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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

When I said "wait", I obvoiusly didn't mean to not do what you need to do in the meantime. But if this isn't a required product, and no product is really required, just desired for various reasons, then other ways will suffice, even if the portability is desired.

Right I understand.

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But for the average person wanting to buy this, it's different. I would imagine that most people buying this will already have a computer, so this isn't necessary, just an addition, as it will be with us.

The iPad can't replace the OP's Dell right now, like he want's to, it's a "extra" with potential later down the road. I was trying to steer him in the right direction.

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But in a couple of years, it may be different. Considering that you can do the app store very well on this, as well as on almost any other computer, you may not have to sync it to a computer at all. If, and right now, it's a big if, the adapters that Apple has for this will allow a small USB drive, then back-ups are possible without using the "cloud". Or, if Apple gets Mobileme working the way it would be useful for people with this, then that could be used. but, right now, I'm not thrilled about cloud storage of sensitive information. Maybe in the future.

I think Apple intends this iPad to become the first of a cloud device, having the plant in NC up and running sometime next year to support that.

I also agree I don't like the idea of cloud storage or computing, it's too dependent upon network and subject to interception.

But that's where Apple is going so they can produce lighter, cheaper and more profitable devices. I predicted this many moons ago because processors can't be made to go any faster.

Basically the iPad is a terminal, like the very old days...


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What I've found interesting is that people at the introduction who said they were skeptical before they actually got to use it were transformed by the experience. Two PSmag editors who weren't there, the day before it came out, said that it wouldn't be popular, and couldn't see a use for it.

The two who went to the presentation and used it said just the opposite.

Interesting.


I think there should be two classes of "heads"

MacHeads and AppleHeads, the latter accepting the new iPhone like GUI and closed universe of the App Store.

The iPad is not a Mac, it's something else that's going to take over eventually.

It think that's why there is such mixed reviews, and as I predicted would occur if the "iSlate" was based solely upon the iPhone type GUI.
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Jobs seemed to be getting pretty annoyed with Mossberg towards the end with his jabs about how Word dominates editing. When only 5-10% of the machines in the world can the world can run Pages, you can't expect otherwise.

I have personally found Pages compatibility to be quite poor and the overall program to be quite sluggish. There are other alternatives that will be based on products like OpenOffice such as QuickOffice for iphone, Documents to Go, QuickWord and they'll run on the iPad.

Concerning battery life, I tend to agree with what Jobs said that if the machine lasts enough for a working day (24 hours - 8 for sleep - 1 for washing/toilet - 2 for meals = 13 hours tops) then it's no big deal. The only time that would become a big deal is if you took it on a camping holiday or somewhere it's hard to find a charging point. But again, the reason you go on holiday is to get away from it all so not a huge problem.
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Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post

Sorry Steve, I have over 25 days of continuous music, which would leave me little room for anything else on the iPad "thing".

Then I have to pay for iWork, when I already have OpenOffice.

So we see what's going on, your locking the machine down so you can sell your programs.

Will you allow a version of the free Open Office to appear on the App Store?

[CENTER]Of Course Not...

And given your list of 'requirements', the only reasonable conclusion one can draw is that this device simply is not for you.

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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

[CENTER]Of Course Not...

And given your list of 'requirements', the only reasonable conclusion one can draw is that this device simply is not for you.

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Well it's obvious Apple's "cloud" is going to come into play later on once the plant in NC is built to make up for the shortfall of storage on the iPad.

Also a lot of Apple's programs will run off the cloud as well.
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Originally Posted by icyfog View Post

iWork = MS Office
iWork for iPad = $30
iWork > MS Office
No need for MS Office

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I understand your reasoning, but...

MS Office is far more than just three productivity apps, it's an complete productivity/office environment, and as much as I enjoy using iWork on my MBP, when taken in their entirety, iWork < MS Office.

As it applies to the iPad, iWork Touch Edition will serve most users well enough.[/CENTER]
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

But in a couple of years, it may be different. Considering that you can do the app store very well on this, as well as on almost any other computer, you may not have to sync it to a computer at all. If, and right now, it's a big if, the adapters that Apple has for this will allow a small USB drive, then back-ups are possible without using the "cloud". Or, if Apple gets Mobileme working the way it would be useful for people with this, then that could be used. but, right now, I'm not thrilled about cloud storage of sensitive information. Maybe in the future.

I think another shoe is soon to drop. With Apple's marketing acumen, I think they'll announce cloud syncing sometime just before or soon after the iPad is available, especially if they think interest in the iPad is flagging. Cloud syncing will be part of an improved MobileMe, and would include backups.

Can someone who lives in NC check how far along Apple is with the construction of the data center?
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Jobs seemed to be getting pretty annoyed with Mossberg towards the end with his jabs about how Word dominates editing. When only 5-10% of the machines in the world can the world can run Pages, you can't expect otherwise.

I have personally found Pages compatibility to be quite poor and the overall program to be quite sluggish. There are other alternatives that will be based on products like OpenOffice such as QuickOffice for iphone, Documents to Go, QuickWord and they'll run on the iPad.

Concerning battery life, I tend to agree with what Jobs said that if the machine lasts enough for a working day (24 hours - 8 for sleep - 1 for washing/toilet - 2 for meals = 13 hours tops) then it's no big deal. The only time that would become a big deal is if you took it on a camping holiday or somewhere it's hard to find a charging point. But again, the reason you go on holiday is to get away from it all so not a huge problem.

Nah he wasn't annoyed, he was pulling a Larry David look. Anybody know what the battery life will be for 3G? Will it be different than 3g voice or does it matter. My 1st gen iPhone gets better battery life than my girlfriends 3gs and she has wifi, bluetooth and notifications off and I have all of it on and I get a whole day out of it where she gets half a day before it dies. Will this issue be apparent for a 3g iPad? Anybody know? Anybody?.... Bueller??
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

They are both office suites but they are from equating to each other in usage needs and there is no way that iWork is "greater than" MS Office for the vast majority of people. Even for Office for Mac pales in comparison to Office for Windows when it comes to shear number of apps and complexity of apps. Just like Windows, Office has its place, especially in the Enterprise, and is far from being unseated by a consumer-based option.

I'd say for a majority of users iWork is an equivalent to MS Office.
And for the minority, most are just using features because they're there, not because they offer a better design perspective.
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Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post

If your sharing with others and they require to edit it, like at work, it's best to use the same machine and software version they are using. So everyone see's and can work on the same thing.

If your getting files from others and not sending them out, you can chose what you want depending how complex the files are and if they can be imported or not. If your willing to tweak things or not. Usually spreadsheets and word documents come over with little disturbance, the others is less so.

If your sending stuff out highly formatted, it's best to use the what everyone else uses or PDF it and nobody can edit it.

If you PDF it, then you can use what you want. They are not going to be able to change it anyway.


Not true at all in my experience. I just submitted a highly formatted 49 page paper to a scientific journal that 9 of us were working on around the world. I know that there were people using Pages (including myself), Word for OSX and Word for Windows (on several different versions) and we never once ran into an issue with editing and having everyone be able to read it and make additional edits. Track changes worked and formatting stayed the same.
Once again, as long as you're not using funky fonts, then there shouldn't be an issue.
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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD View Post

As an accountant and I am sure for millions of other business people- no Excel app - 100%, NO deal.

Whaaaa!

Microsoft won't create an Excel app for this platform, it would kill their Microsoft Tablet Edition hopes.

Deal with Numbers, which will import/export to Excel, or wait for the inevitable OpenOffice port late this year.
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Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss View Post

This surprises anyone? Pages users already know that it saves as Word documents. It always has.

Yes, my thoughts exactly.
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Nobody will read for 10 hours straight? Tell that to all the Harry Potter fans that marathon-read each book as it was published.

And 10 hours will quickly become 5 after a year or two, if my experience with iPods is anything close to what will happen with the iPad.

The iPad uses the 80% charge after 1000 cycle batteries, like the MacBook Pros.

So 8 hours after three years. I guess most people will be itching for the quad-core 2GHz A20 CPU based 4GB RAM/512GB storage iPad that Apple will be offering by then!
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1 new iPad feature EVERYONE missed is the "Terrain" option on Maps... Watch the Jobs intro video and you can see it.
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This surprises anyone? Pages users already know that it saves as Word documents. It always has.

Not exactly true. Pages does not SAVE in word format. It exports to Word Format using third party translators built into the software. Thus it is not 100 percent compatible. I use both Office and Pages and I can verify this. If you are in business the last thing you want to do is have a program that MIGHT be able to display the document the same way it looks in Word without formatting issues. This is why Microsoft Office on the Mac is Still needed. It uses the same file formats as it's windows counterparts. Pages, by nature approaches layouts in a different way altogether, thus in very nature is different from Word. It's documents must be translated and that sometimes leads to formatting errors. On a very simple document there aren't issues but on a complex one there are too many issues. If compatibility is an issue and in the business world it is, then Pages is not a substitute. (neither is Open Office etc...). For the casual home user it may be, but not for the business world.
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Originally Posted by icyfog View Post

iWork = MS Office
iWork for iPad = $30
iWork > MS Office
No need for MS Office

In order for iWork=MS Office, it would have to have 100 percent compatibility. It DOES NOT. Almost every .doc file I open in Pages contains some formatting error. Yet is will open the document but I don't want to work on an important document or even something like a resume and guess and hope that it will open and look the same in Word. My experience has shown otherwise. The reason is that iWork does not SAVE in Word format. It EXPORTS the file to word format (or powerpoint, or excel) using third party translators built into the program. These translators as not 100 percent compatible. Excel is even worse and forget powerpoint. IF you want and need compatibility (100 percent), then you must use Office. I have both iWork and Office and they are not completely compatible. Therefore, until there is a 100 percent substitute or until businesses adopt another standard, I invest in Office for the Mac.

Also iWork DOES NOT support the latest file formats for Office period. It won't even open .docx files or the latest ppt, or excel files from the latest versions of Mac and PC. This is NOT a substitute. I'm glad it works for you but for businesses iWork being substituted for Office is a JOKE. Please note, I like using iWork for somethings but unless Apple pays licensing fee's to Microsoft for IT'S file translators, it will NEVER be competition for it.
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1 new iPad feature EVERYONE missed is the "Terrain" option on Maps... Watch the Jobs intro video and you can see it.

22min:45sec into Podcast.

He's also using a smokey-black 30-pn cable. Any chance that will be included over the non-businessy white cable?
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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD View Post

As an accountant and I am sure for millions of other business people- no Excel app - 100%, NO deal.

AFAIK, Numbers is already compatible with Excel, at least it is on my iMac.
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I blooming well hope so....if it doesnt then one more iFAIL.
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Originally Posted by freethinker View Post

I would buy iPad if there was a Microsoft Word app. Though others may disagree, i am very tempted to fulfill the role of Desktop computer with iPad. My current Dell from 2003 belongs in a Housing Works or Salvation Army.

the iPad's iWork opens and saves Word and Excel files, it's not a problem.

Even QuickOffice on iPhone does that
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In order for iWork=MS Office, it would have to have 100 percent compatibility. It DOES NOT. Almost every .doc file I open in Pages contains some formatting error. Yet is will open the document but I don't want to work on an important document or even something like a resume and guess and hope that it will open and look the same in Word.

I work with both Word and Pages all day long and translate files back and forth for people and this is just not true. You are exaggerating very strongly here. There are some minor formatting changes on some documents, mostly because Word doesn't do formatting in any kind of rational way.

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Also iWork DOES NOT support the latest file formats for Office period. It won't even open .docx files or the latest ppt, or excel files from the latest versions of Mac and PC. ...

This is also 100% FALSE ( to use your silly caps).

Not only does Pages open docx files, it was the first program to provide that support anywhere, and had it before the previous version of Office itself had it.

Not only that, but on the Mac, TexEdit (the Mac equivalent of NotePad), could also open docx files, also before the version of Office could.
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The only compatibility problem I have ever run into was when I used the Mac version of Word and sent it to someone on a PC. Since switching to Pages and exporting, I have had not a single problem and my documents are typically 30-50 pages in length with imbedded images, graphs, etc. Same with Keynote...no issues at all and as an instructor, I use it very often!
However, I will say that I don't use any funky fonts. I stick with the "typical" fonts (Times, Ariel, Courier, Lucida, etc). If you're going to start using the less common fonts I would think your chances for universal compatibility begin to decrease.

I didn't buy a computer to use the same, boring fonts we see in 99% of documents -- not even my first Mac 25 years ago. Seems this quest for "compatibility" has destroyed one of the computer's best features, the ability to create unique, attractive documents. I just print everything to PDF, then I can use whatever fonts I prefer.
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They are both office suites but they are from equating to each other in usage needs and there is no way that iWork is "greater than" MS Office for the vast majority of people. Even for Office for Mac pales in comparison to Office for Windows when it comes to shear number of apps and complexity of apps. Just like Windows, Office has its place, especially in the Enterprise, and is far from being unseated by a consumer-based option.

The vast majority of people barely know how to use Word, let alone its plethora of features. Most people could actually benefit from a word processor with key features implemented well, instead of one that crams in a great many, poorly implemented features.
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I didn't buy a computer to use the same, boring fonts we see in 99% of documents -- not even my first Mac 25 years ago. Seems this quest for "compatibility" has destroyed one of the computer's best features, the ability to create unique, attractive documents. I just print everything to PDF, then I can use whatever fonts I prefer.

Which is why I print my tax forms in Wingdings. Makes things much more exciting. Oh... gotta go, the prison has a set time limit for computer use.
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The vast majority of people barely know how to use Word, let alone its plethora of features. Most people could actually benefit from a word processor with key features implemented well, instead of one that crams in a great many, poorly implemented features.

I wholeheartedly agree, but that doesn't change the fact that they aren't same suite as presented in the post I replied to. Personally, I open an iWork app about once a year, it seems. I've years I've used TextEdit for pretty much all word processing.
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Not exactly true. Pages does not SAVE in word format. It exports to Word Format using third party translators built into the software. Thus it is not 100 percent compatible. I use both Office and Pages and I can verify this. If you are in business the last thing you want to do is have a program that MIGHT be able to display the document the same way it looks in Word without formatting issues. This is why Microsoft Office on the Mac is Still needed. It uses the same file formats as it's windows counterparts. Pages, by nature approaches layouts in a different way altogether, thus in very nature is different from Word. It's documents must be translated and that sometimes leads to formatting errors. On a very simple document there aren't issues but on a complex one there are too many issues. If compatibility is an issue and in the business world it is, then Pages is not a substitute. (neither is Open Office etc...). For the casual home user it may be, but not for the business world.

I stand corrected on your first point. For a very good reason, Pages does not save as Word, it exports as Word. This is a way of answering your second point. Unless you want Pages (or some other alternative word processor) to be a virtual clone of Word, then it must have its own file format to contain its unique features. Even if you call the format the same thing (.doc or whatever), it's not necessarily the same as implemented in all software, even different versions of the same application. Hence my point that compatibility is mainly an illusion.

I don't find compatibility to be even a slight issue, but some may have very specific needs to share documents in ways that require maximum fidelity. Not sure what those would be when PDF wouldn't be the best solution, but someone could explain.
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The vast majority of people barely know how to use Word, let alone its plethora of features. Most people could actually benefit from a word processor with key features implemented well, instead of one that crams in a great many, poorly implemented features.

[CENTER]The issue I have with your post is that MS Word's features might be plentiful, but hardly poorly implemented.

There's a good reason it remains the industry standard: Powerful Features + (relative) Ease of Use.

iWork is great for basic/moderate publishing tasks, but it's hardly a match for MS Word for getting serious work done.[/CENTER]
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Which is why I print my tax forms in Wingdings. Makes things much more exciting. Oh... gotta go, the prison has a set time limit for computer use.

Very funny... I think.

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I wholeheartedly agree, but that doesn't change the fact that they aren't same suite as presented in the post I replied to. Personally, I open an iWork app about once a year, it seems. I've years I've used TextEdit for pretty much all word processing.

I use TextEdit for most of my raw note taking and composition, but when I'm done, it goes into Pages to create my reports, where all the formatting occurs. In fact, I've found that if you use the plain text format in TextEdit, this makes formatting in Pages even easier because it doesn't transfer any unwanted formatting artifacts into your finished document. This is why I was wondering why Mossberg was so concerned about Word document generation on the iPad. Any formatting in any document he sends to his editor at the Times is going to be changed to what they need for publication, so why use a full-featured word processor for this writing at all?
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Originally Posted by shamino View Post

Nobody will read for 10 hours straight? Tell that to all the Harry Potter fans that marathon-read each book as it was published.

And 10 hours will quickly become 5 after a year or two, if my experience with iPods is anything close to what will happen with the iPad.

So true....... But look on the bright side, if you really love your iAnythingWithBattery, you'll quickly find out how much when you get to live without it for a couple of weeks to get the batteries replaced.
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Does anyone know if the iPad will be able to connect to WiFi or bluetooth enabled printers? I wonder if there will something comparable to Finder for managing the files you create using iWork (and, presumably, third party applications) and retrieving files from a network.

They've obviously shown they're interested in allowing users to create content on the device and I can see huge potential here. In the presentation, Phil specifically mentioned connecting the iPad to a projector and giving a Keynote presentation so they're implying it has value as a business device as well. Given the conspicuous absence (or at least no mention of) the above features and multitasking, I'm trying to understand where they're going with this.
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This is why I was wondering why Mossberg was so concerned about Word document generation on the iPad. Any formatting in any document he sends to his editor at the Times is going to be changed to what they need for publication, so why use a full-featured word processor for this writing at all?

You have to remember that when Mossberg started in journalism he was using a cave wall in France.

Seriously though, I've been using Stickies for years but I'm trying to convert to Notes in Mail since they sync to the iPhone. That change is tough for me so I can imagine that Mossberg is a bit stuck in his ways.


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So true....... But look on the bright side, if you really love your iAnythingWithBattery, you'll quickly find out how much when you get to live without it for a couple of weeks to get the batteries replaced.

A bit hyperbolic. The only experience I've seen anybody with a bad Apple battery is an on-the-spot replacement or a next-day shipment in the mail.


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Does anyone know if the iPad will be able to connect to WiFi or bluetooth enabled printers? I wonder if there will something comparable to Finder for managing the files you create using iWork (and, presumably, third party applications) and retrieving files from a network.

There is word of connecting to printers and mounting as a networked and locally attached share.
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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD View Post

As an accountant and I am sure for millions of other business people- no Excel app - 100%, NO deal.

Of all of MS office components I would think that Excel would be the easiest to port to the iPad well. The question is will MS do it when Apple is obviously trying to drive down the cost of software. In a nut shell it looks like Apple is going after MS cash cows.

On another note why do you think Excel is so mandatory? Numbers does lag feature wise, that everybody knows, but what is it missing as far as use by professional accountants? Maybe it is about time for people to start pushing Apple for more features in Numbers.


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Didn't Steve state that the 10-hour battery life was with Wi-Fi on? If so, then that's pretty good. I fully expected the iPod add to run for considerably longer.

From apples site:
Up to 10 hours of surfing the web on Wi-Fi, watching video, or listening to music
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Jobs wasn't implying that Apple's eBooks would be $10, he was implying that the Kindle eBooks were going to go up in price.

I hope not, they hardly save over paper yet come with a lot more limitations than paper. It could kill the "just getting started" ebook market.
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I hope not, they hardly save over paper yet come with a lot more limitations than paper. It could kill the "just getting started" ebook market.

I don't like storing books. I've moved too many times and books/paper are the most annoying things to move. I'm all for a good implementation of ebooks, I don't know if the iPad will fit that or not. I'll probably get one for other reasons, so I'll get to try it out once they expand past US only. I'm sure there are others that don't like the combined weight and space consumed by a library of books.
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Maybe you are having problems that result in excessive emotional responses today
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Obviously Steve will have to approve the free OpenOffice being on the App Store before they can write a version.

Frist Apple doesn't pre approve anything. Second Steve himself seldom gets involved in app approvals.
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And Steve may not approve, as it will be in competition to his paid apps, iWork.

Apple hasn't prevented any other app from appearing on app store that competes, some very low cost apps.
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Thus the question remains:

Will Steve allow a free version of OpenOffice to appear on the App Store?

I don't see any reason why it wouldn't. The implementation would have to meet the agreed to restrictions for iPhone apps. The bigger issue might be the use of Java and the problems there.

I have OpenOffice on my Mac right now, along with iWork. Frankly it appears to me that OpenOffice is extremely bloated for the iPad platform. The reality is it is ancient tech and one would be far better off looking at new tech for iPad. What you should really be pining for is new innovative software that integrates well with the new hardware and software of the platform.
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Will Steve allow ANY apps on the App Store that are in competition with his products?

Many have already replied to this but I have to say your ignorance here is over whelming.

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A bit hyperbolic. The only experience I've seen anybody with a bad Apple battery is an on-the-spot replacement or a next-day shipment in the mail.

I don't think I am overstating the issue. You don't have to send something in because the battery is dead (though this happened to me after a year and a couple of months with my iPhone). If I can't get through a flight from Seattle to LA listening to music, I am sending the iPod in for battery replacement. You could buy battery packs to compensate for lack of capacity, but then you loose some of the appeal of your slickly designed iSomething.....
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It doesn't benefit the forum at large. The reality is that many posts don't. What this does do is set on notice those that might want to chech their E-Mail.
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Anyway, I am really excited for the iPad, the more I hear the more I like it

It is neat but Apple us withholding to much info and is not widely deploying the SDK. It is almost like they are covering up something they are ashamed of.

As it is the IPad is fairly close to what I was expecting after resigning my self to no 7" class device. The worst feature of the device is the 4:3 ratio of the screen and the stingy Flash allotment. After most of the TV industry moved to wide screen I'm not sure what caused the screen regression.

Take away those qwibbles and you have a very interesting platform.


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... Will you allow a version of the free Open Office to appear on the App Store?

This is paranoid nonsense.

In the first place, you have no evidence that anyone has written such a thing, and therefore no evidence that it would be refused. Secondly, part of the last OS revision was done specifically to support productivity apps like Open Office and shortly after it's release we started to see a lot more apps of that type. This latest revision (when we get it), extends that functionality even more.

Third, Open Office is a gigantic *integrated* Office suite designed the way Office suites were designed in the very early 90's. It won't ever exist for iPhone OS since only one app is allowed on the screen at any one time.

Open Office hardly works on a desktop computer let alone a mobile. It would have to be redesigned from the ground up along the lines of a modern GUI instead of just being a clone of a ten year old Microsoft product.

That's a lot of work and probably out of the scope (and beyond the capabilities frankly), of the team developing it.

I'm sure there will be a new project sometime that attempts to copy the iWork interface as a mobile Office solution. it may even be workable about ten years hence when the rest of us have already moved on to whatever's next.
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This surprises anyone? Pages users already know that it saves as Word documents. It always has.

Come on, Doc. You know very well that people still look in disbelief when shown these easy things. When I travel with my MBP and have VMware Fusion up and running **cough** Windoze, people still tell me that it cannot be done. Oh, the lies that marketing mavens tell...
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You have to remember that when Mossberg started in journalism he was using a cave wall in France.

Seriously though, I've been using Stickies for years but I'm trying to convert to Notes in Mail since they sync to the iPhone. That change is tough for me so I can imagine that Mossberg is a bit stuck in his ways.

Now, now. You must admit, for an Old Guy, Mossberg is pretty hip. Gives the rest of us hope. I imagine the NY Times is pretty unhip and stuck in their ways, by comparison.
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