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post #121 of 280
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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post

No, he's not - there is an adapter for SD cards and a USB port - this is not a card, it's a bit of plastic that slots into the dock connector socket (whatever it's called) for the occasional use that people would need this for...

Your link:

http://www.apple.com/uk/ipad/specs/

Just came back. Thank you.
post #122 of 280
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Nobody prints anymore. You are the only person who would want that. It is a better product because it will not print.

FOR ME.

Who says it won't print? It has blue tooth - one of my printers here is bluetooth, it has also has a USB adapter. No one has said it won't print, unless I'm missing something?

Can't remember the last time i printed anything, or faxed anything for that matter. File > PDF > Email delivery. Simples.
post #123 of 280
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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post

A subset of web pages? Don't be ridiculous. That's a stupid statement. At some point the Adobe will sort their software and it will be fit for use on Apple portable devices. But web pages that don't use flash are not a "subset". That's simply nonsense.

The dictionary can be a useful tool.

Here's the first definition I cam across: "a set whose members are members of another set; a set contained within another set"

Can you suggest a better word than the one I used?
post #124 of 280
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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post

You don't compare a banana with a steak dinner. Yes, they are both food, but there the similarity ends. Pointless comparison is just that - pointless.

Yeah. I expected a steak dinner from Apple. Instead, they gave us a banana.
post #125 of 280
I think Apple will have another keynote address in 2 months (when the wifi iPads are due to be released) to reveal additional features as well as a new version of iTunes AND iPhone OS 4.0. The new version of iTunes - iTunes X - will take things to a whole new level.
post #126 of 280
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

The dictionary can be a useful tool.

Here's the first definition I cam across: "a set whose members are members of another set; a set contained within another set"

Can you suggest a better word than the one I used?

Yes, you could have used the phrase "You're not able to access the entire web, as you're unable to access flash content"

However, you're suggesting that flash sites are the 'set', and all else a 'subset' - sites that are entirely flash are in the minority, it is those which are a 'subset'. I disagree with your use of the word, and also the way you try to apply the definition to this application. Non-flash content is not a set contained within a flash 'set'. It is simply that some sites and some content can't be accessed, you can visit every page on the web using apple mobile devices, that all pages won't display correctly is not Apple's fault.

Which, to reiterate is a problem for Adobe to deal with, not one for apple. Once the proprietary, closed software is fixed by it's current owner, it could happily find a place on Apple's mobile devices.
post #127 of 280
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Yeah. I expected a steak dinner from Apple. Instead, they gave us a banana.

Your expectations not being met, do not make this product a 'failure' in anything other than your opinion. In my opinion, I saw a product demonstrated that did exactly what I hoped it would do. My company will be buying 26 of these devices on launch day. I'm just a small UK business. Where is the failure? I'm sat with my steak dinner now - that does exactly what I want it to do also. I love the mac pro, but i don't want it in my living room, nor do i want to lug a laptop around when all I'll do is use it as a music system while checking email and browsing. And I have click2flash installed and manage a perfectly great browsing experience. My world doesn't need flash, it's irritating and the sign of a lazy, retrograde designer.
post #128 of 280
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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post


I know a lot of employees and colleagues who are already eyeing the 'pad up as a replacement for unnecessary laptops

Additionally, I'm from one of those many companies who have blocked the flash plug in on all devices

We don't use office,

Well, it seems adequate FOR YOU. But what about the rest of us?
post #129 of 280
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Originally Posted by surferfromuk View Post

No corporation in the world would risk letting their execs put games (shall we call them non-business related entertainment apps ?) on company laptops but really, it's absolutely not a problem on an iPad is it since it does not constitute a viral/spyware or security issue. It's probably worth $499 to stop them going nuts in hotel rooms with the mini-bar whilst away on business!

In the corporate world, especially government, everything is a security risk. We're have all iTunes installs on our Windows boxes auto-removed and told to use WiMP instead, due to security vulnerabilities.
post #130 of 280
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Well, it seems adequate FOR YOU. But what about the rest of us?

The 'rest of you' don't have to buy this device - it's not becoming law to own one. LMAO.
post #131 of 280
Since Blackberrys are the staple at our company, there's no push support put in place, but if Apple would even do the little things and add 'meeting attendees' to calendar entries when synced via iTunes, it would complete ALL my requirements.

Until that time, I still have crackberry envy.

I can't imagine how life would change if FileMaker came out with a true client for the iPhone as well!! (FMTouch unfortunately doesn't cut the mustard)
post #132 of 280
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Originally Posted by surferfromuk View Post

1)
I assume then that you are essentially suggesting that people don't bother trying it - that they make an assessment and final judgement from a position of total ignorance?

Your assumption is incorrect. And there is no necessary correlation between a lack of "total ignorance" and "trying it". Did you maintain that unless folks try a Hummer, they are totally ignorant about its suitability for tight urban areas with high gas prices? Please.

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Originally Posted by surferfromuk View Post

1) Anyway, I think this device has enough of it's own exciting momentum and you can bet iPhone OS 4.0 ( when demo'd in June) gets lots of people trying it so they will be able to decided if it's hummer or compact car enough for their particular needs - all knowing they can send it back if it's not right - good that isn't it!

Yeah - inclusion of the old OS was a huge disappointment. I was hoping that iOS 4.0 would be announced. In the current incarnation, I say "Meh". Maybe it will become compelling if the new OS makes it more capable.
post #133 of 280
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Originally Posted by surferfromuk View Post

Try picking up your laptop and typing on it without using your thumbs - you'll find it impossible.

Huh? WTF? I said the overly wide bezel was ugly. What is this about no thumbs?
post #134 of 280
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Originally Posted by crees! View Post

In the corporate world, especially government, everything is a security risk. We're have all iTunes installs on our Windows boxes auto-removed and told to use WiMP instead, due to security vulnerabilities.

If you can run an iPhone without risk, then you would think that it goes that you can naturally run an iPad.

Still high-level CTO's will be able to make that assessment.
post #135 of 280
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Huh? WTF? I said the overly wide bezel was ugly. What is this about no thumbs?

I think his point was about the size of the bevel being perfect. If you measure the heel of your hand from the base of your thumb, up to and including the full width of your thumb (for when not interacting), then this bezel is a perfect fit for that, give or take a few millimetres. SO if you don't want the bezel, you need to remove your thumbs from the equation.
post #136 of 280
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Your assumption is incorrect. And there is no necessary correlation between a lack of "total ignorance" and "trying it". Did you maintain that unless folks try a Hummer, they are totally ignorant about its suitability for tight urban areas with high gas prices? Please.



Yeah - inclusion of the old OS was a huge disappointment. I was hoping that iOS 4.0 would be announced. In the current incarnation, I say "Meh". Maybe it will become compelling if the new OS makes it more capable.

1) Ok, let's go with the vehicle analogy then.

Let's say a Laptop is a Hummer ( all purpose rugged off-roading vehicle right, expensive to buy and own and maintain and run)

That would make an iPad a little two seater convertible sports car. Great for sunny days down the beach, cruising, laying back with your honey listening to tunes, seeing the sights and having fun in the corners.

Now, your saying because you own a Hummer you won't ever need a little two seater sports convertible. Clearly I understand the convertible will not be practical in a military off-road desert situation, but seriously, why cruise the beach front in a Hummer when you can do it in a cheap sports car and leave behemoth on the drive!

Now, if you've only ever driven a Hummer all your life, then you really don't know the joys of a little two seater sports convertible, do you!

2) Well, dreams can come true. Come June, watch the skies!
post #137 of 280
I would agree with the comments that it won't take (at least quickly) in the business realm. In business you need interoperability. VGA outputs on the device you are presenting from, the ability to quickly insert a thumb drive with the presentation on it because somebody made edits the night before. The ability to put documents on a thumb drive so you can quickly run into Kinkos to get those hand outs you edited until 3am printed in color.

Business isn't going to work around a devices limitations, the device needs to conform to business needs. You have no idea how much I would love to replace a bulky laptop when traveling, but reality is that with this device, it isn't going to happen until they create more add-ons, use our office programs, etc. It may work for some. I think it would be great to take one in addition to a laptop, browsing news in bed without the bulk of the laptop, but then again, it is in addition to at this point...
post #138 of 280
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Well, it seems adequate FOR YOU. But what about the rest of us?

You have posted this same reply several times on more than one thread over the last few days. Your posts also seem to outnumber anybody else's. What the hell do you do for a living which allows you this much time to rant and rave a bout a product you don't like and clearly will never buy? You truly are an incessant whinger. Don't you ever get bored of yourself? I mean, have you got no self awareness? No alarm bells, yet?
post #139 of 280
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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post


However, you're suggesting that flash sites are the 'set',

Nope. All websites are the set. The sites that can be optimally accessed by the 'Pad are the subset.




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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post

and all else a 'subset' - sites that are entirely flash are in the minority, it is those which are a 'subset'.

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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post

I disagree with your use of the word, and also the way you try to apply the definition to this application. Non-flash content is not a set contained within a flash 'set'.

Correct. Non-flash websites are a subset of websites, rather than a subset of flash websites. But so what?


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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post

It is simply that some sites and some content can't be accessed,

Bing. Now you are catching on.

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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post

you can visit every page on the web using apple mobile devices, that all pages won't display correctly is not Apple's fault.

Fault? What does it matter whose fault it is that the device will access only a subet of web sites? I don't understand why fault is relevant to the inadequacies of the device.
post #140 of 280
I want WIMAX in my city.

Then I want the WI-FI IPAD mounted inside my car.

Then I want voice response commands on the IPAD.

That is all.
post #141 of 280
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Originally Posted by DanielSW View Post

What sort of delusional fool are you? Anyone who calls ONESELF a "genius" is obviously manic on the subject.

Seemingly, what is obvious to you and what is true are two different things.
post #142 of 280
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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post

Your expectations not being met, do not make this product a 'failure' in anything other than your opinion.

I don't recall ever calling it a failure. Instead, I think I've consistently called it a disappointment.
post #143 of 280
I, too, had hoped for iChat capabilities on the iPad. However, if you've attempted wireless videoconferencing via a 3G network, you understand that the bandwidth creates a much less than desired experience compared with a wired ethernet connection. The capacity and bandwidth capability of wireless networks need much improvement before it really will make sense to include videoconferencing on iPad. Eventually, I believe it will be offered if iPad is commercially successful, but having it now would simply add to costs and complaints.
post #144 of 280
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Nobody prints anymore. You are the only person who would want that. It is a better product because it will not print.

FOR ME.

Yes. The crazy Apple fanatics are claiming that it won't be possible to print from the iPad and that that's a good thing. On account of how crazy they are.
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post #145 of 280
FYI-- over on the discussion on Ars there's a developer with the SDK in hand (who has to be a bit vague owing to the NDA), but who keeps quietly assuring everyone that getting files on and off the iPad has been "well thought out" and that concerns around that are unfounded.

There have also been a couple of reports of a shared folder scheme.

More generally, it seems pretty clear that the intro presentation touched on the high points without getting into some of the nitty gritty, and that over the next 60 days we are likely to be getting additional info that will allay some of the concerns that some people have.

It reminds a little of the introduction of the first iMac, which, because it dropped legacy printer ports in favor of USB, had people claiming that it "couldn't print." I literally heard that from some random guy at Comp USA who had wandered over from looking at PCs.
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post #146 of 280
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

Yes. The crazy Apple fanatics are claiming that it won't be possible to print from the iPad and that that's a good thing. On account of how crazy they are.

I disagree, you need print capability, presentation handouts, specifications, etc. until the whole world has gone digital. Then you'll just need a way to easily and instantly share the digital items on your device with those around you without giving them full access... Until then, business rolls on with printers!
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post #148 of 280
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Originally Posted by astroturf1 View Post

I disagree, you need print capability, presentation handouts, specifications, etc. until the whole world has gone digital. Then you'll just need a way to easily and instantly share the digital items on your device with those around you without giving them full access... Until then, business rolls on with printers!

Re-read his post again. Note the sarcasm.


PS: Why are the Ethiopians the only ones smart enough to include a character to denote sarcasm? That is not sarcastic, but it is mostly rhetorical.
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post #149 of 280
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Originally Posted by astroturf1 View Post

I disagree, you need print capability, presentation handouts, specifications, etc. until the whole world has gone digital. Then you'll just need a way to easily and instantly share the digital items on your device with those around you without giving them full access... Until then, business rolls on with printers!

Yep, and this is why the ipad will print. Who has said that it won't? It's amazing how these little assumptions suddenly become 'flaws' in the device when it is not known if any such 'flaw' is present.
post #150 of 280
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

On a job interview most of the time you get asked how well you can multi-task. So if the company wants its employees to multi-task we can assume they also want them to have a device and can do the same.

If you need multitasking, buy the $998 model that offers multitasking through its advanced duct tape technology. It also gives you twice the screen real estate.
post #151 of 280
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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post

Yep, and this is why the ipad will print. Who has said that it won't? It's amazing how these little assumptions suddenly become 'flaws' in the device when it is not known if any such 'flaw' is present.

Let me rephrase, I disagree with the fanatics claiming that it won't print and how that could be a good thing.

It has wifi and ability to edit document and given Apples previous attention to detail, it would seem ironic if it couldn't print.
post #152 of 280
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Originally Posted by astroturf1 View Post

I would agree with the comments that it won't take (at least quickly) in the business realm. In business you need interoperability. VGA outputs on the device you are presenting from, the ability to quickly insert a thumb drive with the presentation on it because somebody made edits the night before. The ability to put documents on a thumb drive so you can quickly run into Kinkos to get those hand outs you edited until 3am printed in color.

Business isn't going to work around a devices limitations, the device needs to conform to business needs. You have no idea how much I would love to replace a bulky laptop when traveling, but reality is that with this device, it isn't going to happen until they create more add-ons, use our office programs, etc. It may work for some. I think it would be great to take one in addition to a laptop, browsing news in bed without the bulk of the laptop, but then again, it is in addition to at this point...

Yup, a VGA adapter will be available, this will no doubt plug into the dock connector and have a VGA on the other end, other projectors use RGB, S-Video etc. etc., they can't all be included on every device, so just buy the right connector for the job - no issue there. The abillity to use a thumb drive - just do it - again a USB adapter/SD Card adapter is already available.

Why not just connect to this thing wirelessly and drop the file onto it, or vice versa? I wouldn't have a device in my office that didn't have wireless connectivity...

As far as business not working to limitations - it's been working to the limitations of windows for years.
post #153 of 280
This entire thread is down the tubes...please folks...put iGenius boy on your ignore list...please...it's just killing the discussion...
post #154 of 280
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Originally Posted by cyclix View Post

I, too, had hoped for iChat capabilities on the iPad. However, if you've attempted wireless videoconferencing via a 3G network, you understand that the bandwidth creates a much less than desired experience compared with a wired ethernet connection. The capacity and bandwidth capability of wireless networks need much improvement before it really will make sense to include videoconferencing on iPad. Eventually, I believe it will be offered if iPad is commercially successful, but having it now would simply add to costs and complaints.

I can also see Apple creating an inexpensive desktop variant of the iPad. It would look like an iPad on an iMac stand. It would be able to swivel from portrait to landscape and have an iSight built in and come standard with a bluetooth keyboard.
post #155 of 280
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post

I can also see Apple creating an inexpensive desktop variant of the iPad. It would look like an iPad on an iMac stand. It would be able to swivel from portrait to landscape and have an iSight built in and come standard with a bluetooth keyboard.

That's crazy talk - the 'pad exists in its own category and is already inexpensive. Apple will never sell a computing device at less than $499. In a way, the 'desktop' version already exists in that rather ugly "keyboard dock" - I hope that thing is all aluminium, not white plastic in places as it appears to be on apple's images. Apple already make desktop computers, and laptop computers - this will never be turned into either, that mindset would decimate Mac sales.

I see (in a few years) some form of touch interaction on the laptop and desktop range, but not in the iPhone sense - it simply wouldn't work - a nice multi touch track pad on the keyboard would be nice, but i don't want to work on a 30" monitor with my hands, I'd be exhausted inside an hour.
post #156 of 280
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Originally Posted by gts_mac View Post

This entire thread is down the tubes...please folks...put iGenius boy on your ignore list...please...it's just killing the discussion...

Done... Not sure why people feed the trolls.
post #157 of 280
Apple should come up with their own tethering App for the iPad that lets a user pair an iPad with an iPhone over the Bluetooth (or over WiFi ad-hoc mode) such that the iPad can use iPhone's 3G data connection.
post #158 of 280
I plan on buying a half dozen iPads to use at my company. I'm in the Aerospace industry and I have a large warehouse full of inventory that employees have to navigate. I can install an App like FMtouch and get our whole database on the iPad and items can be located, pulled, shipped and tracked all straight from the warehouse while my employees are mobile. Not to mention printing orders via bluetooth to a central printer, and emailing customers with shipping details via WiFi. As for "multitasking" on the iPad, other tasks that require a computer can be performed better on their desktop computers running the full Mac OS.
post #159 of 280
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Originally Posted by Speedster View Post

I plan on buying a half dozen iPads to use at my company. I'm in the Aerospace industry and I have a large warehouse full of inventory that employees have to navigate. I can install an App like FMtouch and get our whole database on the iPad and items can be located, pulled, shipped and tracked all straight from the warehouse while my employees are mobile. Not to mention printing orders via bluetooth to a central printer, and emailing customers with shipping details via WiFi. As for "multitasking" on the iPad, other tasks that require a computer can be performed better on their desktop computers running the full Mac OS.

This is interesting. Just the inventory management use case of a WiFi connected iPad in a building or a 3G connected iPad outdoors may sell a million units, though a full-shift (10-hour) battery life would be critical for these kind of applications. Expect Apple stores to be one of the first adopters of this use case. One can stretch the industrial/commercial uses cases from the UPS/FedEx delivery person to a "dynamic menu" in high end restaurants.
post #160 of 280
Tablets have always seen their greatest success in the enterprisefor a variety of niche applications. But I bet those stylus devices cost a lot more than $499! Custom in-house apps for iPad will be awesome for so many things.
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