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Originally Posted by tsad23 View Post

Wonder what dell is going to do with their pathetic 5in tablet without the benefit of the app store behind it?

Doesn't it run Win7? There is no need for "an" appstore - there are zillions of them all over the internets.

That's a huge problem with the iOS: There's only one place to get apps.
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This product may be great for what it is aimed for (entertainement black holes) but it seems to be designed almost as an App Store's extension and that makes Apple's greedy/totalitarian/populist evolution only more obvious...

Precisely. It is just another way for Apple to sell content to locked-in buyers. If it can play all normal media formats, I will admit my mistake. But at this point, running the dumbed-down iOS, I expect it to be just as limited in content consumption as the iPhone. IOW, it is a toy, and not a real computer.
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You're right if the iPad were meant to be a true computing tablet, but it isn't.

I'm also right if the 'Pad was supposed to be a game-changing device. Or if the 'Pad was supposed to be better for some things than a netbook.

IMO, it fails using any of the three criteria we have mentioned.

Yesterday, I thought it was pretty cool as a web-surfing couch accessory.

But last night I was sitting on the couch with my laptop, watching the State of the Union, downloading content, surfing the 'web, and occasionally getting interrupted by my son's open AIM app. And then I realized: No multitasking means that the thing is practically useless for what I want/need.
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Originally Posted by stevegmu View Post

I want my entertainment devices to work well be fast, and have a long battery life. Multitasking is for computers; the iPad is not a computer. Sure the Android wannabe iPad tablet will tout having 50 apps open at once. They won't tell you the batty will only last 30 minutes doing so, however.

So are you saying that the lack of functionality is a GOOD THING? A feature? An added benefit?

Stock answer No. 372?
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It really needed a single new app to come with it. Not that the improvements to the existing iPhone/Mac apps were nothing, but still. I suppose iBooks was it.

Yep. Pretty disappointing. iBook looks like a "me too" copy of established ereader software, right down to the stolen bookshelf paradigm.
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I'm also right if the 'Pad was supposed to be a game-changing device. Or if the 'Pad was supposed to be better for some things than a netbook.

IMO, it fails using any of the three criteria we have mentioned.

Yesterday, I thought it was pretty cool as a web-surfing couch accessory.

But last night I was sitting on the couch with my laptop, watching the State of the Union, downloading content, surfing the 'web, and occasionally getting interrupted by my son's open AIM app. And then I realized: No multitasking means that the thing is practically useless for what I want/need.

OK - it's not for you - however, I don't think it was ever going to be a game-changing device. It is (and was designed to be) a device for the consumer - not the computer/laptop user.
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

So are you saying that the lack of functionality is a GOOD THING? A feature? An added benefit?

Stock answer No. 372?

Apologies - I should have included the following in my Stock answer

from Wilson Rothman at Giz.
"We can sit here in our geeky little dorkosphere arguing about it all day, but as much as Apple clearly enjoys our participation, the people Jobs wants to sell this to don't read our rants. They can't even understand them. My step-mother refuses to touch computers, but nowadays checks email, reads newspapers and plays Solitaire on an iPod Touch, after basically picking it up by accident one day. That's a future iPad user if I ever saw one.
Jobs doesn't care about the netbook business, or the ebook business. He's just aiming for the same people they were aiming at. The difference is, he's going to reach them. And the fight will be with whoever enters into the tablet business with him. Paging Mr. Ballmer..."
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post #608 of 779
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Originally Posted by MacAdict View Post

awesome tablet device, I can easily see myself buying the 32gb wifi version and it be great for college, completely replace what most people use netbooks for. you can get pages, calendar, buying the books u need and read them on the device, research things on the web, copy and paste to ur document, all this while listening to ur music collection or radio through pandora.

Nope. It doesn't multitask. It cannot walk and chew gum at the same time, nor can it do any of the things you identify at the same time.
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Originally Posted by OzExige View Post

OK - it's not for you - however, I don't think it was ever going to be a game-changing device. It is (and was designed to be) a device for the consumer - not the computer/laptop user.

So was iSteve full of it when he said it was the most important thing he'd ever done?

And what sort of fictional dichotomy are you constructing with the "consumer" on one side and the "computer/laptop user" on the other? As far as I know, the overlap between the two approaches 100%.
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Originally Posted by OzExige View Post

Apologies - I should have included the following in my Stock answer

from Wilson Rothman at Giz.
"We can sit here in our geeky little dorkosphere arguing about it all day, but as much as Apple clearly enjoys our participation, the people Jobs wants to sell this to don't read our rants. They can't even understand them. My step-mother refuses to touch computers, but nowadays checks email, reads newspapers and plays Solitaire on an iPod Touch, after basically picking it up by accident one day. That's a future iPad user if I ever saw one.
Jobs doesn't care about the netbook business, or the ebook business. He's just aiming for the same people they were aiming at. The difference is, he's going to reach them. And the fight will be with whoever enters into the tablet business with him. Paging Mr. Ballmer..."

OK, fine. It is a device suitable for folks who refuse to touch a computer. It is a device for them, and not us?

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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

So was iSteve full of it when he said it was the most important thing he'd ever done?

And what sort of fictional dichotomy are you constructing with the "consumer" on one side and the "computer/laptop user" on the other? As far as I know, the overlap between the two approaches 100%.

I disagree - the Consumer(s) are some of (lets say 10% = about 10M in a year) the 30M odd people that purchased iPods/iPhones last quarter.
the computer/laptop User(s) are those of us that can't get it 'all' done without at least 4g of ram.
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Yep. Apple may have jumped the shark with this one...

As far as I've seen, the only thing Apple said before the product launch was "Come see our latest creation." Everything else you've heard in the build-up was from rumor sites. You really can't blame Apple for that. I thought Jobs's intro was surprisingly humble, in fact: "We're not sure if there's room for a new product between the smartphone and the notebook, but we thought we'd try it and find out." (paraphrasing)

I agree with earlier posters mentioning this would be great for their parents or grandparents. My aunt always has her six-year-old iBook in her lap, just idly surfing the web, whenever she watches TV. This would be perfect for her. These people don't care about tech specs or multitasking. I'm not saying a lack of multitasking is good, I'm saying that for most users, it's irrelevant.

For myself, if I weren't already set up with a MacBook Pro and an iPod touch, I might want to get an iPad and an iMac instead. If I had an iPad now, it would be hard to decide which device to bring to different events. It's just another option. It might replace one or another of these devices for different people, but it's not meant to replace all of them.

I see this with almost every product launch -- a lot of really focused tech geeks showing outrage that the latest product doesn't have a few of their most anticipated features. Meanwhile Apple takes in billions of dollars selling their products to people who can still see the forest for the trees.
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The complaints here are just silly. For example, who wants a rear-facing camera in a device that’s 8″ x 12″? Are you really going to take pictures with something that size?

The problem is that people had absurd expectations. The iPad isn’t for everyone, but for a lot of people, it will be great. For example, I’m going to buy one as soon as it’s out and use it to present information to customers at trade shows. It’s far more convenient than having a conventional notebook.

As for the netbook comparison, that’s silly. As near as I can tell, this is superior in almost every way – unless you’re typing a novel, and even then, the iPad with external keyboard probably beats the netbook’s cramped keyboard.

Kindle? Under some lighting conditions, Kindle will be superior, but for all-around use, I’d go with the iPad (particularly for magazines and textbooks where color is important).

Bezel? Apple had two choices - run the picture right to the edge (in which case your hands would cover part of the picture and you'd activate things by mistake) or have a bezel. I prefer the bezel.

The multitasking complaints are just plain wrong, as well. First, like the iPhone, it WILL multitask with Apple apps. Thus, you can check the email while using Skype to converse with someone. More importantly, my DVD player doesn't multitask, either. Who cares? Do you really expect to be playing Mario Chases Rodents while reading a book or while preparing a book report? I sure don't want to trade off the battery life and performance for a theoretical advantage with no real benefit.

Those of you saying it's no more than an iPod Touch obviously have no imagination. iWork alone changes things immensely (see above). Not to mention that there are things that are practical on a 10" screen that just don't make sense on a 3.5" screen.

And for those of you whining about 'missing' slots, you might as well complain about the fact that it doesn't have a floppy drive. The thing is 1/2" thick - just how many slots do you expect to fit in there? And why should Apple include them standard when 99% of users don't care. If you really need USB, there's an adapter, but I can't see myself ever using it.

You can’t please everyone – and fortunately Apple knows enough not to try. Don’t confuse “I don’t want one of these” with “No one will want one of these”
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post #614 of 779
When I try to figure out a role for it, my brain always comes down to its too big to replace an iPod touch and too limited to replace a Macbook. The only thing I'd really want it for would be an iBook reader, but its twice as much (minimum) as the kindle and I'm not so sure that feature won't end up on the next generation of iPhone and iPod touch.

When it comes right down to it.
-Can't run multiple applications.
-Can't watch hulu because of a complete lack of flash. Yes, it sucks, but many many things use it.
-Can't do video conferencing
-Too big to fit in your pocket.
I'm sure there will be some kind of market for it, but unless something drastically changes with the next one, I just don't see this being the next big thing. I wouldn't mind having one, but its a complete luxury item behind Macs and iPhones.
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Originally Posted by d1sciple View Post

In terms of who will buy this I think it makes most students needs for a laptop completely irrelevant as you can do all the functions you need to write essays, look at pdf files etc but you can also use the device as an entertainment device. It also has flexibility for the needs of business with easy use for presentations with the vga output dongle as just two markets to exploit at the moment.

No student is going to churn out a 5000 worder on an iPad... if they try I suspect the last few hundred words may be written with the blood of their cracked and dismembered finger tips.

Assuming they have parents that have enough money to buy them one, it would be more likely they'll sit under a tree or lay in bed reading textbooks and researching on the internet using the iPad before going back to an iMac\\Macbook to actually write the essay.


For business... well some maybe. Assuming the iPad actually supports whatever you have written the presentation in it would be fine. However you won't be creating the presentation using the iPad, which would essentially make it a $499 input device for your projector. Something the higher up execs would go for, but I can't see many businesses accepting it across the board.
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Originally Posted by applebook View Post

Kindle loving upper-middle-class wasps will love this thing, but I am not neither upper-middle-class nor a wasp.


Wow, you managed to roll class, ethnicity and religion into one bigoted sentence there. Congrats.

I guess in your world African-Americans, Catholics, Jews, Asians, Indians, rich people, middle class folks, etc don't like to read or surf the web, huh? Nice place.
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

New here? Think Bizarro World from Superman. Some folks here are happy as pigs in muck that, for example, the iPhone will not multitask.

And other folks (like you, obviously) are content to blather about things they don't understand.

The iPhone (like the iPad) multitasks just fine. It is limited and will not multitask multiple third party apps, but no one has given a rational reason why it would be worth the sacrifice in performance and battery life to do so.

You can go on the web while talking on the phone (Unlike Verizon phones, for example). You can listen to music while browsing the web or checking your email. You can check your email while playing a game. The complaint that the iPhone won't multitask is absolute proof of your ignorance - and lack of ability to learn.
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

I think you are right for most of us its just not ready for primetime yet. At least for me and I would say for many others the lack of multi-tasking is a major issue.

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced Apple will release an OS update with limited multi-tasking in March\\April. The iPad simply won't work for most people without it.
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For example, who wants a rear-facing camera in a device thats 8″ x 12″? Are you really going to take pictures with something that size?

Me and yes. There are stacks of good apps on the iPhone that would translate brilliantly to the larger screen that rely on the rear-facing camera. It's not required for core functionality though which is why it isn't in the beta iPad. There will be one in the Gen2 iPad.
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Originally Posted by applebook View Post

Not to mention the price difference between the Kindle and the iPad.

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Yes - try reading an LCD screen in direct sunlight vs e-ink.

Holy cow, have you ever used a Kindle? I demoed one for an hour and it refreshed every page like a 10 second train wreck. Amazon sure didn't solve that issue. My eyes yelled at me in five minutes. I'll take an LCD touch screen any day over that POS.

And people who need to chat, get email and read TMZ at the same time should just get an Asus. To be able to use a touch screen for graphics and audio editing will be fantastic, no matter how "lite" the software it uses is.
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This is a really neat looking device. However, I've been scratching my head at the question: Who is the real intended target market for this thing?

It is not a kindle-killer, for two very simple reasons:
1) Battery life is far inferior;
2) This screen (LED backlit, high gloss) will not facilitate easy, comfortable and prolonged reading.

This is not marketed to the iPhone and iPod users/owners. In fact, maybe some people who own those devices will purchase this as a novelty, but for the most part people who own iPhones and iPods (assuming they also have a computer) can already do everything the iPad does, and more.

This will not be directly marketed to the dedicated businessperson. Maybe it can function as something for them to read the newspaper in the morning, but that's about it. From an ergonomic perspective, this device is meant to sit on your lap, not on a desk, because the screen is not tiltable. Thus, people in offices will not be working in droves on their iPads.

I think this device will most likely work to attract the niche who own desktops and have not yet migrated to laptops.

People who have a desktop to run their bulkier, more dedicated programs specific to their professional and personal needs will want a laptop-like device that is cheap, fast, and focused on the things they want to do on the go: Write emails, surf the web, watch videos, etc. The iPad is best for that.

I will be curious to see, once all the excited Apple faithfuls have purchased the first batch of these things, who will the iPad really be marketed to?

Whether you love the device or not, at this point I bet we can all reach a consensus that Apple is walking a very fine line with the iPad and their risk of failure is greater than it has been in a long time. I hope they market this thing well, and target the right people.
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The iPhone (like the iPad) multitasks just fine. It is limited and will not multitask multiple third party apps, but no one has given a rational reason why it would be worth the sacrifice in performance and battery life to do so.

And no one has given a rational reason why it would not be worth the MINIMAL sacrifice in performance and battery life to multitask a couple of 3rd party apps.

More importantly no one has given a rational reason why it shouldn't be the user's choice. Let me decide what amount of trade off in battery I am willing to make to multitask some apps I feel the need to run simultaneously. Is that really that unreasonable a request?

I love the way the Nexus One multitasks, but I learned after just a few days what apps I need to not let run in the background on it. I'm smart enough to figure that out on my iPhone as well (jailbroken and multitasking a few 3rd party apps just fine with not big hit on battery).

Apple could easily make this an advanced option toggle deep inside settings, turned off by default. Mom and Pop wouldn't even look for it or miss it...geeks who want it can find it and turn it on. Everyone's happy that way. What's wrong with that?

Beyond a blind devotion with the attitude that Apple can do no wrong when it comes to decisions, I can't see anyone reasonably arguing that user choice isn't the best way to go if the hardware supports multitasking.
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It is not a kindle-killer, for two very simple reasons:

2) This screen (LED backlit, high gloss) will not facilitate easy, comfortable and prolonged reading.

I don't buy that argument.

I stare at my glossy MacBook Pro screen up to 12 hours per day sometimes. Most of that time is spent doing guess what...READING. Reading blogs, reading news, reading forums, reading email, reading IM messages. Reading, reading, reading, and reading.

Doesn't seem to be a problem for me and millions of others reading/surfing the web on our MacBooks. I don't suffer eye strain or other discomforts.

edit: Okay, I'll admit that this type of reading probably has frequent breaks I don't even realize, unlike reading a novel which will be your main focus for extended time periods, but I still think the e-Ink vs backlit LCD display arguments are overplayed.
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The iPhone (like the iPad) multitasks just fine. It is limited and will not multitask multiple third party apps, but no one has given a rational reason why it would be worth the sacrifice in performance and battery life to do so.

The iPhone can either multi-task fine or it can't, make up your mind.

Every time I listen to music whilst checking email I degrade performance and battery life. That is a choice I make and to me it is worth it.

Having a chat client, Pandora or Skype running in the background of the iPad whilst I browse the web or read a magazine would obviously degrade performance and battery life, but once again that is a trade off I would make to ensure the iPad is actually useful.

I think the entire argument is moot anyway. The ability to multi-task third party apps will be in the iPad. Maybe not on the release date but soon after. Is would just be too great a risk for Apple to leave it out.
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There should probably be a moratorium on speculation about the "iPad vs. Kindle" battle until we all have the chance to read a 600 page book on both devices, and report back on our comfort levels.
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It is not a kindle-killer, for two very simple reasons:
1) Battery life is far inferior;
2) This screen (LED backlit, high gloss) will not facilitate easy, comfortable and prolonged reading.

I remember seeing an LCD that could flick between back lit (i.e. iPad) and front lit (i.e. Kindle) screen at CES.

Remember this is iPad beta, not a final product. The true kindle-killer screen may find its way into iPad gen 2 or 3.
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I think Steve Job and company are master psychologists, and the most vocal critics fall prey to their ruse. First create hype which can not possibly be met. Second, make a product but hold back some key features (with the understanding that a even the most perfection product will be met with harsh criticism). Third before the actual product release, or after the first generation product, reintroduce the most key features that critics have been most vocal about.

Critics become neutered. In fact with Apple style Jujitsu, the critics become ardent supporters because their voice was heard. The critics have not yet realized that they are being played.

By the way, ipad looks great. It will become indispensable in the healthcare world as the government is mandating electonic medical records (multi-billion dollar business), both as hand held electonic chart and medical image viewing station. With modifications it can be ecg machine, and possibly sonography machine.

College students will demand it as a replacement for text books. It will also be the wireless passport to your home entertainment center to control TV and stereo. You will find it in restaurants, carried by waiters who put in your orders wireless. Military applications are obvious. Store clerks will complete your credit card purchase with a modified Ipads. Make a docking station for the car dash, plug it in the speakers and you have a music/video/GPS touchscreen device better than anything on the automarket at a fraction of the cost.

While not as powerful as a laptop, Ipad will be the blank canvas to do whatever you want with it. No opening laptops, waiting for it to turn on. No need for a desk or table to work the computer, it will be in your hand anytime with touch screen ready to go. It will be the interface between information/data and the user. The potential is there, it just need developers to see the opportunities to make a boat load of money. Get cracking.

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This is a really neat looking device. However, I've been scratching my head at the question: Who is the real intended target market for this thing?

It is not a kindle-killer, for two very simple reasons:
1) Battery life is far inferior;
2) This screen (LED backlit, high gloss) will not facilitate easy, comfortable and prolonged reading.

This is not marketed to the iPhone and iPod users/owners. In fact, maybe some people who own those devices will purchase this as a novelty, but for the most part people who own iPhones and iPods (assuming they also have a computer) can already do everything the iPad does, and more.

This will not be directly marketed to the dedicated businessperson. Maybe it can function as something for them to read the newspaper in the morning, but that's about it. From an ergonomic perspective, this device is meant to sit on your lap, not on a desk, because the screen is not tiltable. Thus, people in offices will not be working in droves on their iPads.

I think this device will most likely work to attract the niche who own desktops and have not yet migrated to laptops.

People who have a desktop to run their bulkier, more dedicated programs specific to their professional and personal needs will want a laptop-like device that is cheap, fast, and focused on the things they want to do on the go: Write emails, surf the web, watch videos, etc. The iPad is best for that.

I will be curious to see, once all the excited Apple faithfuls have purchased the first batch of these things, who will the iPad really be marketed to?

Whether you love the device or not, at this point I bet we can all reach a consensus that Apple is walking a very fine line with the iPad and their risk of failure is greater than it has been in a long time. I hope they market this thing well, and target the right people.

My guess is that this will sell like hot cakes. I am what I consider a power user and I will not use this device to do my work. For that I require something much more powerful with lots of RAM and large HD. But at home, most of the computer use is surfing, games on the iphone / ipod touch, school work for the kids, reading (my wife has been wanting some kind of e-reader for ages), and emailing. All of which the iPad does beautifully by all accounts. This thing will live in the living room and will be used by everybody, all the time. My wife and kids have already started arguing about who is going to use it when and for what. Guess what will happen? When I finally get around to buying computers for the kids, why would I get anything else?

Everyone is dissing this thing for months yet everyone has been singing the praises of pc net books. Just view this as a net book that is also an oversize iPod Touch (I don't see that it is a large iPod Touch as a fault - on the contrary).

So who is this for? Everybody who uses a computer casually at home, to start with. As the product and apps mature it will wind its way into many situations where people have to walk and input data at the same time (eg hospitals). It is already featured in sail magazines - give it a gps and it will be a no brainer. 90% students? also a no brainer.

In my view, laptops and stationary computers are looking long in the tooth for digital media consumption and relatively light content input and creation. I think the concept of 'a computer' as perceived by tecnoheads is disappearing from 'normal' people's lives. The idea that the kids congregate around the the pc in the 'computer room' is going. crowding around a laptop with poor viewing angles and awkward mouse or touch pad input is going. It may not be the 'revolution' people here were after ('hello - earth calling!') but it will change the way we interact with digital media in the future. So, who is it for? The short answer is 'everybody'.
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Once again the forum is full of non believers. This thing is gonna sell like hot cakes. I have seen the future and it is pad shaped.
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nice post
my 3 cts >> multi tasking in todays form is a battery killer and slows every thing down
apple wants a fast simple housewife proof device . people want what todays chips can't give us >>yet

if you want 5 things open and running at full speed at once then a MBP is for you

yet in the back ground all apple product multi task .. they also multi thread , in the dark thou

peace 9

But what if I want to have the browser open on one window and a notepad or game open on another? There's certainly more than enough real estate on the screen for both to be displayed at the same time.

Once you have a product with a screen large enough to comfortably display more than one application at once, it's almost a given need to be able to multitask or it's just a real waste. I don't think there's a single program out there in the App Store that requires the full attention of a 1 Ghz processor.

And multitasking is not as bad of a battery killer as you make it out to be. My BlackBerry, with is relatively smaller battery, has no problems making it through a full day of data intensive use. I regularily have 10 (give or take) apps open at any one time and some of these are BlackBerry OS native that I can't shut off. Are you telling me that the multitasking would bring the iPad, with its much bigger battery and better processor, to it's knees?

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Once again the forum is full of non believers. This thing is gonna sell like hot cakes. I have seen the future and it is pad shaped.

Good! That means that we won't be limited to just Apple's version of the tablet. I like choices.
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Remember this is iPad beta, not a final product. The true kindle-killer screen may find its way into iPad gen 2 or 3.

That's right...every new hardware release by Apple is "beta"...NEVER buy a first run, first gen Apple product unless you're willing to put up with glitches and bugs and missing features.

Funny how so few other companies get a pass on this type of release plan.
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Originally Posted by rollerborges View Post

It might still be. It might redefine the way people interact with their electronics in the home. As it is now, so many people have desktop computers capable of doing so much more than what they actually use it for & whenever they do, the form factor automatically puts them into an "office/work" mode - sitting at a desk/table staring at an immobile screen. And try curling up on the couch with a laptop - not comfy or intimate at all.

As I was saying to someone earlier - the revolution here is not in what this thing does, but how it does it. The iPhone was ground-breaking for the same reason: people love their iPhones because of the way in which they interact with them and what that means to their end-user experience. This is something that the Apple folks have always grasped much better than anyone else.

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I think you hit the nail on the head. It's what it can do, it's how you interact with it.
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Originally Posted by dacloo View Post

Crap or not, there are a zillion sites using the plugin, and it's the best option available for 2d based webgames or interactive presentations. The only reason uncle Steve doesn't want Flash, is that he knows that a lot of videos and games will be available, bypassing his AppStore.

You might have a point there.
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That's right...every new hardware release by Apple is "beta"...NEVER buy a first run, first gen Apple product unless you're willing to put up with glitches and bugs and missing features.

Funny how so few other companies get a pass on this type of release plan.

The reason some of us here call it a "beta" is that it seems to be Apple's way for the first generation of a product they make.

Take the iPhone for example. No 3G, no MMS, no multitasking of third-party apps, no copy/paste when it was first introduced in 2007. It wasn't until the 3G that most of these features were added. And the iPhone 3GS just made things better. Some would argue that iPhone OS 3.0 should have been what was available for the iPhone back in 2007.

Why do other companies get a "pass" on this? They generally don't, if the product is really, really bad. But it's mostly that they release them with all the features us consumers ask for from the get-go. Sure the equivalent features may not be implemented as nicely as on Apple products, but they do work. And for some, just having the feature working from the beginning is much more important than waiting for Apple to get around to creating a "snazzy" way of making it work.
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In my view, laptops and stationary computers are looking long in the tooth for digital media consumption and relatively light content input and creation. I think the concept of 'a computer' as perceived by tecnoheads is disappearing from 'normal' people's lives. The idea that the kids congregate around the the pc in the 'computer room' is going. crowding around a laptop with poor viewing angles and awkward mouse or touch pad input is going.

Very interesting way to look at it. So much of computing is consumption rather than creation, it makes sense for the tools to be different. When I taught computer classes for seniors, I used to start with the Finder, organizing your files, etc. Then I realized, many users have nothing to organize because they aren't creating any files. Other users do create lots of things, but they aren't in "create" mode all the time. Anyway, I like the idea of computers becoming more integrated into daily activities and easier to share and interact with, as you describe.
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It is limited and will not multitask multiple third party apps, but no one has given a rational reason why it would be worth the sacrifice in performance and battery life to do so

For all the same reasons you run more than one app on any computer. Is that irrational? Or not specific enough?

How's this: I want to surf the web while waiting for an IM to come in, or while downloading a movie. Is that irrational?
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Let me decide what amount of trade off in battery I am willing to make to multitask some apps I feel the need to run simultaneously.

That is irrational. The rational perspective is that iSteve knows better than you do what you should be doing.
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Ummmm....is there any indication at all that this thing can print? If not, all that iWork stuff seems even less useful.

That's a good point, how will the files be transferred that you are working on? Wifi, iTunes connection?
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Every time I listen to music whilst checking email I degrade performance and battery life. That is a choice I make and to me it is worth it.


But, but, that is just...irrational!
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Greedy/totalitarian/populist? That's quite a business strategy!

The best strategy possible. It means they get to take all of your money by force and make you like it.
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