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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD View Post

You must know a lot of really stupid consumers then.
Every high school kid with a netbook multitasks. They do school work and check their facebook pages back and forth. Listening to music in the backgroud is a basic.

You must know a lot of...high school kids?
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because a netbook has a lot more features

i was at a tech conference a few months ago and some of the IT people had netbooks. before it started they VPN'd into their corporate network to check things. on a netbook you can load any VPN client and all the management software you want. you can also install MS Office

as a consumer i'll take a netbook since i can install software on it. i can install the steam client and download my games like civilization 4. i can install flash so my wife can play farmville along with 50 million other people. i can watch Hulu via the browser or install the client. no need to pay itunes to watch TV

iphone is still the best smartphone, but the ipad is a big let down. less features, higher cost and too many limitations

And these new netbooks out of CES rock! Add to that Windows 7 now and what a sweet deal is that?
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but might the ipad have the same rules as the iphone that allow a company, say Oracle, to manage the software and deploy custom/private titles through the IT department. That would allow for quite a bit of proprietary development.

the enterprise dev licecense from apple

downside is if you were to buy say 30,000 of these ipads, deployment sucks. For the Microsoft rent a software customers there are products MS makes to install software remotely on any PC from one server. MS has had software like this since the 1990's. there are competitors as well. no fortune 500 company is going to hire help desk people to deploy software on these things. they will just buy Windows tablets
post #84 of 224
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It does what 90% of computer users in 2010 care about and is half the price of the cheapest mobile Mac.

It well sell ridiculously well.

And no, consumers do not care about 3rd party App multi-tasking. They have no idea what even means. To them, listening to your iPod while using Safari and E-mailing and posting to Facebook, IS multi-tasking.

Why this needs to be explained to people over and over is beyond me.

And let's not forget about games.
Parents will be suckered by kids to get them one for the digital textbook savings (muscle & wallet fatigue), while planning the next MMPOFPSG* that they are going to play on it.


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Is there anything preventing MS from creating a version of MS Office for the iPad App Store? It can open DOC, DOCX and XLS files already but there are lot of features iWork simply won't include no matter how many rich updates it gets.

Would lack of imagination cover it? I see Microsoft as being totally committed to the shoehorning of Windows approach, and as disinterested in endorsing any other concept.
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That's entirely YOUR opinion that Flash makes for a FULL web experience. I do not use or see Flash at all in entire day of work or goofing off. Maybe a few old websites and i miss some low quality video clip or some advertisements.

Why should you have the "pleasure" of playing a free Flash game when it will drain your battery twice as fast as a Free or $0.99 equivalent from the App Store? How is that even a big deal at all?

YouTube and Hulu are web-based sites. I can't tell that these sites are "a few old websites"
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post #87 of 224
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Originally Posted by str1f3 View Post

I may/may not get one but if you're a tech geek there's no way you couldn't feel at least a little disappointed with this product. In many ways it is just a toy since it satisfies no basic need.

The thing I'm disappointed in most is the camera connection kit. It seems to me they could have had one internal SD slot and one USB jack. I don't like having to keep track of adapters, and I don't like rigid lever-like tabs sticking out a device, that's too much of a risk of damaging the port.
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This is America, last time I checked you don't have to support every protocol on world wide web. Flash is okay, not great but okay - but a much better experience lies ahead with raw HTML evolution. Simple.
post #89 of 224
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Originally Posted by bostondude55 View Post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnT0zp8Ya4

Hitler responds to the iPad.

Here's what's wrong with this bleeding edge technology:

1. UGLY bezel.
2. No multitasking / no OSX.
3. No camera.
4. No GPS.
5. Horrible name. Period.

I'm going to wait for the HP Slate. Office 2010 + Windows 7 is going to rock.


1. It's an ergonomic decision. How else would you hold the iPad?
2. Didn't you hear Jobs "its between iPhone and Mac" if it has OSXthen its a mac.
3. How else would you make $499 price with ALL features
4. Look at #3
5. iPod was a horrible name too in 2000, but hey 250Million iPods later everyone loves it.

Good luck with Windows.
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post #90 of 224
5 million?

Make that 6. Easy.
post #91 of 224
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Originally Posted by al_bundy View Post

the enterprise dev licecense from apple

downside is if you were to buy say 30,000 of these ipads, deployment sucks. For the Microsoft rent a software customers there are products MS makes to install software remotely on any PC from one server. MS has had software like this since the 1990's. there are competitors as well. no fortune 500 company is going to hire help desk people to deploy software on these things. they will just buy Windows tablets

But companies are already doing this.
If i remember correctly, 3Com, Oracle, and another were the first to go full tilt.
They talked about how the saved so much money and resources with the iphone. Time sheets were accessible on the iphone and more.
post #92 of 224
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Originally Posted by estyle View Post

but the great thing about ipad is, like was mentioned above, it doesn't mean anything. The name doesn't recall images of a laptop, it doesn't recall images of an ebook reader, and it doesn't recall images of a netbook.
The name is wide open to grow into its own image.

It already has its own image...a feminine product. The iMaxiPad, the iTampon, the iPad. Watch the MadTV clip on YouTube making fun of the iPod...called the iPad.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

5 million?

Make that 6. Easy.

I call your six. What have you got?

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post #94 of 224
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Originally Posted by gin_tonic View Post

YouTube and Hulu are web-based sites. I can't tell that these sites are "a few old websites"

Didn't google state that they are working on dropping flash and going to HTML5?
post #95 of 224
Completely off topic:
I read an analyst report this morning saying the iPad was going to cannibalize iPod sales.
I immediately imagined someone running on a treadmill with the iPad strapped to their arm.

I started to laugh, but then saddened that Im not better at using Photoshop.
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I call your six. What have you got?


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They did get something right...it is clearly NOT a revolutionary product. It is an iPod Touch Grande, nothing more. It was funny when Steve Jobs was trying to claim what a great web experience the iPad is, and then the web page he went to showed the missing plug-in icon! Great web experience! In 2011, maybe it will be dead like the G4 Cube was after a year. I don't see many people carrying around the iPad like they do with an iPhone or iPod Touch.
post #98 of 224
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I don't why people keep mentioning this utter nonsense. Apple listed, clearly, what the device is for. This is not for Adobe Photoshop. Again, not for Adobe Photoshop.

Flash is dead and irrelevant, bringing it up makes you sound like a troll because in fact the iPhone OS does not support Flash and has not for 3 years. That's not going to change. Get over or it, or get something else. It's really that simple.

Dead to whom exactly? I need flash due to content posted from school and being able to view videos beyond just youtube. The Pre seems to be able to handle Flash modestly so Apples reason is what, especially on a more powerful device...that doesnt multitask.
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Originally Posted by hillstones View Post

It already has its own image...a feminine product. The iMaxiPad, the iTampon, the iPad. Watch the MadTV clip on YouTube making fun of the iPod...called the iPad.

Apple products in general are popular with women.

They'll get one of these too.
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Originally Posted by gin_tonic View Post

YouTube and Hulu are web-based sites. I can't tell that these sites are "a few old websites"

You are correct.

The iPad has YouTube built in, including HD. Solved.

Hulu offers some content, free, but not for all machines. You pay quite the price in terms of battery life and CPU performance, unless you have a new machine. iTunes has the same content and much more, not free.

If the choice was mine, I would opt for purchasing every time. The only thing Apple needs to do is sweeten the deal is lower the price tier to 0.99 and 1.99, SD/HD.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

And why is there an implication that iPad can't use a stylus?

I have a feeling we'll see some very high-end, "executive" capacitance styli come to market. Perhaps with a pen on one end or the capacitance part of the pen cap.

Aren't there already several Touch pens on the market? I heard that Apple's replacement for the Symbol WinMo devices has a "pen" for taking signatures.
post #102 of 224
These predictions, as always are laughably wrong, just as with the iPhone, the iPod and even the wii.

All three of these devices shared similar "problems"

-missing "vital" hardware that's actually unnecessary fringe benefits at time of release (camera (ipad), gps + 3g(iPhone), hardware power (wii), fm radio (iPod)

- no purpose

- too locked/proprietary for nerds

etc.

guess what, people don't care.

This will sell like hotcakes because guess what? It's shaped just like the book I've been laying around with in bed, on the couch, in a car, on a train, in class, in ny living room, in the bathroom, on a plane, Aka everywhere.

Maybe some if you are too young or only nerds in the computer sense of the world, but for everyone else we've been practicing living with and getting our information from something this size our whole lives.

One 1.5 lb device less than a half inch thin I can read and store all my books, magazines, web articles, textbooks, recipes, addresses, and the seciest most useful daily planner I've ever seen?! How will this not absolutely kill in sales. World wide launch, it's gonna sell 1-5million in a couple months, not a full year.
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post #103 of 224
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Dead to whom exactly? I need flash due to content posted from school and being able to view videos beyond just youtube. The Pre seems to be able to handle Flash modestly so Apples reason is what, especially on a more powerful device...that doesnt multitask.

How many times can one repeat the incorrect notion that the iPhone/iPad does not multi-task?
post #104 of 224
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Didn't google state that they are working on dropping flash and going to HTML5?

I use HTML5 version of YouTube in my Chrome browser, but it's a looong way to get all features implemented properly (codecs, etc)
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post #105 of 224
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They did get something right...it is clearly NOT a revolutionary product. It is an iPod Touch Grande,

Which is exactly why it will do spectacularly well.

This thing has insane potential, in a beautiful package. The breadth, power, and variety of new apps developers can now sink their teeth into alone make this thing a winner.

Apple took a superior concept, the iPod Touch Experience and expanded and elaborated it into a total computing experience. This is the platform for the future. And the price is right, too.

THIS is what content distributors NEED, desperately.

I can't wait to try one of these things out. The hands-on reviews have been glowing so far, which comes as no surprise.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Apple products in general are popular with women.

They'll get one of these too.

show us the numbers, we'd like to see some data backing your statement
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Originally Posted by Motlee View Post

I agree completely. Add a camera, people complain there arent 2. Add 2, people complain that is now more expensive. Pricing the iPad outside the range of a would-be buyer to satisfy a smaller percentage that are probably going to buy it with or without a camera is a bad idea.

Honestly I think iPhone OS 3.2 is to get it out the door. The real potential will be in 4.0

iPhone )S v4.0 is likely not ready and they don't to make that reveal until it's time. I figure the iPad will run v3.2 for a few months before getting the v4.0 update along with the iPhones.

The lack of a camera helps keep the price into a more manageable area for consumers while giving them a place to go in the future. It's hard to add more bells and whistles when you're basically selling a picture frame.


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We might even see multi-tasking, in the way that you can "sandbox" more than one iPhone App at a time on that huge screen.

Don't tell me they don't have plans for that silly sandbox feature beyond what we saw....

I hope so. Having two apps side-by-side in landscape mode would be great. I think intelligent multitaskingnot what is found on WebOS, Android and WinMowill come to iPhone OS v4.0. I'll be surprised if it doesn't.

PS: Please stop feeding it!


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And let's not forget about games.
Parents will be suckered by kids to get them one for the digital textbook savings...

Even outside of gaming and eBooks (spent $600 on a Sony eReader last year for 10yo nephew and he doesn't use it ) the parental controls allow for this to be a great first computer which parents can monitor.

I wonder if MobileMe will include Find My iPad? I hope the next Mac notebooks also include a GPS chip, optional 3G card and Find My Mac in MM (dreaming).


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Would lack of imagination cover it? I see Microsoft as being totally committed to the shoehorning of Windows approach, and as disinterested in endorsing any other concept.

They make a killing off Office for Mac and nothing compares to MS' office suite when it comes to the Enterprise. I see Apple having more hubris than MS when it comes to making money so I'd hope they jump on the ball with this.


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The thing I'm disappointed in most is the camera connection kit. It seems to me they could have had one internal SD slot and one USB jack. I don't like having to keep track of adapters, and I don't like rigid lever-like tabs sticking out a device, that's too much of a risk of damaging the port.

It looks like they don't want that to be the primary way you transfer images. I suppose you could Monoprice could make it simpler and cheaper so you only have one cable for your camera, or there is the potential for BT or WiFi in current and future cameras. HD video would still be an issue wirelessly.
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post #108 of 224
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It already has its own image...a feminine product. The iMaxiPad, the iTampon, the iPad. Watch the MadTV clip on YouTube making fun of the iPod...called the iPad.

Yep, only serving to push the hype further and get this known by its inevitable target audience.
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The market doesn't agree with those numbers. And what was the predicted number before the release? Wasn't it well over 10 million?

I doubt even you can agree with your prediction that this product was going to change the landscape of Slate computing and take over notebooks.

The fact still remains even after this "major" offering Tablets are simply very small segment of the market and will remain so.

I think the market was, like the rest of us, buying into a lot of the hype and rumor surrounding the iPad prior to the announcement. Anything short of Jesus popping out of the device onto Steve's lap was going to disappoint many.

Steve himself, despite saying it was a better experience than using a smartphone and a laptop, stated that it was more in competition* with the gimmick known as the netbook.

*for lack of a better term.
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

Every good handheld Tablet has a stylus. This is just typical of Apple trying to be different even if that means making something less functional. Kind of like the no Flash issue.

The no multi-tasking however your going to have to answer that one for me because I am beyond stumped by that one.

i have a stylus for my iphone. i use for my sketchbook app. it works great. haven't found a use for it yet other than Sketchbook and Zosh for digital signatures on forms.
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Originally Posted by estyle View Post

Didn't google state that they are working on dropping flash and going to HTML5?

They've been going that route. HTML5 video beta of YouTube is nice. Lacking some controls right now and full screen mode, but it uses so much resources that it's clearly the future.


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Hulu offers some content, free, but not for all machines. You pay quite the price in terms of battery life and CPU performance, unless you have a new machine. iTunes has the same content and much more, not free.

I don't think it will be too long before Hulu offers an viewing mechanism for the iPad. App, HTML5 or both. I'd wager on both but the former will be come this year.


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Aren't there already several Touch pens on the market? I heard that Apple's replacement for the Symbol WinMo devices has a "pen" for taking signatures.

Yeah, but they haven't been popular. I think we'll see an actual market crop up with better selection.

I don't think Apple is selling that pen or that attachment and I've read that some stores are just having you use your finger to sign the Touch.


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I use HTML5 version of YouTube in my Chrome browser, but it's a looong way to get all features implemented properly (codecs, etc)

The codecs for HTML5 video in WebKit browsers are MP4-based. You shouldn't expect anything else until H.265.


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Every good handheld Tablet has a stylus.

Except that there has never been a good handheld tablet.
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Just like every good smartphone has had a physical keyboard and or stylus?
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post #113 of 224
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Every good handheld Tablet has a stylus. T

There was never a "good handheld tablet."

EDIT:

Sol beat me to it by a hair.
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OK your women like Apple best, but that does not translate into more women buying apple than men buying apple.

what it does translate into is that your more likely to get a beautiful japanese girlfriend if you have an apple ipad.
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How does a forbes article written back in mid 09 show the Tablet is going to sell over 5 million?

If only there was a mechanism for seeing what comment he was replying to.
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I can't wait to try one of these things out. The hands-on reviews have been glowing so far, which comes as no surprise.

Why because no one can get their hands on one at this time?
Seriously you honestly think everyone was waiting for what is basically a Touch- SUPERSIZED? After 2 plus years of rumours? And hype of "a new creation"?
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It probably will sell well, but I doubt it'll really take off until they add some necessary features and the software matures a bit more, ala the iPhone.

I'd like some of these nifty features to make it onto Mac OS X. I can't help but feel left by the wayside on 10.6... they haven't really updated their core apps (except for Quicktime).
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My interweb pokerface.

A pair of deuces -- just as I thought.
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post #119 of 224
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OK your women like Apple best, but that does not translate into more women buying apple than men buying apple.

True, but it does indicate that the typical male-dominated CE market has a much better balance for Apple products. I think Quadra's point is valid as he said "Apple products are popular with women" which implies a comparison to non-Apple products, not "more popular with women" which might imply a compared to the males.
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show us the numbers, we'd like to see some data backing your statement

Don't women buy more magazines than men too? Isn't this it's appeal -as a big glossy iMag?
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