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post #241 of 410
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Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post

Yea the built in apps, fine, not really needing a lot of FPS anyway, and Apple isn't going to slow the machine down anyway with a lot of fancy GUI eye candy anyway.

But as developers scale up their software to meet the capabilities of the iPad, it's going to slow it down in performance later is my point.

Since most software sold for iPods/iPhones is games, you better believe the same will be for the iPad. And 3D games are taxing to machines, always pushing the limits of quality detail etc.

I got up to a 9 core Cell processor in my PS3, NINE CORES, to drive the High Definition realistic 3D games. How is some 1Ghz air cooled with integrated graphics single core processor going to compete with that? It can't. The iPad doesn't even have a decent resolution screen.

So games and software is going to hit the wall real fast and stop, because any faster will cause too much heat.

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Look up "Cell processor" in Wikipedia yourself, my point was that although the iPad looks fast now, it's not going to be the case once apps are scaled up to meet it's limited performance and heat capability.

It's only 1 Ghz, not very much, even if they put a lot of bandwidth in the thing.

Again, you proved that you don't know anything. 1 ghz is not too much? There are no specific benchmarks or specs on the A4. Put a Pentium 4 2.5 vs a 1.6 now and see which processor wins. But 2.5 is HIGHER than 1.6 so it MUST win. Clock speed is not everything now. People like you just want to complain to complain. And if you don't like the iPad, don't buy it. Millions will though.
post #242 of 410
There are a lot of great things to like about the new iPad and I am really thinking hard about getting one upon release. The thing that really bugs me about the hardware is that there is no SD Card Slot! C'mon would it be that hard to include, so that while on vacation, you take the card out of your camera and just stick it in the iPad without fumbling for another cable?
post #243 of 410
One thing that's bugged me about the advertising so far is that they call the screen HD. Well, unless you consider 720p HD then it is. But most movies that we call HD is actually 1080p (1920x1080), not 1024x768. NOBODY will notice the difference, as i don't notice the difference between the two on my 37" Flat panel, but i think it's just kind of false advertising.
post #244 of 410
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Originally Posted by stevegmu View Post

Have you ever used a $300 netbook? I have. They are slow and use awful operating systems- either the outdated XP, or a variation of Vista, which limps along in a netbook. The smallest ones have terrible keyboards/input methods. Awful screens. The list goes on. The iPad seems like it does everything a $300 netbook does, just far, far better, in a nicer package. This won't replace a Mac Book, but it is not intended to.

[CENTER]As one who will buy an iPad the day it's released...

I'm not the least bit delusional in my thinking that it cannot reasonably replace even the lowliest netbook unless all one uses their netbook for is surfing the WWW and consuming media.

The iPad's lack of (at least) a built-in USB port and a web camera is a serious miscalculation regarding what people actually use these smaller devices for.

I applaud the wonderful (adaptive) effort done to iWork - Multi-Touch Edition, but why even have meida creation software such as this when there's no convenient means of sharing said media e.g. via a simple USB/thumb drive, or HDMI out to a projector?

It's an interesting device that I'm certain to enjoy, but many aspect of the iPad's execution seem strangely out of touch with reality for the average consumer.[/CENTER]
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post #245 of 410
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Originally Posted by theBigD23 View Post

Again, you proved that you don't know anything. 1 ghz is not too much? There are no specific benchmarks or specs on the A4. Put a Pentium 4 2.5 vs a 1.6 now and see which processor wins. But 2.5 is HIGHER than 1.6 so it MUST win. Clock speed is not everything now. People like you just want to complain to complain. And if you don't like the iPad, don't buy it. Millions will though.

[CENTER]Just to set the record straight...

Apple's (alledgedly all new) A4 processor is very capable indeed, but it's hardly anything new, and is (in fact) nothing more than a current ARM Cortex A9, mated to an integrated memory controller, and a Mali 50-series GPU, making it nothing more than another ARM processor rearranged a bit (for good measure).

Admittedly, not all has been revealed as to how much Apple and PA Semi did in terms of arranging, but one thing is indisputable: There's really nothing all that new about Apple's A4, just a bit of 'Badge Engineering'.[/CENTER]
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post #246 of 410
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

This is HUGE (for people like me). Can you tell us more: How does 'the laser pointer you move with your finger' work? How you do you 'paint on the screen' Madden-style? Are both these functionalities built in with this particular version of Keynote?

Go to engadget.com and watch the hands on demo video. It's too cool to watch to spoil in trying to describe.
post #247 of 410
Seems like most of you need to put on a tampon and lie down.
post #248 of 410
Just buy a few shares and lie down and wait a few weeks.
You'll feel better.
Of and btw, this is a transformational device.
Any wannabe iPad from any competitor better come with anti-emetic pills, I tell you.
post #249 of 410
Nah! I don't like it because, in truth I don't like myself a whole lot so I have to lash out at any thing that is cool and super and quality and amazing and all the things that I am not.
Err did I mention the amazing part?
post #250 of 410
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Originally Posted by chano View Post

Seems like most of you need to put on a tampon and lie down.

Maybe an iPad will suffice?
post #251 of 410
I doan liek it becorz I coulda done it betta dan jobs. No hannedriting reconishun. No quaybored. cant espressmiself wid that tutch liek i can on mi delle netbuk. no mows - kils it for me.
post #252 of 410
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Originally Posted by chano View Post

Nah! I don't like it because, in truth I don't like myself a whole lot so I have to lash out at any thing that is cool and super and quality and amazing and all the things that I am not.
Err did I mention the amazing part?

Then why don't you like it then? It's not amazing or super cool. Three years ago maybe but not today.
post #253 of 410
Now don't start Robodude. You diss my Apple, Jobsy rearrange your legs. OK?
post #254 of 410
Does anyone know if ibooks allows cut and paste or highlighting and notation. It seems like these would be necessary for textbooks.
post #255 of 410
But it IS cool. that's why I hates it my precious. If I had a 1000 shares today I would be a millionaire in 5 years. That's why I hates it see?
post #256 of 410
I think, rather as with the iPod, it takes hands on use to help people understand the sheer intimacy of the UX with this device. In the promo video, it is clear that this is going to become the most 'personal' computer to date. I believe that this will be the true 'computer for the rest of us', i.e. the remaining billions of computer-phobes and avoiders, and of course everyone who wants to carry some fun, and light productivity capability with them, everywhere they go.
As with the original iPod in early 2001, people took a long time to get it. Once they did get it, the iPod became the indispensable device for 250 million buyers…. and counting. Even the after-market for the iPod is a multi-billion $ industry. I believe you will find the iPad achieves even greater success in less time.
Consider the rather poky, clunky, 5GB, monochrome 2001 iPod cost 499 in 2002 $s. That's a lot more in today's money. Now compare its spec with the entry level iPad 16GB wifi, at a 2010 price of ooooh $499. Absolutely astonishing value in features, style and functionality terms.
As to the twerps here, with their self-congratulatory, derogatory comments about another great innovation from America's greatest exemplar of success and user-centricity ...... I know just where the 'ilame' adjective should be applied.
This is an amazing, deeply personal device. As a UI designer, I recognise what it will mean to the billions who never felt comfortable with a computer. Most of all, it will come to be seen as the first computer that combines genuine, off-the-office-treadmill, human-scale productivity while also being great fun to use. This was a brave thing for Apple to do. A huge commercial risk, in fact. I think users and AAPL shareholders alike will find great merit in it.
Don't judge it until you have real, personal, experience with it. In an adult that is plain dumb and dishonest.
To the adults here who dismiss it, sight unseen I say, shame on you. Your snarky comments speak volumes about your own personal failings, your risk-cowardice, your easy terminal-cynicism as a first response to everything, your jaded views, low self-worth etc etc. 'fess up now. You know it's true, else why do you advertise your shameless lack of integrity by commenting on something you have never seen or used? Says a whole lot about you. Don't you know that? Eeeesh!
Every honest adult who consumes media, must acknowledge that Apple is their only champion for value. It is changing grasping industry after grasping industry to secure deals for its customers that put them firmly in charge of what they buy and how much they pay for it. In phone deals, in music, movies, tv shows, books, magazines, newspapers, olive oil, candles, underwear .... no wait, that's after they buy WalMart. etc. I wasn't supposed to mention that.

IPad is but the first-gen example of the device that puts so much power into the hands of the consumer.
And so many of you somehow failed to understand this? Ouch! Get aware guys.

I'm giving you pearls here.*
Embrace the iPad.*
It'll make you Prrroouudddd!* (Especially if you are American)

This rant we inspired by Al Pacino's performance in Scent of a woman.
(*with acknowledgments to Bo Goldman)

It's meant to be FUN schtoopid!
Hooo. Ahhhh!

Did this in a rush, sorry for any typos.
post #257 of 410
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Originally Posted by btcutter View Post

$500 Netbook is design for just surfing and light work. It's cheaply built and doesn't last. When you hold one, you know it's cheap.

Subject to interpretation. My Daughter's HP seems very well built. $500? What netbook are you buying. HP Mini 10 with Win 7, $249 on sale.

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Originally Posted by btcutter View Post

$500 Ipad from what I've seen is better at what it's designed to do, surf/email/photos/gaming/applications/music/eReader. It probably won't do as well on purely word processing/excel/powerpoint but it's purpose is to edit existing ones.

A netbook can do all these things. Again, the HP mini 10 can run Office quite well or Open Office. The real keyboard is small but very usable.

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Originally Posted by btcutter View Post

For $500, you WILL get more use out of an iPad than Netbook (90% of the people). Better use and better value.

For $500 I can buy a nice Netbook and have an iPhone that can pretty much do everything the iPad claims to do and make a phone call.

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Originally Posted by btcutter View Post

Oh....which Netbook do you know can run as many applications as it's available on app store and run them well? Netbook gets bogged down easily when you start using intensive editing programs.

Yes the app store is nice but chocked full of crap. See above post, my iPhone can. What "intensive" editing program are you planning on using on the iPad?

Bottom line here is that I do not see a product that is not replicated in many other places. My iPhone can pretty much do everything the iPad can do and is far more portable. Hell I have a Kindle app on my phone and it works ok, if I really want an eReader it will be a kindle or Nook.
post #258 of 410
they didn't add USB port, WiFi printing...and multi-user...if its going to be used around the home!
post #259 of 410
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Originally Posted by charlituna View Post

what will be interesting is to see if any industries pick up the ipad for use. especially big ones like hospitals. even if you just use it as a video/game device for keeping kids happy during chemo and such, that's a good number of potential sales. and then there's putting them in the doctors hands for ordering meds, looking at records and such.

I'm interested in this myself. I was at my doctors earlier this week and had to use their new tablets to input all my medical info. The tablet weighed about 3 pounds or so. I couldn't tell what brand it was or if it was running windows underneath, but the application (Phreeshia, I think) ran full screen and did not use any familiar windows elements (eg form fields, buttons etc.) those elements all looked customised. The experience was frustrating at best, using a stylist and having to press really hard on the screen for the presses to register.

I thought to myself, "Man, I hope apple does a better job than this". And just then the other lady in the waiting room who was working furiously on her tablet, got up and walked up to the receptionist and said, "ah, maam, this thing is saying it just performed an illegal operation". I couldn't help myself, I blurted out: "Better that thing doing than the doctor!"

The nice lady laughed, the receptionist behind the counter, not so much.
post #260 of 410
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Originally Posted by charlituna View Post

my own boss is already raving about how he could have one on set, access to email, have his storyboards right there, and so on. and he loves the idea that he could get the 3g one but since there's no contract he could have it for big location shot times and kill it when we are in town for a stretch (we're trying to convince him that we all need one and he should buy them for us). he's even excited about the idea that he could drop on an edit of a commercial or whatever, take it to a meet with the clients and show them a big pretty version of the video without having to haul a 5 lb laptop around.

Very cool. This is the key thing: users will define what they want to do with this device, and developers will respond and build apps, and said developers and Apple will hawl in the bucks. This is no Newton.
post #261 of 410
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Originally Posted by gts_mac View Post

I'm interested in this myself. I was at my doctors earlier this week and had to use their new tablets to input all my medical info. The tablet weighed about 3 pounds or so. I couldn't tell what brand it was or if it was running windows underneath, but the application (Phreeshia, I think) ran full screen and did not use any familiar windows elements (eg form fields, buttons etc.) those elements all looked customised. The experience was frustrating at best, using a stylist and having to press really hard on the screen for the presses to register.

I thought to myself, "Man, I hope apple does a better job than this". And just then the other lady in the waiting room who was working furiously on her tablet, got up and walked up to the receptionist and said, "ah, maam, this thing is saying it just performed an illegal operation". I couldn't help myself, I blurted out: "Better that thing doing than the doctor!"

The nice lady laughed, the receptionist behind the counter, not so much.

I think the iPad will be much better but you proved one of my points, it seems very awkward to use. Maybe the iPhone spoiled me, one handed operation, real easy to use. This thing looks tough to use. You have to use both hands or lay it flat on a surface. I am trying to see me using this in an airport while waiting on a plane.
post #262 of 410
TO all the naysayers. Be patient and watch what happens.
This device is going to overturn every preconception about what a device can do. Just let Apple and the after marketeers do their work.
In the meantime, whether you like Apple or not, buy a few shares.
Read Jason Schwarz on Seeking Alpha.
Look at the lessons of the past since 1998.
Make some money off a winner. An American Treasure.
post #263 of 410
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Originally Posted by Hellacool View Post

Subject to interpretation. My Daughter's HP seems very well built. $500? What netbook are you buying. HP Mini 10 with Win 7, $249 on sale.



A netbook can do all these things. Again, the HP mini 10 can run Office quite well or Open Office. The real keyboard is small but very usable.



For $500 I can buy a nice Netbook and have an iPhone that can pretty much do everything the iPad claims to do and make a phone call.



Yes the app store is nice but chocked full of crap. See above post, my iPhone can. What "intensive" editing program are you planning on using on the iPad?

Bottom line here is that I do not see a product that is not replicated in many other places. My iPhone can pretty much do everything the iPad can do and is far more portable. Hell I have a Kindle app on my phone and it works ok, if I really want an eReader it will be a kindle or Nook.

Ipad is designs to be an additional "work station" at home or ultra portable device for multimedia use. Sure, other devices can do the same but probably just not as well. That the next stage for the general public....ease of use.

This generation is attached to the physical keyboard. I bet future generation would think differently. Most people with kids will tell you that kids can use iPhone, iPod touch with ease. Ipad is the next step for them and they will grow up using virtual keyboards and multi touch gestures. Apple is moving forward and trying to capture both the current and future generations. If you are static, just stick with a Macbook Pro. It works perfectly.
post #264 of 410
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Originally Posted by lex8star View Post

Does anyone know if ibooks allows cut and paste or highlighting and notation. It seems like these would be necessary for textbooks.

Not likely or someone could just copy and paste the text to an document, send it to their computer, print out many copies.
post #265 of 410
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Apple never gives the masses what they want. Instead, they give the masses what Apple "knows" is best for the masses. That's a big reason for Apple's market share.

Yeah, a big reason for their $185B market cap too.

Try feeding your family with 'market share' instead of 'market cap.'
post #266 of 410
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Originally Posted by chano View Post

Look at the lessons of the past since 1998.

If you really want to look at the lessons of the past, just hold off a little on buying one of these until there is a price drop (iPhone). Or hold off until 2nd generation where new hardware is added (ipod touch speakers).
post #267 of 410
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Originally Posted by julesburt View Post

they didn't add USB port, WiFi printing...and multi-user...if its going to be used around the home!

It's not about cannibalizing Macbook/Macbook Pro sales.
post #268 of 410
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Originally Posted by kjkelley View Post

There are a lot of great things to like about the new iPad and I am really thinking hard about getting one upon release. The thing that really bugs me about the hardware is that there is no SD Card Slot! C'mon would it be that hard to include, so that while on vacation, you take the card out of your camera and just stick it in the iPad without fumbling for another cable?

Buy the camera kit. Hell if you want this you're going to buy the dock and camera kit so you can use what you want and work with other 3rd party usb devices, not to mention bluetooth/usb based keyboards.
post #269 of 410
If it's made by apple:

1. the processor is underclocked, for future "upgrade"
2. A camera is comig
3. Ram will be upgraded
4. Certain fetures will only require a firmware upgrade

I know why Steve Jobs said it's the most important thing he's ever worked on. It's Apple's first very own in house designed processor. The future implications are incredible. Apple now has "os x" running on their own chip. How long (maybe 10 years) before they make all of their chips for all of their products.
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post #270 of 410
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Originally Posted by btcutter View Post

Ipad is designs to be an additional "work station" at home or ultra portable device for multimedia use. Sure, other devices can do the same but probably just not as well. That the next stage for the general public....ease of use.

This generation is attached to the physical keyboard. I bet future generation would think differently. Most people with kids will tell you that kids can use iPhone, iPod touch with ease. Ipad is the next step for them and they will grow up using virtual keyboards and multi touch gestures. Apple is moving forward and trying to capture both the current and future generations. If you are static, just stick with a Macbook Pro. It works perfectly.

I like touch screen but can not envision using such a large one. It just seems very uncomfortable. I will reserve my opinion once reviewers get their hands on them and let us know how they do in day to day life and once I get my hands on one. I really want this thing to be what I want, just not seeing it yet. I had really expected a new, never seen before touchscreen GUI, not the same one I have been using for over a year that works well on a small screen. Not so sure on a big screen. Will feel like I am playing air hockey.
post #271 of 410
Adobe Flash Platform Blog on iPads Lack of Flash
So Jobss demo of the NYTs web site showed the missing Flash icon in several spots. If you think Apple didnt expect that, youre nuts. Apple is not embarrassed by iPhone OSs lack of Flash.


Daring Fireball 10-01-28 12:47 PM John Gruber http://daringfireball.net/
post #272 of 410
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Adobe Flash Platform Blog on iPads Lack of Flash
So Jobss demo of the NYTs web site showed the missing Flash icon in several spots. If you think Apple didnt expect that, youre nuts. Apple is not embarrassed by iPhone OSs lack of Flash.


Daring Fireball 10-01-28 12:47 PM John Gruber http://daringfireball.net/

Think about it, Flash is a direct competitor to the iTunes store. Who needs to buy games when there are so many flash games out there. Who needs to buy movies when you have Hulu. Apple will never allow flash on their mobile devices. They will dangle the carrot but they do not need the competition.
post #273 of 410
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Adobe Flash Platform Blog on iPads Lack of Flash
So Jobss demo of the NYTs web site showed the missing Flash icon in several spots. If you think Apple didnt expect that, youre nuts. Apple is not embarrassed by iPhone OSs lack of Flash.


Daring Fireball 10-01-28 12:47 PM John Gruber http://daringfireball.net/

Yeah, I'm sure the missing Flash icon is something he is pretty proud of. I mean, come on, if you want video, he has Star Trek on that device.
post #274 of 410
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Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post

The inclusion of iWork apps is a huge plus, but who wants to sync documents to thier iPad all the time, or email yourself documents to bring to a meeting. What good is giving a presentation on the iPad if you can't print copies for your participant.

What? Never heard of iDisk? Or Air Sharing? Or File Sharing? Or Soonr? All file sharing apps for the iPhone...which should work for the iPad.

Why do you assume that can't you print from the iPad? Or see SMB/AFS shares in the future?
post #275 of 410
ipad = FAIL. Its just a big ipod touch with some updated apps to take advantage of its size. Who's going to buy it when most people already have a phone and laptop capable of doing much more than this. No multitasking, WHY?. I can go buy a fully functional laptop for that price that can run multiple apps and a full os not crippled by apple's closed environment. I was really looking forward to the ipad but as soon as a I saw it i instantly changed my mind. The huge bezel is just ugly and what is with the 4:3 aspect ratio. it cant even play 720p video at full res. And to all you people saying it would be great for sitting on the couch and browsing the web, you're really willing to pay $500 to browse the web for a few hours a day the web on the couch? is it really that much of a discomfort to use your laptop that youre willing to spend at a minimum $500?
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Originally Posted by red_skittles View Post

ipad = FAIL. Its just a big ipod touch with some updated apps to take advantage of its size.

When you say "fail" what do you mean? Do you mean it won't be massive success or just that you're not going to get one? Or both? Whether it's a massive success or not remains to be seen. My gut feeling is that it will be however. Massive being a relative term. "Surprising" is probably the word.
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post #277 of 410
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

When you say "fail" what do you mean? Do you mean it won't be massive success or just that you're not going to get one? Or both?

Both.Most consumers already own some sort of personal computer, whether it be a desktop or laptop. Those with laptops won't see any advantage of lugging around another device that can't out perform a fully functional laptop at anything. Those with desktops may be inclined to buy one, but upon realizing its running a gimped OS and they can't install any programs other than those offered by apple, they will decide against it. I'm sure it will be moderately successful but I just don't see the point

And one last thing: the ipad video on apple's website: lamest thing i have ever seen. EVER. "It's magical" WTF its based on the same technology as the iphone. nothing magical or revolutionary about that
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Originally Posted by red_skittles View Post

Both. Most consumers already own some sort of personal computer, whether it be a desktop or laptop. Those with laptops won't see any advantage of lugging around another device that can't out perform a fully functional laptop at anything. Those with desktops may be inclined to buy one, but upon realizing its running a gimped OS and they can't install any programs other than those offered by apple, they will decide against it. I'm sure it will be moderately successful but I just don't see the point.

The whole point of this device is it's easier to use and more natural to use than a laptop, so for people that are not at all geeky, and want to check e-mail, browse the web and do other common tasks it would be perfect for them. My brother (one of them) doesn't know what a file system or a torrent is, he is computer illiterate - I just know he'll want one of these. And believe it not there are millions of people like him. Not to mention though, I think it's more than that. There's a bigger picture here that's not clear, something has changed and it's not obvious now, it will seem obvious in 3+ years time.

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And one last thing: the ipad video on apple's website: lamest thing i have ever seen. EVER. "It's magical" WTF its based on the same technology as the iphone. nothing magical or revolutionary about that.

"Magical" is marketing speak. That's their way of describing the experience. To be fair you didn't try one yet, so it's not really fair to say it's a piece of crap yet. We know it's not magic, real magic does not exist after all, but for Apple its the best word to describe the UI.

I know it doesn't meet your needs, but believe or not I don't think you're the target market.
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Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post

of course, problems have to happen to every single person to be valid....

but once again, seeing as you are apparently not capable of understanding.

No sketchy apps
No jailbreaking

Apple apps

They would have to. The hardware and software is the same for everyone. The only variables are defective hardware, user abuse/error, and 3rd party apps.
post #280 of 410
I can't remember wasn't someone supposed to eat their hat?

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