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Unsurprisingly, Apple's introduction of its new multimedia, mobile computing, game playing iPad has been met with criticism from three of the company's biggest competitors: Microsoft, Nokia and Nintendo.

Nokia's issue came with Apple co-founder Steve Jobs' claim Wednesday that Apple is the largest mobile device company in the world. Nokia shot back with a post on its official blog disputing the statement.

Mark Squires, head of social media Nokia, said that Jobs' comments and media coverage of it made his blood pressure rise. Jobs specifically named Nokia, and alleged that Apple's $15.6 billion in revenue last quarter made it bigger than Samsung and Sony as well. Squires post entitled "A Fruit Confused?" was his attempt to "set the record straight."

Squires said that Nokia's devices and services business earned 8.18 billion euros from October to December 2009, while Apple took in 7.25 billion euros from its mobile products.

"The difference between the two companies is even larger if you use the more common measure: the number of devices sold," Squires wrote. "by that comparison, Nokia has been the largest mobile devices company in the world for a dozen consecutive years."

Nokia and Apple currently have a number of lawsuits directed at each other, making accusations of patent violations on both parties' behalves. As the iPhone has grown in popularity, Nokia has retained its status as the market leader, but has suffered significant losses at the hands of competitors.

Microsoft, too, joined the fray this week, when Brandon Watson, director of product management in the developer platform at Microsoft told Technologizer that he found it "humorous" that "Microsoft is much more open than Apple." Watson was referring to the fact that the newly-announced iPad runs the iPhone OS, which can only install third-party applications through the Apple-controlled App Store.

Finally, Nintendo president Satoru Iwata said he feels Apple didn't deliver any surprises when it revealed the iPad on Wednesday. The Japanese executive told The Associated Press that he felt Apple simply introduced "a bigger iPod touch." The report called him "totally unimpressed."

While the rivalry between Apple and Microsoft is well known, the mobile gaming platform battle between Apple and Nintendo is relatively new. Last year, Iwata said Nintendo could have a "dark future" ahead of it if the game company could not differentiate itself from Apple's iPhone.

In 2009, some of the biggest names in game publishing brought well-known franchises to the iPhone and iPod touch App Store. Franchises like The Sims, Metal Gear Solid and Grand Theft Auto have all found success on Apple's mobile platform.
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Dear Steve Jobs,

love the iphone. please make a tablet where i can visit at least 90% of the web sites out there and install software to play other media formats.
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Note to these also rans:

Your envy is showing. You've been upstaged, almost overnight, by a competitor with half your experience in mobile devices and gaming, respectively.

Best to start the anti-iPad FUD-machine NOW . . . and get in as many jabs as you can, because come April it's a whole new ballgame.
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Let the Drama begin....


This is all free publicity.


Nokia mad at the iphone taking a lot of their smartphone shares. Wait they did not have any real smart phones when the iphone came out. So far they have lost all their lawsuits.

Microsoft mad at the iPod and not being able to complete. The Zune wow what was a success.

Nintendo is mad because the iphone/ipod touch games look and run better and cost a lot less their the DS and Gameboy games. So they are mad because they are loosing market shares in the hand held gaming plat form. Hay stop regurgitating Pokemon, well if they do at least update the graphics.


Go Steve...
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Dear Steve Jobs,

love the iphone. please make a tablet where i can visit at least 90% of the web sites out there and install software to play other media formats.

90% of the web is not flash btw.
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Your envy is showing.

Yep. Whilst they all work like hell to try to copy it.
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Nintendo would be wise to get a deal with Apple to create a Gameboy player with in app purchases of their library.

Microsoft and Nokia are just a bit sore. MS would do good to learn from the iPad and Nokia would do good to withdraw from the US market. :P
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not impressed with iPAD version 1 -- but then again, it's just the beginning. it's a step in the right direction.

as the iPOD evolved, hopefully so will the iPAD. One can easily imagine, in the near future, a Macbook loosing the lid, adopting multi-touch, usb/firewire, mini-display.

I really would love an iPAD that I can use the same way as a Macbook. Hard Drive, install software (not to be confused with apps LOL), plug in external drives, etc. -- it will happen, just a matter of when.
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Dear Steve Jobs,

love the iphone. please make a tablet where i can visit at least 90% of the web sites out there and install software to play other media formats.

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Notice they are paying attention? This is telling.

The iPad is an appliance, and the more I see it the more I think it's something every house could have.
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Even fishing for a quote from Nintendo is kind of silly. The DS in no way is threatened by the iPad. They serve different gaming markets.
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not impressed with iPAD version 1 -- but then again, it's just the beginning. it's a step in the right direction.

as the iPOD evolved, hopefully so will the iPAD. One can easily imagine, in the near future, a Macbook loosing the lid, adopting multi-touch, usb/firewire, mini-display.

I really would love an iPAD that I can use the same way as a Macbook. Hard Drive, install software (not to be confused with apps LOL), plug in external drives, etc. -- it will happen, just a matter of when.

I don't think it will actually. I think that hard drives and file systems and such are a 1980's thing. The future Apple seems to be headed towards is one of the information appliance... think cloud computing and app-focused... where all you have is applications and they manage their own files. No confusing file system exposed to the user. That's not to say that the old ways will go away. I'm sure they will be with us for a long long time. But I DO NOT see the iPad going in that direction. The iPad is a new kind of device. Making it more like a laptop would be going backwards.
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not impressed with iPAD version 1 -- but then again, it's just the beginning. it's a step in the right direction.

as the iPOD evolved, hopefully so will the iPAD. One can easily imagine, in the near future, a Macbook loosing the lid, adopting multi-touch, usb/firewire, mini-display.

I really would love an iPAD that I can use the same way as a Macbook. Hard Drive, install software (not to be confused with apps LOL), plug in external drives, etc. -- it will happen, just a matter of when.

I agree. I can imagine a really large version set at a comfortable angle for editing stuff like Final Cut Pro. It would be like playing a piano. The contextual menus and finger controls they showed in the new iWorks seems to me at least the logical next step in graphical UIs. The cross over between OS X, iPhone OS X and iPad OS X will surely grow in all directions as needs demand.
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Dear Steve Jobs,

love the iphone. please make a tablet where i can visit at least 90% of the web sites out there and install software to play other media formats.

The irony of your message is this.

You preface your comments with "love the iPhone" yet it doesn't handle flash or a plethor of media formats as well. Why wouldn't you love the iPad as well?

Maybe it's just me but I fully understand Apple's positioning here. Flash and other tools like Microsoft's Silverlight are just propietary layers over what should be a non-proprietary.

If I can get most of the benefits of Flash within an open markup language like HTML that's what I want.
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I don't think it will actually. I think that hard drives and file systems and such are a 1980's thing. The future Apple seems to be headed towards is one of the information appliance... think cloud computing and app-focused... where all you have is applications and they manage their own files. No confusing file system exposed to the user. That's not to say that the old ways will go away. I'm sure they will be with us for a long long time. But I DO NOT see the iPad going in that direction. The iPad is a new kind of device. Making it more like a laptop would be going backwards.

Absolutely on-the-button oh wise one.
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Yeah, what dbossmon said. He summed it up nicely.

Naysayers and pundits be damned, if it's getting poo-pooed like this by the competition, and by Adobe, too, it must be because they're expecting it to be more successful than the nay-sayers would have us think.
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Note to these also rans:

Your envy is showing. You've been upstaged, almost overnight, by a competitor with half your experience in mobile devices and gaming, respectively.

Best to start the anti-iPad FUD-machine NOW . . . and get in as many jabs as you can, because come April it's a whole new ballgame.

Oh the fanboys are out already I see.

I'd much sooner have a Win7 tablet than the iPad. It may not look at pretty but at least it would be able to multi-task, run flash, use Skype video chat, and install any application I like.

The iPad is a worrying step in home computing, a move from open platforms to an incredibly closed, restrictive platform. People accept limitations on smart phones because they are tiny and underpowered, but on a laptop/netbook type system, no chance. It's either open or not worth considering for a second.

Apple should have just sold it as a Kindle competitor (although not of course outside the US, where Apple will not sell ebooks at all). By going after the netbook market all the do is illustrate how incredibly primative and limited the iPad is. My first computer ever (a Commodore 64) was more open than an iPad.
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not impressed with iPAD version 1 -- but then again, it's just the beginning. it's a step in the right direction.

as the iPOD evolved, hopefully so will the iPAD. One can easily imagine, in the near future, a Macbook loosing the lid, adopting multi-touch, usb/firewire, mini-display.

I really would love an iPAD that I can use the same way as a Macbook. Hard Drive, install software (not to be confused with apps LOL), plug in external drives, etc. -- it will happen, just a matter of when.

More and better apps are sure to come to the iPad version 1. iWork shows what the device is capable of. There are already basic video and audio editing apps on the iPhone; these will be made awesome on the iPad.

It's up to the developers now.

 

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If I can get most of the benefits of Flash within an open markup language like HTML that's what I want.

Even if that were true in theory, it certainly isn't true in practice. Much of the web depends on flash. Want to watch a video online? That'll be flash. Want to play a game online? That'll be flash. Want to play Farmville? (which if you hadn't noticed, a LOT of people do) That'll be flash.

Flash is EVERYWHERE online. It's not going away anytime soon. Apple need to stop their petty argument with Adobe and accept the total dominance of flash.
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The irony of your message is this.

You preface your comments with "love the iPhone" yet it doesn't handle flash or a plethor of media formats as well. Why wouldn't you love the iPad as well?

Maybe it's just me but I fully understand Apple's positioning here. Flash and other tools like Microsoft's Silverlight are just propietary layers over what should be a non-proprietary.

If I can get most of the benefits of Flash within an open markup language like HTML that's what I want.

The iPhone's a pocket device.
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The future Apple seems to be headed towards is one of the information appliance... think cloud computing and app-focused... where all you have is applications and they manage their own files. No confusing file system exposed to the user.

Wow. With that statement, this whole cloud thing just made sense to me. I was really thinking it was a frivolous exercise, but you've made me rethink it. Now, I think you're right. Wow, forget about files and folders and such, and it all seems brilliant! Thanks!
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Oh and a quick question for those defending the iPad. If Apple ever re-engineered the Mac to only run Apple approved apps from a Mac iTunes store, would you still support Apple?

Serious question. It's the direction Apple are moving in, so it's not impossible to imagine that happening.
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The sites I go to on the web rarely have flash. Most of the flash is in ads I don't want to see anyways. I'm sure Apple know that for its target group not having Flash is not a deal breaker. Also, the iPad is not only a net browser. It's also a stand alone viewer, reader and multi-machine with apps.

 

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The iPad is only half the equation - the cloud is the other shoe and that should drop 2011-12 I would think. (Apple will have learnt a lot from the monumental cock-up that was Mobile Me )
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Yeah, what dbossmon said. He summed it up nicely.

Naysayers and pundits be damned, if it's getting poo-pooed like this by the competition, and by Adobe, too, it must be because they're expecting it to be more successful than the nay-sayers would have us think.

Probably very true.

I judge the potential success of an Apple product based on how loud the naysayers are. The louder they are, the more successful the new product will be. I think they naysayers, in the case of the iPad, are protesting pretty loudy.

Can't wait for the tidal wave to begin.

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Oh and a quick question for those defending the iPad. If Apple ever re-engineered the Mac to only run Apple approved apps from a Mac iTunes store, would you still support Apple?

Serious question. It's the direction Apple are moving in, so it's not impossible to imagine that happening.

Glad Steve's let you in on Apple's ten and twenty year plans. Do let us know more details, please. What I think Apple is doing is freeing devices (and this is the v1 of a very powerful device) from being tied down. iPad will become the way to access information, media, my stuff from anywhere, comfortably. Devices like this need to be engineered tightly. A computer, as we understand and use them today, do not because they are more multipurpose. One only need to look at MS operating systems to see how much crap and gaarbage you can actually get away with. Flash too.
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First they ignore you, then they laugh you, then they fight you, then you win.

First generation iPad has it's downsides, but if you look at the competition... oh, wait...

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Oh and a quick question for those defending the iPad. If Apple ever re-engineered the Mac to only run Apple approved apps from a Mac iTunes store, would you still support Apple?

Serious question. It's the direction Apple are moving in, so it's not impossible to imagine that happening.

The TROLLS are out already I see.

Completely missing the point as per usual.
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Oh and a quick question for those defending the iPad. If Apple ever re-engineered the Mac to only run Apple approved apps from a Mac iTunes store, would you still support Apple?

Serious question. It's the direction Apple are moving in, so it's not impossible to imagine that happening.

No its not. That was their downfall before. They want control, but they NEED other manpower to produce this stuff.

To call iPad "not open" like that MS guy did is foolish. 140 000 aps is not "closed"
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The TROLLS are out already I see.

Completely missing the point as per usual.

Oh come off it, what a stupid thing to say.

It is entirely the point to pull Apple up for the closed nature of the iPad.

For example - http://theflashblog.com/?p=1703

This is the reality of the iPad for most people. Insulting people does not change that fact.
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The only mobile devices that count are SMART devices.
iPod shuffles, nanos and classics don't matter they are dinosaurs.
Same thing applies to Nokia's dumb phones.

The only devices that really matter for Apple are iPod Touch, iPhone, iPad and notebooks.
That is the future of mobile computing.
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I sorta like the idea that Apple has perused the apps that I install... Otherwise, any kid on the block could crank up anything he wanted and, once the average non-techie user installed it, have a field day.

Much safer for the end-user this way. Sure, it's not a perfect system, but it is better than worrying about who is inside your device and who has your credit card number.

 

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No its not. That was their downfall before. They want control, but they NEED other manpower to produce this stuff.

To call iPad "not open" like that MS guy did is foolish. 140 000 aps is not "closed"

The moment someone sees the missing flash plugin icon, clicks on it, then finds out they can't install flash, then the platform is closed.
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90% of the web is not flash btw.

I don't know... there's a LOT of porn out there.
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I don't think it will actually. I think that hard drives and file systems and such are a 1980's thing. The future Apple seems to be headed towards is one of the information appliance... think cloud computing and app-focused... where all you have is applications and they manage their own files. No confusing file system exposed to the user. That's not to say that the old ways will go away. I'm sure they will be with us for a long long time. But I DO NOT see the iPad going in that direction. The iPad is a new kind of device. Making it more like a laptop would be going backwards.

Well said.
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First they ignore you, then they laugh you, then they fight you, then you win.

First generation iPad has it's downsides, but if you look at the competition... oh, wait...

The competition are netbooks, and I don't know about you, but I see a lot of those in use on the train everyday.

And netbooks can run flash and multi-task.
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The Japanese executive told The Associated Press that he felt Apple simply introduced "a bigger iPod touch."

And a car is just a bigger golf cart, right? No. There's a WORLD of difference. When a golf cart is made bigger it can now haul stuff and go faster and be safer. It can do more.

A "bigger iPod Touch" will allow useful viewing of medical records for example. Or to read books comfortably. It could become the world's best universal remote control that can be used WHILE reading a newspaper with music in the background. All controlled easily from where you sit. An iPod can do that but not comfortably.

Who thought, years ago, that their phone would run colorful interactive apps? The iPhone didn't replace phones and the Kindle didn't replace books but they replace SOME of them. The iPad will do the same but for more and different thing.
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Oh come off it, what a stupid thing to say.

It is entirely the point to pull Apple up for the closed nature of the iPad.

For example - http://theflashblog.com/?p=1703

This is the reality of the iPad for most people. Insulting people does not change that fact.

i'm sure apple has done their homework, and whoever buys an ipad, won't have that problem because they won't be interested in seeing content that way...

i guess if so many people are unhappy with not having flash, apple could use a clicktoflash approach? so that the battery doesn't get drained
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They had their chance and now its Apple's time. These companies made expensive crap with extra stuff really didn't need and could have cut it to save some money but they didn't. Also to add it didn't really work. Apple gave us something we like, we can use but it mainly it can work! People picking up the iPad know already how to use it and what it can do especially if they already got a iPhone and or iPod Touch. That's was a extremely smart or Apple Genius move because that means a zero learning curve. I'm getting the 64GB iPad with Wi-Fi + 3G! I can use this in more ways then Microsoft's Tablet PC and Nokia's crap! These companies that voicing opinions now are the ones feeling threaten because Apple got one upon them plus by Apple's own A4 Chipset in house is a problem for them this might be the reason for low cost something you cannot get out of Intel or AMD. SO these companies that enjoy price gouging consumers reign is over on tablet format. They gotta get lower than $499 and that's something they not use to, so hats off to Apple's iPad!
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I sorta like the idea that Apple has perused the apps that I install... Otherwise, any kid on the block could crank up anything he wanted and, once the average non-techie user installed it, have a field day.

Much safer for the end-user this way. Sure, it's not a perfect system, but it is better than worrying about who is inside your device and who has your credit card number.

This.

Although if MS was smart, they'd shut up about Apple being "closed" and port Office (at least Word, Excel and PowerPoint) over to the iPad.
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I was a Windows geek for a long time, and initially had a difficult time transitioning to the Mac. I remember thinking "why can't I right-click" and "Why can't I modify system setting X?" After awhile, though, I became comfortable with the Mac because it was transparent -It allowed me to accomplish what I was trying to do by serving as a tool.

I think my transition to the Mac would have been easier if I had not had so much prior experience with Windows. The mistake in my thinking was assuming that Windows way of doing things was "correct," merely because they were what I had learned first.

To some extent, I think we all need to be careful about judging the iPad or any new product merely because it is not what we expect it to be. As people with experience with computers and technology, we can be blinded by own own preconceived notions of how things should be.

Assuming that nails came before screws, then the first people who saw a screwdriver probably thought it was a stupid tool because it looked nothing like a hammer....Yet, they both still exist.

I can very easily see myself preferring to surf the web while I sit on the couch by using an iPad. If the device provides a good experience, it won't really matter that it doesn't do anything that I can't already do with another device.

Only time will tell, but I'm betting on it being a winner.
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