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Additional details on Apple's just-announced iPad continue to trickle out, with iPhone OS 3.2 being iPad-only for the time being, evidence of camera support in the software development kit, and the details behind its LED backlit screen with "IPS technology."

iPhone OS 3.2 hints at camera support, is iPad-only

Though the iPad, introduced by Apple Wednesday, does not include a camera, the iPhone OS 3.2 SDK "simulator" for creating software hints the shipping product could support a camera in some fashion. One developer told AppleInsider that the native Contacts application offers the option to take a photo, in addition to choosing an existing one.

The option could be a sign that the shipping product could support a camera, perhaps through an external attachment to the iPad's 30-pin connector port. Or, it could just be something carried over from the iPhone, which does have an integrated camera.

Currently, the iPhone OS 3.2 SDK simulator reportedly contains only two applications: Settings and Contacts. It also has added rich text support in the UITextInput that allows different fonts, sizes and more. The iPhone OS 3.2 SDK also allows video output to an external display through a dock connector.



In addition, an update to the iPhone developers Web site has revealed the new version, iPhone OS 3.2, is, for the moment, iPad-only.

"Note: iPhone OS 3.2 does not support iPhone and iPod touch devices," the document states. "It only runs on iPad."

The reveal of iPhone OS 3.2 confirms a report from earlier this week when an analytics firm revealed it had spotted 50 suspected iPads running the unreleased version of Apple's mobile operating system.

Apple's custom A4 processor pictured

Moments after Apple revealed the iPad would be powered by its custom A4 processor, iFixit provided an image of the internal component. The solutions provider said the A4 processor in Apple's video was manufactured during the last week of September 2009.

It also noted that ARM has had a "secret" licensee for years that is likely Apple and P.A. Semi, the fabless chip designer it purchased for $278 million in 2008. AppleInsider first reported in 2008 that Apple has licensed the ARM architecture for years.



When the iPad is released in the next two months, you can be sure iFixit will have a peek inside the device.

In-plane switching (IPS) LCD and other tidbits

Apple touted Wednesday that its new iPad tablet device features an LCD screen with IPS technology, stating that it displays pictures that are "remarkably crisp and vivid" on its 9.7-inch LED-backlit screen. IPS technology was developed by Hitachi in 1996 to improve viewing angles and color reproductions on screens.

The iPad does not support the unique 1700Mhz spectrum utilized by the T-Mobile 3G network in the U.S. So although the hardware is unlocked and could theoretically access T-Mobile's EDGE network, 3G connectivity will not be an option anywhere but AT&T in the U.S.

Much like the iPhone and iPod touch, the iPad does not have support for Adobe Flash. In fact, during Wednesday's keynote presentation, CEO Steve Jobs pulled up a Web site that had Flash embedded, and the missing plug-in icon was prominently displayed.

Quashing rumors that led up to Wednesday's event, the iPad also does not offer multi-tasking support for third-party applications.
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Everyone is crediting that A4 image to iFixit, when it's just a screenshot from the iPad video!

http://www.apple.com/ipad/#video


The user interfaces for the various iPad apps actually look pretty amazing. I agree that if i'm sitting on my couch or in bed then the iPad is probably indeed the best way of browsing the internet, checking quick email, etc - I think Apple have found the optimal casual computing device. But is it so much better than my iPhone that I'll buy one? Not sure!

As for multi-tasking, for me, the iPhone doesn't desperately need it. But the iPad has things like Pages and Numbers. If I'm to be doing any minor work on this thing I would probably want to be moving between apps (Mail, Pages, Numbers) to get things done. For that, it NEEDS multitasking. But, iPhone OS 4.0 with multitasking may be just around the corner anyway, so I'll hold my breath for now.

So yeah pretty slick - can't wait to try one out. For what it does, and at $499, you can't complain too much about lack of "full computer" features.

The only thing I personally don't love is the home screen - those little icons look a bit spread out and sparse - not as polished as the rest of the UI.
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The AT&T-only is a major shocker. Apple is screwing over their customers once again for guaranteed bank from AT&T. Really embarrassing.

The iPad will find its own level and should sell well, despite the current limitations.

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Of course, the iPad may eventually support multi-tasking, it may just be that they want to announce it first on the iPhone in June... I'm hoping. That's not to say that multi-tasking is _that_ important to me, just occasionally I'd like the option to be there.

It sounds like the iPad isn't AT&T only - it's unlocked, so you could use T-mobile, you just wouldn't get 3G. Over here in the UK, you've got a lot of choice with 4 major networks, the same with the rest of Europe and most of the world.

Random thought: Do the scaled-up iPhone apps suggest they've finally got resolution independence working, or is it cruder than that?
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Well, for me, the lack of a front facing camera is a real shame. The only thing that I was expecting to be able to do on the iPad (pre-announcement) but can't is iChat/Skype.

I'll definitely be getting one. Probably a 32GB with 3G. The only snag is the micro SIM issue. Ironically, AFAIK T-Mobile US are the only peeps who've announce micro SIM support. OTOH, a micro SIM is just a regular mini SIM with a bit more plastic cut away -- so I could happily hack at one of those with a Stanley knife. I like the whole PAYG aspect, 'cos the only time I'd really need the 3G is when on holiday -- I'd just buy whichever PAYG SIM gave me the best data deal for where I was visiting. Oh, and I'll need the SD card reader thingy too.

Other than that, the iPad seems pretty spot on for my needs. It fixes all the pain in the ass things that cause my Acer Aspire One to be sitting on s shelf somewhere gathering dust. That was a real waste of money.

As for multi-tasking. I'm pretty sure that'll come; but will probably be announced with the new iPhone/iPhone OS in June. I can wait! Hell, I've got to wait at least 3 months to get my iPad anyway!
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The musician community is going to go nuts for this device. Even the low-end wifi model would make an outstanding stage controller, 'turntable' or instrument.
The little toy musical instrument apps are pretty useless, but with this much screen real estate, I can think of a dozen 'instrument' applications off of the top of my head.

The only decision point for me is now '3G or not 3G' (that is the question.)
It might be worth the extra $150 to have GPS and the ability to sign up for 3G for, say, a vacation.
I always have my iPhone with me, so I don't need my entire music library, and I don't see this as a better solution for music anyway.
I see lots of apps,books, and a few movies at any given time. The 16G may actually provide what I need. Plus, popping for the low end will make me feel less silly when I inevitably get V3 with all the goodies we all know will show up.

I let myself get a bit too drawn into the geek wet dreams floating around here, and I'm thinking this is the first step of something really big. No one with any sense thinks its the ultimate destination yet. Other than the "GIMME GIMME GIMME NOOOWWWWWW" crowd.
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Of course, the iPad may eventually support multi-tasking, it may just be that they want to announce it first on the iPhone in June... I'm hoping. That's not to say that multi-tasking is _that_ important to me, just occasionally I'd like the option to be there.

That doesn't make sense. The time to demonstrate it would've been now with the iPad.

I'd sooner surmise that the next gen iPhone (OS) won't have multi-tasking. As far as Apple is concerned, there's no rush so long as people continue to buy the product.
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The AT&T-only is a major shocker. Apple is screwing over their customers once again for guaranteed bank from AT&T. Really embarrassing.

The iPad will find its own level and should sell well, despite the current limitations.

One word: Unlocked.
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I can't say multi-tasking worries me all that much. If an app can remember it's last state when you shut it down and re-open in the same condition (i.e. Pages would re-start with the document that was open the last time you shut it down), I can live without it.
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While the "Apple A4" most likely is ARM-based (I see absolutely no technical reason why is shouldn't be), it's curious to know that IBM has been developing a new PowerPC core named "A2". Coincidence? Probably,
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One word: Unlocked.

From the article...

"The iPad does not support the unique 1700Mhz spectrum utilized by the T-Mobile 3G network in the U.S. So although the hardware is unlocked and could theoretically access T-Mobile's EDGE network, 3G connectivity will not be an option anywhere but AT&T in the U.S."

So in US the unlocked means nothing....
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One word: Unlocked.

Actually two words: Unlocked & Optional
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

The AT&T-only is a major shocker. Apple is screwing over their customers once again for guaranteed bank from AT&T. Really embarrassing.

The iPad will find its own level and should sell well, despite the current limitations.

Where did you get the idea that it's AT&T only? The device is unlocked so it should be usable on any 3G network. AT&T is the only one that has announced a plan for it, but others will be sure to follow.
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I can't say multi-tasking worries me all that much. If an app can remember it's last state when you shut it down and re-open in the same condition (i.e. Pages would re-start with the document that was open the last time you shut it down), I can live without it.

Yeah but if you are working on a pages document and copying/pasting or referencing other sources (Mail, Safari, etc), do you really want to be constantly home-screening and opening and closing apps to get your document done?

No - you want to hit an Expose button and stop wasting time!

You're right in that a lack of true multi-tasking it's not a complete deal-breaker, but I think the iPad really could benefit from it (more so than the iPhone anyway)
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Re: Camera support

The official Apple iPad spec page has a camera adapter listed on the bottom under Accessories.

I do wish it was built in though. This thing looks like a dud

iPad Camera Connection Kit
The Camera Connection Kit gives you two ways to import photos and videos from a digital camera. The Camera Connector lets you import your photos and videos to iPad using the cameras USB cable. Or you can use the SD Card Reader to import photos and videos directly from the cameras SD card.

http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/
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Realistically the wifi only version is actually the better deal if you already have an iPhone. Just pair up the bluetooth tethering and use your data plan that way.

Lets face it it isn't meant to be a big iPhone and its not meant to be as robust as an Mac/MacBook. Its the middle ground.

As mentioned above musically if it can run a logic/ableton/protools style app it could be an awesome live device.

Plus from what i have seen from the keynote, its going to change the way we use computers for education/lecture notes and libraries.

Now to wait 2 long months
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Where did you get the idea that it's AT&T only? The device is unlocked so it should be usable on any 3G network. AT&T is the only one that has announced a plan for it, but others will be sure to follow.

unlocked is only of importance when you have other compatable networks available. Which there is not.
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post #18 of 99
Quite a few questions, aren't there...

* Will multitasking come with OS 4.0?
* What's inside the A4 chip?
* It plays 720p30 content - any way of getting that to a TV?
* Can the iPad tether to a regular mobile via bluetooth?
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The musician community is going to go nuts for this device. Even the low-end wifi model would make an outstanding stage controller, 'turntable' or instrument.
The little toy musical instrument apps are pretty useless, but with this much screen real estate, I can think of a dozen 'instrument' applications off of the top of my head.


I am most looking forward to using it as the mixer in logic. Or simulation of an MPC.
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From the article...

"The iPad does not support the unique 1700Mhz spectrum utilized by the T-Mobile 3G network in the U.S. So although the hardware is unlocked and could theoretically access T-Mobile's EDGE network, 3G connectivity will not be an option anywhere but AT&T in the U.S."

So in US the unlocked means nothing....

That says it should work using EDGE on T-Mobile (although EDGE sucks). I'm sorry T-Mobile didn't use one of the more common frequencies for 3G and that Verizon is still CDMA. When you travel, you will be able to pop out the SIM for a local one to avoid crazy data roaming charges... that alone is worth something.
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I just don't understand why they wouldn't put a camera and iChat on this thing. I would think one of the biggest features that a "person on the go" would want is some contact with their family. I live on the west coast but most of my family lives in the Midwest. iChat and Skype are a normal part of the week for me. It's the only way my kids get to visit with their grandparents and great grandparents. If I leave on a trip, it's the only time I get with my kids. No lame ass e-book is going to make up for that. So this means I'm still traveling with my laptop.

I'm sure as hell not adding a bigass clunky camera to it. By the time you add all the accessories, the thing weighs as much as a desktop and it takes away from the whole aesthetic. I guarantee it will have the camera in a year, not because the technology has caught up, but because they decided they've made enough money on the lame first generation. They just want to milk us again, like they did with the 3G vs. the 3GS.

It just seems like a no brainer to me. It would have been more popular than the iPhone.

Sorry for ranting, but they built it up sooo much. I'm truly bummed. I'm just glad I didn't take off work to watch the liveblogs.

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Well - People who read my posts know that I am a big Apple fan. So you won't be surprised that I think this product looks really good (having watched the engadget live blog). But I will say it anyway - it does look like a great device with a tremendous interface.

Great from factor, great apps, great battery life.

However! - I do have some major disappointments with it too.

1- No camera
2- No full iPhoto
3- No USB (more later)
4- Price premium for 3G is way too high!
5- keyboard doc - Oi Yey!

#1 & #2
This should have been included. Maybe there is not enough horsepower to edit video (tho they do have limited editing on the iPhone), but at least we could have had a full iPhoto so people could use it to edit the pix. Maybe this is built into the photo program but not demoed. Still - no cam

#3 -
I am a fan of Apple/Mac model of a controlled system architecture, but not when it imposes unnecessary limitations. Let's face it, this is a computer. It really ought to have a USB port (or 2) to connect peripherals. Most importantly, as a serious amateur photographer (I have exhibited in 3 countries) no way even one week's shooting will fit on one of these. But if I could only attach my Rugged Drive...

#4 -
Speaks for itself. When you can buy a new unlocked cell phone for under $100, I don't see why it costs so much to add on the transceiver. I could see a premium of $69 or even $89, but $129? Maybe ATT will subsidize them.

#5 -
The keyboard dock is cool BUT:
a) Only in portrait mode?
b) Who wants to use a keyboard that is right up against the display like that? Come on guys!! Let's put some distance here and be real.

Finally - on the wish list...
A DVI connector so that it could be used as an external display for another laptop or desktop. This could also be done via wifi I suppose - still it would have been cool. Besides, it would have been a really big impetus for laptop owners to add on.

-- In the end, these are important points (to me) but not a game changer. I am on the "Notify List" for when it is available.
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In September 2008 T-Mobile began rolling out its 3G network (operating on the 1700 MHz band) to service G1 customers in 14 initial cities. T-Mobile's UMTS (3G) service is now active in over 30 major US cities and operates on over 15 new devices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile
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My geek nature is aroused - I can't wait to see specs on the A4 chip!
(If we ever get any)
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#5 -
The keyboard dock is cool BUT:
a) Only in portrait mode?
b) Who wants to use a keyboard that is right up against the display like that? Come on guys!! Let's put some distance here and be real.

I thought the same thing, then I realized the case they're marketing serves as a stand and you cna use a bluetooth keyboard with the iPad
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#4 -
Speaks for itself. When you can buy a new unlocked cell phone for under $100, I don't see why it costs so much to add on the transceiver. I could see a premium of $69 or even $89, but $129? Maybe ATT will subsidize them.

A 3G cell phone under $100 unlocked? I agree it is expensive though.

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The keyboard dock is cool BUT:
a) Only in portrait mode?
b) Who wants to use a keyboard that is right up against the display like that? Come on guys!! Let's put some distance here and be real.

The keyboard is close to the screen so that you can interact with it without moving your hand a long ways, remember it's a touchscreen, not a monitor. I've heard the bluetooth keyboard works with it too. So bluetooth keyboard + leather case/stand = tablet in landscape with the keyboard spaced as far away from the tablet as you like.
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Though the iPad, introduced by Apple Wednesday, does not include a camera, the iPhone OS 3.2 SDK "simulator" for creating software hints the shipping product could support a camera in some fashion. One developer told AppleInsider that the native Contacts application offers the option to take a photo, in addition to choosing an existing one.

with a solid 30 days or more time to prep, I bet some kind of camera will be out when or shortly after the ipad releases. companies would be crazy not to

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The iPad does not support the unique 1700Mhz spectrum utilized by the T-Mobile 3G network in the U.S. So although the hardware is unlocked and could theoretically access T-Mobile's EDGE network, 3G connectivity will not be an option anywhere but AT&T in the U.S.

1. I suspect they didn't want to have to deal with various configs on top of the 6 for each country so unlocking was the solution

2. isn't the iphone said to be the same spectrum etc and yet folks have reported unlocking and outside of the whole visual voicemail it works just fine.

what I can't wait to get more details on is this 3g set up via itunes. can I simply not set it up when I plus in the ipad the first time and using only wifi and then in six months when I feel I need 3g do it then. or do I have to set it up and then cancel (and likely pay the first month and a set up fee). if the former, awesome, if the latter I'll do it on the lesser plan but it will be annoying
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I will not be purchasing one of these until there is a release of blackra1n supporting the product.

That being said, there is no reason to buy the 3G version if you own an iPhone as it is very easy to turn your iPhone into a WiFi hotspot to take advantage of its built in 3G.

I can see myself watching a lot of SlingBox on a device like this over 3G/iPhone.
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Maybe ATT will subsidize them.

In Australia, on a A$20 plan (1GB) they'll often give away a $150 usb data stick if you're on a 2 year contract.

It's possible that here we'll have a choice of a wifi or 3G model at the same price - but the 3G model requires a 2 year contract.
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I just don't understand why they wouldn't put a camera and iChat on this thing.

Okay... your iPad is laying flat on the desk in front of you, or propped up at a slight, comfortable angle. What does the built-in camera see? The ceiling!

What was Apple supposed to to, put in one of those roller-looking cams like on some laptops? Sorry, Apple doesn't do kludgy. IMO, this is a big part of why there's no camera.
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Musicians will eat it up!

What do you mean?
Are these hardware devices that they would no longer need with an iPad?
If so - which are commonly used? Are there apps for them on iPhone already?
post #34 of 99
As some one who was very much looking forward to this product, I am very, very disappointed.

They are touting this device as a device somewhere between a smart phone and a notebook.

What they gave us is is s super sized iPod Touch. Period.

It overcomes ONE limitation of the iPod Touch -- screen size, while retaining ALL of the other limitations of a 'smart' phone.

You want to watch a TV show you have already bought from iTunes? Hook up a cable and sync to your computer.

You want to load up a few documents to work on on the plane? Make sure you install the right client software on you computer to push the files to your device and/or hook up a cable and sync the device.

Want to edit pictures? Buy a poorly implemented adapter or ... copy the photos to your computer, hook up a cable and sync your device.

No multi-tasking.
No iChat Client.
No expandable storage.
No file system.
No camera
No Adobe Flash
No Silverlight
No streaming media form your itunes on your computer.

It does everything that my iPhone does, but more importantly, it does NOTHING MORE than my iPhone.
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No it is not usable on any 3G network. Assuming it is "unlocked" as you say it will still only work on AT&T or T-Mobile. 3G on Verizon and Sprint is a completely different technology incompatible with GSM.

So if they release the next gen iPhone as a multi network "world" phone, and you are able to tether that to the iPad wouldn't that make more sense from an Apple standpoint?

Why kill off one market by introducing another, when you can market 2 and make even more money thanks to the "halo effect".
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with iPhone OS 3.2 being iPad-only for the time being

So Flurry Analytics was correct after all.
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Multi-tasking is coming with iPhone 0S 4.0 and it will be supported on the iPad.

Apple just couldn't announce it or show it off today because it would steal the thunder from the next iPhone/OS4.0 announcement when it comes.

Count on it.
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So if they release the next gen iPhone as a multi network "world" phone, and you are able to tether that to the iPad wouldn't that make more sense from an Apple standpoint?

Why kill off one market by introducing another, when you can market 2 and make even more money thanks to the "halo effect".

Some who has actually reviewed the specs on Apple's website!
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I think Apple have found the optimal casual computing device.

more interesting is i got a message from a friend. he works in a hospital, in the ER, and they have been looking into some kind of digital system to link the ER, the ICU, Surgery, Pharmacy, Blood Bank and Records system. The goal is quicker communication and also no issues with handwriting. with luck they could have dosage calculators and systems to warn them that Patient John's record shows that he's taking X which should not be mixed with the Y you want to give him, Z is the better choice.

Apparently the hospital has gotten money from some really rich family to try to set up this system. And one of the board members saw the info about the ipad and is buzzing with the idea that this might be just what they need. If they can buy or develop the software.

Someone else even suggested that the ipads might be a good tool for when they want patients to watch info videos about what's going to happen during their treatment, to entertain kids in for chemo or other treatments etc.

makes me wonder what other businesses could find ways to use the device.

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The only thing I personally don't love is the home screen - those little icons look a bit spread out and sparse - not as polished as the rest of the UI.

agreed. hopefully that is something that can be user set. if not now then a quick update.

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Apple is screwing over their customers once again for guaranteed bank from AT&T.

but not really given that they are offering wi-fi only, plus there's no contract on the 3g so you could be on it for a day and quit if you like. restart when you need. or go without it.

My boss is already stoked cause we do shoots all over town, sometimes out on the water or in the desert where wifi isn't so available. so being able to start the 3g for the 2 months of a major project and then kill it when that's over and we are in town for six months thrills him.

his only beef is the camera issue. but he figures that wouldn't be that horrid, just take some getting used to. after all right now we are connecting a camera to a full laptop to send stuff back and forth


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I can't say multi-tasking worries me all that much. If an app can remember it's last state when you shut it down and re-open in the same condition

and fast. then it really isn't an issue is it.
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Re: Camera support

The official Apple iPad spec page has a camera adapter listed on the bottom under Accessories.

yes but what folks have been asking about is a camera that goes directly into the ipad or a webcam for chatting. doesn't sound like this adapter would work for that. or at least not that efficiently. but as I said, someone is likely to come up with a little dock connector snap on since you can flip the ipad over no worries. maybe something about the size of the TuneTalk mike.

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When you travel, you will be able to pop out the SIM for a local one to avoid crazy data roaming charges... that alone is worth something.


I believe they said it's a microSim so it might not be totally that easy. but in theory yes.


Also for all we know T-Mobile is working behind the scenes and the means to support the ipad's 'correct' spectrum will arrive shortly.
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The AT&T-only is a major shocker. Apple is screwing over their customers once again for guaranteed bank from AT&T. Really embarrassing.

The iPad will find its own level and should sell well, despite the current limitations.

It's not a shocker to me.

I don't see biggest crowd being folks traveling in zones without a Wifi access point and needing 3G.

The non-3G product will sell very well. I've already got a phone. I've got 2 laptops and a workstation with another one shortly.

This device will serve a lot of needs that allow me to spend time around my house or near the multitude of hot spots I already have access to with Qwest via the Wifi, and freeing me up from carrying a laptop.
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