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post #41 of 72
[quote]Originally posted by sizzle chest:
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That's because the chicks in the summer games have to be athletes</strong><hr></blockquote>

Like <a href="http://www.rsg.net/" target="_blank">rhythmic gymnastics</a>?
post #42 of 72
OK, not ALL the chicks in the Summer Olympics have to be athletes. They ought to do Rhythmic Gymnastics in a cold room so it could be a Winter Olympics sport. Besides, those are some of the hottest chicks in Summer Olympics, thus confirming my posited reverse correlation between hot chickness and athleticism.
post #43 of 72
I dunno. Tennis fits 'sport' by most definitions and there is definitely some hotness going on there, even among some of the competitive players!
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post #44 of 72
Then again, Navratalova was indestructable for years.

Maybe there ought to be three branches of Sport. Mens, Womens, and Lesbians?
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post #45 of 72
[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
<strong>Gregg, not quite. Oksana Baiul was without a doubt the best skater in Lillehammer. She could do arched spins nobody else could do and her skating was much more effortless than Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan.

And while I was cheering Michelle Kwan in Nagano, again, that was a close call, and less controversial.

Yesterday's results were not close at all.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Well, we disagree about Oksana and Nancy. Nancy skated a flawless program. Oksana missed a landing badly, then added a jump later to "make up" for her earlier one. Kerrigan's performance met a higher standard, in my opinion.

Lipinkski's "victory" was a close call, as you say. In my judgment, she should have gotten silver.
post #46 of 72
oops! wrong button... edit:

It's not about who is the best skater in the competition. It's about which skater has the best performance on a given day. Just like team sports... "that's why they play the game."

[ 02-13-2002: Message edited by: Gregg ]</p>
post #47 of 72
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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Oksana Baiul won because she skated her ass off beautifully and flawlessy and destroyed Kerrigan. Kerrigan was far from the best skater at Lillehammer.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nope. See above.
post #48 of 72
[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
[QB]The chicks seem to be much hotter in the winter games than the summer games.[QB]<hr></blockquote>

...even though they're on ice.

Actually, maybe that's why. They're hotter because they're not as hot. They don't sweat as much.
post #49 of 72
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[quote]Well, we disagree about Oksana and Nancy. Nancy skated a flawless program. Oksana missed a landing badly, then added a jump later to "make up" for her earlier one. Kerrigan's performance met a higher standard, in my opinion.<hr></blockquote>

Oksana Baiul's biggest mistake in her routine was probably something like a 2-footed landing...not a big enough mistake for Kerrigan to overcome the higher artistic marks Baiul surely got.

In Albertville '92 Kristi Yamaguchi won the gold medal, followed by Midori Ito, who outplaced Nancy Kerrigan with a last minute triple axel.

Additional jumps aren't out of the ordinary, and if you do add a jump, you can bring up our technical score quite a bit. Adding a third triple jump in your free skate was downright unheard of in 1992 and 1994. Midori Ito and Tonya Harding were the only women in the Albertville games that could even do a triple axel, for example.
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post #50 of 72
[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
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Oksana Baiul's biggest mistake in her routine was probably something like a 2-footed landing...not a big enough mistake for Kerrigan to overcome the higher artistic marks Baiul surely got.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Well, we're both going off of memory here, and I think you're incorrect on Oksana's flub. I seem to remember that she stumbled out of the jump. In any case, Kerrigan had a technically perfect program. There was much ado about her elation in the press, and she indignantly, and righfully, replied that she had every reason to celebrate her first flawless performance. No stumbles, no two-footed landings, so slips, no slides, no nothing, perfect. Artistically, she was every bit as good if not better than Oksana. We'll just have to go on disagreeing...

[ 02-13-2002: Message edited by: Gregg ]</p>
post #51 of 72
[quote]Originally posted by Gregg:
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Nope. See above.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nope. See Eugene above Kerrigan lover
post #52 of 72
IOC says they cannot reverse the results. I think if they find that the fix was in then they should.

Why bother skating if the results are known before you get on the ice?
post #53 of 72
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>Belle,

normally (actually always) you make smart posts and I agree 99% with them but this one was just dumb.

figure skating not a sport? if that's not a sport I have no idea what is. If you don't think that takes amazing athleticism and fitness then you are blinded by something I can't identify.


BTW, I think ballroom dancing is in the summer olympics?
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Gosh, applenut, I didn't know figure skating could fire such passion in a young man!

I wasn't being insulting about figure skating, just questioning why it is considered a sport. It does take athleticism, but so does ballet, and every other form of dance. They're considered arts, not sport, and are no less worthy.

And yes, ballroom dancing is, I believe, at least being considered as a Summer Games event. It was an attempt at irony. And dance marathons are not being considered. That was an attempt at humor. You know, Marathon? Olympics? Heh. Riiiiiight.
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post #54 of 72
I think Nancy Kerrigan had points deducted for being a skeezer.
post #55 of 72
skeezer?
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post #56 of 72
This reminds me of the Korean Summer Olympics. An American Boxer KO'd a hometown Korean guy in the finals. Yet the Korean got the gold. Later it was found that the judges had been bought, and where banned from judging for life.
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post #57 of 72
[quote]Gosh, applenut, I didn't know figure skating could fire such passion in a young man! <hr></blockquote>

what can I say, I liked figure skating. I have for years. and I like all winter sports for that matter. Figure skating amazes me sometimes

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I wasn't being insulting about figure skating, just questioning why it is considered a sport. It does take athleticism, but so does ballet, and every other form of dance. They're considered arts, not sport, and are no less worthy.<hr></blockquote>

you're broadening it a bit. I don't see ballet is done on blades on a sheet of ice. It doesn't require anywhere near the stamina or strength required in figure skating. I don't think ballarinas run miles a day, train 4 hours a day on ice and then do weight training as well.

by your standards half the olympic events would not be sports or events:

curling?
luge and bobsled? (hey its just like a go cart what's athletic about that)
etc.

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And yes, ballroom dancing is, I believe, at least being considered as a Summer Games event. It was an attempt at irony. And dance marathons are not being considered. That was an attempt at humor. You know, Marathon? Olympics? Heh. Riiiiiight. <hr></blockquote>

hm...
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post #58 of 72
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Curling is really cool, especially when the Skip yells at the sweepers.

Luge and bobsleigh require a lot of athletic ability. One of the most important parts of a bobsleigh run is the start. In addition, G-forces really take the energy out of you.

Gregg, I looked it up. It was one two-footed landing.

They can't feasibly strip the gold medals from the Russian team, but they can upgrade Pelletier and Sale to Gold though. In gymnastics and other events there have been ties like this.

I've seen double-gold and bronze medals awarded...and also double-silvers and no bronze. Stuff like that.

However this ends up, people will always look at these results with an asterisk.
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post #59 of 72
I haven't really agreed with the way NBC has handles this though. before the positions were even stated they said who the winner was and of course were run and then after it was announced they ripped into the judges. now they are pushing it every time Costas comes on air, they had an interview with Canada the next night, they keep saying they should have the gold, etc.

How about NBC stick to showing the olympics and events and let the controversary work itself out. It's getting enough press everywhere else. it doesn't need to spoil every other event and the overall olympics.

The commentary has really been poor which is unfortunate. I really like Costas but he has been just saying some dumb things in the last 6 days
post #60 of 72
I'd just heard that the French judge and the Russian judge had an agreement before the competition to vote for eachother's skaters.

lol, i'd find a link but i'm on a modem for another week.

anyone else hear about this?

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post #61 of 72
<a href="http://www.msnbc.com/news/705743.asp?cp1=1" target="_blank">French judge says she was pressured to vote for Russians</a>.
post #62 of 72
I think the Russians could be stripped if it's found out that they were a part of it. If they are caught cheating then they will lose the medal. Like when a runner test "+" for drugs.
post #63 of 72
You'd have to prove that the Russian skaters were involved. I don't see why the Russian skaters would be punished for a Russian judge's actions.

And leave it to the French to be so easily pressured, wine-swilling surrender-monkeys!

(just kidding! )
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post #65 of 72
<a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/02/13/SP192294.DTL" target="_blank">An alternate point of view</a>.
post #66 of 72
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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Nope. See Eugene above Kerrigan lover</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nope. You're both wrong.

Uh, I looked it up.

[ 02-14-2002: Message edited by: Gregg ]</p>
post #67 of 72
The whole 'controversy' is incredibly undignified. Its truly beneath a true sportman to act like this.

Ny the way the Russian's performed with soul and passion and took some chances teh cnadian's were... well...Canadian. . what can I say.
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post #68 of 72
Oooohhhh! That was low!..... just the way I like it!
post #69 of 72
Glad someone agrees with me. Thanks pfflam.
post #70 of 72
Seems like there's enough funny stuff going on in skating. This is just the one that broke the damn. So be it. Skating looks to be a bit of a shame and will suffer for the crappy judging. Maybe the should just cancel the rest of the events and give the medals to the already chosen winners.
post #71 of 72
lol, finally i found something exactly the same between skating and boxing!

the scoring!
post #72 of 72
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where did you look it up? NancyKerrigan.com or something? CNN/Sports Illustrated said one two-footed landing.
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