Originally Posted by Jetz
Yep, and I am sure every one of those apps is truly useful and entertaining (obligatory fart app reference).
Yes, because one mans fart app is another mans holy grail. I'm glad you are so plugged into the needs of everyone you can make such substantial and informed judgements about the quality of a whole ecosystem.
Aside from that, what does the number of app downloads have to do with my argument that a closed platform is handicapped?
Well, I dunno - handicapped implies impeded, crippled, hobbled... and the App store has been the single biggest success for any kind of applications store on any platform. Ever.
In three years it's generated more revenue for mobile applications developers than all other platforms - some that have been in existence for over 10 years and are "open".
If that kind of success is what you consider "handicapped", to quote another movie "You keep using that word. I do not think it means, what you think it means."
It's difficult to argue a negative. How much would downloads have been if Apple had opened up the platform more?
It's hard to argue the theoretical - there is just as much a chance that it would be exactly the same or less. There is no way to know for sure. That's what makes baseless speculation on the Internet so much fun!
What I am concerned about in this case, is that Apple is selling a computer with restrictions we have not really seen before.
Except it's not a "computer" in the traditional sense. It's more an appliance or unique platform. It's something new entirely.
Can you imagine for example, Apple approving what software you can install on your mac?
No, because it's not going to happen. And it doesn't happen on the iPhone either. Yes, there are some cases where Apple has rejected apps like Google voice, but I suspect most of those have been because of agreements with AT&T. It will be interesting to see if things change with the iPad - esp. with wifi only models.
On the iPhone it might have been excusable because of issues and concerns about the impact on the cellular network.
It wasn't just that - it was also the possible impact of crappy code on the user experience. Sadly there is far to many examples of bad code on Windows and even Mac OSX.
On the iPod Touch it might have been tolerable because they wanted to avoid duplication and keep one app store for the the ITouch and the iPhone.
Huh? This never happened nor was it EVER implied, except in kooky threads like this on the Internet.
On the iPad that's quite a stretch.
What's a stretch is your tortured logic. What's the point of wanting something different, and then complaining when it isn't like every other piece of equipment out there? If you don't like Apple's model, then don't buy it! Run to Android or whatever other system more floats your boat. But I (and millions of others) happen to like the direction Apple is going in true computing appliances.
It's about time someone focuses on the overall user experience and you can't do that without accountability from everyone. The App store enforces that. It's a good
's not the size. It's the function of the device. If all that's going to be allowed are apps that are allowed on the iPhone or productivity suites that are on par with iPhone tools, then the iPad will be less of a computer and more of an oversized iPod Touch.
Says someone who has yet to hold one in his hands, see the final version or see how developers react to it.
Your pretty cocksure about a whole lot of hypotheticals that rely on some pretty fantastic assumptions - esp. given Apple's track record over the last 10 years.
I have no problem with that. But let's not pretend this is an amazing platform if that's all that's coming to market.
It is an amazing platform coming to market.
The really wonderful thing is it will still be an amazing platform coming to market despite myopic people such as yourself not believing so
I am concerned though that people seem to be thinking that this more a netbook replacement than a giant portable DVD player/net browser/e-reader all in one.
People will think what they want to - at their own peril. The iPhone morphed way beyond what even I imagined for it. With the advances in the iPad, in a year we are going to look back and go "damn!" for stuff that we can't even conceive of right now that will no doubt come popping out of the woodwork. Just like it happened with the original iPhone. When you give developers fertile ground with low barriers to entry, amazing thinks happen. They aren't even relying on lightening to strike twice since the iPad is an evolution of an existing, wildly successful model.
But let's not pretend it's going to be able to do all that my old laptop did.
I don't think any has implied that - Apple certainly hasn't, they were very clear about where they see the iPad.
This is no productivity machine.
Careful grasshopper - productivity is in the eye of the beholder.
Even the iWorks Touch package is just a sop to sell the "productivity" aspect. Is anybody really going to write papers or edit spreadsheets or make whole presentations on here?
Why not? If I had a proper fold out keyboard for my iPhone like I had with my Palm Pilot, I would be taking notes on it in meetings instead of paper or my (ugh) work laptop. We already know the iPad will have keyboard support. Right now it looks like it can easily do 80% of what the average office work (and I count myself in that category) can do these days. It will be interesting to see just how far it can be pushed.
In a pinch, maybe. But most will do it on a real computer and use this thing for last minute changes or to display their work.
Again, I think you are seriously lacking in imagination. I guess we will see when it ships (when it ships - that has a nice ring vs. all the previous vaporware in this category from other manufacturers).
Agreed. And smart move by Apple. If they added anymore functionality they would have cannibalized their macbook sales. Amazing. The company that wanted to give you one device in your pocket (instead of an iPod and a phone) now wants you to have two in your briefcase (iPad and Macbook)
But see, I rarely need a Macbook when I am on the go. When I go on travel, I no longer take a notebook with me - my iPhone does almost everything I need. An iPad will definitely do everything I need and then some. I regret buying my MBP now - although I will still have uses for it, if I do get an iPad my MBP will see *allot* less action.
Is the attitude really necessary? Keep your fanboy in your pants.
It's not being a fanboy, it's a fact. There are far more non-technical users who haven't been touched by computing, or are barely using "computers" (just like my father) than there are of you and I.
Steve acknowledged as much several years back when he declared the desktop wars over and MS the winner. He's right. I think the success of the iPod woke Apple up to a new and untapped market that is orders of magnitude larger than traditional computers (desktops, laptops, netbooks, etc.) Everything with the iPhone, the SDK, the iPod Touch and now the iPad is marching relentlessly to domination of this sector. The debut of the Apple designed A4 CPU in the iPad is huge. Now not only will vendors not be able to re-create Apple's software ecosystem easily, they won't be able to slap some off-the-shelf parts together and get 90% the way towards what Apple is doing. Here is where Apple will really step away from the pack and start to leave them in the dust. The gap will just widen more dramatically with each generation. The tight integration of Apple's hardware and software will become even more of a self-reinforcing loop than it already is.
Meanwhile you can't even call Google on the phone to get support for Android? And that's a threat? Once Android hits geek saturation, where is it going to grow to? Users like my father certainly won't be buying one!