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It's funny. These new features (i.e. printing to a network, network file retreival) that's exactly what i've been complaining that the iPad doesn't have that i wish it did. Hopefully these features will make it to the consumer version and not just the Enterprise. I'm curious how that's going to work if it's all through iTunes?

However. I think the lack of thinking that this iPad could replace the physical paper notepad with a handy addition of an Apple stylus and handwriting recognition built into iNotes would be very cool! I'm an architect and using the iPad as a sketching tool for field work and meeting would be excellent! Plus if the stylus could work in Acrobat files to make notes and draw things it would be such a huge addition to the architect's palette!

Hope someone writes an App for it, give SJ's hatred of the stylus, we'll probably never see Apple make one.
post #162 of 280
Someone was dismissing the iPad on a Facebook post as just a bunch of hype over a device that was not really a "gap filler", but one for a "niche market" only. I mostly disagree.

There WAS a lot of hype. However, the company's recent history of producing products which fill gaps quite well is pretty good right now. When they produce a product, it appears that whatever it is called... "gap filler" or "niche device", it tends to be accepted pretty well. So, I'm sure a lot of it was genuine interest in a potentially very useful and cost effective device.

I can see all sorts of applications where it would be preferred over both a laptop and an iPhone (or other PDA), especially with a compass and two different kinds of wireless options (WiFi and 3G network). There are quite a few companies that deal with mobile and/or remote data collection which could benefit. Larger retail locations, warehousing operations, and manufacturing locations could benefit from mobile data interaction with their servers. And all of those are very general uses in the business/commercial sectors. I'm sure there are numerous more specific business uses, as well as untold numbers of personal uses.

Anyway, I guess time, and actual sales will be the only way of really telling whether it will be a "hit" or not.
post #163 of 280
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Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post

It's funny. These new features (i.e. printing to a network, network file retreival) that's exactly what i've been complaining that the iPad doesn't have that i wish it did. Hopefully these features will make it to the consumer version and not just the Enterprise. I'm curious how that's going to work if it's all through iTunes?

However. I think the lack of thinking that this iPad could replace the physical paper notepad with a handy addition of an Apple stylus and handwriting recognition built into iNotes would be very cool! I'm an architect and using the iPad as a sketching tool for field work and meeting would be excellent! Plus if the stylus could work in Acrobat files to make notes and draw things it would be such a huge addition to the architect's palette!

Hope someone writes an App for it, give SJ's hatred of the stylus, we'll probably never see Apple make one.

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Originally Posted by macshark View Post

This is interesting. Just the inventory management use case of a WiFi connected iPad in a building or a 3G connected iPad outdoors may sell a million units, though a full-shift (10-hour) battery life would be critical for these kind of applications. Expect Apple stores to be one of the first adopters of this use case. One can stretch the industrial/commercial uses cases from the UPS/FedEx delivery person to a "dynamic menu" in high end restaurants.

This is what interests me the most. The possibilities for the iPad being used for any thing that required a quick note is huge. As stated, the restaurant industry could pass these out to all their waiters to take orders on. They could hit the print button through wifi for the chefs to view in an easy to view format instead of looking at bad handwriting. Or they could send the order to a large display screen such as a flat screen TV to have the cook glance at. Maybe that last part with the large display is to Star Trek like but you get my point.

So just look around. If you see someone at their job having to be on the go but they need to write down what they are doing and it's too cumbersome to try and hold a laptop to do it, then you will see a new business opportunity for the iPad. I can't see this being anything but a huge shift in the way businesses input data to larger systems.
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This is what interests me the most. The possibilities for the iPad being used for any thing that required a quick note is huge. As stated, the restaurant industry could pass these out to all their waiters to take orders on. They could hit the print button through wifi for the chefs to view in an easy to view format instead of looking at bad handwriting. Or they could send the order to a large display screen such as a flat screen TV to have the cook glance at. Maybe that last part with the large display is to Star Trek like but you get my point.

So just look around. If you see someone at their job having to be on the go but they need to write down what they are doing and it's too cumbersome to try and hold a laptop to do it, then you will see a new business opportunity for the iPad. I can't see this being anything but a huge shift in the way businesses input data to larger systems.

I agree totally! I just posted something similar...
post #165 of 280
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Originally Posted by crees! View Post

In the corporate world, especially government, everything is a security risk. We're have all iTunes installs on our Windows boxes auto-removed and told to use WiMP instead, due to security vulnerabilities.

that seems like an oxymoron. the biggest security risk would be windows there, wouldn't it?
post #166 of 280
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

The 'Pad is a toy. It is not suited for heavy-duty use. I think that emphasizing business use is a huge mistake. I was very surprised when iWork was emphasized, given that the device has dodgy input and output, and no ability to multitask.

Wow! For a self-professed Genius, I am astounded with such certainty in your proclaimations:

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*"...a toy"
*"...a huge mistake"
*"...dodgy input and output"
*"...iWork was emphasized:
* etc.,

especially when trying to evaluate the "demo" version of a product. Were you by any chance been invited to the presentation and as sarcastically pointed out by others, was privileged to have a hands on experience with the demo devices?

and when challenged, with your vision, all you can come up with were:

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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

I would like it to act as a USB host. I would like the ability to put files onto it directly from an external drive. I would like it to act as a portable external drive.

And WRT to multitasking, you are correct. The hardware is capable. The problem is not the hardware, or the iOS itself, but instead, Apple's policy of not allowing customers to get the most out of their devices.



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I would like it to act as a USB host.

Very ingenius indeed! The demo iPad presented is just the version, but a part of the mobile computing devices being developed by Apple, in competition with the other companies.

In a vision of a remote/wireless world, you really do not need "USB" (old technology) -- alternative remote connectivity is the solution enabled by existing and emerging technologies dependent on electromagnetic waves -- internet, wireless telephone, Wifi (and all its iterations), BlueTooth, infrared controls, and other electromagnetic waves reserved for these communication, etc.
post #167 of 280
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I agree totally! I just posted something similar...

Glad to see i'm not the only one who thought the Keynote was missing the whole element of the Enterprise application and implication of this device. What about the educational division. Kids don't have to buy notbooks anymore with this device handy. That is if you could use a stylus and iNote or even pages with handwriting recognition.

I'm mainly a PC user, due to my line of work and the software necessary that's not made for Macs, but being able to write with a stylus and draw on the iPad is a serious oversight on the part of SJ/Apple. It would revolutionize the Education segment and most businesses that use paper and pen.

let's hope for iPad 2.0 i guess! Or let's start an open letter to Apple!
post #168 of 280
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The icing on the cake would be the ability to print things to a networked printer occasionally.

To the cool dude quoted above....

yeah well, there's an app for that. In fact several and most have demo's to make sure you can print a test with your printer.

To the idiots quoted below...

Air Sharing is my favorite Ap and it makes using you iphone like a drive very easy. YOu can view whatever docs you want (word. pdf etc) For anyone who wants shared folders or to pull data off a network to their iphones or vice versa. Get it. THe iphone and Ipad will pop right up on the desktop of you computer like a network share.

I'm sure we'll see mods to current aps to ad hoc a USB drive to the pad. piece of cake. There's nothing you are asking for this thing can't do. Further, the "need" for a camera is a blind assumption. Honestly I never use Ichat. Would love to but it's awkward and no one really uses it anyway. Just use voice chat like a normal person and stop pretending we live in Star Trek.


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This needs an usb port without a card adapter. This needs to access users's files, movies, pictures from usb storage devices and must also write on them. That's one of the main use that people do of their netbooks. And also, it needed an isight from day 1 since people mainly buy netbooks for messaging purposes too.

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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

I would like it to act as a USB host. I would like the ability to put files onto it directly from an external drive. I would like it to act as a portable external drive.

And WRT to multitasking, you are correct. The hardware is capable. The problem is not the hardware, or the iOS itself, but instead, Apple's policy of not allowing customers to get the most out of their devices.
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post #169 of 280
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Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post

It's funny. These new features (i.e. printing to a network, network file retreival) that's exactly what i've been complaining that the iPad doesn't have that i wish it did. Hopefully these features will make it to the consumer version and not just the Enterprise. I'm curious how that's going to work if it's all through iTunes?

However. I think the lack of thinking that this iPad could replace the physical paper notepad with a handy addition of an Apple stylus and handwriting recognition built into iNotes would be very cool! I'm an architect and using the iPad as a sketching tool for field work and meeting would be excellent! Plus if the stylus could work in Acrobat files to make notes and draw things it would be such a huge addition to the architect's palette!

Hope someone writes an App for it, give SJ's hatred of the stylus, we'll probably never see Apple make one.

See above. Search the app store a little there are aps for all that you have asked for...
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post #170 of 280
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Originally Posted by crees! View Post

In the corporate world, especially government, everything is a security risk. We're have all iTunes installs on our Windows boxes auto-removed and told to use WiMP instead, due to security vulnerabilities.

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that seems like an oxymoron. the biggest security risk would be windows there, wouldn't it?

So... they were told to use WiMP because they wanted security vulnerabilities? <grin>

Windoze IS getting better... sort of... It is starting to look and behave a little more like Mac OS X... 10.2 or 10.3??? LOL! The problem with most anti-virus software on Windoze is that it completely fails to remove all of the viruses. Just check for yourself! Run the AV software and then examine the computer. You'll see for yourself. Windoze is still there! See? it missed removing the virus!

Anyway, I can see so many uses for a device like the iPad. It doesn't take much creativity to come up with hundreds or more good business uses for a lower-than-laptop costing device like that.
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[QUOTE=iGenius;1561071]I would like the ability to put files onto it directly from an external drive."

Again, it is possible to have any of the aforementioned "wireless technologies" to achieve this. I am sure others who are more familiar with existing technolgies may be able to help you learn more about them, if you wish to become more familiar with them.




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I would like it to act as a portable external drive.

What a vision! What sort of files or applications do you want to carry around with you, for a short time, that will require more than 64Gb. [The latter is the initial offering of the high end of this portable device? In a year or two, we could not pre predict where flash memory might have attained. In comparison, my current 6yo G4 iBook computer only has 20Gb max disk storage and I have literally hundreds of thousands of files.]

"Bulk Storage" goes against the grain of server-portable devices in Enterprise ecosystems. Or for that matter, the direction towards cloud computing with respect to the multitude devices that can connect to the main servers.

In fact, it is even possible that in a few years mobile storage may not even be needed because of the ubiquity in internet or remote connectivity in conjunction with cloud computing. Storage redundancy may be needed only as security precautions, from hacking (a very great threat) or a security from natural (earthquake, flooding, etc.) or manmade calamities (twin towers during 9/11).


Mobile devices are meant to be used to store only those files that are intended to be dealt with transiently -- the unfinished project proposal that you want to bring outside the office, your contacts, etc. In fact, with proper security, you do not even have to store them, just connect remotely to the main servers.




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... Apple's policy of not allowing customers to get the most out of their devices...

I am sure you heard of all those "140,000" Apple Apps even before the actual iPad is even available for mass consumption that you may tap initially. And more to come, with the introduction of "larger devices" like the iPad. And, if there is not enough there, if you are tech savvy, you may create your own -- submit your creation to be shared with others, and if not approved by the close system of Apple Apps, share your creation with the increasing number of Apple Apps for those who are willing to risk jailbroken Apple devices.

And of course, the iPad is more than just about Apple Apps.

Whether the iPad can become an Enterprise mobile device have yet to be established but cannot be proclaimed to be capable or incapable of being one at this stage. If I am not mistaken, the competing VHS/VCR technologies, has demonstrated that the more "advanced" of competing technologies may not always become the universal standard.

On the other hand, the current standards may need to be toppled or replaced at some point because newer converging technologies may no longer be compatible with established historical standards.

Thus, a prudent person would not want to be immoralized by absolute proclamations like that by Ballmer about the iPhone, or a more arrogant proclamation about the fate a company, like the one made by Micheal Dell. It may haunt you to your grave, or make a mockery of your "name" -- "I Genius". Indeed.
post #172 of 280
I really hope some of the added features include webcam, multitouch and flash. If they do, then I'll create my own bleeding company to get one
post #173 of 280
As more of the functionality of the iPad is revealed over the next few months, I'm looking forward to the posts that claim Apple "caved" in the face of withering criticism from internet whiners and "rushed" to put that functionality in.

Because it's really fun to have a lot of deeply uniformed opinions about what a device you've never seen can and cannot do, then imagine that the world dances to your tune.

Wait, did I say "fun"? I meant "For the love of God, STFU."
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post #174 of 280
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Yeah. To imagine that it is as capable as a netbook will lead to disappointment.

If one conceives of it as a big iPhone without the phone it is perfect in every way.

As capable as what? A netbook with a decent a battery life on an arm chip and no software or a netbook with crappy battery life and an OS designed neither for touch or mobil computing in general. Have fun with that.


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IMO, it is fairly ugly. The bezel is MUCH wider than it should be.

And there's no new software, just a new screen size for the same old crippled OS.

But I hope that I am truly myopic, and that developers get all excited about a 4:3 medium-sized screen. I hope you are right. But small screened real computers have existed for years, so I don't see the innovative nature of the device.


As I'm sure other's have said... I would never want you designing products I use. The bezel must be there for "ergonomics". YOu are clueless; how else would you propose to hold the thing?

Regarding no new software; you are mistaken We did see tablet specific software being used including productivity, games and if I'm not mistaken drawing. There will be a separate store.

Further calling an OS as amazingly agile, successful and capable as Iphone OS as crippled is probably the dumbest thing anyone on this forum has said.

Further, you are being myopic. The screen isn't small, it just "quadrupled" in size. This will make tablet specific APS easier to use and more"ergonomic" than using the same ap on a 4" screen with bigger buttons and more room for drawing, typing or laying things out. It will also give devs the ability to create new GUI's for things like instrument synthesizers, music mixers and or application controllers with nice large life-size buttons and keys. Can't do that on the iphone very well. Some things will just work better on a 10" tablet without doing anything else but making the device bigger.
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I'm sure we'll see mods to current aps to ad hoc a USB drive to the pad. piece of cake. There's nothing you are asking for this thing can't do.

That is apparently already in the SDK. People found it the same day that the iPad was introduced. iGenius just doesn't have a clue. Although I haven't seen confirmation that you can throw anything into that directory yet, hopefully more information comes soon.

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File Sharing. A shared file directory is provided that will mount on your Mac or PC. This is presumably how files such as iWork documents will be transferred to and from the iPad. iPad applications will be able to access this shared directory.

I also implore people to make use of their ignore lists... Mine has expanded a lot in the last couple days and my forum experience is much improved, but I still have to wade through all the posts with people quoting iGenius and others.
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Originally Posted by caljomac View Post

I really hope some of the added features include webcam, multitouch and flash. If they do, then I'll create my own bleeding company to get one

Why is multi touch in your list? Is there something I don't get. The pad is inherently multi touch...
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IMO, it is fairly ugly. The bezel is MUCH wider than it should be.

And there's no new software, just a new screen size for the same old crippled OS.

Goodbye troll.

The ignore list on this forum is a Godsend.
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

As more of the functionality of the iPad is revealed over the next few months, I'm looking forward to the posts that claim Apple "caved" in the face of withering criticism from internet whiners and "rushed" to put that functionality in.

Don't forget the last time Apple did an iPhone update and a certain poster here claimed Apple added it because they complained about it... on AppleInsider forums nonetheless.

PS: Nice call on the iPad's keyboard and dock.


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Why is multi touch in your list? Is there something I don't get. The pad is inherently multi touch...

That guy makes a unique post per thread, but it only make partial sense. He also posts the same image link to an emoticon. He's not advertising nor does he engage in conversation. He doesn't even seem to have an agenda of disinformation like MactTripper, Teckstud and Extrememskater. It's quite unusual.
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Yup, a VGA adapter will be available, this will no doubt plug into the dock connector and have a VGA on the other end, other projectors use RGB, S-Video etc. etc., they can't all be included on every device, so just buy the right connector for the job - no issue there. The abillity to use a thumb drive - just do it - again a USB adapter/SD Card adapter is already available.

Why not just connect to this thing wirelessly and drop the file onto it, or vice versa? I wouldn't have a device in my office that didn't have wireless connectivity...

As far as business not working to limitations - it's been working to the limitations of windows for years.

In the business environment, I see the only Window's limitation is stability and that is fairly infrequent. I have been running the same install of XP for 4 years on the machine I type this (even changed out the hardware and just put this drive into the new hardware). That doesn't mean Macs are any less. They both have their strengths and right now, I believe windows strength on a computer starts, and for the most part, stops at the corporate door.

VGA adapters and USB adapters will help the iPad transition. For that matter, Word and Powerpoint support will help. I could also connect wirelessly in the office to get files that will help. But, I'll still keep my brick (laptop), and not because I wouldn't love to replace it with a ipad. Let me explain. Sometimes I go through the drive thru at Mcdonald's, not because I think they have better burgers than the place across from the office, but because it is easy. It is the same with a laptop, the brick is easy. It works with anything usb making file transfers very easy, runs all the programs we use without introducing conversion issues (typically formatting when going from MSOffice to anything else), connects to the printer in my hotel room, works at any Kinkos on the planet, runs GotoMeeting, Bombgar and WebEx. Really a long way of saying it is easy for now.

I think Apple will find a way to change that, but I don't think iPad v1 is going to do it. It is enough to consider buying one for home though!
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Nobody prints anymore. You are the only person who would want that. It is a better product because it will not print.

FOR ME.

First time I head that I was the only person to do this or that...surely there might be two of us at least...... The title of the article mentions "business users". It nice to know that in your opinion "nobody prints anymore", even in a business environment.
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First time I head that I was the only persone to do this or that...surely there might be two of us at least...... The title of the article mentions "business users". It nice to know that in your opinion "nobody prints anymore", even in a business environment.

Already printed and filed under 'A' for asshat.
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I'm mainly a PC user, due to my line of work and the software necessary that's not made for Macs, but being able to write with a stylus and draw on the iPad is a serious oversight on the part of SJ/Apple. It would revolutionize the Education segment and most businesses that use paper and pen.

There was a time, I have to write with a pen to capture my thoughts and then type them. While I never became a touched typist, the more I use the computer. the less I depended on the pen.

Whether it is good or bad, the current generation is computer centric, initially with a physical keyboard, and perhaps later on a virtual keyboard. Technology wise, a virtual keyboard is more versatile in a multi-lingual global village, and more practical in a technological settings. Think of all those symbols used in science and technology for example.

But, to go back to your suggestion in regard an omission, there might already be an App for that. Or, it can be anpther App that can be developed, rather than hardware revision.. The "Brushes" is an App, that may be intended for art, but with the right creator, can be used as a model to create for the writing tech you have in mind, maybe even without revision of the hardware. At the same time, improvement in the resolution of the pixelation of the multi-touch surface, may be a hardware technology advancement of the concept you have in mind.

Even with current limitations however, I am not an expert on it, but very simple mobile devices are being used now to developed learning tools for younger students (pre K and up). A friend of mind downloads them regularly.
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Already printed and filed under 'A' for asshat.

in plain english?....
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in plain english?....

Joking that I printed out and filed iGenius' comment.
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It's also pretty easy to use the clock on the YouTube video to determine the time.

Not as easy as you would think, especially if you want to know "exactly". That's why I timed it, using the YT timeline you have to work it out.
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Nope. All websites are the set. The sites that can be optimally accessed by the 'Pad are the subset. ...

I wouldn't belabour this point if I were you.

While it's true that you are more versed in wordplay than the others and are using the term correctly in a technical sense, the colloquial usage has always been to refer to things as "subsets" when they are small and insignificant. It's more proper therefore to refer to (minority) Flash sites as the subset and not the (majority) non-Flash sites as the subset.

Of course you are right that both are "subsets," but almost no one would ever use the term that way, and your'e just wasting a lot of ink and pixels messing with these guys over a meaningless point.
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Not as easy as you would think, especially if you want to know "exactly". That's why I timed it, using the YT timeline you have to work it out.

I concede to your point.
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Nobody prints anymore. You are the only person who would want that. It is a better product because it will not print.

FOR ME.


Are you for real? How long have you been using computer devices and accessories, and the internet?

What sort of business are you in? I had to enter into legal agreements in relation to business, and all the documents had to be printed. I have to send by FAX, pdf documents because the other parties intend to copy physical (meaning printed) as opposed to electronic files of the contracts. Some had to be sent by snail mail (again printed) because they want the original documents.

My financial transactions, where signatures also are required, they need original printed documents.

Proclamations like "NOBODY" therefore discloses your grasp of the current real; world.

Have you ever heard of the term: "technology obsolescence" or something like that? Or in the world of massive hacking, how ephemeral electronic data because they can be easily destroyed in a split second?

Next time you will tell us, all libraries will become virtual.

It is true that electronic documents are becoming more in vogue. But, here in the US, and other parts of the world that I visited, paper documents are still the srandard. "Staples" and other office supplies stores sell paper in bulk, at a very cheap price, and still make a profit, because there is so much demand.


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FOR ME.

Don't we all wish the world behaves always like we view it. But, in any case, if you are in a "printless: universe, I do hope you keep lots and lots of electronic backups, and update your backups religiously.
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It's funny. These new features (i.e. printing to a network, network file retreival) that's exactly what i've been complaining that the iPad doesn't have that i wish it did. Hopefully these features will make it to the consumer version and not just the Enterprise. I'm curious how that's going to work if it's all through iTunes?

However. I think the lack of thinking that this iPad could replace the physical paper notepad with a handy addition of an Apple stylus and handwriting recognition built into iNotes would be very cool! I'm an architect and using the iPad as a sketching tool for field work and meeting would be excellent! Plus if the stylus could work in Acrobat files to make notes and draw things it would be such a huge addition to the architect's palette!

Hope someone writes an App for it, give SJ's hatred of the stylus, we'll probably never see Apple make one.

Where did you see that it didn't. You can certainly you can import iWork '09 and Microsoft Office documents and send them back. And the fact that it Apple built iWork '10 for the iPad, one must be braindead to think that you couldn't print to a network printer.

And for sketching, just a peak at the new Brushes on the iPad at the 42 minute mark is amazing.
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Originally Posted by RCO3 View Post

For two frickin' YEARS I've seen you post the same thing over and over and over - Apple's tablet MUST have the ability to present NATIVE Keynote files and connect to a projector. It MUST.

Well, now it does, and all you can say is that it has to be PowerPoint. MAKE UP YOUR DAMN MIND! Hey, question for you - do you recall which division of Apple is responsible for porting Office to the iPad?

Well, if it wants to expand outside of Mac-centric 5% of the world wide IT market, iPad does need to flirt - and shamelessly! - with Windows environment.

Think of it. iPod would be nowhere near to current domination without fully functional (albeit crappy) iTunes for Windows. Likewise iPhone - of 8 individuals I know owning iPhone, all of them are syncing it with Outlook, half of them with Exchange (meaning they are using iPhone as their work phone). Without Windows connection, I doubt any of them would have iPhone - me and my wife included.
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I wouldn't belabour this point if I were you.

While it's true that you are more versed in wordplay than the others and are using the term correctly in a technical sense, the colloquial usage has always been to refer to things as "subsets" when they are small and insignificant. It's more proper therefore to refer to (minority) Flash sites as the subset and not the (majority) non-Flash sites as the subset.

Of course you are right that both are "subsets," but almost no one would ever use the term that way, and your'e just wasting a lot of ink and pixels messing with these guys over a meaningless point.

You concede too quickly. What may be universal or standard (the predominant)today may be obsolete tomorrow. And what may be denighrated as a subset or what is taken as a minority today may become the standard tomorrow.

Just take a few examples of the evolution of technologies.

Once horses and horse/mule driven carts were the most prevalent mode of transportation, then the "horseless car" replaced them. The same thing happens in internet and mobile computing.

Cases in point, once IBM was king. Have you ever heard of Wang Computer? Compaq? or Digital Computer? AOL was once the 800-pound gorilla. Yahoo was once the darling. Microsoft (is it still perceived as the prime mover)? Google was not even around a few years ago. Facebook, etc. Each became predominant withe the technologies they invented, or became popular for their marketing savvy

10 Years, 20 Years from now we would not recognize the landscape and the predominant internet and computing technologies.

Arguments that fall back on standards, or the most predominant are basically flawed.

There is only the "constancy" of change -- especially when it comes to technology.
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Nobody prints anymore ? I get it now - you come from the future - THIS future...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0yQunhOaU0

where nobody reads either...

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Who says it won't print? It has blue tooth - one of my printers here is bluetooth, it has also has a USB adapter. No one has said it won't print, unless I'm missing something?

Can't remember the last time i printed anything, or faxed anything for that matter. File > PDF > Email delivery. Simples.

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I disagree, you need print capability, presentation handouts, specifications, etc. until the whole world has gone digital. Then you'll just need a way to easily and instantly share the digital items on your device with those around you without giving them full access... Until then, business rolls on with printers!

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First time I head that I was the only person to do this or that...surely there might be two of us at least...... The title of the article mentions "business users". It nice to know that in your opinion "nobody prints anymore", even in a business environment.

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Are you for real? How long have you been using computer devices and accessories, and the internet?

What sort of business are you in? I had to enter into legal agreements in relation to business, and all the documents had to be printed. I have to send by FAX, pdf documents because the other parties intend to copy physical (meaning printed) as opposed to electronic files of the contracts. Some had to be sent by snail mail (again printed) because they want the original documents.

My financial transactions, where signatures also are required, they need original printed documents.

Proclamations like "NOBODY" therefore discloses your grasp of the current real; world.

Have you ever heard of the term: "technology obsolescence" or something like that? Or in the world of massive hacking, how ephemeral electronic data because they can be easily destroyed in a split second?

Next time you will tell us, all libraries will become virtual.

It is true that electronic documents are becoming more in vogue. But, here in the US, and other parts of the world that I visited, paper documents are still the srandard. "Staples" and other office supplies stores sell paper in bulk, at a very cheap price, and still make a profit, because there is so much demand.




Don't we all wish the world behaves always like we view it. But, in any case, if you are in a "printless: universe, I do hope you keep lots and lots of electronic backups, and update your backups religiously.

Heh. He who lives by the snarky sarcasm dies by the snarky sarcasm.
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Well, if it wants to expand outside of Mac-centric 5% of the world wide IT market, iPad does need to flirt - and shamelessly! - with Windows environment.

Think of it. iPod would be nowhere near to current domination without fully functional (albeit crappy) iTunes for Windows. Likewise iPhone - of 8 individuals I know owning iPhone, all of them are syncing it with Outlook, half of them with Exchange (meaning they are using iPhone as their work phone). Without Windows connection, I doubt any of them would have iPhone - me and my wife included.

No, it doesn't. You don't achieve acceptance by dumbing down. You continue to excel.

Apple is a market leader - not on something as bland as units sold, but in terms of brand recognition, public perception of being an innovator and as an aspiration brand. They're earning plenty of money, getting plenty of press and selling plenty of units.

You're suggesting that Apple wants to be bigger than Microsoft, I really don't think this is the case. They want to make money - they are making plenty. If people don't buy a mac because they want to run powerpoint, then that's not the user Apple wanted. Remember "Think Different"? Maybe it's time for a return to that old marketing slogan.
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Where did you see that it didn't. You can certainly you can import iWork '09 and Microsoft Office documents and send them back. And the fact that it Apple built iWork '10 for the iPad, one must be braindead to think that you couldn't print to a network printer.

And for sketching, just a peak at the new Brushes on the iPad at the 42 minute mark is amazing.

Brushes is nice if you're a graphic designer or an artist. But architects, engineers and drafting based professions need precise line work, which would require an App i've never seen or a stylus based app that is yet to be created. WE work with pens and paper. much more technically based drawing than brushes does.

As for import/exporting and printing documents into iWork, i'm not sure how that works. it must be some kind of "Finder" app that i have yet to see. Unless you mean through email or something? But how anoying that would be in an office setting if you had to email your iPad documents to upload to iWork. I guess i'll just have to read up on it. I'm just going off what i saw in the Keynote. And i wasn't specifically talking about printing from iWork. i didn't see a print button/icon in the Safari App. either.

No need for names (i.e. "Braindead"). Your opinion looses its relivence when you call people names.
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You're suggesting that Apple wants to be bigger than Microsoft, I really don't think this is the case.

If Apple wanted to compete with MS' OS marketshare it wouldn't tie every OS sale to a device.

On a semi-unlated topic I think Jobs wants Apple to be bigger (ie: valuation) than MS before retiring.
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Brushes is nice if you're a graphic designer or an artist. But architects, engineers and drafting based professions need precise line work, which would require an App i've never seen or a stylus based app that is yet to be created. WE work with pens and paper. much more technically based drawing than brushes does.

As for import/exporting and printing documents into iWork, i'm not sure how that works. it must be some kind of "Finder" app that i have yet to see. Unless you mean through email or something? But how anoying that would be in an office setting if you had to email your iPad documents to upload to iWork. I guess i'll just have to read up on it. I'm just going off what i saw in the Keynote. And i wasn't specifically talking about printing from iWork. i didn't see a print button/icon in the Safari App. either.

No need for names (i.e. "Braindead"). Your opinion looses its relivence when you call people names.

Although Apple was definitely vague on the topic, I've seen several seemingly informed sources around the web saying that file handling is very well thought out and not an issue.
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Don't forget the last time Apple did an iPhone update and a certain poster here claimed Apple added it because they complained about it... on AppleInsider forums nonetheless.

and Windows 7 was HIS idea...
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What a vision! What sort of files or applications do you want to carry around with you, for a short time, that will require more than 64Gb. [The latter is the initial offering of the high end of this portable device? In a year or two, we could not pre predict where flash memory might have attained. In comparison, my current 6yo G4 iBook computer only has 20Gb max disk storage and I have literally hundreds of thousands of files.]

"Bulk Storage" goes against the grain of server-portable devices in Enterprise ecosystems. Or for that matter, the direction towards cloud computing with respect to the multitude devices that can connect to the main servers.

In fact, it is even possible that in a few years mobile storage may not even be needed because of the ubiquity in internet or remote connectivity in conjunction with cloud computing.

Portable bulk storage does go against the grain enterprise computing where everything is kept on corporate servers, but I'm sure a lot of individuals will be buying this thing, people who don't have everything stored on a remote server. I accept that cloud storage will grow, but WiFi doesn't work anywhere on my commute and for many people in big cities *cough* New York *cough* 3G data service is anything but reliable. Subway tunnels also tend to lack wireless coverage too making local storage of entertainment media essential.

Speaking of such media, my iTunes library won't fit on a 64GB device so I'd have to muck around with playlists, a time consuming activity I hate. That explains why I have no music at all on my iPod touch. It's reserved for apps, podcasts and photos. I have an old iPod shuffle I can quickly load with a random bunch songs if I need music on the go.

I can't be alone either. I've started noticing people on the train tucking away their iPhones and pulling out iPod shuffles to listen to music on their way home.
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Yeah. To imagine that it is as capable as a netbook will lead to disappointment.

If one conceives of it as a big iPhone without the phone it is perfect in every way.

What you fail to comprehend is that this does the things it is designed to do way better than a netbook (media consumption of all kinds) and does light input well enough for the rest of the typical use cases (facebook/twitter/email). The majority of netbook users do that all the time (all the ones I know do) and this will be superior to their netbooks 90% of the times they use it. Being a big iPhone is a massive innovation in itself since the itouch/iPhone is too small for many users and users that the iPad will be perfect for. Multi-tasking would be nice but is kind of a red-herring since the majority of the unsophisticated users will not care and in most cases (the minority of pandora users notwithstanding) the notification and instant save state works fine.

The market for the iPad is way bigger than that for real netbook users (people who want to use it as a laptop). There has been zero software innovation for netbooks since there is no innovation in the thing to begin with. the iPad will drive immense software innovation for the Touch UI at a large screen size. Things we can't even imagine yet but some developer has had a flash of inspiration somewhere.

You being unimpressed is entirely irrelevant to the market success of this device which Apple has spent years researching and targeting and in a market it knows infinitely better than you. You not wanting one is not an interesting statistic.
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This needs an usb port without a card adapter. This needs to access users's files, movies, pictures from usb storage devices and must also write on them. That's one of the main use that people do of their netbooks. And also, it needed an isight from day 1 since people mainly buy netbooks for messaging purposes too.

I agree about the USB port. What is it with Apple and their disdain for IO?

They won't even let developer's use the 30 pin port to create an external hardware USB path.

Not sold on the need for a camera or iSight, although it would be a cool way to have video telecons. Maybe in a future higher end model...

Here's hoping multiple windows can be open simultaneously and referenced in order to move data from an Excel cost worksheet to a Word doc where we would be creating a quote or proposal, as an example.

It would be great if the print engine could also spool out PDF's, like OS X does. That's a very big deal for business users.

I have tried to use Keynote, it's very nice but everyone I must communicate with has PowerPoint. So the file type to share is the .ppt; I don't like it anymore than anyone else here but that's just the way it is. I've exported from Keynote to PowerPoint but it almost always gets hosed in some fashion or form. It doesn't "just work." Rather than hamstringing iPad early on, why not just support Excel, Word & PowerPoint? It wouldn't need to be full gesture support, just use the keypad or keyboard for composition, and a finger as a mouse/pointing device. Make it easy on the business customer.

There are a lot of hurdles and questions that still have to be rung out. It looks to me to be a nifty, good looking device that's cleverly crafted to be able to dig into people's wallets, specifically targeting them for media sales.
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