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Originally Posted by charlituna View Post

my own boss is already raving about how he could have one on set, access to email, have his storyboards right there, and so on. and he loves the idea that he could get the 3g one but since there's no contract he could have it for big location shot times and kill it when we are in town for a stretch (we're trying to convince him that we all need one and he should buy them for us). he's even excited about the idea that he could drop on an edit of a commercial or whatever, take it to a meet with the clients and show them a big pretty version of the video without having to haul a 5 lb laptop around.

I'm with your boss. When I go out of country to shoot my next film, I'm going to give most of the heads of the departments one (and one for myself, of course). All during shooting people are always running up with laptops showing me pics of things to decide on: costume, set, location, etc. This will make that alone a ton easier. Then, I may keep my script on mine (especially if there's some easy notation), and keep colored pages easily up-to-date (and keep all my notes even with changed pages). If I could route the video feeds, I wouldn't need a monitor. I'll probably take one of these and an MBP, and that would take care of any computing needs I'd need for the shoot.
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post #82 of 410
this is THE device for expanding the market... it works like the nintendo wii..
bringing new users in the game... it's apple's own trojan horse..
1) is the perfect machine for internet newbies.. my mother will LOVE it... no viruses no stupid flash ads and you can reset all with a restart.. no troubles all around
2) what an experiment for apple... to make their OWN chipset.. this is the best machine they ever made.. it has their cpu and gpu it's a FULL apple product.. intel and samsung are crying now.. let's hope that in the future we will see the cpu inside the iphone and macs
3)its the perfect book reader for this reason they used a 4:3 screen.. netbooks had 1024x600 believe me the 128 pixels in the ipad make a difference in reading
4)its NOT a computer.. its aa ebook media touchscreen device.. the competition still makes computers with touchscreens.... they make NOTHING new.. this is something that we see first time..
5)its target group is NOT YOU! they are not targetting to geeks or lousy pc users nor mac experts..
its a device for newcomers in technology..
6)its better that it doesnt have cameras and shits like that it would make it cost higher! 499 it's an ACE price and believe me the competition now are in MAJOR TROUBLE...

this machine is a gift from steve to all the people that would like to join the web revolution but they were afraid to try.. this is the ipad
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The iPad was obviously on a very fast Wifi, not AT&T 3G with their overloaded network.

I don't know about your other points, but this particular one makes no sense at all.

1) The iPad is primarily a wifi, not 3G device (the latter is an optional feature).
2) I am sure folks were able to compare speeds of the iPad against their iPhones using the same wifi network in concluding that the iPad was 'fast.'
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"Hulu, NFL.com, Disney.com, foxsports.com, sportsillustrated.com, cnn.com, cnet.com, sports.yahoo.com, cbs.com, ufc.com. Have you used the web much?"

Yeah I have, but I prefer less idiot sites than cnn or cbs, excuse me for that, if you love these sites, then apple is doing you a favour by not supporting them in flash, maybe then you might get a clue. In any case case keep your laptop and your crappy sites, but stop whining no one forced you to buy an ipad did they? Get an atom crapbook too so you can access the pinnacle of unbiased journalism that is cnn.

Oh and cnet.com, another gem...


Btw, none of these site really have flash all around, some of them have more so than others, but for most of them flash isn't even integral...

But of course only people that visit sites that do not have Flash content have a clue and are not idiots. The rest of us loser will just have to suffer because we don't have have a cool name like applelove. And while we are at it, stop whining about Flash, nobody is forcing you to visit those sites.
post #85 of 410
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Originally Posted by Patranus View Post

God. Flash is yesterdays technology. HTML5 is the future. Even Google/YouTube is moving to HTML5.

So are a lot of things that Apple stubbornly continues to use.
post #86 of 410
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Originally Posted by stevegmu View Post

Yes. My 9.5 year old iBook 466 SE still outperforms them, for the most part. People buy netbooks because they want something cheap to browse the internet with, and send e-mail. They sold well because they were cheap.

I doubt that it does. I have a 1.42Ghz mac mini (the originial one), it is too slow to even bother turning on these days, a heck of a lot slower than netbooks being sold.
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Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post

Yes, I pushed the home button, pressed on the email, got into the inbox and had it crash me out. Must be user error.

No jailbreaking, no third party apps.

I am happy that you have owned dozens of apple products nad not had any issues, it makes me all warm inside. I am sure if I go to the apple supprot forums I will find no threads related to problems with any apple products, because as your example shows, Apple products never ever have issues.

I never said Apple products don't fail. With the exception of manufacturing defects, however, user-error and sketchy 3rd party apps are really the only reasons why most products can fail. The software and hardware are the same for everyone; the only variable being the user.
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Originally Posted by mzaslove View Post

I'm with your boss. When I go out of country to shoot my next film, I'm going to give most of the heads of the departments one (and one for myself, of course). All during shooting people are always running up with laptops showing me pics of things to decide on: costume, set, location, etc. This will make that alone a ton easier. Then, I may keep my script on mine (especially if there's some easy notation), and keep colored pages easily up-to-date (and keep all my notes even with changed pages). If I could route the video feeds, I wouldn't need a monitor. I'll probably take one of these and an MBP, and that would take care of any computing needs I'd need for the shoot.

How are they going to get all their content up on their iPads?
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Originally Posted by al_bundy View Post

i have a 2 year old that know how to use my iphone. he loves it. too bad he will hate the iPad since there is no Flash support. that means websites like Playhouse Disney and Thomas and Friends won't work.

and it would suck for school. no multitasking means no Pandora and doing homework at the same time


As I said, not everyone is happy, but I think my kids, both HS age, would really enjoy this and get a lot of use out of it. With the right apps developed, I could see it making a huge difference, rendering a traditional notebook unnecessary.
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I doubt that it does. I have a 1.42Ghz mac mini (the originial one), it is too slow to even bother turning on these days, a heck of a lot slower than netbooks being sold.

I only use it as most people use netbooks - browsing the internet and e-mail. It is not stock, however, as it has a 40 GB HD, 576 MB RAM, runs Tiger- with just about everything stripped out of it, and uses a RokAir WiFi adapter, as WEP only 802.11b was limiting. Boots much faster, and renders sites in Camino faster than natbooks I have used which ran IE.
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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD View Post

So are a lot of things that Apple stubbornly continues to use.

Like what?
post #92 of 410
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Originally Posted by lkrupp View Post

Well, Bundy and TEKSTUD . Take a gander at this little ditty. Firefox Mobile has just dropped Flash support too. So at least Mozilla and Apple, and certainly others, see the handwriting on the wall. Unlike your clueless selves. HTML 5 is a reality. YouTube is now on board. It will happen very quickly too.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10443090-1.html

Mozilla is currenlty pissed at Google. Google is supporting both HTML5 and Flash.

Who will win the fight. It doesn't take a 3rd grader with 3 chromosomes missing to answer your question. HTML5 will be years off before it's picked up by the mainstream (Big Boys) of Video Streaming.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Welcome back! (What happened to MrKoolaid?)

I do have to congratulate you on one thing (and, admittedly, it was one where I thought you were totally off-base): You were the first one to call it an iPad. I can't stand the name, and I think you deserve the blame for why Apple ended up calling it that.

PS: Sorry about the Jets.

Hey thanks for that. It was funny that you mentioned that. I was running into a meeting last year and said to myself I need to grab a yellow pad and that was how it came to me (iPod /iPad)- in that meeting dreaming of Apple products. You remember how I was dismissed and dissed for that name.
I'm glad it's not iSlate but surprised it's Pad. I thought it was going to be iTab though.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Like what?

DVD and not Blu-ray.

(BTW- I just started using Chrome and this thing rocks!)
post #95 of 410
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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD View Post

How are they going to get all their content up on their iPads?

It seems self-evident. The iPad can take pic files directly from the cameras or the camera cards (so everyone showing me stuff can show me on their iPads), my script supervisor would be emailing everyone the new scripts (with changes) and then handing out the color pages in the mornings. Pages would be able to let me view the script that way. There's probably some way to view storyboards like that as well. So no problem there. You did read the specs on the iPad, didn't you? None of that is a problem.
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post #96 of 410
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Originally Posted by stevegmu View Post

I only use it as most people use netbooks - browsing the internet and e-mail. It is not stock, however, as it has a 40 GB HD, 576 MB RAM, runs Tiger- with just about everything stripped out of it, and uses a RokAir WiFi adapter, as WEP only 802.11b was limiting. Boots much faster, and renders sites in Camino faster than natbooks I have used which ran IE.

I was using a netbook the other day, running Windows XP, and the Chrome browser, it ran heaps faster than anything on my Mac Mini, how old was the netbook you were using?
post #97 of 410
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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD View Post

The sell well because they do what they're advertised to do at an inexpensive price and are convenient as they do it.
By the way - How much did that iBook 466 SE sell for in the year 2000 and how much would that convert to today's price $? Ever think about that?

I see your point but i think the point Stevegmu is trying to make is that his 10 year old iBook performs better than a new netbook. Divide the cost if the iBook over 10 years and tell me where the better deal is....not to mention the better user experience. iBook.....10 years old. After 10 years of service, Stevemgu has a FREE netbook. Ever think of that?

And in a couple years, he could still probably get $50-$75 for it on EBay.

Hmmmm

Now that's value!!!

You may have changed the way you say things, to fly under the radar, but you're still barking the same old, tired, close minded thoughts and opinions. Yawn!
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post #98 of 410
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Originally Posted by jfanning View Post

I was using a netbook the other day, running Windows XP, and the Chrome browser, it ran heaps faster than anything on my Mac Mini, how old was the netbook you were using?

Last one I spent time with was late last year, running Vista Basic. It was a Lenovo S, I think. Piece of junk. As I said, though, I only use the IBook for browsing and e-mail. Real work gets done on a MB Pro.
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Did Apple show the tablet to their "hands on" employees 30 minutes before Steve's Keynote? Most of the videos appear to have a Apple "Hands On" person holding the iPad with the 'visitor' asking if they can hold it, but in their QnA, it seems as if the Apple people are semi clueless about how to work the thing and it's tech specs...

Visitor: "What's that hole next to the mic jack?"... Apple" "I dunno..." Visitor: "Maybe it's the microphone?" Apple: "Yeah, that might be it!" (or something to that effect).

Or is it just me?

I guess it's what happens when Apple is so secretive about a new hardware product launch... \

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I see your point but i think the point Stevegmu is trying to make is that his 10 year old iBook performs better than a new netbook. Divide the cost if the iBook over 10 years and tell me where the better deal is....not to mention the better user experience. iBook.....10 years old. After 10 years of service, Stevemgu has a FREE netbook. Ever think of that?

And in a couple years, he could still probably get $50-$75 for it on EBay.

Hmmmm

Now that's value!!!
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I believe it was $1800 new, which was less expensive than the competitors, and outperformed them, to boot. I can't imagine there will be any $300 netbooks running in 10 years.
Actually, mint Graphite 466 SE's with firewire and DVD are starting to appreciate, so I can probably sell it for $500 in a couple years.
post #101 of 410
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Originally Posted by stevegmu View Post

I believe it was $1800 new, which was less expensive than the competitors, and outperformed them, to boot. I can't imagine there will be any $300 netbooks running in 10 years.
Actually, mint Graphite 466 SE's with firewire and DVD are starting to appreciate, so I can probably sell it for $500 in a couple years.

Thank you. You confirmed my point. It's nice being able to resell a piece of computing hardware for REAL $$'s after 10-12 years of reliable, virus free service, isn't it? Are there any non-Apple PC's or notebooks capable of returning that kind of value?

Hey trolls....let's talk, now, about the Apple tax.
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post #102 of 410
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Thank you. You confirmed my point. It's nice being able to resell a piece of computing hardware for REAL $$'s after 10-12 years of reliable, virus free service, isn't it? Are there any non-Apple PC's or notebooks capable of returning that kind of value?

Hey trolls....let's talk, now, about the Apple tax.

I've never seen an Apple product in the trash. Can't tell you how many beige boxes I've seen at the curb...
post #103 of 410
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Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post

To answer that, sure it's fast, now. With iPhone apps less than half the screen size and lousy resolution. Just wait till they blow those apps up to full size.

Huh? Not sure what you mean by that? Did you even watch the presentation or are you just talking out of your a**?

All the built-in applications were designed specifically for the iPad. Including Keynote, Pages, and Numbers - each of which seemed to have the same functionality as their Mac OS X counterparts. The calendar and contacts applications looked better then the Mac OS X versions.

This is not simply a larger iPod touch that can only run current apps - it is in fact an enhanced interface with new UI elements and will enable developers to create applications specifically for the iPad that rival desktop applications in functionality and surpass them in ease of use.
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post #104 of 410
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Originally Posted by stevegmu View Post

I never said Apple products don't fail. With the exception of manufacturing defects, however, user-error and sketchy 3rd party apps are really the only reasons why most products can fail. The software and hardware are the same for everyone; the only variable being the user.


Yet the program that crashes most often (and is commented routinely on apples own forums) is an apple designed program on an apple controlled program

must be all user error, anything else is unpossible

but congrats on the goal post shifting
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post #105 of 410
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Originally Posted by Patranus View Post

God. Flash is yesterdays technology. HTML5 is the future. Even Google/YouTube is moving to HTML5.


So, what about today, you know, where these products are being sold?
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post #106 of 410
Great device, good review. Shame Daniel doesn't use OS X's built in spell checker.
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Yet the program that crashes most often (and is commented routinely on apples own forums) is an apple designed program on an apple controlled program

must be all user error, anything else is unpossible

but congrats on the goal post shifting

Does this app malfunction for everyone? Surely if the app alone or hardware were the problem, they would fail for everyone.
Often sketchy 3rd party apps can interact with native apps, making them buggy. I once installed a mouse-tuning app, which somehow caused folders to open and close very slow.
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Yet the program that crashes most often (and is commented routinely on apples own forums) is an apple designed program on an apple controlled program

must be all user error, anything else is unpossible

but congrats on the goal post shifting

Safari slows to a crawl at times, but crashes are usually the fault of a certain Adobe plug-in or a hack.
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I believe it was $1800 new, which was less expensive than the competitors, and outperformed them, to boot. I can't imagine there will be any $300 netbooks running in 10 years.
Actually, mint Graphite 466 SE's with firewire and DVD are starting to appreciate, so I can probably sell it for $500 in a couple years.

I think people are exaggerating the performance of $500 netbooks. Steve Jobs is good with the RDF, but you should really use one before taking his word for it. I use plenty of netbooks at work that perform quite well. The netbook my brother uses for work can handle viewing YouTube videos, a chat client AND Outlook being open at the same time (and I know from experience since that's how he typically uses his netbook). That's more than you can say for the iPad, which apparently can't handle more than one thing being open at once.

Which is my main problem with the iPad—the lack of multitasking. Who just does one thing these days? As I type I have Adium, Mail, Twieetie, Safari, Microsoft Word and Hulu Desktop open. That'd be an annoying experience on the iPad. Even the average Joe Schmo will want a chat client and Web browsing at once.

So when would I use this thing? My best guess is for traveling, but a $629 device (you need 3G for traveling) seems expensive for a couple of trips a year.
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Rather than the iPhone's menu-per-page convention, apps like Settings present multiple tiers of menu levels at once. Mail shows you both your inbox in an iPhone-like view as well as a message preview, all on the same screen.

That is how I predicted they would do it a few weeks ago - like the iPhone but with multiple levels showing at once.
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Do I get my Cassandra prize now?
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Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post

Do you think this has anything to do with IDC & Gartner saying that the iPhone will be 3rd place possibly 4th place based on current Android growth.

It's called sucking it up and taking the bitter pill of projections (and analysts) saying Apple iPhone will become the Motorola RAZR.

Based on the knowledge that Apple had going into the presentation today was a pathetic performance for a new device that doesn't fit into any market and was released with an inferior OS than Android Mobile and should retire or trade in his dumbass black turtle neck for something from this era.

If this is Steve's greatest product that he is most proud of then he's old (like me) but also out of touch with the market.

Even Apple apologists are asking WHY? Except the diehard Apple Fanatics that are saying please give me another shot of Kool-Aid I love this product and dont know why, heres my credit card and social security number.

Edit: Forgot the posting unlike most AppleInsider articles.
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/inde...newsid=3211158

For Apple to say "Oh by the way this is being driven by our new chip the A4" is an insult to anyone in the tech industry.

They buy a chip manufacturer, build a product around it and mention it in passing in a presentation for a product like the Segway that is going to change our lives and one that Jobs is most proud of.

Heck, the Apple TV POS is more innovative than this.

Why do you bother coming here?
You clearly have no imagination on how this product IS going to change how we use devices.
post #112 of 410
No Boot Camp = Fail!

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post #113 of 410
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I think people are exaggerating the performance of $500 netbooks. Steve Jobs is good with the RDF, but you should really use one before taking his word for it. I use plenty of netbooks at work that perform quite well. The netbook my brother uses for work can handle viewing YouTube videos, a chat client AND Outlook being open at the same time (and I know from experience since that's how he typically uses his netbook). That's more than you can say for the iPad, which apparently can't handle more than one thing being open at once.

Which is my main problem with the iPadthe lack of multitasking. Who just does one thing these days? As I type I have Adium, Mail, Twieetie, Safari, Microsoft Word and Hulu Desktop open. That'd be an annoying experience on the iPad. Even the average Joe Schmo will want a chat client and Web browsing at once.

So when would I use this thing? My best guess is for traveling, but a $629 device (you need 3G for traveling) seems expensive for a couple of trips a year.

When would you use it (here are some of my examples):-

- I would use this at home rather than sitting at the iMac or having a heavy and hot MacBook on my lap, it is perfect for casual web, email, chat, Facebook, etc. No need to get up and down all the time to the computer and so much better with big screen access. For me it will be sat on the coffee table right in front of me, where I can access everything I want at the touch of a finger. So much easier to carry around the house to use than a laptop and much better battery life.

- For reading books anywhere - not just travelling. Some of use read quite a lot;
- For browsing the web while sat on the sofa at home, so much better than using a laptop;
- For controlling iTunes on the computer (remember the Apple Remote app will work on it);
- For a hand held game playing experience that NO other handheld game machine can provide;
- For watching video on a realistic and sensible sized screen;
- Using all the great new apps that will be produced, we have not even thought about what we can do with the big touch screen yet. This will be THE selling point of the device - APPS, just as it pushed the sales of iPhones.

- I also suspect we will see OS 4.0 before it is launched, clearly they did not want to show that now as it would give away to much info on the iPhone future. The new OS will give us much, much more.
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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD View Post

How are they going to get all their content up on their iPads?

Using the USB camera connector that Apple are selling.
It lets you connect still and video cameras.
So when the photos / video editing Apps are released - sorted!
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Can the keyboard/dock be used with the iPad positioned in landscape mode?

No, only in portrait mode. There is only one port.

To use it in landscape mode, a wireless keyboard and software will be needed on the iPad.

The iPad has Bluetooth, so it should work eventually when Apple permits it of course, nobody knows at this time.
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Originally Posted by rtdunham View Post

speaking of third party apps, the link below shows a screen from Delicious Library 2. Looks a lot like iBook, eh?

http://www.albinotricolors.com/image...ouslibrary.jpg

did apple recently acquire that cool app?

mike matas, one of the designers of delicious library, worked at apple for a number of years until recently. that might have something to do with it.
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So, what about today, you know, where these products are being sold?

you would probably be happier with a crunchpad... oh wait!
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No Boot Camp = Fail!


now THAT'S funny!

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Huh? Not sure what you mean by that? Did you even watch the presentation or are you just talking out of your a**?

All the built-in applications were designed specifically for the iPad. Including Keynote, Pages, and Numbers - each of which seemed to have the same functionality as their Mac OS X counterparts. The calendar and contacts applications looked better then the Mac OS X versions.

This is not simply a larger iPod touch that can only run current apps - it is in fact an enhanced interface with new UI elements and will enable developers to create applications specifically for the iPad that rival desktop applications in functionality and surpass them in ease of use.


Yea the built in apps, fine, not really needing a lot of FPS anyway, and Apple isn't going to slow the machine down anyway with a lot of fancy GUI eye candy anyway.

But as developers scale up their software to meet the capabilities of the iPad, it's going to slow it down in performance later is my point.

Since most software sold for iPods/iPhones is games, you better believe the same will be for the iPad. And 3D games are taxing to machines, always pushing the limits of quality detail etc.

I got up to a 9 core Cell processor in my PS3, NINE CORES, to drive the High Definition realistic 3D games. How is some 1Ghz air cooled with integrated graphics single core processor going to compete with that? It can't. The iPad doesn't even have a decent resolution screen.

So games and software is going to hit the wall real fast and stop, because any faster will cause too much heat.
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Does anyone know how much the leather case will be?
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