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So I was ready to buy a newly updated MacBook Pro. I need one soon-ish for work and school. I can hold out a few more weeks. Thoughts on MBP updates anyone? Ya'll think it'll come out in a few weeks? My thinking was Steve just wanted to make sure all the press was on the iPad.
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post #2 of 61
OK, so what's wrong with the ones available now?
post #3 of 61
Because it would be silly to buy a current C2D when all the other PC boys are running core i5, i7.

I need a Mac, but I'm not replacing my 2 year old C2D Dell with another C2D.
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I need a Mac, but I'm not replacing my 2 year old C2D Dell with another C2D.

You don't see the difference between a Dell and a Mac?
post #5 of 61
Same here - WTF (Why The Face?). I hope they will get updated in a couple of weeks, but with the whole Nvida thing - who knows?
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You don't see the difference between a Dell and a Mac?

Dont be silly. You have been around long enough to know what a downer it is to drop $1,500-$2,000 on your brand new machine only to have something spiffier announced a few weeks later. I am on the edge of the market right now, and I would not buy a MBP at this moment unless I had no choice. Who knows? It might be another 6 months... but I doubt it.
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post #7 of 61
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I would not buy a MBP at this moment unless I had no choice. Who knows? It might be another 6 months... but I doubt it.

I can wait a little longer. I'm using my Rev A 12" Powerbook 867MHz running Leopard.

I've waited this long.

But it hurts.
post #8 of 61
It's not just the processors. The Macbook Pro's video hardware is really outdated vs. the PC industry. Apple HAS TO KEEP UP WITH PCs if they want to provide the ability to run windows.
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You don't see the difference between a Dell and a Mac?

I can't justify Apple prices for the same generation of hardware that I have now.
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It's not just the processors. The Macbook Pro's video hardware is really outdated vs. the PC industry. Apple HAS TO KEEP UP WITH PCs if they want to provide the ability to run windows.

Current Macs can run Windows 7. I don't think that Windows 8 will be out anytime soon. You will get years of productive use out of your Mac running Windows before this becomes an issue. Of course, productive use won't help you win p!ssing contests with your little friends and that's what this is all about, isn't it?
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I would REALLY appreciate IPS panels for maybe the Macbook Pro series. If the 9.7" iPad can have IPS, and obviously the Cinema displays (although a refresh here would be nice, too), and the 21.5" and 27" iMac's all have IPS, why not a 15" or 17" panel for the Macbook (Pro)?

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Current Macs can run Windows 7. I don't think that Windows 8 will be out anytime soon. You will get years of productive use out of your Mac running Windows before this becomes an issue. Of course, productive use won't help you win p!ssing contests with your little friends and that's what this is all about, isn't it?

It is not about a pissing contest. It is about the current standard hardware specs and value for your money. If you want to spend $2000 dollars on a laptop then have below industry standard hardware be my guest. What they are saying is they don't want to spend the 2 grand on a MBP today and then in June have the new MBP come out with the updated specs. It is not about have the fastest or the greatest it is about value for the money.......

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post #13 of 61
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Originally Posted by Bageljoey

Dont be silly. You have been around long enough to know what a downer it is to drop $1,500-$2,000 on your brand new machine only to have something spiffier announced a few weeks later.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Welshdog that's a nice little laptop. One of the best they've ever made. My fiancee still has hers and refuses to give it up.

IPS screens, that another interesting consideration. Mainly though, I want new CPUs. Modern graphics would be nice of course, but I will be doing heavy lifting CPU-wise with GIS and image processing so that is my biggest interest in terms of the next MBP update. We certainly are due for an update, considering Intel released new chips, and it's been a while:
See here: http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#MacBook_Pro

Following their historic release patterns, it should be soon. I'd add, hopefully not as late as June, geekdad! I'm holding out a few more weeks...
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post #14 of 61
I too have been holding out for an updated Macbook pro. I wonder if part of the issue is that they have too much of their engineering staff working on the iPad to get a Macbook Pro update done. Especially if they have to re-work the video to support a new intel graphics chip.

I don't have any idea how the engineering resources in a company like apple are structured. Anyone have any insight into that? Is there a dedicated team working on laptops that wouldn't get pulled into the iPad engineering?

Some people have been commenting that the current hardware is fine and we shouldn't wait, but it just seems crazy to me to shell out $2k for a notebook that will be updated in what should be the near term.
post #15 of 61
It'll come in the coming weeks fellas, so chillax. Now that this iPad business is done and over with we will see updates before the 60 days until the iPad is released are up.
post #16 of 61
I was thinking that they had all their resources in the iPad basket but they have separate divisions for hardware at Apple (embedded vs. intel also) - besides, the level of secrecy involved in the tablet, laptop engineers were not working on it. They may be having problems with the new intel embedded graphics snafu and also probably didn't want to take any wind out of the iPad sails (they'll need all they can get. Lol).
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Current Macs can run Windows 7. I don't think that Windows 8 will be out anytime soon. You will get years of productive use out of your Mac running Windows before this becomes an issue. Of course, productive use won't help you win p!ssing contests with your little friends and that's what this is all about, isn't it?

I run Windows specific graphics-intensive applications. I am f-ing tired of windows 7 (64) it's given me so much trouble. I want to go mac, but I refuse to pay 2x as much as a current windows laptop that that has inferior hardware (that I need).
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I run Windows specific graphics-intensive applications. I am f-ing tired of windows 7 (64) it's given me so much trouble. I want to go mac, but I refuse to pay 2x as much as a current windows laptop that that has inferior hardware (that I need).

Graphics issues, really?? I will be doing imagery, not graphics per se, it's not really accelerated. But I was planning on using Windows 7 Server (officially called Windows 2008 R2) in Bootcamp and VMWare a lot. What kind of issues is Windows 7 giving you hawf?

Outsider, I too was assuming that Steve was just waiting to release new MBPs so all the attention could be on this darn iPad. I was just soooo in the zone to order up a new Mac this week, it's been a while. Well, I suppose I can wait a bit more.
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post #19 of 61
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Current Macs can run Windows 7. I don't think that Windows 8 will be out anytime soon. You will get years of productive use out of your Mac running Windows before this becomes an issue. Of course, productive use won't help you win p!ssing contests with your little friends and that's what this is all about, isn't it?

Really? Is this a serious post? I've been thinking about replacing my MBP too, but I'm not dropping $2k on a rather outdated piece of tech (and we're not waiting for a speed-bump here, the bump to i3/5/7 is the the next intel "tick" and it's a large jump, not just in CPU but in a huge number of pieces of the chipset). If I'm justifying the price I need to have a big enough performance boost to make it worth it. For those of us who actually spend our own money on computers that's kinda important. I'm glad you have $2k to drop on outdated tech just because it has an apple logo on it, most people dont. For those of us who make money using our comps it's an even bigger concern, more performance=more work I can get done=more bang/buck on the hardware (also more money to spend on hardware in the future :-p). Is this hard to comprehend?

Plus, in terms of windows, sometimes people want to *game*. A lot of people on this board work using OSX and game under windows. The ability to use both is a current big selling point of buying a mac, one apple's been crying from the rooftops lately. It's not unreasonable for people to want hardware they can use for that with current generation games and decently high settings, and not at todays prices but yesterdays tech.

Yes, there are people for whom the bump wont matter, their general web browsing and word processing wont be altered much, if at all, by the hardware bump. There is, however, nothing wrong for those people who *will* be effected, for whom the performance *does* matter getting frustrated. Bear in mind that at least the upper range of the MBPs bear the "pro" moniker for a reason, they are aimed at professionals, at developers, scientists, photographers, etc - most of whom would welcome a performance boost.
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post #20 of 61
@Aquatic
I feel ya, I'm in the same boat. My work MBP needs a serious upgrade, a 2.4GHz CD2. I find that running VMWare with Win7 is unbearable with 4GB RAM and all the apps I have running on the Mac side.
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Graphics issues, really?? I will be doing imagery, not graphics per se, it's not really accelerated. But I was planning on using Windows 7 Server (officially called Windows 2008 R2) in Bootcamp and VMWare a lot. What kind of issues is Windows 7 giving you hawf?

Actually not graphics issues. I'm having problems with Adobe Creative Suite and Microsoft Office that I wasn't having under 7 RC.
post #22 of 61
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So I was ready to buy a newly updated MacBook Pro. I need one soon-ish for work and school. I can hold out a few more weeks. Thoughts on MBP updates anyone? Ya'll think it'll come out in a few weeks? My thinking was Steve just wanted to make sure all the press was on the iPad.

Same with me, after all I thought they will bring the update in the yesterday event. It's my concern for quite some time that Apple increasingly turns to become a home entertainment vendor. In principle it's not a bad thing as the numbers prove but Apple would do bad to forget us professionals. Eventually we need to make money using that tools and as such they should be up to date any time.
We cannot wait just for fun. It would help a lot (and would be more professional in my eyes) if Apple provided information on the roadmap some time in advance. If I know that the i5 MBPs will be available in week xx I could plan and live with it. But I cannot calculate on rumors.
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Apple would do bad to forget us professionals...It would help a lot (and would be more professional in my eyes) if Apple provided information on the roadmap some time in advance. If I know that the i5 MBPs will be available in week xx I could plan and live with it. But I cannot calculate on rumors.

EXCELLENT point meshope. I used to think this secrecy was "cool" when I was in like...high school. Now, I'd rather know when the next update is coming out. For completely new devices like iPad, iPod and iPhone I can understand. In fact, it's probably a good idea to make a big splash by making it a surprise. But for run of the mill laptop and desktop updates...So stupid. I bet that'll be one of the first changes when Steve leaves. I love The Steve but this is one change I look forward to.

Outsider Win7 is slow with 4 gigs? You did say you were running other OS X apps...how much RAM remained for Windows? Does Win 7 use more RAM than XP? I thought it was supposed to be efficient. I know MS states XP requires 64-128 megs of RAM. And Win 7 1 gig, or 2 gigs for 64-bit. But does it REALLY eat this much more RAM? Yeesh I was hoping to get by with 5 gigs. Perhaps I'll need 8.
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Outsider Win7 is slow with 4 gigs? You did say you were running other OS X apps...how much RAM remained for Windows? Does Win 7 use more RAM than XP? I thought it was supposed to be efficient. I know MS states XP requires 64-128 megs of RAM. And Win 7 1 gig, or 2 gigs for 64-bit. But does it REALLY eat this much more RAM? Yeesh I was hoping to get by with 5 gigs. Perhaps I'll need 8.

Well, when doing web development on my Mac, I have to regularly test sites in IE6, 7, and now 8. I use a utility that lets me run all those concurrently but it takes a lot of memory. i reserve 1GB and it's still pretty slow. That leaves 3GB for the Mac side and Photoshop takes up a good portion of that depending on how many files I have open. Safari and Firefox are not very meager when it comes to memory too.
post #25 of 61
i was hoping to wait out for the machines, but i had to replace a 2.16 c2d mbp b/c it was dying.. The new machine is significantly more awesome than the old one. Trackpad is better, its noticeably faster, screen is 100x better, I actually like the keyboard even though i thought i wouldn't and it has 4G of ram instead of 3, which I've noticed when doing heavy stuff. The battery seems to actually last 5-6 hours of use.

Yeah, sure, waiting is all good and everything, but the C2D current crop kicks some serious ass.
post #26 of 61
I am hoping the new Arrandale MBP's will be cooler than the current C2D's. That would be a feature worth waiting for.
post #27 of 61
Aquatic:

Outsider is probably using virtualization to test IE. VMware calls it Unity and not sure what Parallels calls it. But any virtualization uses a lot of ram and is slow. He's only dedicating 1 gig of RAM and Microsoft recommends 2 gig. One gig is the minimum Vista or 7 will use so yes, Vista and 7 use more ram than XP. Thats why you never see a Vista netbook. Netbooks all run XP because of how inefficient Vista is. You're starting to see some 7 netbooks and they have improved performance but also the hardware has improved, too. If you're going to use virtualization I recommend sticking with XP

If you run Windows in Boot Camp it does not run slow on 4 gig of ram. Just use 64-bit Windows to get the full effect
post #28 of 61
Yup, I'm waiting for Arrandale too. I was expecting them at the iPad launch since Apple won't be at MWSF this year.

Last Apple laptop I owned was my 600mhz G3 iBook I bought in '02.

Been waiting for Arrandale for 6-8 months. No particular hurry, just want to buy at the beginning of the new tech for more value.

Happy with the increased performance, but was hoping to see increased battery life too. Not that '7 hours' isn't enough, I was just looking forward to buying a new chip with more power AND battery life.

Make mine a 13".
post #29 of 61
Frys electronics in CA is taking 150.00 off the entry level MBP if that means anything regarding new MBP being released soon.
post #30 of 61
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That's a good sign, the Fry's sale. bbwi I'd noticed that all netbooks sell with XP. Kind of sad for MS. I keep hearing Win 7 is so "efficient". I guess not. I noticed because I was considering a building a Hackintosh for a while for my fiancee...she kept saying no no no and I finally got the message.

Well...I guess we'll all just wait and see...I'm predicting definitely within the next 3 week... just a gut feeling...
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post #31 of 61
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Frys electronics in CA is taking 150.00 off the entry level MBP if that means anything regarding new MBP being released soon.

The largest Apple retailer in Germany - Gravis - is offering the 13" MBP with 4GB at the price of the entry level configuration with 2GB. Special offer from Jan 26 - Feb 5 worth a discount of roughly 130$. It seems they want to sell off the stock before the new ones appear. It may happen in the week of Feb 8 !
post #32 of 61
Usually Appleinsider has news of reports of limited stock of an item if it's about to be replaced.
post #33 of 61
Macmall has the mbp on discount until the 2nd
amazon has the mbp on discount as well
as noted above others have specials going on the mbp
someone else said that best buy is no longer selling the 17" mbp and that supply is short on the other mbp's in kc area
apple store has been down for around 3 or 4 hours now in the us
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post #34 of 61
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apple store has been down for around 3 or 4 hours now in the us

I don't know what they added but it wasn't MBP's. They always show the little yellow post-it that says "We'll be right back". Maybe your DNS lost connection to their site...?

I think the retailers are just anticipating the refresh. No one knows for sure it's coming yet - only that it should be coming.
post #35 of 61
That's correct, it had the sticky note just when you clicked a product initially, but soon it went to the entire apple store link was a big sticky note...

I did notice however that previously, the MBP student discount on the entry level model was 49 dollars off, now it is 100 off. Bringing the entry level mbp down to 1099.99 for students rather than 1149
post #36 of 61
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Good sleuthing toolb0x. Geez though if they really were going to update tomorrow I feel like it would've leaked by now, don't y'all think? I think tassle may be right, maybe retailers are just almost counting on it. Because don't they usually let crap slip a day or two before, and it finds its way onto here? Well if not tomorrow, I guess in another week or two. Man I'm excited for new 'Book. I'll finally go 15" too.
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post #37 of 61
I'm not planning to purchase a new MBP until much later this year- towards August/September- so I'm not as in much of a hurry to see the next refresh. However I am very interested to see what the upcoming refresh offers so that I'll know about what to expect when the summer/fall 2010 refresh happens.
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post #38 of 61
I agree. I think we would have heard about it by now. I'd guess it's probably a pretty imminent update but I'm in no rush as well; I've been waiting since Thanksgiving. I just want a new 13" mbp with the integrated graphics to come out so they will clearance out the old ones for sub-1000 at school.
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I can wait a little longer. I'm using my Rev A 12" Powerbook 867MHz running Leopard.

I've waited this long.

But it hurts.

LOL...you too?

Long live the Powerbook 12" Rev A....the original netbook!
post #40 of 61
Heh. The original netbook would be maybe the Duo or the Powerbook 2400... The 12" Powerbook is more the MBA now - thin and powerful.
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