Hands on with Apple's iPad (with videos and photos) - Page 4

Wait for the full moon and watch for mood changes?...

i pads, maxi pads...

never mind...

Yes, the iPad is destined to compete with the PS3. I also wonder if I asked you what a "Cell" processor is, if you would be able to answer correctly.

1) Although it is deemed iPhone OS 3.2 it doesn't make sense that it is called iPhone OS since this clearly is a different implementation unlike what the iPod Touch borrows. I suspect either this will become the iPad OS (not likely) or that 3.2 is a stop-gap version and will never be released on production devices. More likely a unified version (4.0) will go out for the iPad, iPhone, and iPod. Apple should change the name from iPhone OS to OSX Mobile.

2) Since they are super sizing the apps from the iPhone to the iPad, then what's stopping them from allowing Mac owners to run them on Mac OSX? One would say the device itself as the controller. Couldn't Apple (with all their brains) make a Wii-like controller the emulates having an iPhone/iPod for the Macs. Call it "Magic Wand".

3) We only got half the story today. Where's the TV, newspaper, and magazine subscriptions? Not to mention Lala integration. I suppose those things warrant another media event around the time the iPad goes on sale.

4) These things will sell 10 of millions if Apple can produce them fast enough. I plan on buying the low-end wi-fi only version. Why? Wi-fi is everywhere and soon to be in cars via wi-fi modem sticks (Ford's next version of Sync). It is strange that AT&T is the only 3G option - very strange.

On the other hand I was gaming for a lot more flash in each model. This limitation is a big disappointment, especially in a device that will be able to run a wide variety of apps.

The performance is not un expected either, but I'm biting at the tooth for more technical info with respect to the engine driving the iPad. For example how much RAM are we dealing with here, how many ARM cores, what is the GPU and finally what else is integrated into the SoC? This is where Appleinsider needs to concentrate it's bloggers, dig deep and pry out the info. I only ask because the few videos I've seen seem to indicate surprisingly good performance. Plus knowing the RAM allottment will tell us a lot about future software capabilities and user multitasking support.

I will put this politely as I can but requiring an external dongle for USB and SD Card support is grossly stupid in my mind. At a minimal the tablet needs one standard USB port. Support for a built in SD slot would have been better too. Especially considering Apple seemed to be standardizing on that card slot.

All in all it looks like it is close to what I was expecting. Not to bad, but way stingy with respect to flash. I would have preferred a 7" model for greater portability but let's imagine that as a future product.

Oh one more thing, the camera free nature and the option of deleting 3G will be huge for business adoption. I suspect this adoption will ramp significantly once the version 4 software comes out.


Dave

Leather? from Apple? The flip case?

You mean plastic case, Apple I don't think will do leather, upset too many animal huggers, and sorry no I didn't get a price from the private live stream I had today, it wasn't announced.

No your right, it was stupid of Apple to not include a SD slot, a recessed spring loaded SD slot actually with support up to 2TB SDXC's including the speed. That's the future, video on SD cards and then transfer to iPad for viewing.

Opps bad Apple, missed that boat.



Business don't do Apple, they don't do glossy portables and they certainly won't do iPad's in any significant amounts, just niche uses here and there. Hospitals might like it though.

I disagree on the OS X labeling. Apple has tried to differentiate between its handheld mobiles and laptops and desktops. For example, when someone says "Windows Mobile", there is a certain degree of expectation that comes with that name in terms of how the software should look, feel, and function. I think Apple is trying to avoid what happened to early netbooks when they were sold as cheap laptops, then dealt with consumer backlash because they weren't sufficiently powerful enough to do all that laptops were expected to do. (May 2009, Intel conference where it was mentioned that some manufacturers saw 30%+ return rates on their netbooks.) So I think AVOIDING the term OS X means that users don't confuse the two classes of devices and therefore sets the proper expectations for performance and function. If it wasn't clear from the presentation, the iPad is not supposed to compete with netbooks (Jobs called them "cheap laptops", which they are), but rather, stands on its own as a new device category. Comparing the iPad to a netbook is useless as Apple clearly sees the intended market a little differently.

And AT&T is the logical choice as they are the only major US provider that operates both 3G and EDGE networks on the same frequencies that other major carriers do around the world. Adding extra chips to support other standards and frequencies doesn't seem necessary when Apple is already selling plenty of iPhones (and now iPads, presumably) without them.

Look up "Cell processor" in Wikipedia yourself, my point was that although the iPad looks fast now, it's not going to be the case once apps are scaled up to meet it's limited performance and heat capability.

It's only 1 Ghz, not very much, even if they put a lot of bandwidth in the thing.

Why didn't Apple provide a SDK dual compiler for OS X on Mac's too? Think it would help Mac sales right? Run the same apps on your iPhone as your new Mac, screw Windows right?

It's because Apple wants this new closed App Store universe and everyone else is being shown the Bootcamp> Learn Windows > Out the door you go.




They are waiting to see how well it sells before committing, letting the desperate (still technically bankrupt) NY Times be the test subject as it seems Apple is going to want a cut of ad revenue too.




Know when to say when!

Don't iPad and Drive!

because thats relevant to the discussion

of course, problems have to happen to every single person to be valid....

but once again, seeing as you are apparently not capable of understanding.

No sketchy apps
No jailbreaking

Apple apps

if the ipod has no flash support, how is it the fault of the plug-in?

I see it as a replacement for both and will get one the moment it is out in Canada (and I just got a great Asus netbook with 8-10 hour battery life that I really like, am also a real Tablet (as in stylus) user). The iPad is going to change things in a big way, for me at least.

philip

I have an HP2710p. Nice tablet ( not the same type as the iPad or the newer touch HP) and I really prefer nontouch screens for writing during lectures. But, HP is no Apple. I'll be getting an iPad the second it's available.

philip

One of the strengths of Kindle is anyone can publish a book. I've done one (check out my blog in my sig if curious). The tools when I used them were clunky but not too hard. If this is only open to big publishers, it will stifle the kind of creativity you should be able to get from electronic publishing with almost zero cost if a book doesn't sell.

I can't find any info on how to publish (though that hasn't stopped several people advertising services to do so for you).

Except it is not supposed to be a computer.

It is supposed to be a tablet - not a tablet as in "touch screen computer without keyboard", but tablet as in new platform.

Different question is, is it offering enough to be considered - and accepted - as a new platform? I am a bit doubtful at present, but lets wait and see what developers will do with it.

I have no doubts, however, that it will sell well... enough. But will it repeat stellar success of an iPhone, that I am a bit doubtful of. Time will tell.

As it is, for me, it doesn't work. I want a tablet that will replace my laptop. I have iPhone for ultra portable and big bad desktop for heavy duty, so I need something to be more portable than laptop, yet capable of doing most if not all of the laptop duties. It doesn't have to be fully featured Intel based computer - I am OK with any exotic hardware manufacturer is willing to put in - al long as it is opened enough. Which it isn't. Personally, I need an option to connect it to my home network and grab files from my server, as well as to easily copy files back - documents, old ebooks I already have, images, comics. I need to plug card reader and dump photos from my SLR on travels. I can go without editing them on tablet, but at least I'd like to sort them, remove bad ones, eventually email a few to my family and friends on the go. And I need MS Office compatibility. Option to plug USB flash or HDD to copy files to or from. Heck, option to plug mouse or joypad for some games (old school, me). And list goes on.

So definitely not for me. But I'm sure number of people who will find it doing all they need of it will be big enough to keep platform alive and healthy.

Apple's iBook is based on ePub. That means that the user has choice in terms of layout (font for instance), because ePub is more of a content standard than a visualisation standard.

But what about truly stunning books where you want to control layout precisely. Where in your text, you have added 3D-models of what you describe. Where you have large complex mathematical formula's that have to look TeX-like gorgeous?

All the Big Boys [Content Producers ala Time Warner, Sony, Microsoft, etc] are licensees of H.264 and WebKit is even being ported to WinCE to have native HTML5.

Unless the referencing style I am compelled to use at University (AGLC if you care) will permit paragraph pinpointing for text books, this kind of flexibility is going to have little value to me as a student. These are pertinent questions if the tertiary education sector are going to take e-book seriously.

What a tragic young life - torn between and anti-apple pro-flash dichotomy at just two years old. Cast into a life of hatred and techno-dystopia before he ever knew what HTML5 is!

And to think 100 years ago he'd be three years from a life down the mines.

Poor child - how far we have regressed!

If only he was smart enough to know about push-notification, but alas it seems he has an idiot for a father who is intent on stifling his progress through life in order to make fatuous points on the internet.

EXACTLY!

Your last statement is 'spot-on' nikon133

and here's more from Wilson Rothman (in Giz) that confirms it....

"We can sit here in our geeky little dorkosphere arguing about it all day, but as much as Apple clearly enjoys our participation, the people Jobs wants to sell this to don't read our rants. They can't even understand them. My step-mother refuses to touch computers, but nowadays checks email, reads newspapers and plays Solitaire on an iPod Touch, after basically picking it up by accident one day. That's a future iPad user if I ever saw one.
Jobs doesn't care about the netbook business, or the ebook business. He's just aiming for the same people they were aiming at. The difference is, he's going to reach them. And the fight will be with whoever enters into the tablet business with him. Paging Mr. Ballmer..."

Many books on the iPhone are published as apps. For books with fancy formatting and embedded media, this is probably the normal way they will be published on iPad.

Since Apple makes its money on hardware, there's no reason for them not to continue to allow competing ebook readers, such as Kindle and Stanza, so you can publish through them.

Finally, since iBook uses ePub, an open standard, there will probably be an easy way to get any non-DRM ePub books into iBook.

Thanks -- I may have to try one of those -- but being able to put a title into the bookstore should be easy and open as it is with Kindle.

"Ruggedized?" \

Am I the only one thinking "This is the same resolution as... an iTunes LP?"

Beautifully expressed

We really need to look at the bigger picture here.

Today Apple showed iWork and it looked brilliant. Anyone who has watched Jeff Han's demo from 2006 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwGAKUForhM) will be able to imagine where we will be with the iPad in maybe 3 years time.

This is huge. Imagine a 27" iPad desktop built to sit on a flat table at an angle with a slide-out mechanical keyboard at the base. Proper horsepower from the latest desktop chips and GB's of storage from standard HD's. This is where it's going.

When we look back at images of 70's offices we see paper, pens and typewriters. We can instantly identify 80's and 90's by seeing beige CRT monitors everywhere. 00's offices are recognisable by seeing mostly flat panel monitors. In a few years time these will be gone and it will be back to flat desks only this time with multi-touch screens. It's progress folks and we've just seen the future.

Sure for the moment it's a cheap, low power portable device, but it has to start that way to get the new format accepted in big numbers. Soon it will everywhere.

Yes, we have a winner!

Stayed up late (in Europe) to watch the keynote, and it was worth it. 3G was a real cliffhanger.

I like the low weight. In the videos, it looked like people were holding it comfortably with one hand.

Apple better ramp up production. People will go crazy at launch. Expect it to be "constrained" for some time. Positive surprise that they will launch internationally right away.

Pretty much according to my expectations. Minor missing (HW) features:

- iSight camera
- SD slot

Wishing for cloud (MobileMe) sync, to make more of a stand-alone computer. Perhaps that's coming in iPhone OS 4.0?

Best,

Daniel

I think that is the only missing feature that I considered a must. I might wait for a 2nd generation, hoping the camera will be there along with iChat app.

Not just newspapers and magazines but also comics. I think it would be greatly appreciated by a lot of people.

Yeah, I don't think the Macbook has an IPS display.

and what's up with no camera? I think that they are just holding back to make you want the next gen. kind of disappointing.

Funny how existing tablet users seem to like the iPad...

All VERY big markets for this toy.

Add to the things missing (with a huge audience) a camera.

Can you see it now, damn near every service person all over the globe has one, and is able to "Phone home" when they want to.

Every school kids, traveling youth, traveling adults. I'm telling you, ADD the camera, and they increase their market share 10 fold!

Conference calls
Sales Calls
Show & Tell

I just saw a piece on a handheld GPS system that works EVERYWHERE! NO Dead zones, NO Dead Spots! NO need for phone line, wi-fi connection or anything like this.

- http://shop.delorme.com/OA_HTML/DELi...?section=10461

I'm sure it's not the answer YET, but there has to be a way to add this capability to the iPad (God it hurts to say iPad).

Add Flash (or a better option)
Add a Camera and iChat

Sell more then you can make

There's a vast difference between what Apple is doing and what Mozilla has done. Firefox Mobile isn't even at Version 1 yet; they removed support because they couldn't get it to work well at the moment. Obviously they ARE trying to get it to work. I don't see any confirmation that Firefox Mobile's exclusion of Flash is permanent like Apple's.

Yes, seriously, this is the first desktop scale multitouch OS that looks like it would work well as opposed to a tack on to the traditional WIMP interface outside a few concept videos.

There are probably guys at MS Research thinking "WTF am I working at Xerox PARC for? We had something like that 4 years ago and great UI designs for Surface...but noooo...it's gotta work on top of the desktop in Win7."

iWork was brilliant. Calendar was great too. That thing just rocks and I think most folks will get it (and buy it too) after they get to hold and use one.

It has many limits, sure. But for a rev 1 product, two months from launch it looked spectacular. All the limits, I think, are to preserve teh snappy to make the UX truly magnificent.

Apple's ipad is the best way to experience the web, email, photos and videos.It is a multi touch screen.Apple ipad is compatible with almost all of the existing apps , they offer a huge initial library of content to get owners started on. The large, high-resolution screen makes iPad perfect for watching any kind of video: from HD movies and TV shows, to podcasts and music videos.With the iPod app, all your music is literally at your fingertips. You can browse by album, song, artist, or genre, with a simple flick. To play a song, just tap it, and the now playing screen will show the album art at full size
The iBooks app is a great, new way to read and buy books.1 Just download the app for free from the App Store, and youll be able to buy everything from classics to bestsellers from the built-in iBookstore.The Home Screen gives you one-tap access to everything on iPad. You can also customize your Home Screen by adding your favorite apps and websites, or using your own photos for the background. And you can move apps around to arrange them in any order you want.Spotlight Search allows you to search across iPad, and all of its built-in apps.Its available at very affordable prices.Starting from $499 only.Wow.Great going apple.

First post, may not even be the correct thread but be interested in people's thoughts on this...

Something that I haven't seen much mention of so far is how are our friends in Redmond going to respond to the iPad as they may have backed themselves into an awkward situation regards tablets and netbooks - the upper limit for Microsoft and their partners in terms of tablet pricing is now $499, simply because Microsoft's advertising line has been to push Apple as 'expensive' and PC as 'value for money' or cheap as most people on here probably regard them.

Now that the iPad starts at $499 Microsoft and their partners either need to bring their tablet devices in below that price - in which case they will probably be competing directly with Windows powered netbooks so how do they differentiate between Windows powered tablets and netbooks? If they go above $499 then they have a brand positioning issue as the argument about 'expensive Apple' falls apart.

So, can Microsoft and their partners produce something that can upstage the iPad from a design and user experience perspective and do it cheaper, or do they simply hope that the iPad is a failure, accept that tablets are never going to work and hope that everyone forgets about how strongly they were being pushed at CES?

Two more up-dates (within a year) and we get most of what we want to make this a killer toy.

If they get 5 - 10 million sold at each addition that's 10 -20 MILLION more Apple users (and a boat load of money in Bank of Apple). The 10-20 more is on top of the 8-10 million they should sell of the first version.

Apple has done this with damn near each and ever one of their products, and I see no reason why this is going to change.

So sometime between August - November Apple WILL add the camera or whichever feature seems to be the most request (or will they add the least requested, saving the best for last?)

One of the things thats most exciting for me, is to see where this is going to go. And lets' not forget, others WILL try to copy it. They will have there's with some of the features Apples doesn't currently have (the smart thing to do), which then causes Apple to add features faster : great for us.

In 2-3 years this will be just what we want it to be NOW! Which won't matter, because in 2-3 years Apple WILL be coming out with the Next BIG thing

since this was all over the news last night my wife asked me about it because they said steve jobs said it's better than a laptop. i said you can't play farmville on it because it. that was the end of her interest in it.

my wife likes to play farmville after we put our son to sleep on her lenovo laptop. Zynga has tens of millions of users playing their games and you need Adobe Flash.