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Also, there is no mention if current desktop apps (like photoshop) could be run in this thing. . .apparently not. .. so what is the point?

I wouldn't worry about that... I imagine developers will be all over this device in no time flat. As soon as I able to, I'm ordering.

I can hardly wait to see what developers can do with this.
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Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post

I have the same feelings about this device that i did for the ATV. Love it in concept, but just not enough features for me to buy.

likes:
  • love the form factor, weight, interface and design.
  • I'm so sick of these idiots out there trolling on the bezel. it's to keep your gorilla thumbs off the screen so you aren't constantly 2-fingering the touch screen. Gosh!
  • ibooks, but if it's only compatible with ibooks format, it's a fail. no iMagazine? I subscribe to lots of journals, would be nice to have them all on my iPad or my iPhone for that matter.
  • dock - i'm glad apple recognized the necessity of the phyical keyboard, but why no docking in landscape mode? seems stupid if you're watching a video/tv/movie in the dock and can't rotate it. I think the dock will evolve so it's more like a laptop design, maybe even an adjustible viewing position. basically a lap-top keyboard with a hinge for the iPad to dock with.

dislikes:
  • no multi tasking
  • no camera
  • no phone app - i mean, if you're going to make it 3G, why not include the phone
  • no handwriting recog. in the notes app. would be nice for taking notes for students.
  • no wireless sync with my PC. would be nice if i could just sync or stream content from my computer to the iPad, like the ATV does.
  • No file sharing with my PC or access.

Overall i can't say i'm underwhelmed because i kind of figured this is what we'd get. However, i kind of hoped they would throw a couple curve balls at us. i think everyone predicted what we would be getting months ago.

I pretty much agree with this, particularly the lack of stylus/handwriting recognition. As a student it would have been really nice to finally replace piles of paper notes with one slick device which can hold everything. It wouldn't have been too hard to add surely, they have already done it with the Newton over ten years ago. If they added support for this, it would be trivial to enable use as a graphics tablet too. I've bought several Apple products in recent years and currently own a MBP and iPhone, but as it is I won't be buying the iPad and I fail to see who really will.
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Originally Posted by chwhale View Post

It isn't a netbook killer.

You can't kill what's already dead.

I'd buy this any day before I would lug around that 7 lb. medicine box sold by Dell.
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But most people DON'T type for hours on end. If they do, they'd use a laptop (or desktop). That's not what the iPad is for. Typical home users spend most of their time browsing the web, watching photos, listening to music, etc., maybe even reading the occasional eBook. About all the typing they do is enter their credit card when purchasing something off the Internet and the odd email. For them it's ideal, apart maybe for the lack of Flash support. My son plays a LOT of Flash games on the web :-)

I spend quite a while typing while I surf, for example, what are you doing now?
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Originally Posted by digitlnoize View Post

Thoughts from a Medical Student:

As a professional student and techie, here's what I think:

1. If I can't take notes onto my books and insert pages of notes INTO my books, this thing is 100% worthless to me as a student. How hard is it?

2. I'd seriously like some better voice recognition AND voice "reading." This thing should be able to read my books or notes to me while I'm exercising or reading something else. Seriously. I don't have a lot of time, med school is hard. Please make my life easier.

3. Hulu would have been nice.

4. I don't really care about lack of multitasking. If you use well designed iPhone apps you don't notice it. The only example people seem to be able to give me is Pandora + Web browsing...I can browse and listen to iTunes songs simultaneously, so who needs crappy Pandora?

5. More video support would have been nice. I've heard there's no .mkv support. True?

6. Camera-Shmamera. I have cameras. If it had one, it'd just suck like the iPhone one anyways. If I need a camera, I'll use one. Like I need to be Skyping from Starbucks while I'm trying to read, anyways...sheesh. That's what phones are for people!

7. GPS would have been nice. Maybe it'll be in the 3G enabled versions.

Until I'm able to take notes on my books, I will NOT be getting one.

Lots of good points + and -, but on the books front, it seems (through McGraw Hill etc) that text books are a major push for the iPad so i doubt that annotation will be a problem - as you say - crazy to have it without that. With the right format, people could sell annotation for major books If it is not there immediately, it will be in time for next year's back to school.

User facing camera would have been nice but a front facing one would be ridiculous - as you say, worst camera ergonomics ever!
It has the skyhook faux gps which is fine in urban areas generally.
As you also say - multitasking is way overrated - nice but costly for battery (see Droid)
Doubt they will ever offer .mkv since this is primarily the pirates' choice for HD torrents - it has no other broad legitimate uses unless you can enlighten me.
PS That's why I love my WD Media player since it can do the .mkv thing
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Originally Posted by Chris_CA View Post

None of the hype was generated by Apple.

Jobs said it was the most important thing he had done.
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Originally Posted by Carmissimo View Post

A couple of thoughts. One is that Apple nailed the most important detail, namely price.

The basic model with 16G and no 3G will still be quite useful for many of us. That Apple got the pricing right and still will deliver a good quality, decent-sized screen, is rather impressive.

The other thought is that this device could, potentially, help bring about a resurgence in the popularity of the desktop. A desktop system in combination with the iPad makes a lot of sense. More portable than a laptop and with better battery life. By not trying to be a computer that happens to work anywhere, the device eliminates some of the trade-offs that laptops impose on us. At the same time, it is a handy product that does a lot of what people were in fact using laptops for.

Compared to a PC netbook, this thing will look good. My netbook can barely deliver two hours of battery life and it has a significantly inferior display. It's running inferior technology (no LED backlighting or IPS) and a resolution of 1024X600 compared to the iPad's 1024X768. The iPad is more money but also a higher-quality device all around. Also, longer battery life means fewer charge cycles and that means the battery will take a lot longer to wear out and require replacing. Over the long haul, that could offset the initial higher price.

This device will be very successful because Apple gets it, especially when it comes to price. As a shareholder, I'm quite pleased.

Excellent points. I won't be in the market for a new computer for another year and a half or so, but when I do, it's going to be goodbye laptop, hello iMac / iPad combo.
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I wonder how long it will take after the release for it to be jailbroken.

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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Yep. IMO, that relegates it to toy status. But for $499, it looks like a fun toy.

Agreed completely. Android Tablets will multitask like crazy once higher end models with 1GHz + CPUs are introduced.

If nothing else though, the iPad is great for competition.
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Originally Posted by beakernx01 View Post

Here's a thought. If I already have an iPhone for which I pay AT&T $30/month for UNLIMITED data, I think I shouldn't have to pay again to get UNLIMITED data, or any data, on the iPad. My reasoning is this. If you are using your iPad, it's unlikely you will be using your iPhone simultaneously. I suppose you could get a phone call while you're on your iPad, but that's not data, that's voice. So technically, I'm still only using one stream of data at a time on an Apple 3G device on the AT&T network. On stream of data = one UNLIMITED data plan. Anyone buying this logic?


Just take the SIM from your iPhone and plug it into the 'Pad. No? Not compatible? Thanks Steve!
post #451 of 779
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Originally Posted by zanshin View Post


Let's face it, nothing it's missing can't be added in a HW/OS update or thru an app.

I think that was true of my Apple //c, as well.
post #452 of 779
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Originally Posted by Carmissimo View Post

t that does a lot of what people were in fact using laptops for.

Compared to a PC netbook, this thing will look good. My netbook can barely deliver two hours of battery life and it has a significantly inferior display. It's running inferior technology (no LED backlighting or IPS) and a resolution of 1024X600 compared to the iPad's 1024X768. The iPad is more money but also a higher-quality device all around. Also, longer battery life means fewer charge cycles and that means the battery will take a lot longer to wear out and require replacing. Over the long haul, that could offset the initial higher price.

This device will be very successful because Apple gets it, especially when it comes to price. As a shareholder, I'm quite pleased.

Carmissimo, most newer netbooks today have full 720p LED, but the IPS in the iPad will obviously have far better color and viewing angles. It's a trade-off of resolution versus quality, but the iPad's res. is about right for a multi-touch 10" LCD.

Also, the iPad's CPU is not higher quality than the newer Atom chips and certainly not the AMD Neo with integrated ATi graphics. The latter will actually do basic 1080p and modern gaming (at lower res.).
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Very good analysis from Pogue: http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/...t-impressions/

The guy gets to the point.

Thanks for the link. As evidenced by some of the things said here, it is too bad a lot can't read.
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Looks like I'll be jailbreaking an iPad. I've been holding off on an Touch until I knew what we'd see. No reason to have both. Used to use my Touch at work mainly just for web, mail, sms and simple things as the machine does it's job. It's light and portable, so, basicly not cumbersome like a laptop. Add vonage and a BT headset to the 3g and bam. It's a deal

Now it's time to think hard where a person would carry this on them. I'll have to get some t-shirts and put a big pocket on the front of them. If they could have taken 5/8" off both long sides it would fit in a hoodie pocket very well.
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this will definitely make those VNC and remote desktop iPHone apps much more appealing!!!!!
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I haven't heard anything about the Adobe apps. PS is already available on the App Store, but has there been any word on Illustrator or InDesign?

In the old days, Apple would dare debut something like this without Adobe at the demo.
How the mighty have fallen.

I would imagine Cocoa competitors like Lineform must have an edge here. Can they capitalize?

Capitalize on what? There's no market for professional level image editing, vector based illustration, or page layout on the i-devices. I've never understood why people think that people who use design software want to use it on a tiny screen by poking at it with our fingers. Keyboard shortcuts (or functions mapped to Wacom buttons), dozens of palettes and layers, and image sizes and rendering that make a 8-core Mac Pro churn aren't very practical on an i-device.
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Originally Posted by scavanger View Post

Sigh... still no flash plug in eh? Talk about useless then.

Yeah, just like that pathetic "iPhone" thing!
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

That's all it appears to be good for. Super casual computing. The iWork stuff looks like it would be really frustrating as does the paint app. Phil - "the best word processor ever"??? Anything that requires a lot of precision is going to be a pain in the ass trying to accomplish on that device. Just like the iPhone is frustrating for composing long emails, cut and paste or getting the cursor where you want it. And if you are going to leave it attached to the keyboard, you might as well have a MacBook. Of course it is a bit less expensive but so is a crappy Windows PC. You get what you pay for I guess.

Composing long emails, cutting and pasting - use the optional keyboard... duh!
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I wonder how long it will take after the release for it to be jailbroken.

Um .... they come "jailbroken".
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Originally Posted by rhowarth View Post

This looks like it could be a VERY interesting consumer device.

Sure, tablets in one form or another have been around for ages, but they were the kind of thing spotty faced geeks might play with for a bit and soon get bored with because they couldn't do anything useful with them, not the sort of thing your wife or g/f or kids or mom will be lusting after and putting top of their Christmas lists for the next few years, and trust me, they WILL lust after the iPad. Big time. Minimalist styling and a silky smooth design that fits smoothly in the hand is EXACTLY what they want. Better start saving now...

"Only a big iPod Touch"... right. So what from a marketing perspective is wrong with that? Any idea exactly how many iPods are out there, and how many millions and millions of people are already familiar with the interface? Not to mention 100,000 apps available for it from day one.

No camera and video iChat? This is the 1st gen device, they're here for the long haul. And that's before you factor in things like eBooks and micropayments for magazine subscriptions.

I too was a bit underwhelmed when I first saw the specs, but the more I think about it the more convinced I am this will be HUGE and that in 3 or 4 years the iPad will be as ubiquitous as iPods are today.

Totally agree with ya. All the tech-geeks here were just wanting something for themselves, which when pooling their wildest wet dreams, couldn't come up with a feature set that would please them all.

I'll be buying both my parents and my in-laws one... absolutely perfect for them.

As for me... maybe... but I'm a tech geek with a MBP and a MacPro monster. IF I have to do more presentations, or showing of concepts, that I decide not to print out before hand, this would do the trick nicely... and actually better than lugging the MBP (17").
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Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post

Jobs said it was the most important thing he had done.

As a non-brain dead CEO of a major company introducing a major new product, that is exactly what you'd expect him to say. If you're taken in by that sort of thing, I feel badly for you - you must get disappointed a lot in life.
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Um .... they come "jailbroken".

No, they come unlocked - jailbroken refers to breaking the Apple App store monopoly - which is still firmly in place.
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Jobs said it was the most important thing he had done.

It might still be. It might redefine the way people interact with their electronics in the home. As it is now, so many people have desktop computers capable of doing so much more than what they actually use it for & whenever they do, the form factor automatically puts them into an "office/work" mode - sitting at a desk/table staring at an immobile screen. And try curling up on the couch with a laptop - not comfy or intimate at all.

As I was saying to someone earlier - the revolution here is not in what this thing does, but how it does it. The iPhone was ground-breaking for the same reason: people love their iPhones because of the way in which they interact with them and what that means to their end-user experience. This is something that the Apple folks have always grasped much better than anyone else.

Oh yeah - the Jobs quote was second/third hand at best, so take that for what it's worth.
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Um .... they come "jailbroken".

Ummm...NO they don't. Steve said they were unlocked. Unlocking is not jailbreaking. You must jailbreak to unlock, but you don't have to unlock if you jailbreak.

Unlocking is removing the requirement to use the device on a specific carrier.

Jailbreaking is removing the artificial lockdown of features and ability to use non-Apple approved AppStore applications on your device.

Two different beasts altogether.

It appears this device, with its requirement to sync with iTunes, and the fact that it uses iTunes AppStore apps, is clearly NOT jailbroken out of the box.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

As a non-brain dead CEO of a major company introducing a major new product, that is exactly what you'd expect him to say. If you're taken in by that sort of thing, I feel badly for you - you must get disappointed a lot in life.

Ben said that in reply to the statement that Apple created none of the hype so your comment is not on point there (and way too pissy.)

He may have reasonably said it (I think he might be right) but even so, he did not say it publicly, others quoted him and then published so Ben is not right either...
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Just take the SIM from your iPhone and plug it into the 'Pad. No? Not compatible? Thanks Steve!

Then you'd have no phone. Smart move iGenius.
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Capitalize on what? There's no market for professional level image editing, vector based illustration, or page layout on the i-devices. I've never understood why people think that people who use design software want to use it on a tiny screen by poking at it with our fingers. Keyboard shortcuts (or functions mapped to Wacom buttons), dozens of palettes and layers, and image sizes and rendering that make a 8-core Mac Pro churn aren't very practical on an i-device.

Good one. Did ya catch the "pro designer" that posted, and wanted a "a device with 2000+ levels of pressure sensitivity so he could draw, design and do photo-retouching on the tablet". He's very disappointed and will not buy this piece of crap they call the iPad.

It's a connected entertainment and consumption device, just as I said it would be. The iWork apps are a definite bonus... but most people won't need/buy them... maybe Keynote.
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Didn't Sculley have the same sentiments about the Newton?
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The numbers will work themselves out, all the other products on the market, your Archos, Joojoo's, we'll see which product takes off and moves the market, will it be the iPad? only time will tell. If there is any multimedia device I purchase, it will be the iPad. Nothing else compares.

The iPad is definitely comparable with Archos 9
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Crap or not, there are a zillion sites using the plugin, and it's the best option available for 2d based webgames or interactive presentations. The only reason uncle Steve doesn't want Flash, is that he knows that a lot of videos and games will be available, bypassing his AppStore.




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I watch a video in Flash and it uses 80% cpu and same video in Quicktime uses 30%. If you support Flash, you associate yourself with crap.
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I spend quite a while typing while I surf, for example, what are you doing now?

I don't consider frequent participation in forums to be "surfing". I guess it is, technically, but I think of "surfing" as more of reading-ony of sites. I'm sure those who have better things to do with their time than we geeks who populate these forums will think that the iPad surfs just fine.

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Jobs said it was the most important thing he had done.

Did Jobs actually say that? You heard him say that? Or was it just one of the rumors floating around the last week or two? I honestly don't know, do you?
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iPad? Who were the geniuses that came up with that name? Did they not know that millions of women refer to their tampons as pads? Does the iPad have wings? Can you swim in it? WTF!?
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Haven't used an Apple product since Apple ][e. I don't like proprietary and Apple has a hard time letting you use anything without their name on it, so I never bought any.

I was hoping this would be an overgrown iPod Touch and NOT a shrunk notebook. It is!!!

An open ebook format? very unApple, I like it. Unlocked 3G? very unApple, awesome.

This finally gives me the form factor I need for crusing the house reading email and trolling forums without all the other crap. If I want to do computer stuff I'll use my computer. This is not intended to be a sole computing device, it's a niche device.

Apple is getting my money again for the first time since 1983. :-)
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Have your say and share your thoughts. Would you buy and Ipad. Let us know here http://www.techreviewonlineforum.com...forum-f18.html

Nice try junior... go get your cookies and milk.
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Originally Posted by Katonah View Post

Elegance is unimportant
Quality is irrelevant
Design is meaningless
Value is only definable in dollars
Simplicity equals mediocrity.

Yes, THANK GOD for the geniuses that have been so kind to inform me today of how stupid and wasteful this and all Apple products are!!!

I agree, excellent post.

My first reaction was 'ZOMG look at the bezel'... but only took 1 second to realize the importance of it.
Won't buy rev 1. Never buy rev 1 anything is my motto.

Missing a few things - most important being a usb port. I'd like to be able to connect my digital camera to it.
Was also hoping for iChat features.

By the time Rev 2 comes out... I'm sure there will be a growing ecosystem around it with apps and 3rd party items (oh someone please design a hand strap so you don't have to hold it).
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[CENTER]Like I said, I'll be buying one ASAP, but...

I really do wish that the iPad at least had:

1. a modern display aspect ratio (16x9 or16x10)

2. at least a front facing camera for video conferencing.

3. a media card reader of some sort

It's not like even the lowliest of (US 250.00) netbooks is lacking these modern computing device essentials.

Oh Well... That's Apple For Ya'

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Please stop that idiotic posting with center-aligned text.
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Finally!

And so the tablet revolution begins . . .

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the desk top line dies and the ipad takes over
ipad ?? weird name ??? i wonder what we will really call it ??


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Missing a few things - most important being a usb port. I'd like to be able to connect my digital camera to it.

There is a dock to usb adapter that will be available.
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This thing has one of the highest quality displays going - IPS. So why not include an SD card slot and make it incredibly useful for digital photographers in the field?

But I guess that would make it just so much easier to put your own non-revenue-generating content on it

lol - yes, and why not a CF slot? Oh wait -there is one available as an adapter. A case by case personal requirement does not make something a necessity. Apple have already spotted this use, and you can connect your camera or an SD card via a small adapter. Simples.

This is a device for a casual home user of music, video and the net. That is has the potential to do more is fantastic, but not the primary niche that this device fills.

You want something more powerful for graphics, buy a cintiq, you want something to make calls? Get an iPhone. Wanna browse the web, check yr email, listen to music, read books and watch videos from the comfort of your seat - get an iPad.
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iPad? Who were the geniuses that came up with that name? Did they not know that millions of women refer to their tampons as pads? Does the iPad have wings? Can you swim in it? WTF!?




And just a minor correction...women do not call their tampons pads...tampons are inserted into the *ahem*...pads are applied as a sponge/liner outside of the *ahem* and called pads for short instead of "sanitary napkins". (My ex-wife used to send me to the store for them..LOL)
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