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post #81 of 198
1/28/10 at 8:18pm
The funny thing is, if the tables were turned and the iPhone had multitasking and Android, WebOS, etc didn't, those who now cry "ZOMG!! iPhone (and now iPad) doesn't need multitasking!!!!!" would never stop gloating about it.

I'm always amused by the argument that having an app run in the background would destroy battery life. Yeah, by a few minutes maybe.
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post #82 of 198
1/28/10 at 8:25pm
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Originally Posted by Takeo View Post

That's like saying... this new motorcycle sucks... it would be way better if it had 4 wheels, a body, 4 doors and a trunk.

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post #83 of 198
1/28/10 at 8:29pm
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Multi-tasking means using two apps at once. Am I missing something? It's not rocket science.

I have a non-jailbroken 3GS. I have Rush playing right now in the background on the iPod app.

Here are some non-native apps I'm opening, and the music keeps playing:
  • Night Camera
  • Facebook
  • AP Mobile
  • Tech Fuse
  • UFC
  • MacNews
  • CBS Sports Mobile
  • CBS Sports College
  • College Football
  • Home Budget
  • Priceline.com
  • PS Mobile
  • Echofon
  • Loopt
  • Kindle for iPhone
  • Chipotle

And there you go for my non-music, non-game apps. All of the above opened just fine, I could use them, and the music kept playing on the iPod app. (Now Porcupine Tree is playing.)

Regarding apps that use sound, that's a different story. The iPod app will fade the sound when those apps are opened, or when the sound-using part of the app begins. One app that shut down the iPod sound was RedLaser. When the bar code-snapping part of the app came up, my music faded out.

There you have it.

All obviously Apple Approved. Check it with the othe 139,980 apps on the App store.

Try the most popular. Try streaming any music, Pandora, LastFM and you get booted. Try typing an email and get a SMS message. If you choose to acccept. You accept, you go into the SMS and answer then go back to email after going to the home screeen.

If you are reading a story on Reuters and a message comes in from SMS or Email and you answer it, you have to go back into the App. Find the story, and then find out where you left off reading.

Epic Fail on multi-tasking on every level for a 2010 OS. Phone, Tablet, Computer or Maxi-Pad.
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post #84 of 198
1/28/10 at 8:39pm
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

Yes you can.

Quite easily. In fact, I do it all the time, and could do it up to 99 separate passages if I needed to with Pastebot.

It is nice when you know what you are talking about. Try it you may like it.

And it only costs $2.99. Add that up with a modern phone OS and that along with all the other paid Apps you have a very pathetic experience to Google and Android has all that built in.

Maybe, iMight, iTS coming in the next rev. I've heard that for years.

Other OS's offer it today for Free and have Flash, Turn by Turn Directions with Voice Free. The MaxiPad is another attempt by Apple to keep you in the closet (sorry, meant to say, in their echo system where everyone is happy and you pay out your ass for everything).
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post #85 of 198
1/28/10 at 8:41pm
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Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post

Android's analysts projections are right.

Apple in 4th place in mobile arena by 2012-2013, depending on IDC or Gartner.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS386329550420100126

I think the iPhone 4G + iPhone OS 4.0 is going to make Android owners cry.
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post #86 of 198
1/28/10 at 8:43pm
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"The A stands obviously for Apple, and the difference between the Samsung processor inside the iPhone 3Gs and A4 is the clockspeed and the core type," the report said. "A4 runs at 1GHz while the chip on iPhone 3GS works clocked to 0,6GHz. This is one of main reasons why iPad can deliver a lively interface compared to stale iPhone one."

So now the iPhone interface is "stale"?! What a bunch of bullshit.
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post #87 of 198
1/28/10 at 8:49pm
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Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post

All obviously Apple Approved. Check it with the othe 139,980 apps on the App store.

Try the most popular. Try streaming any music, Pandora, LastFM and you get booted. Try typing an email and get a SMS message. If you choose to acccept. You accept, you go into the SMS and answer then go back to email after going to the home screeen.

If you are reading a story on Reuters and a message comes in from SMS or Email and you answer it, you have to go back into the App. Find the story, and then find out where you left off reading.

Epic Fail on multi-tasking on every level for a 2010 OS. Phone, Tablet, Computer or Maxi-Pad.

"Apple Approved?" They all came from the App Store. All apps on the App Store are "Apple approved," for self-evident reasons.

Funny, you started by calling me a liar. Now you want to split hairs over the meaning of "multi-tasking." Bottom line: the iPhone supports it already, though selectively.

I suspect the next iPhone OS, or perhaps the next iPhone model, will support more robust multi-tasking... as in any two (or more) apps. I imagine to pull this off, the UI will need to be reworked so that the "back to home screen" experience is replaced by an app-switching experience.
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post #88 of 198
1/28/10 at 8:51pm
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Originally Posted by Motlee View Post

I think the iPhone 4G + iPhone OS 4.0 is going to make Android owners cry.

That's what I said up to iPhone 3.0 POS. Keep wishing and keep getting hand fed what Apple thinks you need. Stay in the box. It's where Apple wants you.
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post #89 of 198
1/28/10 at 8:54pm
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Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post

That's what I said up to iPhone 3.0 POS. Keep wishing and keep getting hand fed what Apple thinks you need. Stay in the box. It's where Apple wants you.

You seem to hate everything Apple. Why don't you just go to a Google/android/MS site? Apple products are clearly not for you. You won't find me trolling sites of tech products/companies I dislike. Maybe it is time to grow up...
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post #90 of 198
1/28/10 at 8:55pm
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Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post

Other OS's offer it today for Free and have Flash, Turn by Turn Directions with Voice Free..

Yet despite all of your supposed shortcomings (I happen to think none stated are) the iPhone has still somehow managed to sell 42m of these lackluster devices.

Hopefully Apple will figure this whole "phone" thing out some day.
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post #91 of 198
1/28/10 at 8:57pm
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"Apple Approved?" They all came from the App Store. All apps on the App Store are "Apple approved," for self-evident reasons.

Funny, you started by calling me a liar. Now you want to split hairs over the meaning of "multi-tasking." Bottom line: the iPhone supports it already, though selectively.

I suspect the next iPhone OS, or perhaps the next iPhone model, will support more robust multi-tasking... as in any two (or more) apps. I imagine to pull this off, the UI will need to be reworked so that the "back to home screen" experience is replaced by an app-switching experience.

Selectively isn't good enough for 90% of users other than true Apple Fans.

Be happy and apologetic for what Apple makes you endure.

Definition. I think 2 is relevant to my experience.

1 : to undergo (as a hardship) especially without giving in : suffer <endured great pain>
2 : to regard with acceptance or tolerance <could not endure noisy children>
intransitive verb
1 : to continue in the same state : last <the style endured for centuries>
2 : to remain firm under suffering or misfortune without yielding <though it is difficult, we must endure>
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post #92 of 198
1/28/10 at 8:58pm
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Yet despite all of your supposed shortcomings (I happen to think none stated are) the iPhone has still somehow managed to sell 42m of these lackluster devices.

Hopefully Apple will figure this whole "phone" thing out some day.

Too late, everyone else already has.

MaxiPad was just proof with how out of touch Apple is with what consumers want.
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post #93 of 198
1/28/10 at 8:58pm
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Originally Posted by drivendriver View Post

I'm very skeptical. Why would they waste silicon and power on a second core when the OS doesn't support multi-tasking?

And you don't even need multiple cores for multi-tasking.

The OS does support multitasking. Apple's own apps multitask as do a select few third party apps.

The multitasking is just not exposed to most third party apps yet.

Multiple cores allow much more efficient multitasking.
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post #94 of 198
1/28/10 at 8:59pm
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The "ignore" feature isn't nearly as effective if people are going to continually engage the worthless dredges of this site in back and forth, quoting them each time.

Mr. Young (for instance) has literally nothing to add to any conversation but variants on "Apple sucks" and "Apple users are losers." Do me, and these boards a favor, and go to your user CP right now and add him to your ignore list. We'll get an immediate boost in the signal to noise ratio.

Thank you.
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post #95 of 198
1/28/10 at 9:02pm
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Originally Posted by b-a-r View Post

.. I'm sorry, but this thing just baffles me. I felt seriously sorry for Jobs, watching the keynote and seeing all those webpages load with the missing Flashplayer icon. I see he's totally into it, and honestly seems to believe in it, but no camera? iPhone OS? It sucks on the iPhone, why wouldn't it suck more on a 9" screen? I guess i could see this thing being kinda cool in a classroom, for rented textbooks, etc.. but, how about a little OLED clamshell, real keyboard, 16:9 screen, blu-ray support or even an internal blu-ray drive (Shoot, while their at it, how about an HD-DVD/Blu-Ray drive for all us suckers who adopted HD-DVD) Did Apple actually do any customer market research on this thing? Because i know if apple asked ANY of us about it, they'd have made something very different (or at least incorporated desired/functional features). I'd pay $900 for something like that. They've mastered overseas manufacturing for pennies on the dollar, made billions in the last few years. How about giving people a price break and offering something seriously killer??? I'm optimistic they could make up the profit loss in volume??? I love Apple, don't get me wrong, i've been fully Apple from the get-go, but this thing just seems like a rich guy's toy, about 3 years behind the times.
Ugh.. my rant is over.

What you want is a notebook that will cost $2,000.

Talk about this product. If it's not for you, that doesn't make it a bad product. You want a Macbook Pro with Blu-Ray from what I can see.
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post #96 of 198
1/28/10 at 9:05pm
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A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT:

The "ignore" feature isn't nearly as effective if people are going to continually engage the worthless dredges of this site in back and forth, quoting them each time.

Mr. Young (for instance) has literally nothing to add to any conversation but variants on "Apple sucks" and "Apple users are losers." Do me, and these boards a favor, and go to your user CP right now and add him to your ignore list. We'll get an immediate boost in the signal to noise ratio.

Thank you.

I will, thanks for the advice.

By the way, where is Sloppyisms. I'd expect he's come out of the coma of shock from the "Magical Moment". He has got to have some inspiring news to throw the Apple Zombies hiding in the closet until the shame has passed.
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post #97 of 198
1/28/10 at 9:05pm
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Originally Posted by whatisgoingon View Post

Sure Apple hasn't come out with the UI for multitasking yet, but there's also how much RAM the iPad has (for actually running applications, not for storage). That's what is killing jailbroken iPhones from effectively running multiple apps at once, namely the limited amount of RAM. The 3GS has greatly help, by having double the amount of RAM from the previous models.

Anybody know how much the iPad has?

I"ve been asking about this since yesterday and have been trying to find info on it, but no one seems to know, as Apple doesn't list it on the tech specs.
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post #98 of 198
1/28/10 at 9:06pm
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

The screen may be larger, but the iPad uses the OS-X mobile UI where all apps run full screen by default.

Unless it's hacked, there will never be two apps on the screen at the same time on the iPad.

So while your argument makes some sense in the abstract, it's not a valid argument for multi-tasking on the iPad because there is never going to be two apps on the screen together, even if multi-tasking is added in. You will always have the full screen for each app and switch between the two. This is one of the main features of the UI design.

I agree with you for now.

But if there is anything we've learned about Apple, when it comes to design and features, never say never.
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post #99 of 198
1/28/10 at 9:12pm
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Originally Posted by gin_tonic View Post

Reading a book and using a IM program at the same time.

Please be honest, the very fans are screaming that they don't need multitasking. But as soon as Apple will introduce multitasking in its products the same people will scream that they can't live without it.

It has nothing to do with Apple fans. The fact is that we don't NEED multitasking. But it would be nice to have.

WHEN Apple comes out with it, it will be good. Just like C/paste, it is nice to have, but I'll bet that few people use it. And don't flame me saying that you do. It doesn't matter. I know a lot of people with iPhones and Touches, and most aren't even aware that it's here now. Of the rest, a few said they use it sometimes. I've used it a grand total of two times.

I do think that multitasking will be used more, but with all the phones and Touches sold before C/paste AND multitasking, it shows that people don't need it.

Want and need are two different things.
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post #100 of 198
1/28/10 at 9:15pm
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT:

The "ignore" feature isn't nearly as effective if people are going to continually engage the worthless dredges of this site in back and forth, quoting them each time.

Mr. Young (for instance) has literally nothing to add to any conversation but variants on "Apple sucks" and "Apple users are losers." Do me, and these boards a favor, and go to your user CP right now and add him to your ignore list. We'll get an immediate boost in the signal to noise ratio.

Thank you.

Done. Good suggestion.
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post #101 of 198
1/28/10 at 9:15pm
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Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post

Multitasking is necessary.

For example you cant listen to a iTunes U lecture and follow along reading your e-Textbook.

Waiting for a important email? Well you can't listen to music or watch a TV show in the meanwhile.

Want to copy a great passage from a e-book and email it to your friend? oh no can't do that.

Sometimes I think Apple has lost it's fscking mind.

Do you have an iPhone or Touch?
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post #102 of 198
1/28/10 at 9:18pm
I think it's pretty obvious that iPhone OS 4.0 will make the tablet and the A4 much more powerful. I would say it will unlock the true tablet, as the current version is just a beta test for the real thing. With iPhone OS we will get multitasking for 3d party apps (works fine on my jailbroken touch so I can listen to last fm while browsing the web). I think that A4 is a dual core chip (software limited until iPhone OS 4.0 arrives), with a potential of scaling to 4 cores in short period of time in the future. I also think that this 1Ghz chip will have to make it to iPhone 4 as well, if only because of Nexus One.

I have a question for everyone: Do you guys think that the iPad will fall in price in gen2, or will it retain the price while getting hardware/software improvements like say a macbook or an iMac?
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post #103 of 198
1/28/10 at 9:22pm
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Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post

Either you have a Jail Broke iPhone or you are not telling the truth.

Either way, your posting to suggest it's native Apple software is pathetic. Google Maps, Yahoo Weather are assumed to be Apple Native because they ship with all iPhone's currently.

Lack of Flash and multi tasking for 3rd party apps says that Android's analysts projections are right.

Apple in 4th place in mobile arena by 2012-2013, depending on IDC or Gartner.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS386329550420100126

Following the path of the Mac. Jobs is more arrogant than I thought.

iPad, Epic Fail on so many levels in 2010. Steve is losing his magical touch. Must have gone with his last liver.

I don't think you know what you're talking about here.

More companies are abandoning Flash every day for HTML 5 and H.264.

Mostly, what Flash is used for is watching video over the web. It isn't required for that. You might have noticed that as soon as the iPhone came out, YouTube converted over to H.264. Google Chrome doesn't support Flash either. As Apple's products continue their relentless march, more sites are dropping Flash video.

While Flash is also used for site animations, Ads etc, it can be done with Java in most cases, and that's what we're seeing happen.

I wouldn't be too believing of that prediction, they've been wrong more than they've been right.
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post #104 of 198
1/28/10 at 9:24pm
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Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post

I am not your Dude.

There are about a 100 thousand sites that prove you wrong as of the maxi pad magical movement). Sorry, I meant moment.

I have original iPhone and 3G with current OS.

You are not telling the truth. Multi-Tasking only works for Apple Approved Apps. Otherwise you get a a BIG ASS notice saying you have a new email, new text message, I could go on but won't.

You don't even know the difference between a notification and true mulit-tasking.

You are trained well young Jedi Apple Zombie.

You didn't respond to what he said, which is correct.
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post #105 of 198
1/28/10 at 9:25pm
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The iPhones was supposed to bomb, too. It got a slow start. Fast forward to 2009. They sold nearly 50 iPhones.

I wanted front-facing camera, so I'm disappointed about that. Otherwise, it looks sah-weet.

It's not a MacPad. It's an iPad. I bet it'll sell like hotcakes.

I didn't say MacPad, I said they name is will ever be remembered for, MaxiPad, iTampon I could go on again but wont.

I'll bet it will have the normal MaxiPad Zombie sales and then be like the AppleTV.

There are too many devices that are being introduced for what they have not what may or may not happen with the next upgrade

If this is Steve Jobs greatest device, it should have died with his liver. Withered and not useful on a daily basis, even as a toy.

Advice. Sell Apple an pick up Google.

Don't go on with that line of name calling. It's not only insulting, it's disgusting.
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post #106 of 198
1/28/10 at 9:29pm
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Originally Posted by stonefree View Post

The funny thing is, if the tables were turned and the iPhone had multitasking and Android, WebOS, etc didn't, those who now cry "ZOMG!! iPhone (and now iPad) doesn't need multitouch!!!!!" would never stop gloating about it.

I'm always amused by the argument that having an app run in the background would destroy battery life. Yeah, by a few minutes maybe.

Take a look at the reviews of those phones, and you'll find out why they have you manage your multitasked apps. It's because of slowing performance, and battery life. If you don't want to read the reviews, then you're not doing your due diligence.
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post #107 of 198
1/28/10 at 9:30pm
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I have a question for everyone: Do you guys think that the iPad will fall in price in gen2, or will it retain the price while getting hardware/software improvements like say a macbook or an iMac?

Apple's position over the last couple years would lean towards...either.
Even if they just add new features but keep the price the same, it will seem like a price drop. Similar to the 3Gs.
Or they may add a ton of stuff AND drop the price. Like the MB, MBP, MBA, iMac.
Either way I dont think I can hold out for a refresh to get the iPad. I dont need 3G or a ton of storage so $499 is looking mighty cheap to me.
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post #108 of 198
1/28/10 at 9:31pm
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Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post

Selectively isn't good enough for 90% of users other than true Apple Fans.

Be happy and apologetic for what Apple makes you endure.

Definition. I think 2 is relevant to my experience.

1 : to undergo (as a hardship) especially without giving in : suffer <endured great pain>
2 : to regard with acceptance or tolerance <could not endure noisy children>
intransitive verb
1 : to continue in the same state : last <the style endured for centuries>
2 : to remain firm under suffering or misfortune without yielding <though it is difficult, we must endure>

Enough!
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post #109 of 198
1/28/10 at 9:33pm
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Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post

I will, thanks for the advice.

By the way, where is Sloppyisms. I'd expect he's come out of the coma of shock from the "Magical Moment". He has got to have some inspiring news to throw the Apple Zombies hiding in the closet until the shame has passed.

One more post like this and you're gone.
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1/28/10 at 10:11pm
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Originally Posted by sheff View Post

I think it's pretty obvious that iPhone OS 4.0 will make the tablet and the A4 much more powerful. I would say it will unlock the true tablet, as the current version is just a beta test for the real thing. With iPhone OS we will get multitasking for 3d party apps (works fine on my jailbroken touch so I can listen to last fm while browsing the web). I think that A4 is a dual core chip (software limited until iPhone OS 4.0 arrives), with a potential of scaling to 4 cores in short period of time in the future. I also think that this 1Ghz chip will have to make it to iPhone 4 as well, if only because of Nexus One.

I have a question for everyone: Do you guys think that the iPad will fall in price in gen2, or will it retain the price while getting hardware/software improvements like say a macbook or an iMac?

Personally I don't think they will drop the price for gen 2... at least on the low end, but prepare for a doubling in storage, more speed, and maybe features like a webcam or a built in card reader. I also don't think gen 2 is going to come out as fast as it did with the iPhone. Most upgrades can be done on the software side. Personally I don't expect an update for a year. Even if the price drops, waiting meant you didn't have it until then.

Another point to add is even with iPhone OS 3.2, Apple has shown that apps can be much much better on this new platform... something I've been suggesting for quite some time. I think developer support will really make this thing shine.
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post #111 of 198
1/28/10 at 10:21pm
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Originally Posted by AngusYoung View Post

I will, thanks for the advice.

By the way, where is Sloppyisms. I'd expect he's come out of the coma of shock from the "Magical Moment". He has got to have some inspiring news to throw the Apple Zombies hiding in the closet until the shame has passed.

WOW. - That's some 'life' you've got there DUDE!
How's it workin' out for you MATE!
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post #112 of 198
1/28/10 at 10:36pm
[CENTER]So...

Nothing really new, innovative, or 'game changing' with this Apple A4 chip, just a bit of (existing) component shuffling and badge engineering.

Regardless, I hear this puppy really flies on the iPad.[/CENTER]
"Why iPhone"... Hmmm?
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post #113 of 198
1/28/10 at 10:54pm
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Originally Posted by OzExige View Post

WOW. - That's some 'life' you've got there DUDE!
How's it workin' out for you MATE!
:-)

Ok, don't be part of the problem.
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post #114 of 198
1/28/10 at 11:59pm
Uh, no I don't have a iPod Touch or iPhone, so I'm not quite familiar with all it's capabilities.

I was trying to illustrate a point of the necessity of multitasking and why it's important it be available on the iPad and used possibly erroneous examples.

I was going by what people say that there isn't any multi-tasking or copy and paste on the devices.


I was waiting to get a Touch if and when the capacity increased as my music collection is quite large and my iPod Classic is doing fine right now.

Unfortunately the iPad suffers too from poor storage capacity, so I won't find much use for it. Also the fact that I have to buy apps to get any basic function like copy and paste.

Perhaps when the SDXC cards of up to 2TB roll out the devices will change accordingly.

Good night.
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post #115 of 198
1/29/10 at 12:01am
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Originally Posted by sidste View Post

Why multi-tasking: because I might want to. It is that simple. I could be working on a document and need to go to the web to look something up. Save the document, close it out, open safari, get my info and somehow copy it to a clip board, close safari, open iwork, open my document..... ahh, what was I doing??

.. and I might want to be listening to music, reading an ibook, and watching a movie all at the same time.

If the capability is there, activate it.

It already works that way without the multitasking people are talking about. Reading a book, listening to music while watching a movie at the same time... mmmmm. Even on a large screen that's difficult but on a 10" screen?

What you have described really is single tasking - you are still only performing one action at a time on the device. The multitasking that people are asking for is a fiction and just FUD.
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post #116 of 198
1/29/10 at 12:04am
... iPhone will allow you to play iPod music until such time as your application requests to pause or stop the music.

If the music stops, then its because a programmer used an API to tell the phone "hey, any music that is playing, please stop. I am about to play audio that will not play cohesively with the iPod.

That is the simple fact. All other apps will not touch audio.

Anything where it stops, a 3rd party has chosen for that to be the case. Apple did not.

I hope that shuts you up AngusYoung,***** At least have some half decent facts to back it up.

And yes, I know this as a mac and iPhone developer from the start.
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1/29/10 at 12:08am
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Originally Posted by CU10 View Post

Spoken like a true Burroughs salesman!

Ha you are joking - Burroughs sales people couldn't sell anything - they were known as the Burroughs sales prevention force \

Mind you, they did have to combat the IBM-only mindset, much as Apple has to battle the MS-only mindset these days. Not to mention the dirty-tricks departments.

MCP still leaves Unix for dead and buffer overruns are completely prevented - the scourge of C-based security problems.
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post #118 of 198
1/29/10 at 12:18am
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Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post

Uh, no I don't have a iPod Touch or iPhone, so I'm not quite familiar with all it's capabilities.

I was trying to illustrate a point of the necessity of multitasking and why it's important it be available on the iPad and used possibly erroneous examples.

I was going by what people say that there isn't any multi-tasking or copy and paste on the devices.


I was waiting to get a Touch if and when the capacity increased as my music collection is quite large and my iPod Classic is doing fine right now.

Unfortunately the iPad suffers too from poor storage capacity, so I won't find much use for it. Also the fact that I have to buy apps to get any basic function like copy and paste.

Perhaps when the SDXC cards of up to 2TB roll out the devices will change accordingly.

Good night.

Both the iPhone and the Touch have C/paste, and have for a while now. I don't know why you would think they don't. It's not likely, with iwork being available for this, that it doesn't have it as well.

Multitasking is there as well for the phone and Touch, just not for most third party apps. Likely the iPad isn't worse in this aspect.

We don't know what OS 4 will have in late June. Multitasking is likely, but not a lock. Whether any older devices get is is also possible, but not certain.

We've been discussing this for quite a while as well. You've been around, you must be familiar with this.

There is a photo kit for the iPad, and it might work on the iPhone/Touch as well. It has two adapters. both plug into the 30 pin slot. One has a USB 2 connector, and the other one for SD cards. Whether we will be able to have storage go the other way is something we'll find out.
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post #119 of 198
1/29/10 at 12:20am
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... iPhone will allow you to play iPod music until such time as your application requests to pause or stop the music.

If the music stops, then its because a programmer used an API to tell the phone "hey, any music that is playing, please stop. I am about to play audio that will not play cohesively with the iPod.

That is the simple fact. All other apps will not touch audio.

Anything where it stops, a 3rd party has chosen for that to be the case. Apple did not.

I hope that shuts you up AngusYoung,***** At least have some half decent facts to back it up.

And yes, I know this as a mac and iPhone developer from the start.

No name calling, and watch the words please.
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post #120 of 198
1/29/10 at 12:38am
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If you are reading a story on Reuters and a message comes in from SMS or Email and you answer it, you have to go back into the App. Find the story, and then find out where you left off reading.

Epic Fail on multi-tasking on every level for a 2010 OS. Phone, Tablet, Computer or Maxi-Pad.

I'm afraid you fail this CS course. Go back and read my many entries on multitasking. OK, I'll explain again slowly.

What does multitasking give you? The ability to swap applications and return to the original application exactly at the point where you left off. In CS jargon it's called saving state. IPhone OS does exactly this - it's just that state is not saved in main memory, it's saved out to flash. Swapping is sufficiently fast that this does not matter. The technology of where the state is saved is irrelevant (as long as swapping is fast enough).

The other thing is to continue playing music, which you can do. Another thing is to get event notifications for incoming calls and messages, etc. It does this.

For anymore sophisticated MT, use a Mac. iPhone OS MT is sufficient at this stage. I suspect that developers will be able to supply their own daemons in the future.

Now I'll tell you what's really missing - it's garbage collection - and this will be a prerequisite before you can trust applications to hang around in memory for any amount of time.
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