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post #361 of 429
1/31/10 at 6:40am
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Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post

With intelligent arguments like that, I can see why Apple decided against supporting the world wide standard for online video and interactivity.

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>> you say >> <<supporting the world wide standard for online video and interactivity>>
You say this utopian statement but this was never and will never be a fact , there is no world wide anything.
Well It's a bloody f..ing war out here. Even google stabbed apple in the back for no reason at all and now google will reaped what it sowed by making apple a sworn blood enemy, just like adobe.


So a little history as I see it dude Apple was attacked and abused and shut out of almost everything for decades. MSFT and minions made sure that if a company supported anything apple they company lost msft biz or at least got restricted <<for example intel is still doing this today with AMD >>

MSFT while trying to choke APPLE to death still made sure that it made money off of APPLE, Even today MSFT attacks APPLE one day and the next day improves APPLE branded office SW. As time went on the mere thought of gates being displeased was enough to pull all apple support. Many companies even with no threat hated apple and never supported any thing apple. Verizon goes of its way to not support apple. Look my friend 3 f..ing days ago VERIZON gives a freeWIFI service to all its broadband clients >>EXCEPT OF COURSE MAC-OS>>WVerizon has acted anti-apple for yrs .My point is that because APPLE was forced to rely on its own in house SW people fro every little thing.

So APPLE today creates all its SW . One great example of this >APPLE made sure that everything APPLE is plug and play.EVERYTHING !! So after that many of the walls MSFT threw up against APPLE disappeared. Plug and play as opposed to hours or days of paid tech support to get $60 dollar crap printer to print, non apple clients can't grasp plug and play .

Some yrs ago a odd thing happened the arrogant APPLE SW team need faster support from ADOBE to upgrade ADOBE'S shitty SUITE OF SW <<pre element days >> ADOBE HAD PROMISED AND 18 MONTHS LATER STILL DID NOT FiX BUGS OR PLUGINS. See dude ADOBE was/is as arrogant as APPLE.

ADOBE felt APPLE owed a very large debt to ADOBE, Because of the yrs and yrs of ADOBES APPLES support,
APPLE SOLD TONS OF COMPUTERS > Because of PHOTOSHOP. Every ADOBE update spurred MAC sales. So up yo a point ADOBE is correct.

Still APPLE felt like ADOBE was a large threat with its slow updates . So apple created FINAL CUT PRO , Along with smaller minor SW apps that crossed over into ADOBE world . ADOBE still had not made elements just yet .

Once as APPLE went down this road ADOBE tried to punish apple. In the world of SW this was a magical moment, APPLE cutting loose it main graphic partner. APPLE after that wanted ADOBE blood. Adobe to this day has not bowed, So today with apple millions upon millions of mobile devices being sold from laptops tonanos' Adobe does not sit at APPLE TABLE and comfer what they will add next . ADOBE is on the outside of the fsatest growing comapny on the planet . ADOBE is smaller today .And if Adobe does not MAKE all its programs SNOWY lean and mean ASDOBE WILL Further lose market share .QUICKTIME>X has morphed into a FLASH killer ;

So i said fuck flash, Instead of what i wrote above, Go get CLICK TO FLASH and dis=able all flash banners on your web pages !!.Go to HULU and see how fast it load's ,and just ignore flash ads and simply click on the flash word where the player is. Its fun to screw the google ad people.

Even with this re write it is still kinda poor writing ;I am sorry for that, I even forgot why i wrote all this .
So anyway dude why not stop all your complaining and be ONE OF US , Your valid points are lost if you act so one sided about openness when nothing will ever be open .
NOTHING

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post #362 of 429
1/31/10 at 6:45am
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Originally Posted by OzExige View Post

Toyota? - the same company that just recalled 3M of their 'mobile devices' - lol

Yup, the same one with annual revenues in excess of $250 billion. I think you're missing the point of my argument though.
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post #363 of 429
1/31/10 at 6:58am
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Originally Posted by RichL View Post

Yup, the same one with annual revenues in excess of $250 billion. I think you're missing the point of my argument though.

GM had revenues of $150B when they went bankrupt.
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post #364 of 429
1/31/10 at 7:16am
It's good to review what many thought in 2001, the debut of that "just another mp3" called an iPod.

It's now at the online Apple Store!

$400 for an Mp3 Player!

I'd call it the Cube 2.0 as it wont sell, and be killed off in a short time...and it's not really functional.

Uuhh Steve, can I have a PDA now?

[Edited by elitemacor on 10-23-2001 at 02:33 PM]

from http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=500
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post #365 of 429
1/31/10 at 7:17am
Nice. Yeah, the fuss was incredible. Same for iPhone.

Means it will be a success.

 

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post #366 of 429
1/31/10 at 7:29am
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Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post

So says you - my MPB is sitting in my lap right now. If that's not mobile, I don't know what is. Nokia is fast being pushed into the high volume low margin space. In other words, they aren't a leader but a churner of low margin product. It must hurt to be coming to that realization, but it was their position of dominance to loose.

But SONY's mobile device is a small fraction of what they produce and for Steve Jobs to put up Sony on that list is pure bullseet. Then he mention their camcorders and cameras as if they are mobile devices too? What utter garbage. He's really losing it.
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post #367 of 429
1/31/10 at 7:37am
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Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post

No, I just wish people would stop quoting you - or at the least your entire posts. Time to add the "new" you to my ignore list too...

Hey Doc- Make my day!Too bad- ever hear of skim reading? Feeling whiny?
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post #368 of 429
1/31/10 at 7:38am
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

That may be, or not, but it's a rather useless point.

You can't question SJ's conclusion based on the specific assumption he made. Given his assumption, he is exactly right in what he said. That's the fact. Get over it. Move along (I can't understand why you're so incapable of it).

Since RichL expressed the point I was trying to make more effectively, I thought his post deserved repetition.

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Do you own Apple shares?

No.

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The problem with Steve Jobs' definition of mobile devices is where do you draw the line? Are we going to see the CEO of Toyota going to stand up next week and make similar claims? After all, cars are mobile too. And full of electronics.

Jobs must have known that the world's press would take his sound-bite and repeat it without explaining his non-standard definition. It's clever but misleading.

+1

That's what I was trying to get at.

Moreover, cherry-picking a bunch of stats to all of a sudden make Apple look a lot bigger than it is? I would expect a company that competes in the sale of laptops, cellphones and music players to be a fairly large mobile devices company. I'll bet that few years ago, Sony could have made a similar claim. Would anybody have really cared? Isn't it dominance in each market that's relevant to discussion?
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post #369 of 429
1/31/10 at 7:46am
Nokia should down play this as much as possible because Apple will soon become the biggest mobile device company in the world by any definition. This iPad will sell better than the iPhone since there is essentially no competition for the iPad at this time.

Stay tuned: http://www.apple.com/ipad/notify-me/

1. Every university student will buy one. (Will be required gear in some schools.)

2. Commuters will buy them for reading, entertainment, work etc...

3. Hospitals will use them for patient medical records and other information.

4. Fancy hotel and fancy waiting areas will have them to entertain guests.

5. Delivery companies will buy them for updating delivery status.

6. Fancy restaurants will buy them for interactive menus for ordering food.

7. Businesses will buy them for their employees.

8. Publishers may give them away free for long term subscriptions.

9. Gamers will buy them for big screen mobile games.

10. Many people who can not use PCs can handle can handle this mobile iPad.


Time will tell.
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post #370 of 429
1/31/10 at 7:50am
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Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post

You can get a 3G for $99.

How much longer are most people going to accept "non smartphones"?

No one has ever survived by clinging to the bottom - and if they manage to, it's never pretty.

You do realize that the majority of cellphones sold, even in the developed world are still non-smartphones right? That $99 price tag reads like a sales play from the proverbial used car salesman. Up here in Canada, it comes with a 3 year contract (yes 3, not 2). And for you guys it comes with a 2 year contract. Ditto, I believe for the iPhone in most of Europe. Outside of North America where contracts are just not popular, the iPhone is very, very far from that price. And in such markets, smartphones are going to take a lot of time to gain market share, let alone a premium priced device like the iPhone.


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Ha! You haven't seen the crazy yuppie parents around me! I see kids with them in restaurants all the time (and I'm surprised how many end up being iPhones and not "just" iPod Touches)

Nice that you roam in an affluent crowd. But I just have not seen that anywhere here in Canada or whenever I've visited family in the US. I kid you not. I have not seen any kid below the age of 10 in possession of an iPod Touch or iPhone. Everyone may have anecdotal stories or the odd internet story. But, this is something I have yet to see.

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Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post

With the opening up of the dock connector, I am really surprised that many of the case/sleds with arcade style buttons haven't caught on. Probably has something to do with restrictions on the input manager that don't allow keyboards Perhaps with the debut of the keyboard on the iPad this will trickle back to the iPod and iPod touch and finally allow broad support for accessories like these. If so, the DS is truly toast.

The DS just needs to drop the price. They can easily make the entire DS lineup sub-$100 devices. There is no way Apple would chase Nintendo into that territory.


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For right now, sure. But trends change. Kids are fickle - just ask any parent

True. And they do line up to buy Jobs' gear as soon as they hit the pre-teen stage and music and fashion suddenly become important.
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post #371 of 429
1/31/10 at 7:54am
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Originally Posted by mark2005 View Post

Umm, it's already happening. Search for it in Google and you'll find stories in multiple newspapers and magazines about iPod Touch being given to even 5 year olds. I should add that my 10 year old is waiting for his iPod touch (at least, I'm making him wait for the one with the camera.) He's already asked me to sell all his DS games so he can use the money to buy more App Store games.

Your anecdotes vs. mine?

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By the way, Apple sold about 17m iPod touch units worldwide over the last 9 months of 2009. Nintendo sold about 23.5m units of both DS Lite and DSi worldwide over the same time period.

They compete in different markets. I would expect the iPod Touch to sell more than the Nintendo DS family. Nintendo basically has the kid as a captive audience from about 5-6 years old to about 10-11 years old. That's it. From there, the iPod Touch and the iPhone takes over, for life. I'd say that given the window they have, Nintendo has been quite successful.
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1/31/10 at 7:57am
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2 ;points <<supporting the world wide standard for online video and interactivity>>
you say this utopian statement but this was never and will never be a fact
this is no world wide anything
grow up please ;it is bloody f..ing war out here . even google stabbed apple in the back for no reason at all and now google will reaped what it sowed by making apple a sworn blood enemy just like adobe.


and apple was attacked and abused and shut out of almost everything for decades
msft and crew made sure that if a company supported anything apple they company lost msft biz or at least got restricted <<for example intel is still doing this today with AMD >>
msft while trying to choke apple to death still made sure that it made money off of apple
even to day msft attacks apple one day and the next day improves apple branded office


as time went on the mere thought of gates being dis pleased was enough to pull all apple support
many companies even with no threat hated apple and never supported any thing apple
verizon goes of its way to not support apple
3 f//ing days ago verizon gives a free wifi service to all its broadband clients >>EXCEPT OF COURSE MACOS>>

so my fine feathered friend you post whine bitch cry scream need hope and try to make a sane open world .. good thought ..
except because APPLE has been forced to walk alone except fopr afew companies APPLE HAS created its own support world
one great wexample of this >>>>APPLE made sure that everything apple is plug and play
so all the walls msft threw up disappaered
plug and play as opposed to hours or days of paid tech support to get $60 dollar crap printer to print
non apple clients can't grasp plug and play . look apple is not perfect ..ok..ok ..
ever hear of FILEMAKER PRO ?? the best biz data base SW in the owrld
wins codiac awards every year .. who owns file maker pro ??APPLE DOES !1
why apple hides it inside pacific reports i dunno .

SO as years went by apple got power all the apple fans had kids
little by little apple learned to make legacy products that sell at a higher price .
apple systems after the clone fiasco were completey closed one way but open going the other way
if you own wintel devices apple is never with you
but any apple device can convert any windpow data at will
true fact for 20 yrs now

so in short apple is closed one way open the other . no laws broken
get it ?? apple was attacked and still is so it defended itself by making its user experience wonderful

some yrs ago a odd thing happened the arrogant apple SW team need faster support from adode to upgrade ADODES shity SUITE OF SW <<pre element days >>
ADOBE PROMISED AND 18 MONTHS LATER STILL DID NOT FiX BUGS OR PLUGINS OR

see dude ADOBE was as arrogant as apple > adobe felt apple owed a very large debt to apple over the yrs of adobe apple support from its graphic suite SW . ands that true APPLE SOLD TIONS OF COMPUTERS ..because of photoshop and others . EVERY adobe update spurred MAC sales .

BUT ONCE APPLE STARTED SIMPLE PROGRAMS like iphoto iwork apple worls etc etc
adobe wanted to teach apple a lesson
adobe wanted to punish apple
dude this was a special moment
the world changed after that
apple cut loose its major support and brought forth final cut pro , ADOBE AND APPLE STILL DO HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF CROSS BIZ YEARLY
but adobe lost the war //adobe is dimineshed 'adobe is being slowly cut out of apple world
if adobe make's photo shop a fast lean snowy program that please's apple device buyer's then fine come on in !!

if not apple has its own in house SW
get it
you now enjoy a APPLE rockrt rising with great fast lap tops ipods phones touch pads and the best os ever \\snowy !!!
buit times were bad for us for along bleak winter
we learned apple learned
so0o instead of this boring history lesson my future best buddy
i simply say fuck adobe
flash unless it become less fragmented
flash unless it gets vert very fast lean uplink codes will die
a quick timex movie media player kills any flash player on the world
ok join apple closed world right now
DOWNLOAD click to flash and see what a flashless world is !!
how fast pages open with NO flash ads .
.then go to ABC TV ,COM flash player and try to play BACK A TV EPISODE ,, won't work with click to flash installed . but
.HULU WORKS !! you simply see a banner with flash on it and you click on it and the hulu show starts .
you complain about apple being closed . but apple never stops you from your free choice of whatever you want to do or where ever you want to go
the chinese gov't stops you and now so does ADOBE
get it ??
adobe and flash are now on there way to becoming small items .the future just crushed them ..

dude become one of us !!!

2nd sunday morning rant
time to feed the kids
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What the heck is all that supposed to be? Sorry, gave up trying to read it after 2 lines.

Please learn to proof read, edit, and the basics of punctuation, spelling, and grammer.
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1/31/10 at 8:04am
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Originally Posted by AppleSauce007 View Post

Nokia should down play this as much as possible because Apple will soon become the biggest mobile device company in the world by any definition.

Nokia will always have its dumbphone market. Apple can only outsell them by revenue.

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Originally Posted by AppleSauce007 View Post

This iPad will sell better than the iPhone since there is essentially no competition for the iPad at this time.

Agree. However, that's not to say competition isn't coming. One big benefit of the iPad is that it will help popularize tablet/pad PCs.


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1. Every university student will buy one. (Will be required gear in some schools.)

2. Commuters will buy them for reading, entertainment, work etc...

3. Hospitals will use them for patient medical records and other information.

4. Fancy hotel and fancy waiting areas will have them to entertain guests.

5. Delivery companies will buy them for updating delivery status.

6. Fancy restaurants will buy them for interactive menus for ordering food.

7. Businesses will buy them for their employees.

8. Publishers may give them away free for long term subscriptions.

9. Gamers will buy them for big screen mobile games.

10. Many people who can not use PCs can handle can handle this mobile iPad.


Time will tell.

It'll be successful. But I wouldn't be that optimistic. It'll be a while for tablets to replace traditional textbooks. Hasn't happened so far with laptops, e-readers, podcasts on iPods, etc. As for business use. This is what I've been carping about. If it's more iPod than macbook, how can businesses use it to do what they want with it (like using it to take orders and make deliveries, or access patient records?). That can only happen if Apple is willing to let organizations make and run proprietary apps outside the app store framework. Your other points I pretty much agree with. Though number 8 was odd. Why would publishers give away free long term subscriptions? How are they supposed to make money with that?
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1/31/10 at 8:12am
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2 ;points <<supporting the world wide standard for online video and interactivity>>
you say this utopian statement but this was never and will never be a fact
this is no world wide anything
grow up please ;it is bloody f..ing war out here . even google stabbed apple in the back for no reason at all and now google will reaped what it sowed by making apple a sworn blood enemy just like adobe.

The rest is just way too tiresome to read.

But the points here. You do realize that google started working on Android before Apple launched the iPhone right? And do you really think Apple is innocent here? They are trying to move in Google's bread and butter business with the purchase of a internet advertising company. Google was bound to respond at some point.

As for Flash not being a world wide standard. You're right. It ain't HTML. However, there's no denying that it is all over the internet. And for the vast majority of people, we'd rather see the content (even if it's crap), than be left wondering what that damn blue block was. Don't I get a say in what I should or should not be able to see? It's enough of a pain, that many of my family members who have macs just use Google Chrome or Firefox.
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1/31/10 at 8:14am
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

GM had revenues of $150B when they went bankrupt.

...and you're the second person to miss his point...
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1/31/10 at 8:52am
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...and you're the second person to miss his point...

And, you're the second person to miss the point of post #360 (which was about his point).
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1/31/10 at 9:00am
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The rest is just way too tiresome to read.

But the points here. You do realize that google started working on Android before Apple launched the iPhone right? And do you really think Apple is innocent here? They are trying to move in Google's bread and butter business with the purchase of a internet advertising company. Google was bound to respond at some point.

As for Flash not being a world wide standard. You're right. It ain't HTML. However, there's no denying that it is all over the internet. And for the vast majority of people, we'd rather see the content (even if it's crap), than be left wondering what that damn blue block was. Don't I get a say in what I should or should not be able to see? It's enough of a pain, that many of my family members who have macs just use Google Chrome or Firefox.

tiresome is my middle name

please install click to flash
block out the flash banner ads
and see how fast pages open
you can always click on the flash logo to use what ever is there
apple is not innocent
no one is innocent . who cares
and there is no world wide standard any thing there never was and never will be
they lied to you
this is why cloud computing will one day kill adobe and google
apple is pushing for a single non fragmented web code blocks that look forward and speak to the past and speed info on its way with out a gate keeper at every border
google will lose money if that happens
google needs a closed system for its ads yo be effective
apple will kill the whole ad words and start its own at a very low price and very low band width
if there was then msft would be plug and play and virus would not exist

google stabbed apple in the back
steve jobs went ballistic
to the point apple may brand its own version of bing
google is a one horse show just like adobe
and apple feels fcuked right now by google and apple has 36 bn debt free to use against google
google will be come small very soon . some one will offer cheap fre banner ads palced much netter at a local level
supporting the area from which it came
ie staten island ad dollars will be party plowed back into staten island tax base
that is why google is so desparate to make pc's and phones and all these stupid moves its doing
it knows that its biz model will not last

and apple will help kill it off
wall street is very un forgiving watch goog plunge very son


flash is not blocked on any apple computers you are mistaken // fire fox is cool > chrome is still beta and chrome smell.s of google farts
flash just slows down the net because of poor fat code and ads THAT now look like full fucking movies ..
i wish you luck with your online time and i guess you stop reading me a while ago
so tonight winning lottry numbers are ......70-01-20...

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post #378 of 429
1/31/10 at 9:16am
The Grapher application bundled on the Mac should be ported to the iPad.
It is a great tool for students and pros to view their equations.

It would be a great application for the iPad.

Time will tell.
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1/31/10 at 9:21am
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Not really. In this instance, there is only one right set of numbers. Period. You don't get to pick.

Yes, if a) laptops are counted in and b) revenue is the deciding factor and c) market penetration is not.

Steve chose a definition of his own (not exactly an industry standard definition) and with that particular definition the claim seems to be true. With another set of definitions it wouldn't. When you ask the street layman about what do you think are products of the mobile industry, you'd get a different answer than Steve's.

There's another more fitting definition for devices of the laptop class: nomadic devices. I.E. You can move them, but you use them while stationary. This is a fairly well known term in the mobile industry (where I do work) to distinguish between truly mobile devices and environments (use while moving, working handovers etc. This is true for GSM, CDMA, 3G and LTE networks, not so for WLANs). And I'm aware of 3G dongles and tethering for laptops.

So Steve gets to pick, but no-one else does? Or when "the others" use a more standard definition, they are wrong?

The result is very impressive regardless is Apple or is not the biggest mobile vendor (yet). There's no denying that. And given a few quarters, the way things are going, there will be no argument about which is the biggest mobile vendor by revenue or profit.

At least I now know by what figures Apple is the biggest mobile vendor so I've gotten the data I came here to get.

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1/31/10 at 9:31am
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Please learn to proof read, edit, and the basics of punctuation, spelling, and grammer.

Grammer?
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1/31/10 at 9:32am
We watch online programs all the time without a problem. The problem is in snow. If booted to snow we have to use firefox if booted to leopard, we can use Safari so I think the problem lyre with Safari and most networks and cable use flash.
We Aldo don't consider a dog skateboarding on a skateboard entertainment.


When we can watch shows for free without more than 3 minutes total worth of commercial compared to :17 on TV, we will believe Jobs but right now, 75% of the net depends on flash or xvid, both not supported on the iPhone or ipad, so what Jobs said about holding the net is a lie. He wants you to pay for what is free and was why he tried to get the networks to agree on all you can watch. But they are no fools. They make their own revenue with :15/:30 ads no more then 5 per show and some are flash based and fun to play. Inaddition, watching on a mac allows you to check email and so on during the ads so it needs to be added.

The networks also dint want all you can eat as they sell full season on blue Ray, a huge difference, and one reason blue Ray is not on a mac is once you see the difference, you'll never watch so caled HD from iTunes. I had Mlb last year in the mac and was getting 720 or 1080 interlaced and the 720 P via my HDMI monitor looked like glass. Night and day.


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Originally Posted by brucep View Post

2 ;points <<supporting the world wide standard for online video and interactivity>>
you say this utopian statement but this was never and will never be a fact
this is no world wide anything
grow up please ;it is bloody f..ing war out here . even google stabbed apple in the back for no reason at all and now google will reaped what it sowed by making apple a sworn blood enemy just like adobe.


and apple was attacked and abused and shut out of almost everything for decades
msft and crew made sure that if a company supported anything apple they company lost msft biz or at least got restricted <<for example intel is still doing this today with AMD >>
msft while trying to choke apple to death still made sure that it made money off of apple
even to day msft attacks apple one day and the next day improves apple branded office


as time went on the mere thought of gates being dis pleased was enough to pull all apple support
many companies even with no threat hated apple and never supported any thing apple
verizon goes of its way to not support apple
3 f//ing days ago verizon gives a free wifi service to all its broadband clients >>EXCEPT OF COURSE MACOS>>

so my fine feathered friend you post whine bitch cry scream need hope and try to make a sane open world .. good thought ..
except because APPLE has been forced to walk alone except fopr afew companies APPLE HAS created its own support world
one great wexample of this >>>>APPLE made sure that everything apple is plug and play
so all the walls msft threw up disappaered
plug and play as opposed to hours or days of paid tech support to get $60 dollar crap printer to print
non apple clients can't grasp plug and play . look apple is not perfect ..ok..ok ..
ever hear of FILEMAKER PRO ?? the best biz data base SW in the owrld
wins codiac awards every year .. who owns file maker pro ??APPLE DOES !1
why apple hides it inside pacific reports i dunno .

SO as years went by apple got power all the apple fans had kids
little by little apple learned to make legacy products that sell at a higher price .
apple systems after the clone fiasco were completey closed one way but open going the other way
if you own wintel devices apple is never with you
but any apple device can convert any windpow data at will
true fact for 20 yrs now

so in short apple is closed one way open the other . no laws broken
get it ?? apple was attacked and still is so it defended itself by making its user experience wonderful

some yrs ago a odd thing happened the arrogant apple SW team need faster support from adode to upgrade ADODES shity SUITE OF SW <<pre element days >>
ADOBE PROMISED AND 18 MONTHS LATER STILL DID NOT FiX BUGS OR PLUGINS OR

see dude ADOBE was as arrogant as apple > adobe felt apple owed a very large debt to apple over the yrs of adobe apple support from its graphic suite SW . ands that true APPLE SOLD TIONS OF COMPUTERS ..because of photoshop and others . EVERY adobe update spurred MAC sales .

BUT ONCE APPLE STARTED SIMPLE PROGRAMS like iphoto iwork apple worls etc etc
adobe wanted to teach apple a lesson
adobe wanted to punish apple
dude this was a special moment
the world changed after that
apple cut loose its major support and brought forth final cut pro , ADOBE AND APPLE STILL DO HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF CROSS BIZ YEARLY
but adobe lost the war //adobe is dimineshed 'adobe is being slowly cut out of apple world
if adobe make's photo shop a fast lean snowy program that please's apple device buyer's then fine come on in !!

if not apple has its own in house SW
get it
you now enjoy a APPLE rockrt rising with great fast lap tops ipods phones touch pads and the best os ever \\snowy !!!
buit times were bad for us for along bleak winter
we learned apple learned
so0o instead of this boring history lesson my future best buddy
i simply say fuck adobe
flash unless it become less fragmented
flash unless it gets vert very fast lean uplink codes will die
a quick timex movie media player kills any flash player on the world
ok join apple closed world right now
DOWNLOAD click to flash and see what a flashless world is !!
how fast pages open with NO flash ads .
.then go to ABC TV ,COM flash player and try to play BACK A TV EPISODE ,, won't work with click to flash installed . but
.HULU WORKS !! you simply see a banner with flash on it and you click on it and the hulu show starts .
you complain about apple being closed . but apple never stops you from your free choice of whatever you want to do or where ever you want to go
the chinese gov't stops you and now so does ADOBE
get it ??
adobe and flash are now on there way to becoming small items .the future just crushed them ..

dude become one of us !!!

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time to feed the kids
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1/31/10 at 9:39am
Don't mean to burst your bubble but your points point more toward a device that uses a stylus. No a msachine that will require ipad store apps as a machine like the courier willallow for volume purchasing and deployment, something the ipad can't come close to doing, especially depolyment.

Sign here please for the bill. How.
Sign here for your charts, how.

Your logic makes no sense. To be fair. The Courier is still vapor.


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Nokia should down play this as much as possible because Apple will soon become the biggest mobile device company in the world by any definition. This iPad will sell better than the iPhone since there is essentially no competition for the iPad at this time.

Stay tuned: http://www.apple.com/ipad/notify-me/

1. Every university student will buy one. (Will be required gear in some schools.)

2. Commuters will buy them for reading, entertainment, work etc...

3. Hospitals will use them for patient medical records and other information.

4. Fancy hotel and fancy waiting areas will have them to entertain guests.

5. Delivery companies will buy them for updating delivery status.

6. Fancy restaurants will buy them for interactive menus for ordering food.

7. Businesses will buy them for their employees.

8. Publishers may give them away free for long term subscriptions.

9. Gamers will buy them for big screen mobile games.

10. Many people who can not use PCs can handle can handle this mobile iPad.


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1/31/10 at 10:26am
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Yes, if a) laptops are counted in and b) revenue is the deciding factor and c) market penetration is not.

Steve chose a definition of his own (not exactly an industry standard definition) and with that particular definition the claim seems to be true. With another set of definitions it wouldn't. When you ask the street layman about what do you think are products of the mobile industry, you'd get a different answer than Steve's.

There's another more fitting definition for devices of the laptop class: nomadic devices. I.E. You can move them, but you use them while stationary. This is a fairly well known term in the mobile industry (where I do work) to distinguish between truly mobile devices and environments (use while moving, working handovers etc. This is true for GSM, CDMA, 3G and LTE networks, not so for WLANs). And I'm aware of 3G dongles and tethering for laptops.

So Steve gets to pick, but no-one else does? Or when "the others" use a more standard definition, they are wrong?

The result is very impressive regardless is Apple or is not the biggest mobile vendor (yet). There's no denying that. And given a few quarters, the way things are going, there will be no argument about which is the biggest mobile vendor by revenue or profit.

At least I now know by what figures Apple is the biggest mobile vendor so I've gotten the data I came here to get.

Regs, Jarkko

Ugh. C'mon. When I said 'right set of numbers,' I was referring to the numbers that Apple reported to the SEC. There is only one correct set of numbers there, period.

You are conflating two separate points of discussion: One, whether SJ was 'correct' in his definition of 'mobile'/'portable'/whatever, and two, given his definition, whether his numbers were correct. I was merely referring to the latter, and you know it.

On the former, while it is fair for Nokia to say "but we sell more, we have a higher market share," there is no need to disparage a conclusion SJ arrived at from a specific set of assumptions he chose to make. It would be, for instance, just as valid for SJ to say, "we have the largest revenue of anyone in sales of computers in the $1000+ category," or "we have the largest revenue from music sales to the eskimos" (perhaps I should say Inuit) or whatever.

The fact that his definition has people like you (or companies like Nokia) all in a tizzy tells me that it struck a nerve. Perhaps the larger point is, in a world in which devices such as mobile phones, PMPs, GPS systems, laptops, video-players, etc are converging, that might very well end up being the new definition of 'portable' or 'mobile.'
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1/31/10 at 10:58am
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What the heck is all that supposed to be? Sorry, gave up trying to read it after 2 lines.

Please learn to proof read, edit, and the basics of punctuation, spelling, and grammer.

Regrets dude
I did a re write please try again.
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1/31/10 at 11:25am
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We watch online programs all the time without a problem. The problem is in snow. If booted to snow we have to use firefox if booted to leopard, we can use Safari so I think the problem lyre with Safari and most networks and cable use flash.
We Aldo don't consider a dog skateboarding on a skateboard entertainment.


When we can watch shows for free without more than 3 minutes total worth of commercial compared to :17 on TV, we will believe Jobs but right now, 75% of the net depends on flash or xvid, both not supported on the iPhone or ipad, so what Jobs said about holding the net is a lie. He wants you to pay for what is free and was why he tried to get the networks to agree on all you can watch. But they are no fools. They make their own revenue with :15/:30 ads no more then 5 per show and some are flash based and fun to play. Inaddition, watching on a mac allows you to check email and so on during the ads so it needs to be added.

The networks also dint want all you can eat as they sell full season on blue Ray, a huge difference, and one reason blue Ray is not on a mac is once you see the difference, you'll never watch so caled HD from iTunes. I had Mlb last year in the mac and was getting 720 or 1080 interlaced and the 720 P via my HDMI monitor looked like glass. Night and day.

OMG Are you on a mac or what ??
I am sure flash is a great media player,The ABC TV player is fantastic on my MBP 15 IN . Its fat large ugly flash ads and 5 minute mini movie ads that slow the net down . Also go to ITUNE's and DL a HD episode of BATTLE STAR GALACTICA . You get 2 copeis One for large screen playback and one for your ipod type device. The quality is very very nice .

Last time 720p or 1080 p mean zippo on a ting laptop screen.SORRY

You need to move to 42 IN or larger TV SETS to see a small DIFFERENCE bet the two . The BLURAY ass states this clearly , If you put 1080 p in to a dell laptop /dell will down grade the picture to fit its screen size .IF YOU port from a BR dvd inside your DELL to a largeTV set THEN it will look fantastic on your big screen TV .
Apple Media play back on its new machine's looks fantastic . Older masc lap tops look like shit now ,.
I am a expert !!!
i have for 10 yrs rented a small booth to sell gem stoines on 47 st nyc . and i have 2 laptops on at all times for 10 yrs straight . MY MBP15IN3.02Gz 500G 7200rpm PLAYS movies /internet TV and medias files almost all the time picture perfect , Even some street boots look great . I do this all day every day . i just watched all nine seasons of the X-FILES in a row .AND now i am on BATTLESTAR GALACTICA All 4 seasons 2 movies and a mini series .Fraking great show
I am sure there are high end dells that can match or come close to the new apples media playback.
I wish all you wintel guys the best of luclkwith win7 and all that.

i like my humble apple gear

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as for what steve jobs is doing i get all you have for free too
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on any apple device
but apple can be shitty at times too,
no big deal
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1/31/10 at 11:42am
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It's good to review what many thought in 2001, the debut of that "just another mp3" called an iPod.

It's now at the online Apple Store!

$400 for an Mp3 Player!

I'd call it the Cube 2.0 as it wont sell, and be killed off in a short time...and it's not really functional.

Uuhh Steve, can I have a PDA now?

[Edited by elitemacor on 10-23-2001 at 02:33 PM]

from http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=500

Thanks for that link. I'm still laughing at those comments/predictions about the first iPod ... how ridiculous they look now ... probably how the present day "experts" who fill these boards will look 6 years into the future. Too bad that some people seem to born with no imagination but with plenty of negativity.

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1/31/10 at 11:47am
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You do realize that the majority of cellphones sold, even in the developed world are still non-smartphones right? That $99 price tag reads like a sales play from the proverbial used car salesman.

They had non-contract refurbs over the summer for $99. As time goes on, volume goes up, technology marches on, the price will come down. It won't be long before an unsubsidized $99 3G is a reality. Heck, look at the price of the iPad - it's unsubsidized and almost half what most people assumed it would be.

So, again, just how many years do you think people are going to tolerate non-smartphones? The market has 10 years, if that, left - period. That has to be pretty damn scary for the likes of Nokia.

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Nice that you roam in an affluent crowd.

No, not really. What I would consider typical middle-america. I'm not the only one - others have posted the same in the thread.

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But I just have not seen that anywhere here in Canada or whenever I've visited family in the US. I kid you not. I have not seen any kid below the age of 10 in possession of an iPod Touch or iPhone. Everyone may have anecdotal stories or the odd internet story. But, this is something I have yet to see.

Well, it's out there. Apple has sold literally millions of them - they have to be going somewhere. Perhaps your just not that observant? Just because you don't see them doesn't mean they aren't selling. The MacBook Air, the MacBook that people lacking imagination love to cite as a failure, is still #20 on Amazons list and has been in the top 100 for 233 days by their stats. Just go look at how many Apple laptops are in the top 20. "Domination" is a totally appropriate word to describe their presence in that category. You don't achieve sales like that by just being pretty, flashy or trendy.

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The DS just needs to drop the price. They can easily make the entire DS lineup sub-$100 devices. There is no way Apple would chase Nintendo into that territory.

Apple doesn't have to. Compared to an iPod Touch, the DS is a one trick pony of limited use.

And if they finally do fix whatever issue is preventing accessory makers from releasing the control sleds for the iPhone/iPod Touch that have been floating around, it really will be game over for Nintendo.

Single task devices are toast. Be it the Kindle, DS, stand alone DVD players or basic feature phones... convergence is happening, and far faster and far more reasonably priced than I expected - I figured things would be above $500 for a few more years - but with Apple starting at $500 for the iPad, it's going to come down that much quicker for the entry level model. Which, like with the iPod, iPhone, MacBook, MacBook Pro, iMac - will be the lowest selling model. The vast majority will be in the upper middle or high end. For all the fuss about the entry price, it's amazing how few people buy at the entry price point.

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True. And they do line up to buy Jobs' gear as soon as they hit the pre-teen stage and music and fashion suddenly become important.

It's more than just music and fashion. There is substantial usability and value. Fashion is even more fickle than the kids - Apple wouldn't have sustained the success that they have had over the last decade if it was merely style - there is substance, and it's substantial. To try to dismiss Apple's success as people being attracted to Apple purely because of style, popularity or some other vapid reason is extremely disingenuous and shallow.

And by this time extremely tired. You might as well throw in the word beleaguered and cuddle up with some old John C. Dvorak columns...
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1/31/10 at 11:56am
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Hey Doc- Make my day!Too bad- ever hear of skim reading? Feeling whiny?


Hey TS ... the problem is we all have seen the results when you, under your previous name, tried skim reading ... lowered comprehension ... better to do it right than fast. Like I tell my wife... if your doing it right .. you don't have to do it often.

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1/31/10 at 12:19pm
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Regrets dude
I did a re write please try again.

You're cool, man. Stick to your style. No need for regrets/apologies.
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1/31/10 at 12:29pm
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So, again, just how many years do you think people are going to tolerate non-smartphones? The market has 10 years, if that, left - period. That has to be pretty damn scary for the likes of Nokia.

To take a cue from Steve Jobs, how are you defining "people"? Middle class Americans? 95% of the world's population live outside of North America and their desires may be very different from yours.

Let's remember that Nokia's smartphone market share increased 5% last quarter. Through their partnership with Psion, they invented the term smartphone. Yes, they've got some catching up to do but their brand is still exceptionally strong globally.
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1/31/10 at 1:54pm
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Through their partnership with Psion, they invented the term smartphone.

Yeah, Motorola invented the cell phone as we know it today (improving on prior work done by Lucent's Bell Labs).

Where are they now?

Success can be fleeting. Apple knows that too, more than most, having nearly died once before.
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1/31/10 at 1:57pm
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Regrets dude
I did a re write please try again.

I enjoyed the comments and not as stuck up as our British dude to mention the lame feedback concerning your writing style, cheapest jab in the book. He was the one mentioning name calling and provide cheap shots.

Keep it up dude.
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1/31/10 at 2:00pm
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You're cool, man. Stick to your style. No need for regrets/apologies.

thanks i needed that

my thoughts come out jumbled at times

someone spoke here and said somthing like his touch plays his tv like remote controller

it hit me that the ipad can one day be the ATV of the future
like a general directing content from one HD to a media device of your choosing
when not in use it can have a photo or album art slide show mode



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1/31/10 at 2:09pm
Kotatsu,

Before you make another comment read the articles called Flash wars http://www.appleinsider.com/topics/Flash_Wars.html

It may help you understand why we do not like FLASH.
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1/31/10 at 2:10pm
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I think you're off base here, and not just by a little bit. For at least two reasons.

Firstly, the App store and the iBook store, as extensions of iTMS, exist to help Apple sell hardware. That's their business model, and it's little if any different from how they sell computers. Mac OSX exists to sell Macs. iWork and iLife exist to sell Macs. Do you really believe that the $79 price tag on iLife and iWork covers development and maintenance costs plus Apple's famous 30 something percent margin?

It's no different on the mobile side. Apple maintains that they operate iTMS at slightly above break even. This question was again asked and answered at the earnings conference call last Monday. Check it out for yourself. Most of the revenues from iTMS go to the content providers. Apple's take is enough to cover their infrastructure and give them a small profit for their effort. The main point, from Apples's perspective, is to maintain an ecosystem that adds perceived value to iPods, iPhones, and now the iPad.

There are other benefits as well, such as enabling Apple to better control the user experience by not allowing apps that would degrade performance or create security risks, etc, but this is an aside to your theory regarding Flash.

Think about this, if Apple's primary intent was to make money from iTMS, why then were they so resistant to allowing the music companies to raise the price of music downloads? Apple wants as much content as they can get, and they want it to be affordable. They even promote free apps on the app store. Why? To sell more iPhones and iPod Touches, that's why.

The second point is your forced correlation of Flash with free content. In reality, there is none. Flash can be used to stream video content for fee just as easily as it can be used to stream video content for free. I have no doubt that there is plenty of Flash content being delivered for profit. The other side of the coin is that Flash is not required to stream video at all. Microsoft has streaming technology and Real probably does as well (if they're still in business). Neither of these solutions likely work with iPhone OS, but Quicktime server sure does. You can license QT server and stream free video to your heart's content.

I'm sure Apple will be more than happy to sell you an iPhone, iPod Touch, and soon, an iPad, for you to do nothing but surf free sites with. They make their money selling hardware.

I recognize that Apple makes money from hardware. But is that model going to hold in-perpetuity?

What I find most interesting is the move by Apple into the internet space. They could have easily partnered up with Google to really do cloud computing decently. Tons of people use GMail, Google Docs, Google Calendar, Google Search and Google Maps. Apple could have provided the platform, the OS and easy integration into Google's services. It wouldn't have to spend much to integrate into Google. And would have benefited immensely from all of Googles "content" if you will.

Instead, they chose to compete with Google. First with the cloud (MobileMe). And now they are ramping up the fight by getting into maps and internet advertising, bringing Microsoft onboard with Bing search (and maybe maps), etc. Apple looks like it wants to get into the internet services game.
That's pretty far from hardware and operating systems and even basic cloud services.

Since I like the Apple experience, I normally would not be concerned. But when it's starting to look like Apple is throwing it's weight around, promoting its closed model onto internet services, I am getting more and more worried that Apple is starting to become another Microsoft. The flash incident. The Google voice spat. And the imposition of the more closed idevices model on the iPad seem to me to be symptomatic of a shift in Apple's behaviour. We'll never know for sure if Apple really cares about open standards or their feuding with Adobe just because Flash does threaten some Apple services. I sincerely hope I am wrong on this one. We'll see.
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1/31/10 at 2:20pm
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this is why cloud computing will one day kill adobe and google
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google needs a closed system for its ads yo be effective
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google is a one horse show just like adobe
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google will be come small very soon
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We'll see. But I wouldn't bet against the company that pretty much pioneered many of the services that people use on the net.

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flash is not blocked on any apple computers .

Never said it was. But Apple does do a pretty decent job of keeping flash off its iDevices. I'll be less worried if they allow a browser on the iPad that does accommodate Flash.
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1/31/10 at 2:24pm
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I recognize that Apple makes money from hardware. But is that model going to hold in-perpetuity?

What I find most interesting is the move by Apple into the internet space. They could have easily partnered up with Google to really do cloud computing decently. Tons of people use GMail, Google Docs, Google Calendar, Google Search and Google Maps. Apple could have provided the platform, the OS and easy integration into Google's services. It wouldn't have to spend much to integrate into Google. And would have benefited immensely from all of Googles "content" if you will.

Instead, they chose to compete with Google. First with the cloud (MobileMe). And now they are ramping up the fight by getting into maps and internet advertising, bringing Microsoft onboard with Bing search (and maybe maps), etc. Apple looks like it wants to get into the internet services game.
That's pretty far from hardware and operating systems and even basic cloud services.

Since I like the Apple experience, I normally would not be concerned. But when it's starting to look like Apple is throwing it's weight around, promoting its closed model onto internet services, I am getting more and more worried that Apple is starting to become another Microsoft. The flash incident. The Google voice spat. And the imposition of the more closed idevices model on the iPad seem to me to be symptomatic of a shift in Apple's behaviour. We'll never know for sure if Apple really cares about open standards or their feuding with Adobe just because Flash does threaten some Apple services. I sincerely hope I am wrong on this one. We'll see.

That's exactly backwards, IMO.

Google is an ad company. They make they're money from online adverting, and delivering eyeballs. That's it. That's the business model.

All the rest-- various services, Android, Chrome-- are just efforts to ensure that Google's ad money continues to flow, by locking Google search to a larger computing ecosystem. Mobile Me doesn't' compete with Google, except insofar as Mobile Me doesn't deliver hits. It's a fundamentally different model-- Apple is motivated to make the best possible hardware and software experience they can, because that's their business and how they make money. Google is motivated to make services that are good enough to attract eyeballs who they can then sell to advertisers, because that's their business. Until Apple starts doing it's own ad play, they cannot be said to have been moving into Google's territory, because at the end of the day ads are all Google does.

It's Google that could have chosen to partner with Apple, by doing nothing more than allowing Google search to be the default on Apple's devices. That's all they really want or need, is that ubiquitous search bar.

Instead, they've moved aggressively into the software, OS and mobile hardware spaces, all but guaranteeing a split with Apple. Their gamble is that they can sufficiently overrun the mobile space to make it well worth their while to compete this way. If they miscalculated-- if Apple becomes the dominate mobile vendor and shuns Google-- it will go down as one of the great strategic business blunders of all time.
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1/31/10 at 2:27pm
http://reviews.cnet.com/2300-3121_7-...tag=mncol;thum

above reasons why i should buy a netbook over a iPad, then I should just buy a laptop?
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1/31/10 at 2:31pm
You know something's up when CNET sees fit to run an article explaining why an unreleased product that we don't know much about yet isn't really as good as the stuff they've been using.

If you just step back and consider the mindset that would lead to even bothering to write such an article, let alone run with it, you have to assume the iPad is driving the tech press slowly insane. Maybe they could just start running posts that say "It's a witch!"
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1/31/10 at 2:42pm
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thanks i needed that

my thoughts come out jumbled at times

someone spoke here and said somthing like his touch plays his tv like remote controller

it hit me that the ipad can one day be the ATV of the future
like a general directing content from one HD to a media device of your choosing
when not in use it can have a photo or album art slide show mode



again thanks for the support
i count you and 610 and mel as the top dudes here

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You're welcome. And thanks. I thoroughly enjoy your posts too.

Just so that every newbie that you interact with does not bring this up ad nauseam, I wonder if you might perhaps consider adding something to your signature? E.g., "Hey, get over it: you'll get used to the way I write" (I am sure you could say it far better than I just did!).

Just a thought, fwiw.....
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