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post #81 of 280
If it works as advertised, the iPad is certainly going to replace my old PowerBook G4, which I keep only for travel and presentations.
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post #82 of 280
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Originally Posted by zunx View Post

Microsoft Office inside is what is needed. Compatible with Mac, of course. And starting with PowerPoint for presentations. The standard is PowerPoint, not Keynote, even being the former much better and intuitive that the latter. Those are the real facts!


A nice welcome would be a keynote reader app for Windows that could run off a pen drive. That way we could make Keynote presentations available in their native format. I´m sick of having to export to Quiktime in order to keep transitions similar to the Keynote experience.
post #83 of 280
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Har! They were "screen-syncing", and not presenting live. At one point (I think it was when the games guy was on) the big screen started turning before the guy had turned the device.

I was impressed that the other presenters seemed to get the timing down perfectly. He was the same guy who looked at the big screen during the demo, implying that the small screen was inferior. He needed more rehearsals.

And BTW, does anybody think that they were downloading webpages live? The whole of the internet slowed down during the presentation, but the web pages loaded as fast as pages from a cache. Yep.

Yes, I do think they were downloading web pages live - and if screen synching was being used (unlikely) don't you think it would have been type-o free with zero glitches?
post #84 of 280
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Originally Posted by tjboucher View Post

I need to confirm three things, and then this is my new work device.

1) I can present out that VGA port so I can hook it to a projector.

2) Exchange Email works just like it doesn on my iPhone, which my employer is actually moving us to off of blackberries.

3) It connects to a cisco VPN just like my iPhone.

That is 95% of what I use my laptop for, and I'll personally buy my own iPad to get rid of that stupid thing.

The icing on the cake would be the ability to print things to a networked printer occasionally.

YEP! printing would be a clear advantage for th iPad!
post #85 of 280
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A nice welcome would be a keynote reader app for Windows that could run off a pen drive. That way we could make Keynote presentations available in their native format. I´m sick of having to export to Quiktime in order to keep transitions similar to the Keynote experience.

I'd wager that iWork.com will address that in some regard.
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post #86 of 280
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What do you use your USB port for? There is a USB port btw, an inexpensive adapter - I can't think of a single use for it in a device with 3G and wireless networking though? I do use one of the USB ports on the back of my imac, this is for an external HD - why is this a necessity for a business tablet device?

And don't dismiss the device because of a guess on your part - "if you can't even have a documents folder that syncs with your desktop computer then it's totally a non-starter for me. " - Who has stated you can't sync your documents folder with a desktop computer?

What are the restrictions of the form factor?

I heard issues like this when mac removed the ADB port, then removed the floppy disk, next the DVD slot will go - people will be up in arms, but in five years people will ask what they were ever used for. It's called progress, and progress is good.

Dude, I'm just commenting on what the article says. The bit I quoted implied it was going to sync documents to iTunes. What I said essentially is that, if true, then it's a non-starter.

I currently work in tech support at a large concern and everything connects by USB and (ancient) VGA. I know there are adapters for both, but adapters are not the best solution by any means. We (literally!) have plastic buckets full of Apple adapters (usually about ten to twelve different types), that we have to keep around to support all the other hardware that just connects using standard connectors. It's a huge hassle.

The only justification for it is that Apple's devices are usually so small that custom ports with adapters are necessary. Even the MacBook Air has legitimate reasons for not having enough ports and needing an adapter or two.

However, the tablet has about 15 or 20 inches of "edge real estate" that would make it possible to have USB and display ports, but it doesn't. They left it out for no reason other than aesthetics and usage design. It's not the end of the world, but yeah, if this is supposed to be a "business" machine" it should have those ports since there is no physical reason why it can't.
post #87 of 280
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Yes, it is a cool toy to surf the web while sitting on the couch.

The form factor is good (except for the ugly bezel) but the device only will access a subset of web pages.

I guess "good enough" is subjective. I expected much more from the device. I'm still waiting for a cool tablet that fits my desires. I was stoked that it had finally arrived, only to be disappointed that the device is so limited and dumbed down.
post #88 of 280
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Are you implying that my surmises are not justified? Please go on.

Are you implying that you're so mentally disorganized and uncertain as to require verification from others? Not good.

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post #89 of 280
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you don't even know what multi task means

time to shut up and learn about a product your whing about

explain exactly asshole what mutli tasking things you would do on the ipad

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post #90 of 280
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Originally Posted by AndreH View Post

As soon as a large-screen version of Citrix is available, this will fit right into the corporate environment - plus for bedside care in hospitals, carrying around a warehouse, etc.

Yes. It might fit well for certain niche uses.
post #91 of 280
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Yes. It might fit well for certain niche uses.

"niche" seems to be the last bastion of the padophobes.

the iPad MIGHT fail and MIGHT be a crappy product, but "stock answer #whatever" seems to be "niche niche niche niche" as though this product does something so esoteric.

This product will not "fill a niche." It will succeed (like iPod/iPhone) or fail (like Apple TV seems to be doing)
post #92 of 280
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Dude, I'm just commenting on what the article says. The bit I quoted implied it was going to sync documents to iTunes. What I said essentially is that, if true, then it's a non-starter.

I currently work in tech support at a large concern and everything connects by USB and (ancient) VGA. I know there are adapters for both, but adapters are not the best solution by any means. We (literally!) have plastic buckets full of Apple adapters (usually about ten to twelve different types), that we have to keep around to support all the other hardware that just connects using standard connectors. It's a huge hassle.

The only justification for it is that Apple's devices are usually so small that custom ports with adapters are necessary. Even the MacBook Air has legitimate reasons for not having enough ports and needing an adapter or two.

However, the tablet has about 15 or 20 inches of "edge real estate" that would make it possible to have USB and display ports, but it doesn't. They left it out for no reason other than aesthetics and usage design. It's not the end of the world, but yeah, if this is supposed to be a "business" machine" it should have those ports since there is no physical reason why it can't.

I see where you're coming from - but this device is about the future, not about legacy offices. It's time to upgrade - I'm sure the macbook Air would be no use in your set up either. I do understand financial pressure on business - I run my own;However I suspect that this device simply isn't for you, which is fine. Doesn't mean that many businesses, both uptodate technologically and new start ups won't find many uses for this.

I'd like to know what these new features aimed at businesses are though...

Also, it's a bit silly to say that because there's physically room for something on the outside of the case that it means something can be added - if that were the case, why doesn't my macbook pro case have each edge smothered in ports? We haven't seen inside this thing yet...

Physical connection is pretty dead. An SD card slot would be sweet, but not essential (hence it being an adapter). I have to question your 10 - 12 apple adapters kicking around - what on earth are you doing in the office?! I can think of no reason for that. You need to adapt from the display port to your projector/external monitor, I get that - but what else is there?!
post #93 of 280
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Are you implying that my surmises are not justified? Please go on.

At this point in time... no... your surmises are just that... surmises. You have nothing to go on, other than a short presentation yesterday. That's all... and certainly not ALL of what this device will do in the FUTURE!
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post #94 of 280
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Which by applying your logic laterally means we should all at least try the iPad hands-on before we dismiss it as unsuitable?

I'm sorry. I don't understand what it means to "apply logic laterally" Can you explain?

And I never thought that "we all need to try the iPad hands-on before we dismiss it". I see that as similar to saying that one must try a Hummer before concluding that a compact car might be more suitable.



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People can at least buy it on the Apple 14 day money back return and make their mind up at home right? Your not suggesting that business and home users shouldn't even try it - risk free are you ?

No, I never ever thought that or suggested that. Why do you ask?
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post #96 of 280
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

The form factor is good (except for the ugly bezel) but the device only will access a subset of web pages.

I guess "good enough" is subjective. I expected much more from the device. I'm still waiting for a cool tablet that fits my desires. I was stoked that it had finally arrived, only to be disappointed that the device is so limited and dumbed down.

A subset of web pages? Don't be ridiculous. That's a stupid statement. At some point the Adobe will sort their software and it will be fit for use on Apple portable devices. But web pages that don't use flash are not a "subset". That's simply nonsense.

Maybe you'd like it to be as fully featured as a macbook, with a physical screen attached. Oh wait - that already exists, it's called a, ermmm, a Macbook...
post #97 of 280
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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post

Oh dear.

How would you hold it in the cup of your hand without obscuring the screen if the bezel was any smaller?

Watch the presentation video. The bezel is much wider than it needs to be.


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I'm sorry you don't see the innovative nature of a device designed for a very focussed set of tasks that starts up in 16 seconds and has a ten hour battery life, weight one and a half pounds, will drop into your man bag, is smaller than a laptop and replaces the laptop/netbook for those that don't need the additional functionality, all for a price $10 more than the kindle.

It is both more expensive and less capable than most netbooks. That is why I don't see the innovation. It seems like the only innovation was to take the iTouch and increase the screen size. I thought it would be very cool, but instead, I find it rather meh.
post #98 of 280
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Originally Posted by brucep View Post

you don't even know what multi task means

time to shut up and learn about a product your whing about

explain exactly asshole what mutli tasking things you would do on the ipad

exactly


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post #99 of 280
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

You have to be able to hold the device comfortably without tapping onto touch-enabled areas and inadvertently activating something. You don't hold the device with your fingertips. This isn't an iPhone. The bezel area seems just right for a comfortable grip.

Too bad they couldn't find an innovative way to allow a comfortable grip and good looks at the same time.
post #100 of 280
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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post

Nope, that isn't what he's claiming. He's suggesting that it's a great device for those who don't need a laptop and carry it around everywhere only to check email and do the occasional bit of surfing. Some people don't need a laptop on the road, but could with being in touch online.

Yes. For that niche, it seems adequete. It certainly is no laptop replacement.
post #101 of 280
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Yeah. To imagine that it is as capable as a netbook will lead to disappointment.

If one conceives of it as a big iPhone without the phone it is perfect in every way.

Yes, and if you compare it to a mac pro you'll also be disappointed. Typical ridiculous, facetious comment from you iGenius.

I do think of it as a big IPhone without the phone, that has a bigger screen at higher resolution and the ability to use iwork, oh and with 140 hours of music listening, and without the need for an annual cellular contract. and... I could also think of it as a laptop without a keyboard and a slightly smaller screen. What would be the point in either comparison? You don't compare a banana with a steak dinner. Yes, they are both food, but there the similarity ends. Pointless comparison is just that - pointless.

What a shame you lack the imagination to see what others might need, as opposed to what you need. I guess that's why you make a few tens of billions each year and innovate in the market place, with millions of people aspiring to own your products and Apple are broken and a failed company, hanging on your every word.
post #102 of 280
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Yes. For that niche, it seems adequete. It certainly is no laptop replacement.

Yes iGenius, it's not a laptop replacement. No one is suggesting that it is. This is for a different market place, made up of 'niches' and people who don't want fully functioning computers, with 90% of their potential going to waste.
post #103 of 280
Business users are more likely to need a device with a larger screen than the iPad and a proper keyboard. If they are already carrying a laptop and a smartphone then they do not need an iPad as well.

Most business use MS Office and I cannot see MS creating a version of Office for the iPad. iWork for the iPad looked nice but if everyone else is using Office it makes collaboration harder.

I therefore cannot see the iPad making serious inroads into businesses.
post #104 of 280
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

I currently work in tech support at a large concern and everything connects by USB and (ancient) VGA. I know there are adapters for both, but adapters are not the best solution by any means. We (literally!) have plastic buckets full of Apple adapters (usually about ten to twelve different types), that we have to keep around to support all the other hardware that just connects using standard connectors. It's a huge hassle.

You're right, it's not the "best" solution, the best solution is not needing any adapter at all. You can add every possible port scenario to your device or go with the most likely used for your market. Hell, there are devices that connect via serial ports, but I don't think makes for a valid reason to support it.

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The only justification for it is that Apple's devices are usually so small that custom ports with adapters are necessary. Even the MacBook Air has legitimate reasons for not having enough ports and needing an adapter or two.

I know several people with MBAs and I don't think any one of them has an adapter for it outside the norm. It's designed to be wireless. No one even has the USB-to-Ethernet dongle.

That said, i would like to see the Mac OS X Restore Disc come on a USB flash drive, or include an SD slot/card. It seems remiss to offer a premium discless device and not offer a method for restore the OS that doesn't require another Mac.

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However, the tablet has about 15 or 20 inches of "edge real estate" that would make it possible to have USB and display ports, but it doesn't. They left it out for no reason other than aesthetics and usage design. It's not the end of the world, but yeah, if this is supposed to be a "business" machine" it should have those ports since there is no physical reason why it can't.

(9.56" x 2) + (7.47" x 2) = 34.06"

The iPod Touch has plenty of room for multiple USB and video-out ports, but I don't think it's a good design decision. Pesonally, I was hoping they'd retire the 8yo iPod Dock Connector with this new device category. Perhaps with only a locking mDP port. It can do 750Mbps USB data.

Aren't the most common projectors still using analog video input?
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post #105 of 280
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"niche" seems to be the last bastion of the padophobes.

the iPad MIGHT fail and MIGHT be a crappy product, but "stock answer #whatever" seems to be "niche niche niche niche" as though this product does something so esoteric.

This product will not "fill a niche." It will succeed (like iPod/iPhone) or fail (like Apple TV seems to be doing)

Surely you mean people who are "pro" pad, not scared of it? (ED. A padophile, not a padophobe...)

This product will fill several niches, not just one. And there is no black white fail/succeed - my brother lives for his apple tv, it's just not for me. It hasn't sold as many units as the iPhone, but is it a 'failure', or is it the foundation for something more? When tv and production companies wise up and relax licensing on content, the apple tv will be perfectly positioned to be something incredible.
post #106 of 280
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Too bad they couldn't find an innovative way to allow a comfortable grip and good looks at the same time.

They did.
post #107 of 280
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Originally Posted by Orlando View Post

Business users are more likely to need a device with a larger screen than the iPad and a proper keyboard. If they are already carrying a laptop and a smartphone then they do not need an iPad as well.

Most business use MS Office and I cannot see MS creating a version of Office for the iPad. iWork for the iPad looked nice but if everyone else is using Office it makes collaboration harder.

I therefore cannot see the iPad making serious inroads into businesses.

I can.

Which business users are likely to need a device with a larger screen? All business users?

Yes, if they're carrying a laptop and a smartphone, they don't need this. What if you don't need that laptop, but do need to check your email and view attachments on the road, on walk abouts in the office or when working from home.

I know a lot of employees and colleagues who are already eyeing the 'pad up as a replacement for unnecessary laptops that are currently used for nothing more than email and internet (we do a lot of high end video work, and the macbook simply isn't up to this, so all real work is on the mac pros and wintel boxes).

Additionally, I'm from one of those many companies who have blocked the flash plug in on all devices connected to the company network, so the lack of flash isn't an issue to us, and none of our local council or government contracts allow the use of flash in the work we create for them because of UK accessibility laws. This thing is perfect for presentations on the road, and the battery life sensational.

We don't use office, and if we need to send out word docs to people (very, very rarely) open office, neo office and pages do the job just fine.

"Business users are more likely to need a device with a larger screen than the iPad and a proper keyboard." Yes, that's called a laptop and it already exists.

I think the point is that one device doesn't fit every need. We have desktops, laptops, netbooks and smartphones. Now we have the iPad as an additional platform for low end jobs. It's not aiming to replace anything - it's aiming to fill the gaps between the current devices. It's a new market, and it's very exciting.
post #108 of 280
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No, he's not - there is an adapter for SD cards and a USB port - this is not a card, it's a bit of plastic that slots into the dock connector socket (whatever it's called) for the occasional use that people would need this for...

Your link:

http://www.apple.com/uk/ipad/specs/

The adapter wasn't what I was attacking. Read up, he is claiming its built in without the need of an adapter. So I said, "show me the link."
post #109 of 280
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No, he's not - there is an adapter for SD cards and a USB port - this is not a card, it's a bit of plastic that slots into the dock connector socket (whatever it's called) for the occasional use that people would need this for...

Your link:

http://www.apple.com/uk/ipad/specs/

and i quote

"It has a USB port without a card adapter.

Suggest you visit Apple's iPad site.

How anybody would think that you couldn't access or write to external files boggles the mind."
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Originally Posted by tjboucher View Post

Exchange support is suspiciously missing in any of the talk about Mail. They do not call out Activesync like they do on the iPhone.

Yes, because the presentation focussed on fun, talk of exchange would have resulted in howls of "this is not a business tool, it's a toy" from the analysts and reporters and looks of confusion from the casual domestic user of this device.

The suggestion here is that the iPhone and 'Pad will be running the same OS - why would Apple disable something that is purely a software feature on one of the platforms running this OS? I think anything the iPhone OS can currently do is a given certainty for the 'pad, along with some new features yet to be announced or ready for 'prime time'.
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The adapter wasn't what I was attacking. Read up, he is claiming its built in without the need of an adapter. So I said, "show me the link."

No he didn't, he just said it wasn't a card adapter, I think you two are arguing over semantics.
post #112 of 280
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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post

The 'Pad is not a toy. It is suited for heavy-duty use. I think that emphasizing business use is a smart move. I wasn't surprised when iWork was emphasized, given that the device has very adequate input and output, and the inability to multitask doesn't seem to have hampered the other iphone OS devices.

Well, I guess we disagree.
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Originally Posted by surferfromuk View Post

iGenius, do me a favour - firmly tape both of your thumbs flat to your hands then pick up your laptop. Now try and type on the keyboard.

Huh? WTF?
post #114 of 280
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

I'm sorry. I don't understand what it means to "apply logic laterally" Can you explain?

And I never thought that "we all need to try the iPad hands-on before we dismiss it". I see that as similar to saying that one must try a Hummer before concluding that a compact car might be more suitable.





No, I never ever thought that or suggested that. Why do you ask?

1) It means that you can apply the same reasoning you used to justify one set of actions to this set of actions.

I assume then that you are essentially suggesting that people don't bother trying it - that they make an assessment and final judgement from a position of total ignorance?

2) No, I know you didn't - nor are you ever seemingly going to because this is exactly how Microsoft maintains it's 95% market share position isn't it - through impelling Reverse inertia and apathy towards innovation or change.

Anyway, I think this device has enough of it's own exciting momentum and you can bet iPhone OS 4.0 ( when demo'd in June) gets lots of people trying it so they will be able to decided if it's hummer or compact car enough for their particular needs - all knowing they can send it back if it's not right - good that isn't it!
post #115 of 280
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Originally Posted by zunx View Post

Microsoft Office inside is what is needed. Compatible with Mac, of course. And starting with PowerPoint for presentations. The standard is PowerPoint, not Keynote, even being the former much better and intuitive that the latter. Those are the real facts!

Serious?
Have you ever even seen Keynote or compared it with PowerPoint?
Blows it into a smoking hole in the ground.
post #116 of 280
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Huh? WTF?

Try picking up your laptop and typing on it without using your thumbs - you'll find it impossible.
post #117 of 280
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Originally Posted by Hal 9000 View Post

YEP! printing would be a clear advantage for th iPad!

Nobody prints anymore. You are the only person who would want that. It is a better product because it will not print.

FOR ME.
post #118 of 280
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Originally Posted by DanielSW View Post

Are you implying that you're so mentally disorganized and uncertain as to require verification from others?


Nope. Guess again, Kreskin.
post #119 of 280
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Originally Posted by joelsalt View Post

It will succeed (like iPod/iPhone) or fail (like Apple TV seems to be doing)

Why do you dismiss the possibility that it might do moderately well? Why one extreme or the other?
post #120 of 280
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Nobody prints anymore. You are the only person who would want that. It is a better product because it will not print.

FOR ME.

Nobody prints anymore ? I get it now - you come from the future - THIS future...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0yQunhOaU0

where nobody reads either...
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