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The big question before today's Apple event was how the company would deliver a tablet-sized product that any significant number of people might want to buy. On stage, Steve Jobs provided a lot of answers, but the most powerful answer required holding the new device in your hands.

Great expectations

Jobs framed the new iPad as being in between its iPhone and MacBook products. But in order to succeed, he pointed out, it would need to do some things better than either. Today's netbooks don't do anything better; they're just cheap and small notebooks, he said.

It was widely expected that Apple would release a 10" iPod touch, and that's essentially what the iPad is. However, that's really only the case in hardware. The iPad's larger screen, which melds the MacBook's beautiful IPS LCD display with the iPhone's multitouch sensitivity, provides so much extra room that it enables iPhone apps to grow up in sophistication from being mostly information browsers to being full blown desktop apps driven primarily by a multitouch interface.

This introductory video shows a 360 degree view of the iPad, along with a look at how it presents home screen apps just like the iPhone. Its actual apps are more like desktop Mac apps however, and in some cases seem even better, particularly the beautiful new multitouch Calendar app.





iPad initial surprises

In person, the first and biggest surprise of the slim new tablet-sized device is that it works vertically. Most fan art conceptualized the device to be used in landscape mode. While it works in both, most of the time (some apps favor one or the other; Keynote is landscape-only, for example), the vertical orientation is what you use in the dock. It's also the primary way Apple pictures it on its site, just like the iPhone and iPod touch.

This begins to make sense only when you use it. Suddenly, the preconceived idea of a tablet being a laptop without a keyboard evaporates and you find yourself looking at iPad as if it is a digital pad of paper. We don't typically use spiral-bound notebooks sideways.

The next surprise is that this isn't just an iPod touch with a big screen. The apps Apple bundles, as well as some early third party apps that a select few developers produced over the last couple weeks, are all redesigned to take full advantage of the screen in new ways and with increased sophistication and depth; they don't just spread out to consume more space.

Calendar, Notes, Mail, Photos, and other apps are all enhanced with what feels like an injection of elements of the desktop Mac experience into the familiar iPhone interface (below). Rather than the iPhone's menu-per-page convention, apps like Settings present multiple tiers of menu levels at once. Mail shows you both your inbox in an iPhone-like view as well as a message preview, all on the same screen.



Things that aren't practical on the iPhone due to its small size are natural and almost magical on the iPad. The Photos app incorporates elements of iPhoto, adding finger-based navigation through albums, as well as Faces and Places organization. Apple's iWork suite is now three cheap $10 apps that each provide most -- if not all -- of the features of their desktop counterparts, but are fully controlled via intuitive multitouch gestures.

Make a mistake and you can use the Undo button. Toolbars and search features are reminiscent of Mac apps, while popup menus look like iPhone screens. If you're familiar with either, you also know how to work the iPad.

At the same time, the iPad also runs pretty much all of the 140,000 iPhone apps available. It can run them natively at the same size they'd be on the iPhone, or double them to present the same app across most of the screen. Some apps, such as Facebook, look a little pixelated and stretched on the iPad's big new 1024x768 screen, but existing games looked awesome. In fact, I had to ask several reps if the iPad was doing any re-rendering; even with pixel doubling, iPhone games looked great and played smoothly.

Developers will be able to create customized versions of their existing apps to work with the iPad, and Apple demonstrated what some of these might look like. With more screen real estate, the things developers can do with games and other apps is simply mind blowing.

On page 2 of 3: Missing features, hardware surprises.

Missing features

There are a few things some observers expected that didn't turn up in the final design. The most obvious is a lack of support for any providers other than AT&T in the US or GSM/UMTS providers overseas. There's no CDMA version for Verizon Wireless, and it doesn't support T-Mobile's 3G frequencies (although it apparently could be activated on T-Mobile's slow GSM network, but that might not be cost effective).

The new machine uses microSIM cards and is only sold completely unlocked, with no contact subsidies and complete home activation. There's also a WiFi-only version that starts the price at just $499, much less than anyone imagined.

There are no cameras, killing any hopes that it would be used as a video conferencing device. However, most people don't like to be on camera, which is why we never had a clamoring market for videophones despite having had the technology for decades. And while its very handy to snap pics with your smartphone, it makes less sense to expect to take pictures with a tablet-sized device.

There's no provision for running multiple third party apps at once, outside of the bundled Apple apps that can work in the background, such as iPod. That, some have speculated, may be a feature of iPhone 4.0 this summer. The iPad was shown running iPhone 3.2 software.

There's currently no demonstrated way to attach the iPad to a Mac to use it as a multitouch input device, although this may be possible with third party software; if nothing else, developers could use network commands to relay touch gestures to a desktop app.

More hardware surprises

There are two docks designed for the iPad: one is a simple stand to allow recharging while playing videos or touching the screen at a near vertical position for $29, and a second dock option offers an integrated physical keyboard for $69.



The keys are nearly identical to Apple's other keyboards, although it adds a home button, a search button, a lock button, and a key to bring up the virtual keyboard on screen so you can type any foreign or special characters (or say, bring up a number pad or the Chinese touch input) without hitting some special chord sequence of keys. It will also be possible to use the iPad with an external Bluetooth keyboard, according to Apple reps in the hands-on area. Hopefully that feature will also make it into the iPhone and iPod touch.

With its HD-resolution display and Keynote, the iPad begs for video output. You can use the existing iPhone video output cables to deliver component or composite video, but you can also now use an iPad-specific cable to attach it to a VGA projector (or other display) at its native 1024x768 resolution. And while your presentation progresses, you can not only control it, but also highlight using a virtual laser pointer you move with your finger. You can also paint on the screen John Madden style to emphasize things as you speak. This will sell iPads to every conference room in America.

In addition to the VGA dongle (sold separately), there's also a USB and SD card reader adapter package for $29 that makes it easy to upload photos from your digital camera, although there wasn't any demonstration of the devices in use.



A special neoprene-like case protects the iPad like a standard book cover, but also reverses into a triangle to convert the tablet into either a freestanding TV orientation, or lays down to become a full screen mini-laptop. The case is soft but makes the device seem ruggedized, although you probably still won't want to drop it.




There's a mic and a headphone jack (it's not clear if it also supports mic-integrated headphones), so there's at least the potential for VoIP applications over WiFi. There wasn't a bundled version of the Voice Memos app on the prototype models, nor a version of the iPhone's Voice Command, but there's no reason either couldn't be added by Apple by the time it ships.

The iPad is even designed to do something when it's doing nothing. With the device at its unlock screen, there's a button to start a slideshow configured to your preferences within Settings (below). This turns the thing into a nice animated slideshow picture frame of your selected photo album as it recharges.



On page 2 of 3: Revolutionary evolution, a tough act to follow.

Revolutionary evolution

The iPad seems like a gigantic leap and a small step at once. It isn't a ballsy leap of faith by Apply by any means; it is an enhancement to its existing blockbuster SDK and App Store, not an entirely new platform like the Newton Message Pad once attempted to be.

It already runs all manner of iPhone apps, while also creating a vacuum that developers will rush to fill with new custom apps. It also syncs with Mac files for iWork, iTunes, and anything in Mail.

It isn't a single purpose device like the Amazon Kindle or Android Nook; while it serves as a capable e-reader, it is far more functional even at that, supporting embedded color graphics and video within book titles, something e-ink displays simply can't manage.

Despite that, it still has a tremendous battery life and looks great, leaving users no reason to buy a dedicated e-reader instead. It also offers fast, flicker-free page turning (or animatedly slow, if you like it that way), immediate navigation, and a choice of font styles and sizes.



Unlike stylus-based tablets like Microsoft's Pocket PC or Tablet PC devices, the iPad is fully hands-on with no pen to lose. There's no incorporation of handwritten recognition anywhere visible, just a dynamic keyboard that changes to suit the task at hand (something that is particularly prominent in Apple's Numbers spreadsheet app, where you might bring up a number pad or a full keyboard or some other specialized input system).

It's also unbelievably fast and smooth, making even the iPhone 3GS look a little slow. I witnessed the iPad cold boot within about fifteen seconds. However, you don't need to wait for it to boot because it remains on in standby for days (Jobs said a month on a single charge).

Apple has no reason to advertise its internal specs (since it isn't currently trying to market its processor to other makers), but the fact that the company is building its own custom System on a Chip called the "A4" suggests a similar fate for this year's iPhone and iPod touch (will they use the A2?). Apple's custom new ARM CPU core and I/O and video chip appears to be extremely fast and highly customized for the needs of the iPad in terms of efficiency.

A tough act to follow

Apple isn't hiding the fact that there are advantages in developing your own battery technology and processor savvy and touchscreen expertise. The unstated fact is that no other company has the resources to match what Apple created. As Jobs pointed out, his company is now the largest mobile device maker in the world in terms of revenues. But the iPad isn't just about hardware. Even if somebody duplicated it, they's still need a software ecosystem.

Apple has not only demonstrated that it can think up and create phenomenal apps of its own, but has also demonstrated impressive stuff from a few iPhone developers who only had a few weeks to whip something up. Once Apple's army of iPhone developers hit their stride, the array of apps available for the iPhone will look rudimentary in comparison. The iPad truly supports real desktop style apps with even more sophisticated multitouch input that the iPhone.

Even with all their hardware partners, Google's Android and Microsoft's Windows Mobile haven't been able to attract the same kind of attention from developers or software buying users. Apple's new iPad is unique on many levels, and demonstrates a formidable new challenger in a the formerly lackluster tablet computer market. For competitors to match it, they'll need to catch up not just in hardware but also in media distribution, in developer tools, in customer base, and in raw component technology, and all at a tremendously aggressive price.

It appears iPad launches Apple as far ahead of its peers as the iPhone did at its unveiling. It remains to be seen if the market will respond and buy up this $500 tablet revolution as quickly as it snapped up the similarly priced iPhone and iPod touch.



Daniel Eran Dilger is the author of "Snow Leopard Server (Developer Reference)," a new book from Wiley available now from Amazon.
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Can hardly wait to take a look at one close up. Wonder if the Apple stores will have them available in the stores for display models. I was expecting a camera on it. Never the less will still need to have one.

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Can hardly wait to take a look at one close up. Wonder if the Apple stores will have them available in the stores for display models. I was expecting a camera on it. Never the less will still need to have one.

Count me in as well.
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will the apple remote work??? can i use my current wireless keyboard??

i will definitely buy it for my mom and dad.
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I'm ready to place my order today... I was getting the Kindle, but after seeing this, iPad it is.
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Realizing there are a lot of valid doubts and disappointments about the iPad, I for one am very excited about the product. My kids both have the iPod Touch and I have marveled at its capabilities -- the potential seemed enormous. Now, from what I can tell, the iPad really starts to get at that potential. For starters, it seems like a real alternative to a school laptop, with some really exciting possibilities at a much lower price than the entry level MacBook.

But beyond that, and I could be delusional here, it does seem like Apple has really started to craft a product that can take all these bits and pieces of technology (and software) floating around and begun to really point the way ahead for how to integrate in a fantastic package. I can see how this type of hardware, combined with the right software integration, the understanding of how most people work with technology, and a real vision for the future could combine into some interesting solutions over the next decade.

I think back to where things were when the iMac came out and it is amazing to think of the changes across the tech landscape -- I would argue Apple has driven much of the change, not through the latest hardware specs, per se, but through their understanding of how to bring stuff together to let folks use and enjoy their technology. Should be interesting to see how this evolves -- I really hope it succeeds.
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I'm ready to place my order today... I was getting the Kindle, but after seeing this, iPad it is.

Soundslike you have abnormal hemorrhaging.
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i can see buying one instead of a Kindle because you get so much more functionality for a little more $$$. As a replacement for a $300 laptop or netbook, no way.
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The iPad truly supports real desktop style apps with even more sophisticated multitouch input that the iPhone.


*sniffle*

Goodbye open and free choice Mac OS X.

Meet your closed and eventual replacement with a nice hardware lock too.

No wonder the App developers are not porting to OS X.

*cry*


PS: Guess if you wanted to use a real keyboard in landscape mode you have to get the wireless one.

Is it just me, or all the accessories needed to use this device really padding the price up to laptop levels?


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This turns the thing into a

Do I sense a bit of disgust at the new iPad? "thing?" No love there apparently...
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*sniffle*

Goodbye open and free choice Mac OS X.

Meet your closed and eventual replacement with a nice hardware lock too.

No wonder the App developers are not porting to OS X.

*cry*

Too bad you don't like it and are crying and complaining- but don't you think Apple is just giving the masses what they want?
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Too bad you don't like it and are crying and complaining- but don't you think Apple is just giving the masses what they want?


yet HP is going to market a tablet running a full version of Windows 7
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I'm blown away by the pricing. Never in a million years did I think Apple would price this this low. While I'm anxious to buy one after the early adopters test them, I think I'll wait a bit for the 2nd version.
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Realizing there are a lot of valid doubts and disappointments about the iPad, I for one am very excited about the product. My kids both have the iPod Touch and I have marveled at its capabilities -- the potential seemed enormous. Now, from what I can tell, the iPad really starts to get at that potential. For starters, it seems like a real alternative to a school laptop, with some really exciting possibilities at a much lower price than the entry level MacBook.

But beyond that, and I could be delusional here, it does seem like Apple has really started to craft a product that can take all these bits and pieces of technology (and software) floating around and begun to really point the way ahead for how to integrate in a fantastic package. I can see how this type of hardware, combined with the right software integration, the understanding of how most people work with technology, and a real vision for the future could combine into some interesting solutions over the next decade.

I think back to where things were when the iMac came out and it is amazing to think of the changes across the tech landscape -- I would argue Apple has driven much of the change, not through the latest hardware specs, per se, but through their understanding of how to bring stuff together to let folks use and enjoy their technology. Should be interesting to see how this evolves -- I really hope it succeeds.

i have a 2 year old that know how to use my iphone. he loves it. too bad he will hate the iPad since there is no Flash support. that means websites like Playhouse Disney and Thomas and Friends won't work.

and it would suck for school. no multitasking means no Pandora and doing homework at the same time
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i can see buying one instead of a Kindle because you get so much more functionality for a little more $$$. As a replacement for a $300 laptop or netbook, no way.

Have you ever used a $300 netbook? I have. They are slow and use awful operating systems- either the outdated XP, or a variation of Vista, which limps along in a netbook. The smallest ones have terrible keyboards/input methods. Awful screens. The list goes on. The iPad seems like it does everything a $300 netbook does, just far, far better, in a nicer package. This won't replace a Mac Book, but it is not intended to.
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yet HP is going to market a tablet running a full version of Windows 7

A lot of us wanted a Mac like that that with a USB port. Seems like a lost opportunity like the AppleTV. Don't know why I would ever want or need to have this when I have an iPhone. To read magazines only purchasable from iTunes(Books)?
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Have you ever used a $300 netbook? I have. They are slow and use awful operating systems- either the outdated XP, or a variation of Vista, which limps along in a netbook. The smallest ones have terrible keyboards/input methods. Awful screens. The list goes on. The iPad seems like it does everything a $300 netbook does, just far, far better, in a nicer package. This won't replace a Mac Book, but it is not intended to.

Have you ever seen a $500 Netbook though? Big difference. Why do you think people buy them? If they were as horrible as you state they would not be selling this well.
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i can see buying one instead of a Kindle because you get so much more functionality for a little more $$$. As a replacement for a $300 laptop or netbook, no way.

That all depends on what you are buying the laptop/netbook for. For many this would be more than enough, especially once developers start writing apps for it.
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Too bad you don't like it and are crying and complaining- but don't you think Apple is just giving the masses what they want?

No, but I guess we will find out.



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Count me in as well.

I would have bought one in a second if it had a front facing camera. Without it, I can wait til the next one.
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Great review/preview danny. I think these will sell like hotcakes, ti's still the same blah about apple, then everyone goes out and buys their superior product.

Good work Steve and co, we are proud as apple fans to be on the forefront of computer evolution, we are proud of a new cpu that is branded as apple A4, those pa semi guys sure did a lot of good work there, many, many, many kudos to them, proud for a new astounding product just like we've always been, let the others follow again and try to catch up. And maybe we can't colonise the moon with the ipad, but we know if someone one day is going to bring moon colonisation to the masses, apple is going to be the one who does it.

This one's for you Stevo, may you live a long long time and continue to amaze us. And to all the apple crew who worked hard and painstakingly to bring apple once again to the forefront of innovation, you are the real stars, we love you, keep up the good work, it's appreciated.
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yet HP is going to market a tablet running a full version of Windows 7

So? Tablet PCs have been around almost a decade. They all just dump hardware on the market with the latest release of Windows. Nothing is going to change that. Microsoft will only ever make "full blown Windows," because they're afraid of losing the Windows monopoly.
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No, but I guess we will find out.



Look who's here everyone, Teckstud! Welcome back!

I was just watching your volcano lair while you were away. Honestly.

You never bothered me once...

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i have a 2 year old that know how to use my iphone. he loves it. too bad he will hate the iPad since there is no Flash support. that means websites like Playhouse Disney and Thomas and Friends won't work.

and it would suck for school. no multitasking means no Pandora and doing homework at the same time

iPhone + no Flash = love
iPad + no Flash = hate

Ok....

Flash support would be nice at times, but your reasoning makes no sense.
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Have you ever used a $300 netbook? I have. They are slow and use awful operating systems- either the outdated XP, or a variation of Vista, which limps along in a netbook. The smallest ones have terrible keyboards/input methods. Awful screens. The list goes on. The iPad seems like it does everything a $300 netbook does, just far, far better, in a nicer package. This won't replace a Mac Book, but it is not intended to.


i've put Vista on a 6 year old Dell Inspiron with 2GB RAM and it runs perfectly fine. i even put TeamViewer on my mom's laptop so i can get into it from 2000 miles away if she needs help. i run Windows 7 on my 6 year old desktop at work with no problems. i have an old G4 Mac Mini and it works as well.

I can buy a $500 netbook that can decode h264 in hardware, runs flash, i can play back any codec i want on it, play games via the Steam client, i can listen to Pandora and work at the same time, and a long list of other features that the iPad can't do only due to the software limitations. the hardware looks pretty good. Dell Mini's will run OS X natively if i wanted OS X on a netbook
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iPhone + no Flash = love
iPad + no Flash = hate

Ok....

Flash support would be nice at times, but your reasoning makes no sense.

no flash on iphone and no multi tasking is getting annoying. if i bought this my son would want to use it. once his websites don't work, he will hate it. no flash means most of the internet won't work on it unless there is an app for a website.

if this is a netbook replacement, it needs to at least support features that netbooks support and not limit the software i can install. it's ok for a cell phone, not for what supposed to be a computer

and I think the entire tablet thing from all manufacturers is a scam and a fad. dumbed down and locked device who's only purpose is to make you buy "content" and raise the ARPU of the device
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Have you ever seen a $500 Netbook though? Big difference. Why do you think people buy them? If they were as horrible as you state they would not be selling this well.

Yes. My 9.5 year old iBook 466 SE still outperforms them, for the most part. People buy netbooks because they want something cheap to browse the internet with, and send e-mail. They sold well because they were cheap.
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Oh come on - give me a second chance. Everybody deserves one- even Obama is getting applause tonight.


Obama isn't going to get any applause once the unemployment numbers come out, Sam's Club is laying off 11,200, Home Depo is laying off 7,000 and Version is laying off 13,000...


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Dell Mini's will run OS X natively if i wanted OS X on a netbook

You obviously say that simply because you read it somewhere
Do it and see what a piece of crap you get.
It is possible, we did it, but the result is pathetic. garbage!
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Yes. My 9.5 year old iBook 466 SE still outperforms them, for the most part. People buy netbooks because they want something cheap to browse the internet with, and send e-mail. They sold well because they were cheap.

The sell well because they do what they're advertised to do at an inexpensive price and are convenient as they do it.
By the way - How much did that iBook 466 SE sell for in the year 2000 and how much would that convert to today's price $? Ever think about that?
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Completely useless and redundant for me. I have a computer. I once had an iPod Touch and sold it to get an iPhone. I see no reason to buy this whatsoever. I wouldn't buy it at any price. If you gave it to me for free it'd just sit around and I'd never use it.

Maybe, if I didn't already have a Cintiq, I'd consider finger-painting.
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I'll probably end up getting the 32GB WiFi only model. I don't need 3G or GPS... my iPhone can handle those tasks just fine. Besides, still hoping AT&T eventually gets around to allow tethering on the iPhone (not holding my breath though).

It will be interesting to see what other applications are developed for it! I can definitely see this thing taking the place of a laptop. Especially with the ability to use a physical keyboard with it. Would be nice if someone develops a text editor for coding. Would REALLY be nice if Panic released a version of Coda for it.
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Great product, but no (Skype) videocall feature , no deal for me for now.\
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Obama isn't going to get any applause once the unemployment numbers come out, Sam's Club is laying off 11,200, Home Depo is laying off 7,000 and Version is laying off 13,000...


BTW: I just edited my Location, I was mistaken for you there for awhile by the rest and trolled pretty hard as you can see by my signature.

Your not on my Ignore yet, until you prove otherwise of course.

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You obviously say that simply because you read it somewhere
Do it and see what a piece of crap you get.
It is possible, we did it, but the result is pathetic. garbage!

Amen.

As for flash, this dead technology everyone is abandoning, I challenged in another thread anyone to come up with 10 flash websites they visit regularly, I mean we visit 100s of websites in a few weeks. Guess what, nobody took me up on that challenge, cause well, no one can even find ten flash website they visit regularly...ssshhhh....

This is a revolutionary device from a company and a leader that have always pushed the envelope in terms of computer technology.

And here the are themselves, exposing themselves in the forefront, not showing some crappy prototypes, but actual devices that will enable people and enrich their lives.

And f.ing flash is going to mar this? Is it that big a deal?

Of course it's not.

Cause some people like Steve with a borrowed liver and lots of will to live and create will always be there, and make things happen, things that enable us, and make our day to day lives easier, more practical, more intuitive, and some people are just going to bitch and whine and moan, then copy and follow. That's just the way it is.

In a few months we will all be enjoying our ipads, loving them, and we ll be thinking how we did without them.
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Have you ever used a $300 netbook? I have. They are slow and use awful operating systems- either the outdated XP, or a variation of Vista, which limps along in a netbook. The smallest ones have terrible keyboards/input methods. Awful screens. The list goes on. The iPad seems like it does everything a $300 netbook does, just far, far better, in a nicer package. This won't replace a Mac Book, but it is not intended to.

I know about me, but have you? vista?

does everything thata net book does? lol

I have a netbook, keys are perfectly fine. Of course easier than my touch. But with my netbook, I can load up itunes and sync to my ipod (or an iPad if I sprung for one), at the same time I can surf the web and look at some flash animated website, while bringing up my pidgin window and chat to my family and then bring up skype and video chat with them. I can install more RAM and update the HDD. I can install any program I want, or if I feel especially frisky, install OSX. Plus the battery allows me to stay online for nearly 10 hours.


Two utterly seperate target markets, but making stupid comments doesnt help anything
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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD View Post

Have you ever seen a $500 Netbook though? Big difference. Why do you think people buy them? If they were as horrible as you state they would not be selling this well.

This is a fairly subjective comment and misses the mark completely. In the Windows segment, netbook sales growth outpaced that of traditional laptops over the previous few quarters. That's sales growth, not necessarily total shipments. Additionally, it was clear that low-price, low-margin netbooks cannibalized sales PC maker's more expensive devices. People aren't necessarily buying them because they LIKE netbooks; they're buying them primarily because they're cheap and because they are being positioned by sales reps at the likes of Best Buy as laptops rather than netbooks.

However, that doesn't mean that the product category is doing well, and positioning the product improperly leads to improper expectations of what the netbook should do, leading to consumer backlash. If you look closely at the reported numbers, most, if not all, netbook manufacturers have provided sales OR unit shipment numbers, but no information on returns, presumably because returns are booked into the retailer's results rather than the manufacturer's. This is critical because I saw a long line of people returning netbooks at Best Buy shortly after Christmas. Eight months ago, Intel noted that some of its manufacturer partners had return rates of 30%+ and called it "a disaster".

I don't know what the actual figure is, but I'm pretty confident that Apple doesn't have a 30% return rate on its products. If you have one of these $500 netbooks and you're happy with it, then good for you. However, the fact you have one and like it does not make it the best thing on the market. For reasons too numerous to discuss here, I do see where Apple is going with the iPad, and I for one am pretty confident that they will succeed in this segment, while the netbook market will continue to wallow along seeking some solid direction. The iPad is a highly-focused device. Like the iPod and iPhone before it, it may not do EVERYTHING, but the things it does do, it does exceptionally well. And history says that that approach will win the day.

On a side note:
My guess on the lack of camera is that if I had an iPad with a front-facing camera, I'd expect to be able to video chat with it even on 3G. Sadly, neither AT&T (nor Verizon for that matter) offers a fast and reliable enough upstream channel to make that a decent experience. Hopefully HSPA+ on AT&T will be sufficient to allow the next generation of devices to have that function. Verizon LTE is still too far off from mass coverage to be in the running, so... maybe we won't see video conferencing for at least another year, maybe even 2.
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no flash on iphone and no multi tasking is getting annoying. if i bought this my son would want to use it. once his websites don't work, he will hate it. no flash means most of the internet won't work on it unless there is an app for a website.

if this is a netbook replacement, it needs to at least support features that netbooks support and not limit the software i can install. it's ok for a cell phone, not for what supposed to be a computer

and I think the entire tablet thing from all manufacturers is a scam and a fad. dumbed down and locked device who's only purpose is to make you buy "content" and raise the ARPU of the device

Totally agree- this Apple blockage of flash is like what China does to Google. Enough!
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Guess what, nobody took me up on that challenge, cause well, no one can even find ten flash website they visit regularly...ssshhhh....
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you ignoring the replies does not equate to nobody taking up that challange
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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD View Post

Oh come on - give me a second chance. Everybody deserves one- even Obama is getting applause tonight.

Welcome back! (What happened to MrKoolaid?)

I do have to congratulate you on one thing (and, admittedly, it was one where I thought you were totally off-base): You were the first one to call it an iPad. I can't stand the name, and I think you deserve the blame for why Apple ended up calling it that.

PS: Sorry about the Jets.
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Originally Posted by KingKuei View Post

This is a fairly subjective comment and misses the mark completely. In the Windows segment, netbook sales growth outpaced that of traditional laptops over the previous few quarters. That's sales growth, not necessarily total shipments. Additionally, it was clear that low-price, low-margin netbooks cannibalized sales PC maker's more expensive devices. People aren't necessarily buying them because they LIKE netbooks; they're buying them primarily because they're cheap and because they are being positioned by sales reps at the likes of Best Buy as laptops rather than netbooks.

However, that doesn't mean that the product category is doing well, and positioning the product improperly leads to improper expectations of what the netbook should do, leading to consumer backlash. If you look closely at the reported numbers, most, if not all, netbook manufacturers have provided sales OR unit shipment numbers, but no information on returns, presumably because returns are booked into the retailer's results rather than the manufacturer's. This is critical because I saw a long line of people returning netbooks at Best Buy shortly after Christmas. Eight months ago, Intel noted that some of its manufacturer partners had return rates of 30%+ and called it "a disaster".

I don't know what the actual figure is, but I'm pretty confident that Apple doesn't have a 30% return rate on its products. If you have one of these $500 netbooks and you're happy with it, then good for you. However, the fact you have one and like it does not make it the best thing on the market. For reasons too numerous to discuss here, I do see where Apple is going with the iPad, and I for one am pretty confident that they will succeed in this segment, while the netbook market will continue to wallow along seeking some solid direction. The iPad is a highly-focused device. Like the iPod and iPhone before it, it may not do EVERYTHING, but the things it does do, it does exceptionally well. And history says that that approach will win the day.

Seems like you totally missed what was coming out of last week's CES- all the new more powerful netbooks. The iPad seems highly focused as an extension of the iTunes(Books) store- that's all.
Where is the netbook "wallowing along seeking solid direction"- that seems kind of just dismissive - nothing more.
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