Hands on with Apple's iPad (with videos and photos) - Page 2

Welcome back ...., see I restrained myself from calling you an ..... And again I restrained myself. Oh tec -stud who can we ever be studs and function sexually without flash, ohhh, such a big omission, bad bad apple. I will never enjoy life without flash.

In June of 2008, I posted this on AI:


The full post is here. It got all of 586 views and no comments. Of course, what I wrote had no influence on the actual design and implementation of the iPad's dock with integrated keyboard accessory. I'm just glad to see that Apple pursued a similar idea for the iPad. And if you read my old post, you'll see that I was hoping for a desktop-class computer that would turn the iPad into basically a monitor for the desktop when docked, and I still think this would be a cool idea.

Really looking forward to picking up one of these with the keyboard dock and cover later this year. I just have to start hiding money from the wife.

Go on then, I might have missed them, I have life you know, sorry for that, quote them then, quote the ten flash websites that apple is preventing you from viewing, that bad bad bad apple, go on, I am all ears.

Good call ranum.

There's a difference between being born one and asking for it.

Exactly. I always tell people to just by an older used laptop instead of a new netbook, unless their main concern is size. Used PCs are extremely inexpensive and even a 3 year old PC laptop is going to be more powerful than a brand new netbook.

Collateral damage is more like it.

Do you think this has anything to do with IDC & Gartner saying that the iPhone will be 3rd place possibly 4th place based on current Android growth.

It's called sucking it up and taking the bitter pill of projections (and analysts) saying Apple iPhone will become the Motorola RAZR.

Based on the knowledge that Apple had going into the presentation today was a pathetic performance for a new device that doesn't fit into any market and was released with an inferior OS than Android Mobile and should retire or trade in his dumbass black turtle neck for something from this era.

If this is Steve's greatest product that he is most proud of then he's old (like me) but also out of touch with the market.

Even Apple apologists are asking WHY? Except the diehard Apple Fanatics that are saying please give me another shot of Kool-Aid I love this product and don’t know why, here’s my credit card and social security number.

Edit: Forgot the posting unlike most AppleInsider articles.
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/inde...newsid=3211158

For Apple to say "Oh by the way this is being driven by our new chip the A4" is an insult to anyone in the tech industry.

They buy a chip manufacturer, build a product around it and mention it in passing in a presentation for a product like the Segway that is going to change our lives and one that Jobs is most proud of.

Heck, the Apple TV POS is more innovative than this.

Started the day like - hmm - don't know about this. Tonight - different story. Looking back on my day and thinking how the iPad would fit in. I kind of get sick & tired of carrying my Pro around to each room I'm in throughout the day in order to e-mail, twit and read the constant drivel that the Apple naysayers have continued to write since Steve came back. This will be so much better for the things I use my Pro for - I have an iMac for my computing needs & the iPhone - to friggin' small for my tired old eyes. Plus, I have the "cloud". Finally, a netbook-esque solution without Windows! Sure, maybe a little light on computing-style apps. However, I think we will see an entire new family of "super apps" - photoshop lite and the like making their entrance in the next few months. Remember when the nayasayers said that apps are a gimmick - now look. The iPad will, like the iPhone, change the way we do things. The iPad today - just the beginning - and I can't wait for what's next. On a different note - aapl closed at $207+. Not bad. Analysts are already upping their forecasts on units that will sell in '10. Me - just happy I got into appl in December '06 when everything changed for the better.

I wonder if that USB adaptor will work with other devices than cameras - such as hard drives. It seems like it would. In the end, doesn't a media card or camera just look like a hard drive to the computing device?

Can the keyboard/dock be used with the iPad positioned in landscape mode?


This is HUGE (for people like me). Can you tell us more: How does 'the laser pointer you move with your finger' work? How you do you 'paint on the screen' Madden-style? Are both these functionalities built in with this particular version of Keynote?

★ The iPad Big Picture
There was a meta-message in todays Apple event, not about the iPad in particular, but rather about Apple as a whole. Jobss brief preamble included a bit of extra emphasis on the fact that the Apple now generates over $50 billion per year in revenue. (Apple also emphasized this $50 billion revenue thing in their PR two days ago announcing their Q1 2010 financial results.) He also said that when you consider MacBooks as mobile devices, that Apple generates more revenue from mobile hardware than any other company in the world; the three competitors he singled out were Sony, Samsung, and Nokia. The adjective he used was bigger.

Lastly, theres the fact that the iPad is using a new CPU designed and made by Apple itself: the Apple A4. This is a huge deal. I got about 20 blessed minutes of time using the iPad demo units Apple had at the event today, and if I had to sum up the device with one word, that word would be fast.

It is fast, fast, fast. The hardware really does feel like a big iPhone and a big original iPhone at that, with the aluminum back. (I have never liked the plastic 3G/S iPhones as much as the original in terms of how it feels in my hand.) I expected the screen size to be the biggest differentiating factor in how the iPad feels compared to an iPhone, but I think the speed difference is just as big a factor. Web pages render so fast it was hard to believe. After using the iPhone so much for two and a half years, Ive become accustomed to web pages rendering (relative to the Mac) slowly. On the iPad, they seem to render nearly instantly. (802.11N Wi-Fi helps too.)

The iPad hardware is exactly what you think. It looks great, it feels great. Its very nice to hold. (People are complaining about the wide bezel around the display, but without that, where would your thumbs go? You dont want your thumb thats holding the device to cover on-screen content or register as a touch. Trust me, its just right.) Just like with the iPhone, its all in the software. And the software is obviously marvelous in many ways. It is clearly the result of deep thought and hard work.

But: everyone I spoke to in the press room was raving first and foremost about the speed. None of us could shut up about it. It feels impossibly fast. (And our next thought: What happens if Apple has figured out a way to make a CPU like A4 that fits in an iPhone? If they pull that off for this years new iPhone, look out.)

Apple doesnt talk much about the technical details of the iPhone. They never talk about CPU speed or the name of the chip being used. They dont tell you how much RAM is in there. Part of their vision for moving computers from technical culture to popular culture is about getting away from defining these things by their technical specs. So the prominent talk about A4 is telling. This is something they want us to notice.

I mentioned this year-ago quote from Apple COO Tim Cook the other day, but its apt here, too. Cook told BusinessWeek, We believe in the simple, not the complex. We believe that we need to own and control the primary technologies behind the products we make, and participate only in markets where we can make a significant contribution.

Apple now owns and controls their own mobile CPUs. There arent many companies in the world that can say that. And from what I saw today, Apple doesnt just own and control a mobile CPU, they own and control the hands-down best mobile CPU in the world. Software aside (which is a huge thing to put aside), it may well be that no other company could make a device today matching the price, size, and performance of the iPad. Theyre not getting into the CPU business for kicks, theyre getting into it to kick ass.

Theyre Microsoft and Intel rolled into one when it comes to mobile computing. In the pre-taped video Apple showed, Bob Mansfield said of the iPad, No one else could do it. Only Apple.

And so my takeaway from this with the bragging about making their own CPUs and their annual revenue and their size compared to companies like Sony, Samsung, and Nokia is that this is Apples way of asserting that theyre taking over the penthouse suite as the strongest and best company in the whole ones-and-zeroes racket.

Daring Fireball 10-01-27 10:40 PM John Gruber http://daringfireball.net/

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showp...&postcount=237

my use a number of local streaming sites, local news sites, some of the local hardware sites. I just skip most of the surfing until I get to my pc or iMac.

I cant even see all of youtube because the touch application doesnt have access to all of them, and not all are available under html5.

I dislike flash but if you wanna see the 'whole internet' then there aint much hope of getting around it.

Yes, I've played with quite a few. You get what you pay for. Ugly, cheaply made, poor operating systems, poor performance. Basically for those with little money. Theoretically, netbooks are just small laptops, practically, however, they are limited to internet browsing and e-mail- both of which the iPad seems to do very well.

I am feeling the same way! Must be the RDF at work......

I will be ordering one, what the heck (64GB+3G). I have no self-control whatsoever.

I read your post link and it's similar to something I posted here as well, but after yours apparently.

It's been a idea that has been kicked around for quite some time, even back in the 80's actually with Apple's Bashful concept tablet.

It's just taken some time to get the components down to reasonable size and heat levels.

Flash memory is still astronomically high, why we have a very limited 64GB max.

Sh*t that's my entire music collection right there, no room for anything else.

hahaha, dumb ass turtleneck? Ask yourself why you are in so much pain that apple posted their best quarter ever? Doesn't that make you mad, huh? so out of touch with reality they are, aren't they?

Well, Bundy and TEKSTUD. Take a gander at this little ditty. Firefox Mobile has just dropped Flash support too. So at least Mozilla and Apple, and certainly others, see the handwriting on the wall. Unlike your clueless selves. HTML 5 is a reality. YouTube is now on board. It will happen very quickly too.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10443090-1.html

i've never seen a demo model in the stores this far before the release. a week or two before perhaps but over a month away.

so probably not .

as for the camera, I expect that someone will come out with one that works with the dock connector, hopefully for still and web cam and out when the actual ipad comes out or very very shortly after.

"Hulu, NFL.com, Disney.com, foxsports.com, sportsillustrated.com, cnn.com, cnet.com, sports.yahoo.com, cbs.com, ufc.com. Have you used the web much?"

Yeah I have, but I prefer less idiot sites than cnn or cbs, excuse me for that, if you love these sites, then apple is doing you a favour by not supporting them in flash, maybe then you might get a clue. In any case case keep your laptop and your crappy sites, but stop whining no one forced you to buy an ipad did they? Get an atom crapbook too so you can access the pinnacle of unbiased journalism that is cnn.

Oh and cnet.com, another gem...


Btw, none of these site really have flash all around, some of them have more so than others, but for most of them flash isn't even integral...

played... lol

I paid a lot for my imac, yet I have had more problems with it than my netbook. Must have gotten what I paid for.

My touch cost as much as my netbook, yet it crashes routinely, it fails to surf the full web, doesnt allow me to install alternative programs or play alternative codex files and since 3.0, it performs rather poorly. Musta got what I paid for.


A netbook is only limited by the user, and from your comments, I can only assume you are rather limited.

Well said buddy, but you won't see them going around whining about it in the mozilla forums, it's all bad apple to them, that's their inane mantra.

Do you have a reading problem?

That wasnt my list,



Oh its not just a reading problem

you ask for people to list 10 sites. people do. tehn you get all snippy that they dont meet your high standards becuase they are shite, or only contain some flash?

People whining about flash not being on the iPad are just like those idiots whining about matte screens.

HP and Windows 7 = double puke

So enjoy life with the new iPad- makes you feel fresh all day long!

As for the crashing comment, you know that's just garbage.

In terms of alternative programs, do you mean viruses? I am sure the atom handles the antivirus just fine, a few minutes lag every other hour to check for viruses and you are just fine.

for crying out loud, to come out and defend netbooks, cheap crap with what is the crappiest cpu on the market, the atom, by far from anything else, an abomination intel put together to cash in on the netbook fad...

Today was only the first step...or the first day of the "month".

http://bit.ly/bIBP1o

speaking of third party apps, the link below shows a screen from Delicious Library 2. Looks a lot like iBook, eh?

http://www.albinotricolors.com/image...ouslibrary.jpg

did apple recently acquire that cool app?

Before ranting about Steve Job's record why don't you tell us what have you done with your life other than shitting and farting.

Enjoy your life's mission to attack a tec company that's had it's best quarter ever, far outpacing anyone in the industry. You are firecracker. So if you say so, apple must be doing something wrong.

But do come here again when the ipad becomes the new standard it's going to be, and whine some more.

what will be interesting is to see if any industries pick up the ipad for use. especially big ones like hospitals. even if you just use it as a video/game device for keeping kids happy during chemo and such, that's a good number of potential sales. and then there's putting them in the doctors hands for ordering meds, looking at records and such.

my own boss is already raving about how he could have one on set, access to email, have his storyboards right there, and so on. and he loves the idea that he could get the 3g one but since there's no contract he could have it for big location shot times and kill it when we are in town for a stretch (we're trying to convince him that we all need one and he should buy them for us). he's even excited about the idea that he could drop on an edit of a commercial or whatever, take it to a meet with the clients and show them a big pretty version of the video without having to haul a 5 lb laptop around.

I'm more interested in the new processor, TBH. I want to know if its simply a build around a reference design, or if its a ground-up new processor.



From Anandtech:



Anyways, this is definitely a no-buy for me, I just feel a netbook at the same price can do so much more.



To recap:
-No flash
-no multitasking
-iPhone OS
-locked to iTunes
-no camera, front or back
-have to buy a dongle for anything remotely useful


And I'm still bitter that the MBP's didn't get a refresh...Come ON! 2010, and nearly 2000 dollars (CAD) gets you a 15 inch laptop with a Core 2 Duo and integrated graphics? No Apple. Just, no.

Sounds like user-error, sketchy 3rd party apps, or jailbreaking. I have and have owned dozens of apple products- not a bad one yet.

looks like we have two appealing alternatives: the keyboard dock (with a keyboard that has added home, search, virtual kbd etc keys) but has to be physically attached to the front of the dock, OR the bluetooth kbd (which maybe will eventually come in a version with those added keys--i'd sure hope so)

Nice to know, could you tell my ipod that.

How about yesterday when it took my exchange linked gmail account and wiped all of the emails (but not calendar) off it?

Or the never ending fun when you sync, only to have the ipod tell you that there are no songs/videos on the thing (check apple support forum for that fun, its been happening since early last year)

Get what I paid for?


Oooo I see what you did there, oh, its so novel. I might get a virus while downloading different programs. Becuase saying that really makes a difference to the conversation.


If you had noticed, I was defending the netbook against the claim that you had made that was false.

The iPad may be a zillion times better. I may go out and purchase an iPad assuming the local celluar companies do not go their normal route and charge 100$ for 250megs. Doesnt change the false claims in your post.

Shame huh.

God. Flash is yesterdays technology. HTML5 is the future. Even Google/YouTube is moving to HTML5.

I think what most people are missing here is the potential of the iPad.

Sure, Apple doesn't appear to have reinvented computing as we know it today. However, as this technology continues to mature and more sophisticated and "professional" applications are developed, this has the potential to revolutionize the way we use computers in the future.

People have asked the question "What will OS11 look like?" I think Apple has answered that question. I believe that 5 years from now, we will look back and recognize how Apple redefined what the operating system will look like.

Instead of hate-ing on a device that doesn't live up to unrealistic expectations of people on this forum, we need not be hasty to overly bash this product without first considering the possible implications.

Remember when the iPhone was released and everyone was griping about the lack of applications for the phone...now look how it has REDEFINED the smartphone. Everyone is trying to re-create what Apple has done.

Think about the potential and I think you will get excited.

Yes, I pushed the home button, pressed on the email, got into the inbox and had it crash me out. Must be user error.

No jailbreaking, no third party apps.

I am happy that you have owned dozens of apple products nad not had any issues, it makes me all warm inside. I am sure if I go to the apple supprot forums I will find no threads related to problems with any apple products, because as your example shows, Apple products never ever have issues.

To answer that, sure it's fast, now. With iPhone apps less than half the screen size and lousy resolution. Just wait till they blow those apps up to full size. 3D game developers know how to punish hardware and a iPad is no Cell processor.



The iPad was obviously on a very fast Wifi, not AT&T 3G with their overloaded network.




The interface is not consistent like it is on Mac OS X to ease the learning curve, you have to hunt to find a function with the iPad OS UI. Buttons behind a page? Come on!!

On OS X it's partially categorized in the menu's for easy access, you know where to hunt if your looking to perform a function.



I prefer knowing the specs, as to gauge it's life expectancy and compute value.



This is Apple's excuse for a closed device and a controlling App Store.

Google Voice app anyone?

The new standard?- you're really stretching it now. That was not an attack on anything but a play on a name. What are you- oh an applelover who loves even the bad ones? I love MACS- not oversized iPod Touches. I'm not whining, I'm laughing.