even the 3d games use 2d tricks and assets to goose up performance.

And no-one is going to care about using any app in a 320x480 window on the tablet. Tons of every type of app will be ported to or designed for the thing and ready on Day 1 and more with pour in by the bucketful.

I play Snes (emulator) on my 92" screen. Although blocky, no pixilation, it's AWESOME. Sometimes it's more about the game than the graphics. Think Nintendo, it's their philosophy. If you think about it, they are indirectly competing against Nintendo DSi's.
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post #102 of 207
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Hopefully in both Mini and Maxi versions. The Maxi for your more demanding computing days. ...

I know it's not just you doing it, butI'm getting so tired of the juvenile maxi-pad jokes.

It doesn't even make sense.

"ePaper" doesn't suffer from the fact that other kinds of icky paper like toilet paper exist, why should "iPad" be any different?

"Pad" is a generic term, there are paper pads, message pads, and yes ... maxi-pads. So what?

The only reason people are making fun of it is because it's a female product that makes men nervous, so they turn into twelve year olds for no apparent reason.
post #103 of 207
I don't need 99 cent TV episode purchases. Now, 99 cent TV episode rentals would be nice. I have no interest in owning TV shows. And for $1.99, I'll live with the poor Hulu quality.
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I don't need 99 cent TV episode purchases. Now, 99 cent TV episode rentals would be nice. I have no interest in owning TV shows. And for $1.99, I'll live with the poor Hulu quality.

you'd rather pay $0.99 for something not to own it. When you could own it for the same amount? Can you elaborate on that?
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I can't wait for the iPhone to show up on Verizon. Four reasons:

1) It will free up my ATT bandwidth, and increases the possibility that ATT will bring iPhone tethering right away.

2) It will increase the value of my Apple shares.

3) It will kick sand in Droid's/Google's faces. I kinda like that.

4) It will choke up Verizon's network, and they'll have to do a major mea culpa.
post #107 of 207
[QUOTE=MacTripper;1556830If the Tablet requires a (another) cell phone contract, it's going to be very painful for a lot of folks to accept. Also locking it to the App Store will put off a lot of traditional computer users used to having control over their machines.

This would hurt any device out of the shoot. I wouldn't pay for another device on my bill.

Hope it has WiFi.

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I sure hope the tablet is easy to clean because half of you are going to get jizz on it.

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Hope it has WiFi.

Dan

Yeah, I hope it comes with a screen too. And some way to input data.
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and a battery. That would be sweet!
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post #111 of 207
It had best be a wireless removable module, or at least a module that does BOTH UMTS & CDMA. I am TIRED of being locked to providers.
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and a battery. That would be sweet!

Only if it's removable.
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I can't wait for the iPhone to show up on Verizon. Four reasons:

1) It will free up my ATT bandwidth, and increases the possibility that ATT will bring iPhone tethering right away.

2) It will increase the value of my Apple shares.

3) It will kick sand in Droid's/Google's faces. I kinda like that.

4) It will choke up Verizon's network, and they'll have to do a major mea culpa.

They sound like very good reasons to me!!!

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[CENTER]Apple's 'New Creation': What We'll Most Likely See...

Name: Apple iPad

Capacity: 32gb/US 599.99, 64gb US 699.99, 128gb US 899.99

Operating System: Apple Mobile OS 4.0 (yes, they renamed it)

Compatibility: All Existing iPhone/Touch apps (scaled as required) with a slew of new apps (innovative e-reading being the focus) designed specifically for the iPAD and its new capabilities/resolution.

Connectivity: 3g featured on the Verizon Network, but optional tethering for existing AT&T iPhone users.

Additionally: Absolutely NO OSX application compatibility, but will come with Apple Mobile OS versions of iLife and iWorks.

We'll See Soon Enough... [/CENTER]

That would probably be the stupidest business decision Apple could make.
1) Sure Verizon might cover redneckville but AT&T covers something like 99% of the populaton.
What buys iPhones? People in cities or people who live in redneckville?

2) 99% of the world is GSM not CDMA.
post #115 of 207
the quality of tv at the moment warrants no more than .10c per episode. I am proud to say I get all my shows from torrents. Some that I want to support the creators financially I buy in dvd's too. These bozos should have already implemented a system with included ads and sold them free as in tv, it's not as if no one is scrolling ahead while watching a show anyway and the ads come on or going for crap in the toilet. And I refuse to accept that a show that I missed an hour ago on the tele to which I subscribe (with virtually no ads) I can't download it and view it at my home.
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Only if it's removable.

I don't get that argument. It takes 5 mins to change an iPhone battery with an Xacto knife. Pop back off, change battery, pop back on. battery good for 2+ years. Now use a simple math equation to figure power consumption to battery size and I'm sure They'll get it right AGAIN. Disposable batteries go against Apples greenness. They are bad for you, they are bad for everybody. Because although we can recycle them, most people don't. I'm either at work, in the car, or at home. Usually somewhere where there's a power source. I'm sure in my attempt to save the planet I can suffer some.

Now I'm guessing you want interchangeable batteries. That makes the product larger and introduces structural weaknesses.
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I completely agree. I, for one, don't need or want another monthly bill. I'd be perfectly content using the tablet via WiFi. Everywhere I'd need or want to use the tablet has WiFi. That's not to say it shouldn't have a 3G option however. I just think it should be optional. Unless, they can add it to my existing AT&T data contract for another $10-$15 month max. But even then, I'd be paying for something I don't really need.

Pretty much spot on especially if it can tether to the iPhone. I have a Nokia that uses JoikuSpot which connects via 3G and creates a wifi hotspot so either way I am set.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

I can't wait for the iPhone to show up on Verizon. Four reasons:

1) It will free up my ATT bandwidth, and increases the possibility that ATT will bring iPhone tethering right away.

2) It will increase the value of my Apple shares.

3) It will kick sand in Droid's/Google's faces. I kinda like that.

4) It will choke up Verizon's network, and they'll have to do a major mea culpa.

Those are feelings to a T. I also think that an iPhone on Verizon will boost Apple's profit and stock price more than a tablet could.

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I don't get that argument. It takes 5 mins to change an iPhone battery with an Xacto knife. Pop back off, change battery, pop back on. battery good for 2+ years. Now use a simple math equation to figure power consumption to battery size and I'm sure They'll get it right AGAIN. Disposable batteries go against Apples greenness. They are bad for you, they are bad for everybody. Because although we can recycle them, most people don't. I'm either at work, in the car, or at home. Usually somewhere where there's a power source. I'm sure in my attempt to save the planet I can suffer some.

I was just following the comments of silly things to expect. Apple has never had an iDevice with a removable battery and their notebooks are now integrated, so even if for some reason you'd think it's a good idea it would be foolish to expect it. But the fact is that everything you stated are valid reasons that there shouldn't be a removable battery.
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Sorry solipsi,
my fault.
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Sorry Slopsi,
my fault.

I am the one who failed to use and emoticon to indicate my sarcasm.
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