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post #201 of 243
1/28/10 at 2:37pm
The apps alone for this device will rocket it far above and beyond anything else out there and anything else that could be dreamed up *outside* The Apple App Store ecosystem. Developers will make this thing shine. The App Store's about to be taken to the next level, and the iPad is the way to experience it. And who's got all the developers lining up to produce for the iPad? Apple. These are the same ones that are already producing for the iPhone. And with the new opportunities the iPad brings, even more will come on board.

We've already seen content providers turn en masse to Apple. The iPad simply can't fail because all the goodness out there in terms of apps and interactive content will be on the iPad - either via the App Store or iTunes, or the iBooks Store. Apple is THE content distributor of our time, and they do it with ease and stlye. Which means the only complete end to end experience on mobile devices.
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1/28/10 at 2:38pm
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What hype? The hype you invented in your own mind?

Exactly.
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1/28/10 at 2:44pm
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post #204 of 243
1/28/10 at 2:47pm
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The market doesn't agree with those numbers. And what was the predicted number before the release? Wasn't it well over 10 million?

I doubt even you can agree with your prediction that this product was going to change the landscape of Slate computing and take over notebooks.

The fact still remains even after this "major" offering Tablets are simply very small segment of the market and will remain so.

the market said $1000 dollars
it is $ 600

the tablet has no market
next year it will be tiny
in 5 yrs it will be monster

and apple will sell 10 million this yr
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post #205 of 243
1/28/10 at 2:49pm
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The thing I'm disappointed in most is the camera connection kit. It seems to me they could have had one internal SD slot and one USB jack. I don't like having to keep track of adapters, and I don't like rigid lever-like tabs sticking out a device, that's too much of a risk of damaging the port.

Reality is very few people will use the camera connection kit unless they are traveling and fillup the camera (with multi GB chips in most cameras that is a lot of photos). Most will load the photos on their desktop and synch to the iPad. Down the track camera with wifi will become more common and will synch wirelessly. plugs and slots are old technology
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post #206 of 243
1/28/10 at 2:51pm
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the market said $1000 dollars
it is $ 600

the tablet has no market
next year it will be tiny
in 5 yrs it will be monster

and apple will sell 10 million this yr

I can agree with 5 years.
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post #207 of 243
1/28/10 at 2:54pm
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

It will, my friend, in good time. When cash flow expectations rise to justify that level, not when analysts hyperventilate.

But losers wouldn't know.........

Yeah I have been hearing that for a while now. The analysts aren't the ones putting this device down, the users are. Big difference. So you going to take my bet 170 before 270? The loser has to leave the forum.
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post #208 of 243
1/28/10 at 2:56pm
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What hype? The hype you invented in your own mind?

No I was actually one of the few realistic ones that said from the start this was going to be nothing more then a large iPod Touch. It was thel local fanboys that thought it was going to change the world of computing. You know guys like Quadra saying Slate computing is going to be the end of notebooks.
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post #209 of 243
1/28/10 at 3:00pm
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Yeah I have been hearing that for a while now. The analysts aren't the ones putting this device down, the users are. Big difference. So you going to take my bet 170 before 270? The loser has to leave the forum.

Only if you're shorting the stock. It's called putting your money where your mouth is.

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No I was actually one of the few realistic ones that said from the start this was going to be nothing more then a large iPod Touch. It was thel local fanboys that thought it was going to change the world of computing. You know guys like Quadra saying Slate computing is going to be the end of notebooks.

We don't know what it's going to do, since not a single one has been sold yet, but the real point is, rumors and conjecture aren't hype, they are just rumors and conjecture.
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post #210 of 243
1/28/10 at 3:09pm
The most Essential Ipad Accessory is an additional notebook/computer & lots of time spent transferring files to it because of no usb/memory slots or DVD/CD drive. So why not just buy a small all-in-one, lightweight notebook & save your money?
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post #211 of 243
1/28/10 at 3:16pm
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The most Essential Ipad Accessory is an additional notebook/computer & lots of time spent transferring files to it because of no usb/memory slots or DVD/CD drive. So why not just buy a small all-in-one, lightweight notebook & save your money?

Like a Mac Book? Apple wants you to buy both. The iPad isn't a notebook/laptop replacement. It will be a netbook killer, though.
Aren't files going to be transferred through iTunes?
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post #212 of 243
1/28/10 at 3:26pm
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The most Essential Ipad Accessory is an additional notebook/computer & lots of time spent transferring files to it because of no usb/memory slots or DVD/CD drive. So why not just buy a small all-in-one, lightweight notebook & save your money?

Because netbooks don't run OS X or any OS made by Apple (meaning their interface sucks ass), and they look like crap and feel like crap. And no touch capability. I like my tools to not be disgusting.
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post #213 of 243
1/28/10 at 3:30pm
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Flash is like 90% of all TV shows or streaming.


This tablet is a huge letdown.

Flash is never coming to the iPhone, iPod touch, or iPad. Ever. It's not a technical limitation, its a conscious choice by Apple. And what are you missing really? Ads? Flash sucks. Its a processor hog (especially on OS X). YouTube is already transitioning their videos to the open HTML 5 standard, which the iphone/ipod touch/ipad supports. Flash is dying. Thank God.

And if it's dying on YouTube, it's dying period.
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1/28/10 at 3:55pm
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The most Essential Ipad Accessory is an additional notebook/computer & lots of time spent transferring files to it because of no usb/memory slots or DVD/CD drive. So why not just buy a small all-in-one, lightweight notebook & save your money?

What is transferred from a DVD or CD these days? The apps here are going to be downloaded. Most media is available in downloadable form.

I am disappointed with the lack of a built-in SD and USB slot.

To me, it's more like you keep a desktop, and the tablet is the mobility device that syncs to the desktop, so it's tablet + desktop instead of netbook/notebook + desktop. A lot of people seem to have more than one computer these days, this lets you keep a desktop and keeps files synced, rather than worrying about the files getting out of sync when you change different files on different computers, and your calendar and contacts stay synced and coherent too.
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post #215 of 243
1/28/10 at 3:58pm
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Flash is never coming to the iPhone, iPod touch, or iPad. Ever. It's not a technical limitation, its a conscious choice by Apple. And what are you missing really? Ads? Flash sucks. Its a processor hog (especially on OS X). YouTube is already transitioning their videos to the open HTML 5 standard, which the iphone/ipod touch/ipad supports. Flash is dying. Thank God.

And if it's dying on YouTube, it's dying period.

Not missing much (without Flash) except a bunch of free video, if you into video. Who says Flash is dying on YouTube (besides a bunch of angry folk on a Apple forum)? Sounds like they are offering an HTML 5 option but it is still there, and everywhere else including Disney.com which Steve Jobs sits on the board.
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post #216 of 243
1/28/10 at 4:09pm
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because a netbook has a lot more features

i was at a tech conference a few months ago and some of the IT people had netbooks. before it started they VPN'd into their corporate network to check things. on a netbook you can load any VPN client and all the management software you want. you can also install MS Office

as a consumer i'll take a netbook since i can install software on it. i can install the steam client and download my games like civilization 4. i can install flash so my wife can play farmville along with 50 million other people. i can watch Hulu via the browser or install the client. no need to pay itunes to watch TV.

iphone is still the best smartphone, but the ipad is a big let down. less features, higher cost and too many limitations

While I Firmly believe a person should get what fits their specific needs, I think this post points toward a common myopic view. Most people don't attend tech conferences and I'm not sure what what VPN is or why I want software management tools for VPN. IT professionals do awesome work and have helped bring in the digital age, but god help us if they they think they can design things without spending considerable time studying design and maybe going to conferences focused on just that. While I can understand why this product isn't something you would find useful, i think with all of the software already available and more powerful ones to come that many millions of people will choose the ipad. The only thing on your post that I think translates to a larger audiance is the game farmville. I don't check my facebook account too often but every time I do it's filled with updates on my friends farms and exhortations for help. That game is insanely popular.
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post #217 of 243
1/28/10 at 4:12pm
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Flash is never coming to the iPhone, iPod touch, or iPad. Ever. It's not a technical limitation, its a conscious choice by Apple. And what are you missing really? Ads? Flash sucks. Its a processor hog (especially on OS X). YouTube is already transitioning their videos to the open HTML 5 standard, which the iphone/ipod touch/ipad supports. Flash is dying. Thank God.

And if it's dying on YouTube, it's dying period.

Flash is not dying...in many professional fields it's THE tool for interactive web stuff. Yes on Macs made before a few years ago it brings the Mac to its knees pathetically. Adobe and Apple need to stop being idiots and play nice and get it on iPhone for both of their sakes. It's one of the most glaring negatives of the iPhone and especially the iPad. I really don't get why Adobe doesn't optimize Flash for Mac and iPhone. Apple probably didn't want to see iPhone slow to a standstill because Flash is programmed so terribly on Mac. But perhaps Adobe was pissed because Apple released a competitor Lightroom or something. It seems Apple and Adobe's relationship has deteriorated...
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post #218 of 243
1/28/10 at 4:58pm
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because a netbook has a lot more features

Anyone can shove a bunch features into a shell and call it a day. Apple has a different philosophy, which has been astoundingly successful. That hasn't changed.
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1/28/10 at 5:07pm
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Flash is not dying...in many professional fields it's THE tool for interactive web stuff. Yes on Macs made before a few years ago it brings the Mac to its knees pathetically. Adobe and Apple need to stop being idiots and play nice and get it on iPhone for both of their sakes. It's one of the most glaring negatives of the iPhone and especially the iPad. I really don't get why Adobe doesn't optimize Flash for Mac and iPhone. Apple probably didn't want to see iPhone slow to a standstill because Flash is programmed so terribly on Mac. But perhaps Adobe was pissed because Apple released a competitor Lightroom or something. It seems Apple and Adobe's relationship has deteriorated...

Flash for streaming is certainly dying as the standard. There are just too many big players with deep pockets pushing HTML'w open streaming for Flash to survive. With MS attacked them with the Silverlight plug-in make sit considerably more difficult for Adobe to focus., but the groundwork in laid. 2 years the main sites will defaults to HTTML5 video and Google have then punched all of their Flash from their site by then. THe timelines can change, but the trends can nt. Those are solid.
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post #220 of 243
1/28/10 at 5:32pm
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Yeah I have been hearing that for a while now. The analysts aren't the ones putting this device down, the users are. Big difference. So you going to take my bet 170 before 270? The loser has to leave the forum.

You can forecast stock prices?

Now I see you're a fool too. End of story.
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post #221 of 243
1/28/10 at 5:34pm
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Only if you're shorting the stock. It's called putting your money where your mouth is.

Spot on. IMHO, time to stop wasting our collective breath with twits and trolls.
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1/28/10 at 5:42pm
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I can agree with 5 years.

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post #223 of 243
1/28/10 at 5:48pm
I think extremeskater's right...170 before 270. I'm buying when it goes down again, for long. I had a feeling the tablet would suck, and that analysts would run up the price.
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1/28/10 at 5:52pm
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Flash is not dying...in many professional fields it's THE tool for interactive web stuff. Yes on Macs made before a few years ago it brings the Mac to its knees pathetically. Adobe and Apple need to stop being idiots and play nice and get it on iPhone for both of their sakes. It's one of the most glaring negatives of the iPhone and especially the iPad. I really don't get why Adobe doesn't optimize Flash for Mac and iPhone. Apple probably didn't want to see iPhone slow to a standstill because Flash is programmed so terribly on Mac. But perhaps Adobe was pissed because Apple released a competitor Lightroom or something. It seems Apple and Adobe's relationship has deteriorated...

flash is dead
click to flash is turning flash off world wide
flash hogs bandwidth
flash slows down web pages
flash based movie players are good
quicktime x is far better
adobe fragmented flash so badly that apple puked

adobe somehow felt that its shitty boring products were so great that they could tell apple what to do !

that was 5 yrs ago

where is apple today and where is adobe today

STEVE JOBS just told us that APPLE t is the number ONE mobile device maker in the world
and apple is flash free . i guess adober is not happy about this i guess

click to flash will nail flash dead until they wise up and tell apple that they are very sorry for being so stupid

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1/28/10 at 5:55pm
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I think extremeskater's right...170 before 270. I'm buying when it goes down again, for long. I had a feeling the tablet would suck, and that analysts would run up the price.

i think $184 is the basement , and apple will slowly creep up day by day and by november they should be at $255 to 262 a share .. i hope ..

right now apple is a steal at under $198

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1/28/10 at 6:22pm
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Flash is never coming to the iPhone, iPod touch, or iPad. Ever. It's not a technical limitation, its a conscious choice by Apple. And what are you missing really? Ads? Flash sucks. Its a processor hog (especially on OS X).

I think you mean only on OSX.
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1/28/10 at 6:25pm
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STEVE JOBS just told us that APPLE t is the number ONE mobile device maker in the world

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And there you have it- the iPad is exactly that- a mobile handheld device and not a full computer and that is why we are disappointed.
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post #228 of 243
1/28/10 at 6:27pm
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Like a Mac Book? Apple wants you to buy both. The iPad isn't a notebook/laptop replacement. It will be a netbook killer, though.
Aren't files going to be transferred through iTunes?

Apple wants you to buy anything that is an basically an extension of the iTunes store at this point - like the AppleTv and now this. Bad move Apple.
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post #229 of 243
1/28/10 at 6:58pm
I'm still confused at the market for a tablet computer, from anyone.
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1/28/10 at 7:18pm
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1/28/10 at 7:21pm
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Apple wants you to buy anything that is an basically an extension of the iTunes store at this point - like the AppleTv and now this. Bad move Apple.

I really have trouble (all over again) with your incessant negativity. Since being back, you've barely had a positive thing to say (which is why folks rebelled against you the first time around; you may want to keep that in the back of your mind before you post).

That said, you do have point here. I too am quite disappointed that Apple did not use the opportunity of something as significant as the Tablet to wean itself off of the shackles of iTunes.

I am really beginning to tire of the limitations of that piece of software limiting Apple's possibilities with such (potentially) ground-breaking products as Apple TV, iPhone/iPod Touch, iPod, and iPad.
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1/28/10 at 7:28pm
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I'm still confused at the market for a tablet computer, from anyone.

This is an interesting spin-off - can't begin to imagine the rest of them - but I'm gunna enjoy the next few months.

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VoIP
"It has a microphone. There's no reason to think it won't be able to do VoIP.
All in all, I think they've got a category-straddling winner here, but it's a bit of a gangly pseudopodal mutant at the same time. It doesn't kill the laptop or the PC quite yet, but you can at least see how Apple intends to choke the life out of those markets.
Don't like that? Better get to work on a better tablet."
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1/28/10 at 8:07pm
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I really have trouble (all over again) with your incessant negativity. Since being back, you've barely had a positive thing to say (which is why folks rebelled against you the first time around; you may want to keep that in the back of your mind before you post).

That said, you do have point here. I too am quite disappointed that Apple did not use the opportunity of something as significant as the Tablet to wean itself off of the shackles of iTunes.

I am really beginning to tire of the limitations of that piece of software limiting Apple's possibilities with such (potentially) ground-breaking products as Apple TV, iPhone/iPod Touch, iPod, and iPad.

The funny thing is - I just looked at the accessories and like them a lot. I have no idea what they cost but they are very cool looking. This will evolve eventually into something truly revolutionary but at this point I would most definitely just call it a hobby. I can see it really useful in the kitchen at some point. Don't care much for the name and think Apple should have dropped or as you like to say "wean" itself finally of the "i" moniker i.e. Kindle or whatever.
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1/28/10 at 8:10pm
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it is a grand slam device that re invents a whole catergory of client bought digital media

IT IS NOT even close to being MBP type computer
it is not even an iphone type device
it is a ipod touch ina large tampex case

you are pissed ?? too bad
its not for you
ome back dude

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Not pissed just wanted the smallest Mac I can get, not the largest iPod I can get.
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1/28/10 at 9:16pm
Like I did with the iPhone, I'm just going to wait until the second iteration of the iPad comes out. I want a camera, faster processor, and multitasking.
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1/29/10 at 5:03am
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the iPad will be huge as long as the software comes fast. i don't see any reason to buy this thing now but if the iWork suite and brushes are any indication of what can be done, this is going to be great.

Really? You're telling me the suite of built in Apps, which are clearly brand new versions of our favorite Apps, aren't interesting? They look like exactly what I've wanted for a quite a while. Multi touch Apps that I can actually see!

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i just worry that it was released a little too soon. the home screen on the thing looks ridiculous with a few tiny iPhone apps. it needs some sort of widgets or something on there. come on OS4!!!

I think it looks pretty darn slick. The 4 across spacing changes to 5 across when you rotate to landscape, something we needed yesterday on the iPhone (hopefully iPhone 3.2 or 4.0 has this)

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as for multitasking - everyone here is furious that it's not available, but the iPad is perfect for people like my parents - people who don't know how to use Word, but love to surf the internet, receive emails and see photos of their grandkids.

There are many ways to multi-task, and given that utterly useless sandbox mode that you're forced into when launching an iPhone app, I think its quite obvious that they hope to let you fill that screen with iPhone Apps.

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this is the perfect computer for Apple to release - it's simple. it's like the invention of GUI. [which was terrible at first for power users but is now the standard on 99.9% of computers]

Yes and its in every way different from the what they offer. Its not a replacement for the technophiles, but its not like we'd give something up anyway. Its the perfect all in one device for 90% of all people wanting to use a 'computer'.

The same 90% who honestly know nothing about the machines themselves.
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1/29/10 at 5:15am
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And there you have it- the iPad is exactly that- a mobile handheld device and not a full computer and that is why we are disappointed.

I wonder if anyone has pointed this out...
...but Apple *also* make full computers. They call this line of products "Mac" and are fast, flexible and let you do all the usual computery stuff.

Alongside these computers, Apple have been known to make a line of portable consumer electronics, which are less flexible, but easy to use and popular.

Are you disappointed because this product falls on one side of this divide and not the other?

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1/29/10 at 5:16am
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Not pissed just wanted the smallest Mac I can get, not the largest iPod I can get.

Get a Wind and put Snow Leopard on it!

MacBookWind FTW

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1/29/10 at 11:08am
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And why is there an implication that iPad can't use a stylus?

I have a feeling we'll see some very high-end, "executive" capacitance styli come to market. Perhaps with a pen on one end or the capacitance part of the pen cap. I can imagine a seemingly infinite number of commercial and industrial uses for this type of device, yet can't think of a single reason for my own personal use.

I also expect some heavy duty cases to be designed for more robust usage needs. I foresee the military taking a big interest in these sicne they've already found the iPod so useful. Note, perhaps coincidentally, PA Semi's biggest customer was the US military.

Absolutely!
Make a case like they have for the iPod touch in the Apple Retail stores with a stylus/scanner/camera/battery and some custom apps and where WON"T you be seeing these?
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1/29/10 at 11:13am
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It will happen overnight. This is the fridge / kitchen computer everyone has been waiting for. This is the in car computer everyone has been waiting for. this is the computer for every place where one does not sit down - from warehouse to the Front of House in Restaurants, etc. this is a no-brainer.

One of the first third party "killer apps" will be a cookbook (Yummy Soup?)
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