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post #161 of 410
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Originally Posted by al_bundy View Post

no flash on iphone and no multi tasking is getting annoying. if i bought this my son would want to use it. once his websites don't work, he will hate it. no flash means most of the internet won't work on it unless there is an app for a website.

if this is a netbook replacement, it needs to at least support features that netbooks support and not limit the software i can install. it's ok for a cell phone, not for what supposed to be a computer

and I think the entire tablet thing from all manufacturers is a scam and a fad. dumbed down and locked device who's only purpose is to make you buy "content" and raise the ARPU of the device

It was rumored to be Steve Jobs proudest moment. Very sad.
This device us locked to iTunes and Avis many features, multitasking, closed end OS, no camera, no voice to text and so much more.
post #162 of 410
I can't believe they went for the "iPad" name

Is there a chance they could change the name again? Other then iSlate or iTablet?

iBook would've made so much sense.
post #163 of 410
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Originally Posted by al_bundy View Post

since this was all over the news last night my wife asked me about it because they said steve jobs said it's better than a laptop. i said you can't play farmville on it because it. that was the end of her interest in it.

my wife likes to play farmville after we put our son to sleep on her lenovo laptop. Zynga has tens of millions of users playing their games and you need Adobe Flash.

if farmville was actually worthy of being played you would have a point. BUT consider you can play games like simcity on the Touch, and I'm sure an even better version will become available. Why don't you just tell your wife to play simfarm?

Is this really what people do? Play games on the internet? No reading, no imagination fascination? No interest in figuring out how the ACTUAL world works? Just plain boring flash games. Of coarse I find gaming on a PS3 boring. The best game = tetris. What else would a person need?
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post #164 of 410
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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD View Post

Too bad you don't like it and are crying and complaining- but don't you think Apple is just giving the masses what they want?

Apple never gives the masses what they want. Instead, they give the masses what Apple "knows" is best for the masses. That's a big reason for Apple's market share.
post #165 of 410
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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD View Post

A lot of us wanted a Mac like that that with a USB port. Seems like a lost opportunity like the AppleTV. Don't know why I would ever want or need to have this when I have an iPhone. To read magazines only purchasable from iTunes(Books)?

Every magazine is already available on the 'web for free. If this is supposed to revive the industry, I don't see how it will do so. I see no compelling, game-changing aspect of this device. It looks like a very fun toy computer, but nothing more.
post #166 of 410
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Originally Posted by mjtomlin View Post

So? Tablet PCs have been around almost a decade. They all just dump hardware on the market with the latest release of Windows. Nothing is going to change that. Microsoft will only ever make "full blown Windows," because they're afraid of losing the Windows monopoly.

Wrong. They currently make Windows 7 in a stripped down version for small devices. But your fantasies about their strategy are fascinating.
post #167 of 410
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Originally Posted by stevegmu View Post

Yes. My 9.5 year old iBook 466 SE still outperforms them, for the most part. People buy netbooks because they want something cheap to browse the internet with, and send e-mail. They sold well because they were cheap.

And that is the (only?) niche for the 'Pad. It is great for folks who do not want/need a computer, and would be flummoxed by a real computer. Other folks will continue to buy lots of netbooks.
post #168 of 410
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Originally Posted by stevegmu View Post

Have you ever used a $300 netbook? I have. They are slow and use awful operating systems- either the outdated XP, or a variation of Vista, which limps along in a netbook. The smallest ones have terrible keyboards/input methods. Awful screens. The list goes on. The iPad seems like it does everything a $300 netbook does, just far, far better, in a nicer package. This won't replace a Mac Book, but it is not intended to.

Have you used a new one? My daughter got an HP 10" running Win 7 and it is very snappy, looks good and has a very usable keyboard. All for $249 on sale. Yeah the iPad may do some things better but it is also $499 to start. Oh yeah she has a 160GB harddrive.
post #169 of 410
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Originally Posted by myapplelove View Post

Go on then, I might have missed them, I have life you know, sorry for that, quote them then, quote the ten flash websites that apple is preventing you from viewing, that bad bad bad apple, go on, I am all ears.

Why ten? Why not one, if it is a favorite? There are official sports pages that use flash, are there not? Some folks, believe it or not, are totally into sports.
post #170 of 410
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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD View Post

Too bad you don't like it and are crying and complaining- but don't you think Apple is just giving the masses what they want?

I don't, I think there giving the masses part of what they want and sticking in some huge limitations at the same time. But then people just have to accept what this is, which is an iPAD. HP and the rest are making tablet computers. This isn't a computer, its something that only does what it says on the tin. Bit like a Xbox being just a games console or a PSP being a hand held gaming device. Under it all they all work in similar ways but their capabilities are completely different.
post #171 of 410
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Originally Posted by ranum View Post

In June of 2008, I posted this on AI:
Really looking forward to picking up one of these with the keyboard dock and cover later this year. I just have to start hiding money from the wife.

Heck, for me I think the wife might be hoping I get one of these. I've been debating getting a 15" MBP to use as a portable. However, the real bulk of what we need a portable for is a second computer around the house for web surfing, and then something to take on the road for trips, again for web and e-mail. If I get the MBP, I'll probably do some gaming on it and maybe a few other things but I just don't know that my needs come anywhere close to justifying the $2400 that the 15" MBP will cost me (that's with a 500GB 7200RPM drive and the tax included). On the other hand, the iPad would be much more in line with the things we would most use it for and at almost 1/3rd the price. Decisions, decisions...
post #172 of 410
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Originally Posted by brit120666 View Post

This will be so much better for the things I use my Pro for


Well, it might be better FOR YOU, but for the rest of us, it is a huge disappointment.
post #173 of 410
My two cents on iPad:

1. No multi-tasking.
2. No Flash (which DOES NOT make it a proper browsing device today and probably in the next years while Flash still dominates the market for truly interactive websites; in fact most websites).
3. No proper file system (this will make everything difficult, including managing mail attachments, reading ebooks and videos obtained other than through the Apple-approved stores ...).
4. No Camera(s).
5. No proper SIM/phone capability.
6. Yes it has Maps. But does it have GPS? I guess NO.

I am not talking about desireable but non-vital things here (read lack of SD or USB slots, no OLED, screen resolution circa that of a 2005 plasma screen, no tethering, no iLife, etc.).

The only TWO pluses for me are:

1. A rather reasonable price.

2. Unlocked 3G.

Conclusion: I will wait for version 2.0
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post #174 of 410
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Originally Posted by myapplelove View Post

hahaha, dumb ass turtleneck? Ask yourself why you are in so much pain that apple posted their best quarter ever? Doesn't that make you mad, huh? so out of touch with reality they are, aren't they?

Happy Days was one of the most popular shows on TV before the Fonz jumped the shark. This may be Apple's turn. The disappointment, even among the fanbois, is surprising and telling.
post #175 of 410
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Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post

Unlike your clueless selves. HTML 5 is a reality. YouTube is now on board. It will happen very quickly too.

I sure hope so. But until then, the 'Pad is a crippled toy.
post #176 of 410
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Originally Posted by myapplelove View Post

Yeah I have, but I prefer less idiot sites than cnn or cbs, excuse me for that, if you love these sites, then apple is doing you a favour by not supporting them in flash,


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post #177 of 410
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Originally Posted by al_bundy View Post

no flash on iphone and no multi tasking is getting annoying. if i bought this my son would want to use it. once his websites don't work, he will hate it. no flash means most of the internet won't work on it unless there is an app for a website.

if this is a netbook replacement, it needs to at least support features that netbooks support and not limit the software i can install. it's ok for a cell phone, not for what supposed to be a computer

and I think the entire tablet thing from all manufacturers is a scam and a fad. dumbed down and locked device who's only purpose is to make you buy "content" and raise the ARPU of the device

For a two year-old to "hate" anything is a very bad indicator of how he's being brought up.
post #178 of 410
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Originally Posted by rtdunham View Post

speaking of third party apps, the link below shows a screen from Delicious Library 2. Looks a lot like iBook, eh?

http://www.albinotricolors.com/image...ouslibrary.jpg

did apple recently acquire that cool app?

The bookshelf graphic eye candy is used in more than that one app. Apple did not innovate (from what I have seen so far) one iota with the iBook app. It is a "me-too" app that is a huge disappointment.

Wasn't the 'Pad going to save publishing?
post #179 of 410
I see many comments on what it can and can not do. My biggest concern is usability. It really looks awkward to use. My iPhone will do pretty much anything the iPad can do and more (like make phone calls and be used with one hand). I can use my iPhone on the go. If I am downtown DC and need a restaurant, I pull my phone from my pocket and use it with one hand. I am having a hard time figuring out where this thing will fit in. I really wanted it to be awesome but am now finding it not so much. If I dock it with the keyboard at my desk why not use my 27" iMac. Productivity is a joke so that is out the window. Can this thing even print? My vote is still out. I want to read hands on reviews, I want to see how people will use this in their lives. I had hoped to dump my iPhone, get a cheap phone and have this but now I am unsure.
post #180 of 410
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Originally Posted by nitro View Post

i will definitely buy it for my mom and dad.

Remember that this is not a standalone device. It's an iPod (essentially). You must still manage it from iTunes on a separate computer. Do mom and dad already have a computer?
post #181 of 410
There is a non user replaceable battery in the ipad, and the device is being marketed as a gaming/ multimedia machine. Are we to assume that the battery will last the life of the device? Has battery tech come that far?
post #182 of 410
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Originally Posted by Boogerman2000 View Post

There is a non user replaceable battery in the ipad, and the device is being marketed as a gaming/ multimedia machine. Are we to assume that the battery will last the life of the device? Has battery tech come that far?

Non-replaceable battery is the new 'no right-click'.

Consumers have voted with their wallets. Give it up already.
post #183 of 410
Cheeses!

All this whining about Flash.
No Flash, No Deal.

Flash is today's floppy disk. Apple was the first to kill the floppy (and the first to use the 3 1/2" floppy, BTW). So, Apple are the first to kill Flash.

I loaded ClickToFlash on my Mac a couple of months ago and I do not miss it. If there's Flash content, I can click it, but not being forced to wait for every advertisement or ego-trip-graphic to load is a godsend!

Try it for awhile and see how much you like it after living without it.
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post #184 of 410
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Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post

Or the never ending fun when you sync, only to have the ipod tell you that there are no songs/videos on the thing (check apple support forum for that fun, its been happening since early last year)

I have NEVER owned a device with as many problems as the iPhone/iTunes. Just yesterday, I finally got the damned thing to get out of the Apple Screen of Death and into Recovery Mode, so that I could format the drive and reinstall the OS.


I never know if iTunes will claim that another iPod has been synced with the computer, and fail to recognise the device. The funny thing is, it does it sometimes directly after a successful sync.

And if a phone call comes in mid-sync? Fuggedaboutit. The device will malfunction.
post #185 of 410
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Originally Posted by joshdelph View Post


People have asked the question "What will OS11 look like?" I think Apple has answered that question.

Think about the potential and I think you will get excited.

But think about today's reality and I think you will get disappointed.

And as for as the OS of the future, do you really think it will:

Have no multitasking?
Have no ability to run independently created apps?
Have extremely limited support for common media formats?

I dunno. I think you are grasping at straws. The 'Pad is a dumbed down toy, and not a real computer at all.
post #186 of 410
Reality check here. Floppy != Flash.
Totally different situation, totally different subject.

Flash sucks, but it's a neccessity. A lot sites run it.
Only reason uncle Jobs leaves it out is that it will be able to run games, music and movies,
which bypasses his precious iTunes/AppStore model.

It doesn't have anything to do with technical reasons here. Adobe has developed an iPhone specific version which appears to run fast and without much CPU requirements.
This is why it will be possible to export Flash games to iPhone soon (announced a while back).
Now that wouldn't be possible if the Flash players was crap, believe me (I'm a games developer).


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Originally Posted by jeffharris View Post

Cheeses!

All this whining about Flash.
No Flash, No Deal.

Flash is today's floppy disk. Apple was the first to kill the floppy (and the first to use the 3 1/2" floppy, BTW). So, Apple are the first to kill Flash.

I loaded ClickToFlash on my Mac a couple of months ago and I do not miss it. If there's Flash content, I can click it, but not being forced to wait for every advertisement or ego-trip-graphic to load is a godsend!

Try it for awhile and see how much you like it after living without it.
post #187 of 410
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Originally Posted by nasdarq View Post

My two cents on iPad:

1. No multi-tasking.
2. No Flash (which DOES NOT make it a proper browsing device today and probably in the next years while Flash still dominates the market for truly interactive websites; in fact most websites).
3. No proper file system (this will make everything difficult, including managing mail attachments, reading ebooks and videos obtained other than through the Apple-approved stores ...).
4. No Camera(s).
5. No proper SIM/phone capability.
6. Yes it has Maps. But does it have GPS? I guess NO.

I am not talking about desireable but non-vital things here (read lack of SD or USB slots, no OLED, screen resolution circa that of a 2005 plasma screen, no tethering, no iLife, etc.).

The only TWO pluses for me are:

1. A rather reasonable price.

2. Unlocked 3G.

Conclusion: I will wait for version 2.0

i think many people forget they'll be marketing this device and have all the book firms backing them...despite the missing features it will sell...

multitasking and webcam will come in ipad 2.0 or ipad 3.0...

i'm glad there's no flash, it's beyond crap...kills my mbp battery...
post #188 of 410
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Originally Posted by dacloo View Post

Reality check here. Floppy != Flash.
.... Adobe has developed an iPhone specific version which appears to run fast and without much CPU requirements....

In stark contrast to Adobe's efforts at Flash on the Mac then!
post #189 of 410
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Originally Posted by mzaslove View Post

I'm with your boss. When I go out of country to shoot my next film, I'm going to give most of the heads of the departments one (and one for myself, of course). All during shooting people are always running up with laptops showing me pics of things to decide on: costume, set, location, etc. This will make that alone a ton easier. Then, I may keep my script on mine (especially if there's some easy notation), and keep colored pages easily up-to-date (and keep all my notes even with changed pages). If I could route the video feeds, I wouldn't need a monitor. I'll probably take one of these and an MBP, and that would take care of any computing needs I'd need for the shoot.

It looks useful FOR YOU, but for the rest of us...
post #190 of 410
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Originally Posted by norddtek View Post

5)its target group is NOT YOU! they are not targetting to geeks or lousy pc users nor mac experts..
its a device for newcomers in technology..


If this is true, it is not an appropriate device for anyone who reads these fora.
post #191 of 410
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Originally Posted by anilsudhakaran View Post

Before ranting about Steve Job's record why don't you tell us what have you done with your life other than shitting and farting.

Loved it.
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post #192 of 410
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Originally Posted by RichyS View Post

Non-replaceable battery is the new 'no right-click'.

Consumers have voted with their wallets. Give it up already.

Listen, it's an honest question. This is a larger device unlike the ipod and iphone so I don't need your catty response. If you have something helpful to add then do so, otherwise shut it.
post #193 of 410
LOL:

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post #194 of 410
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Every magazine is already available on the 'web for free. If this is supposed to revive the industry, I don't see how it will do so. I see no compelling, game-changing aspect of this device. It looks like a very fun toy computer, but nothing more.

I really think the publishing industry started circulating these lofty expectations in hopes that Steve Jobs would create some miracle to save the industry, especially newspapers.

It's too late. After 10 years of "free" information on the web, you can't put the genie back in the bottle. CNN got it right. Pay $2.99 (once) and get our content on your iPhone. The Wall Street Journal screwed up....pay us $8/month-even if you are an existing subscriber. Other newspapers have tried the subscription model and only about 35 people have subscribed. CNBC's content is free.

There is just too much free content available to justify paying hundreds of dollars a year for "throwaway" reading. Novels and textbooks, however, have a fighting chance.
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post #195 of 410
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Originally Posted by MacTel View Post

3) We only got half the story today. Where's the TV, newspaper, and magazine subscriptions? Not to mention Lala integration. I suppose those things warrant another media event around the time the iPad goes on sale.

From what I have read, Apple has had extremely limited success in attracting content providers to the platform. I was skeptical until the presentation, but now, all indications are that it is true.
post #196 of 410
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Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post


As it is, for me, it doesn't work. I want a tablet that will replace my laptop. I have iPhone for ultra portable and big bad desktop for heavy duty, so I need something to be more portable than laptop, yet capable of doing most if not all of the laptop duties. It doesn't have to be fully featured Intel based computer - I am OK with any exotic hardware manufacturer is willing to put in - al long as it is opened enough.

Check out the Android tablets from Archos. They might fit your needs.

The 'Pad is not robust enough to replace a real computer, thereby limiting its functionality. I see the dumbed-down OS as the biggest failing of the device.

It's ugly too, but that is not a huge consideration for me. I once bought a Saab because it was a great car, despite it being ugly.

But for me, for the limited set of stuff the 'Pad will do, I think that a laptop or a netbook or an Archos would work much better. At least on a netbook, I won't have to transcode so much media into the limited world of "works with Apple".
post #197 of 410
I love how everyone who has an iPhone / Macbook combo complain that they have no use for it when the device is meant to be a middle ground between the amazing iPhone and MacBook line...
post #198 of 410
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Originally Posted by jpmuk View Post


Sure for the moment it's a cheap, low power portable device, but it has to start that way to get the new format accepted in big numbers. Soon it will everywhere.

Yeah. Apple always releases cheap low power devices. Just look at the MPB. Or the iPod. Or the iPhone.

No, this is not a brilliant extension of Apple's core strategy. Instead, it is a disappointment. Maybe someday it will be more useful. As of now, it is a shiny new toy which has some usefulness, but not much.

It is certainly not a game-changing innovation.
post #199 of 410
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

If this is true, it is not an appropriate device for anyone who reads these fora.

Well lucky for you you don't have to get one! My god, I have never heard such incessant whining! What on earth did you expect? Whatever it was you clearly don't get the iPad and what this is all about. I think you need to chill, big time, take a step away and look at this in the context of how we (normal people) do and will consume information over the next many years. Give one to one of your kids and see what they do with it and you may learn something. Also, view this as a piece of a larger puzzle for Apple. View it in terms of Apple's move into the living room, the Apple TV and a future where more or less all media will be consumed digitally. For you, personally, stick to your MBP or whatever you use. That's not going away and you can continue as you are.
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Originally Posted by vinea View Post

It has many limits, sure. But for a rev 1 product, two months from launch it looked spectacular. All the limits, I think, are to preserve teh snappy to make the UX truly magnificent.

Canned answer No. 173: The limits are not limits. They are features. If it was better, it would be worse.
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