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Does the author of this article know how difficult it is to actually point with a laser printer? I mean, those things are heavy man!
EDIT: I misread, it's virtual. That would be fine.

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Originally Posted by RCO3 View Post

Has it escaped your notice that this is not a netbook? Perhaps the lack of keyboard is a clue?

Yeah. To imagine that it is as capable as a netbook will lead to disappointment.

If one conceives of it as a big iPhone without the phone it is perfect in every way.
post #43 of 280
This is exactly what I've been saying. The Apple Tablet (iPad) needs to cater to the business crowd if it is to succeed. Glad to see Apple agrees. The following article expresses similar thoughts and then some:

http://www.alltabletnews.com/2010/01...ess-customers/
post #44 of 280
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Yes.

Hardware-wise, aside fromt he beauty of its design, it's not really a game-changer. It's a slightly reworked iPod Touch. Which in and of itself a successful design.

Software-wise, it's a TOTAL game-changer. Developers will make this thing shine.

And did I mention it looks absolutely gorgeous?

IMO, it is fairly ugly. The bezel is MUCH wider than it should be.

And there's no new software, just a new screen size for the same old crippled OS.

But I hope that I am truly myopic, and that developers get all excited about a 4:3 medium-sized screen. I hope you are right. But small screened real computers have existed for years, so I don't see the innovative nature of the device.
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Interesting article. It doesn't have a camera (which you would expect if they were targeting it at kids/teenagers) but it does have iWork. Maybe they are sick of people treating their hard work as toys.

They tried that many years ago, positioning the Mac as a real business computer. They did it at the dawn of "multi-media" computers and the rise of the home computer user. They lost in both market segments.

I guess history will repeat itself if that truly is their strategy.
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

The 'Pad is a toy. It is not suited for heavy-duty use. I think that emphasizing business use is a huge mistake. I was very surprised when iWork was emphasized, given that the device has dodgy input and output, and no ability to multitask.

you don't even know what multi task means

time to shut up and learn about a product your whing about

explain exactly asshole what mutli tasking things you would do on the ipad

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post #47 of 280
As soon as a large-screen version of Citrix is available, this will fit right into the corporate environment - plus for bedside care in hospitals, carrying around a warehouse, etc.
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I have heard a rumor (someone I know supposedly saw it first hand in his hospital) that there is a company testing iPads as data entry devices for an electronic health record. If true, and if actually a good product, unlike most EHRs, this could be a huge market that is currently devoid of a good solution.

I also know a guy who developed an app that is essentially a questionnaire (already validated in the literature but difficult to score) which gets scored on the fly for a 'vision related depression score.' I do not think he has had many takers as the iPhone, for which the app is written, is just too small device for patient data self entry - if people are depressed bc their vision they are usually seeing very poorly... The iPad changes the equation for his and similar apps. the iPad is a perfect device for administering questionnaires to patients, who knows who else, with on the fly interpretation/scoring of the results.

Anyway, I see lots of niche markets for the iPad that individually are only so big, but collectively are a huge opportunity for both app developers and the AAPL investors...
post #49 of 280
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

And from what high authority are you carrying the message from?

You are not the messenger. You profess to be the authority.

Your thinking is defective. One need not cite authority for opinions. One might cite authority for facts, but those are a different animal.

Just for fun, Google up the phrase "argument from authority" so that you'll get some insight into what I'm talking about. But don't blindly believe the
website, no matter how authoritative you believe it to be. Instead, evaluate the message and try to figure out the meaning. Maybe then you'll understand your mistake.
post #50 of 280
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Originally Posted by palple View Post

This needs an usb port without a card adapter. This needs to access users's files, movies, pictures from usb storage devices and must also write on them. That's one of the main use that people do of their netbooks. And also, it needed an isight from day 1 since people mainly buy netbooks for messaging purposes too.

It has a USB port without a card adapter.

Suggest you visit Apple's iPad site.

How anybody would think that you couldn't access or write to external files boggles the mind.
post #51 of 280
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

The least you could do "Prince" is time the thing yourself, before claiming under 15 seconds. The iPhone has a stopwatch you know.

16.5 seconds. I timed it.

It's also pretty easy to use the clock on the YouTube video to determine the time.
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post #52 of 280
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Originally Posted by Motlee View Post

I think by projecting your perceived shortcomings onto all of us in regards to what the iPhone OS can and can't do is where most of these arguments fail.

Are you giving some variant of Canned Answer No. 489: Nobody else cares? If not, I don't understand your statement. If so, I'd be surprised if you were right.


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Originally Posted by Motlee View Post

Maybe you don't get the most out of YOUR Apple devices, but I do, in which case I wonder why you or anyone else on here bashing Apple products continues to buy them.

Yeah? You listen to Pandora or the other 100 music apps while surfing the web? Your Apple device is capable of it. Are you sure that you are getting the most out of the device?

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I am absolutely positive that there are other products that may fully meet all of your porn-watching needs (flash).

Cool. Two canned answers in one sentence! "Nobody else cares. You are a deviant in your desires."
post #53 of 280
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Originally Posted by Traqqer7777 View Post

This is exactly what I've been saying. The Apple Tablet (iPad) needs to cater to the business crowd if it is to succeed. Glad to see Apple agrees. The following article expresses similar thoughts and then some:

http://www.alltabletnews.com/2010/01...ess-customers/

I disagree, this is a home device for those who don't want a computer in the living room, but do wanna browse, listen to music and check their email while reading the odd article.

It will have a niche market in business, that it's not aimed squarely at the business market is it's main strength in marketing, and why all others have failed.
post #54 of 280
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

So how do you like yours? I'm still waiting to get mine.

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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Your thinking is defective. One need not cite authority for opinions. One might cite authority for facts, but those are a different animal.

Just for fun, Google up the phrase "argument from authority" so that you'll get some insight into what I'm talking about. But don't blindly believe the
website, no matter how authoritative you believe it to be. Instead, evaluate the message and try to figure out the meaning. Maybe then you'll understand your mistake.

Which by applying your logic laterally means we should all at least try the iPad hands-on before we dismiss it as unsuitable? As you are clearly trying to get people to do.

People can at least buy it on the Apple 14 day money back return and make their mind up at home right? Your not suggesting that business and home users shouldn't even try it - risk free are you ?
post #56 of 280
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Originally Posted by surferfromuk View Post

Have you ever thought about the MILLIONS of execs who currently have laptops who may better enjoy a Desktop and an iPad - or even those who have laptops and don't want to take them on long trips or home every night?

Are you claiming that this device is suitable as a laptop replacement? That is a novel claim. Most everyone else seems to deny it.
post #57 of 280
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

IMO, it is fairly ugly. The bezel is MUCH wider than it should be.

And there's no new software, just a new screen size for the same old crippled OS.

But I hope that I am truly myopic, and that developers get all excited about a 4:3 medium-sized screen. I hope you are right. But small screened real computers have existed for years, so I don't see the innovative nature of the device.

Oh dear.

How would you hold it in the cup of your hand without obscuring the screen if the bezel was any smaller?

It has a brand new version of iLife, and a new OS, with version 4 obviously on the way.

I'm sorry you don't see the innovative nature of a device designed for a very focussed set of tasks that starts up in 16 seconds and has a ten hour battery life, weight one and a half pounds, will drop into your man bag, is smaller than a laptop and replaces the laptop/netbook for those that don't need the additional functionality, all for a price $10 more than the kindle.
post #58 of 280
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IMO, it is fairly ugly. The bezel is MUCH wider than it should be.

You have to be able to hold the device comfortably without tapping onto touch-enabled areas and inadvertently activating something. You don't hold the device with your fingertips. This isn't an iPhone. The bezel area seems just right for a comfortable grip.
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Are you claiming that this device is suitable as a laptop replacement? That is a novel claim. Most everyone else seems to deny it.

Nope, that isn't what he's claiming. He's suggesting that it's a great device for those who don't need a laptop and carry it around everywhere only to check email and do the occasional bit of surfing. Some people don't need a laptop on the road, but could with being in touch online.
post #60 of 280
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Why not consider the message, and not the messenger?

Because in this case, the message is silly.

I run a software development company. In the office, we have all of the tech we need to execute our work. Out of the office, we use ultralight portables (primarily MB Airs). We use them because they're the best combination of form factor and functionality in an OS X environment. That's worth the extra cost to us. We use them for:

1. Presentations (via Keynote)
2. Doc workup and printing (via Pages)
3. Email
4. Web
5. Various media playing
6. Remote server admin

So to us, the iPad looks like a possible replacement for our Airs, at a far more attractive price. As long as the OS allows document export (to PDF, PPT, DOC), wireless printing, VPN and VOIP (which through various apps, it does), it will be extremely useful to us.

The one remaining issue, for us, is the virtual keyboard. If this really works, we'll be completely sold. If not, and we have to tote a BT keyboard around (or the kb dock), it'll be harder to swallow. But that's the only potential sticking point.

And the e-reader looks excellent, which is another plus for road warriors, which we are. All in all, an extremely promising business package.

Edit: And we don't care about Flash; in fact, all of our portables use ClickToFlash to get rid of it. Most of the substantive web is available without it, and giving up Hulu isn't exactly a deal-breaker. For sites that rely on it, which aren't terribly important in the scheme of things (to us, anyway), we're happy to wait on HTML5.
post #61 of 280
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

They tried that many years ago, positioning the Mac as a real business computer. They did it at the dawn of "multi-media" computers and the rise of the home computer user. They lost in both market segments.

I guess history will repeat itself if that truly is their strategy.

This isn't being marketed at kids/teenagers - the macbook, iPod Touch and iPhone are for that sector. This is for those who just wanna read and browse on the couch, it's too big for a teenager to fit in a pocket, so useless for them, most males don't carry a bag, and teenage girls prefer designer handbags, again a fail for them.

yes, Apple - fail after fail. A growing share of the OS, laptop and desktop market, complete dominance in smartphones and music players, a brand that most young people aspire to own (buy a teenager a zune when they've asked for an iPod and duck on christmas morning!). They're running at increasing profit and have redefined the platform of mobile computing. The 'pad really isn't anything 'new', nor was the iPod, nor the iPhone - apple know their market place and they know how to market a product, redefine a market place and leave others to emulate and to play catch up. Anyone who denies this is crazy.
post #62 of 280
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

1) As you could see in the keynote, presenters had a line-out from the iPad to the projector.

As for the rest, they are confirmed/supported in this article itself, the iPad web site on features, specs, iPad video, etc., including printing to a network printer via Wi-Fi.

Exchange support is suspiciously missing in any of the talk about Mail. They do not call out Activesync like they do on the iPhone.
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It's meant to do everything the Kindle does, plus a helluva lot more (we'll be approaching - but not quite getting to - laptop replacement territory), and look gorgeous in the process, for a bit more money.

That's an extremely solid starting-position. Developers will make this thing indispensable.
post #64 of 280
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Originally Posted by RCO3 View Post

Has it escaped your notice that this is not a netbook? Perhaps the lack of keyboard is a clue?

Netbooks are one of the devices that the iPad is intended to replace, but he is mixing up need and want. A webcam isn't needed, some individuals may want it and some may even "need" it but the iPad doesn't need it to sell well. Most people complaining about it are just bashing the iPad for things it doesn't have since that is easy to do. Only Apple products are evaluated by what they don't have instead of what they have.

For instance, one of the biggest complaints about the iPod touch was the inability to drag and drop files onto the iPod touch from a computer, but now that the iPad has that (to what extent isn't really known at this point), there is nary a peep. Well except for the occasional misinformed poster complaining about not being able to do that on the iPad.

If I were someone who wanted a webcam, I would want to webcam to face me regardless of how I held the iPad, not shooting the ceiling if I lay it flat on a table. Maybe a third party, adjustable webcam connected through the dock connector would be a better fit anyway.
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Microsoft Office inside is what is needed. Compatible with Mac, of course. And starting with PowerPoint for presentations. The standard is PowerPoint, not Keynote, even being the former much better and intuitive that the latter. Those are the real facts!

Your sentence if fairly mangled but if yo are saying PowerPoint is better than Keynote you are wrong on the facts. All objective reviews come down on the Keynote software being superior to PowerPoint and have for many revisions now.
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

The 'Pad is a toy. It is not suited for heavy-duty use. I think that emphasizing business use is a huge mistake. I was very surprised when iWork was emphasized, given that the device has dodgy input and output, and no ability to multitask.

The 'Pad is not a toy. It is suited for heavy-duty use. I think that emphasizing business use is a smart move. I wasn't surprised when iWork was emphasized, given that the device has very adequate input and output, and the inability to multitask doesn't seem to have hampered the other iphone OS devices.
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post #67 of 280
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Are you giving some variant of Canned Answer No. 489: Nobody else cares? If not, I don't understand your statement. If so, I'd be surprised if you were right.

It's not about right or wrong. Its about buying a product that will suit your needs. Assuming that because you take issue with something everyone else does/should too, is ridiculous.


[QUOTE=iGenius;1561209Yeah? You listen to Pandora or the other 100 music apps while surfing the web? Your Apple device is capable of it. Are you sure that you are getting the most out of the device?[/QUOTE]

No, no I dont use Pandora or any of the 100 other music apps. I listen to the music that I put on my iPhone, and it works great for me.

[QUOTE=iGenius;1561209Cool. Two canned answers in one sentence! "Nobody else cares. You are a deviant in your desires."[/QUOTE]

Again, if you absolutely need flash, then there are other products that will fulfill those needs for you.
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post #68 of 280
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IMO, it is fairly ugly. The bezel is MUCH wider than it should be.

And there's no new software, just a new screen size for the same old crippled OS.

But I hope that I am truly myopic, and that developers get all excited about a 4:3 medium-sized screen. I hope you are right. But small screened real computers have existed for years, so I don't see the innovative nature of the device.

iGenius, do me a favour - firmly tape both of your thumbs flat to your hands then pick up your laptop. Now try and type on the keyboard.
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That guy is the slowest counter in the world! Once the start button was finally released, boot time was 17 seconds. Add about 3 seconds that you need to hold the button and you have a 20 second boot time, not 10 or 11 as he proclaimed.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

It's meant to do everything the Kindle does, plus a helluva lot more (we'll be approaching - but not quite getting to - laptop replacement territory), and look gorgeous in the process, for a bit more money.

For $10 more than the Kindle DX I'm just not sure it's worth it.
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post #71 of 280
The iPad would be perfect for my job as a training specialist, although I would definitely need Exchange support. I'm not sure if Bento could handle my database needs. I don't do anything too crazy in Access.
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... The iPad will sync documents with iTunes just like the iPhone currently does, in addition to accessing cloud, web, and local file shares. ...

WTF?

If this is true then it isn't going *anywhere* in the business world. If iWork syncs it's documents into iTunes the way the voice recorder throws memos in with songs I simply won't be buying it.

The physical restrictions of the form factor are bad enough, but if you can't even have a documents folder that syncs with your desktop computer then it's totally a non-starter for me.

Also of note, how can *anything* be a business computer if it doesn't have a USB port?
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Microsoft Office inside is what is needed. Compatible with Mac, of course. And starting with PowerPoint for presentations. The standard is PowerPoint, not Keynote, even being the former much better and intuitive that the latter. Those are the real facts!

iWork is pretty much compatible with MS Office, and iWork is cheaper and already built for the iPad. No need for MS Office at all.
I can see doctors totally using an iPad when they see their patients and syncing it with their with their desktops.
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post #74 of 280
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Netbooks are one of the devices that the iPad is intended to replace, but he is mixing up need and want.

Nope, this is NOT intended to replace anything, it is a new device category. Why don't people get this? Laptops and desktops have their place, as do smart phones/PDAs. This is something new, not a replacement. Smarter than a smart phone, not as functional as a netbook/laptop.
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WTF?

If this is true then it isn't going *anywhere* in the business world. If iWork syncs it's documents into iTunes the way the voice recorder throws memos in with songs I simply won't be buying it.

The physical restrictions of the form factor are bad enough, but if you can't even have a documents folder that syncs with your desktop computer then it's totally a non-starter for me.

Also of note, how can *anything* be a business computer if it doesn't have a USB port?

What do you use your USB port for? There is a USB port btw, an inexpensive adapter - I can't think of a single use for it in a device with 3G and wireless networking though? I do use one of the USB ports on the back of my imac, this is for an external HD - why is this a necessity for a business tablet device?

And don't dismiss the device because of a guess on your part - "if you can't even have a documents folder that syncs with your desktop computer then it's totally a non-starter for me. " - Who has stated you can't sync your documents folder with a desktop computer?

What are the restrictions of the form factor?

I heard issues like this when mac removed the ADB port, then removed the floppy disk, next the DVD slot will go - people will be up in arms, but in five years people will ask what they were ever used for. It's called progress, and progress is good.
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

It has a USB port without a card adapter.

Suggest you visit Apple's iPad site.

How anybody would think that you couldn't access or write to external files boggles the mind.

Wheres the link to Apples page? You are wrong, you boggle my mind.
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Originally Posted by Galley View Post

The iPad would be perfect for my job as a training specialist, although I would definitely need Exchange support. I'm not sure if Bento could handle my database needs. I don't do anything too crazy in Access.


I believe the iPhone has exchange support, as does snow leopard, so I think it's a given that exchange support will be here.
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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post

The 'Pad is not a toy.

Correct.
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It is suited for heavy-duty use.

Incorrect.

There's a whole world of steps in between those two extremes. The iPad is somewhere in the middle, but much closer to "toy" than "workhorse."
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... The iPad will sync documents with iTunes just like the iPhone currently does, in addition to accessing cloud, web, and local file shares.

WTF?

If this is true then it isn't going *anywhere* in the business world. If iWork syncs it's documents into iTunes the way the voice recorder throws memos in with songs I simply won't be buying it.

The physical restrictions of the form factor are bad enough, but if you can't even have a documents folder that syncs with your desktop computer then it's totally a non-starter for me.

I think you missed the important bit that makes this ideal for businesses. The iPhone Configuration Utility already takes away the need for iTunes in the Enterprise.

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Also of note, how can *anything* be a business computer if it doesn't have a USB port?

It has USB, just not as USB Type-A port.


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Only as a beta in a very limited trial basis. It is a step in the right direction, but if you're going to say something to try and one-up someone, give all the details and facts.

The HTML5 video tags a complete success. There are two limiting factors, the lack of interactive video controls which require JSS/CSS and lack of HTML5 browser support with H.264. Both of these will continue to grow faster and faster, especially with Google and Apple adding momentum.
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Originally Posted by alectheking View Post

Wheres the link to Apples page? You are wrong, you boggle my mind.

No, he's not - there is an adapter for SD cards and a USB port - this is not a card, it's a bit of plastic that slots into the dock connector socket (whatever it's called) for the occasional use that people would need this for...

Your link:

http://www.apple.com/uk/ipad/specs/
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