Microsoft, Nokia, Nintendo take shots at Apple's iPad debut - Page 2

As with the MacBook Air, lots of people are going to attack this new device with venom purely out of envy; they want it, but cannot admit it.

Just look around the net. Jealousy can really make people say the wildest of things.

As someone who sits at a FCP station editing 8 (or more) hours a day, I have to wonder just how exhausted I would be "playing that piano".

As it is, I wont use a mouse to edit and absolutely must use a tablet (Wacom style), and even then I sometimes have sore arm/shoulder muscles by the end of the day.

What's the record for continuous piano playing anyways?....

Yea, he's right too.

I don't see any reason why Apple is choosing this extremely closed path other than to being control freaks.

Guess now there are two camps, MacHeads and AppleHeads.

AppleHeads are going to be raised up on the App Store.

Such is the way of the world.
I'm upset enough that I can't customize my other appliances. Stupid GPS interface in my car; the configuration of controls and what is/isn't remembered between uses on my kitchen stove, washing machine and dryer; don't get me started on my dumbphone (both cell and house with ridiculous address book systems, caller id, and voicemail interfaces)....

Let's meet later this year when all of them copy the iPad, especially MS with a 10" tablet running Zune OS.

Are you serious? What in the world are you talking about? Are you really upset that you can't view a b.s. Flash add or video attached to an article? Most sites (CNN, Break, FoxNews, NY Time, etc....) now have apps that allow you to view all of their video content if you must see it. Even sites like HULU are developing apps so their video can be viewed on an iPad of iPhone. HTML 5 is where online video is going and the iPad supports this with YouTube HD on teh iPad. If you're referring to shitty Flash games available on the web, NO THANKS! Flash is a resource hog that is also a major security liability! These are both proven and well-known facts.

So what's the next insignificant think you can think of about the iPad and bitch about? No camera or multitasking? Well, as present in new SDK released this week, there is code written for camera support and possible limited multitasking (probably allowing only a few apps to operate at once). Until then, you have push notifications to hold you over on the multitasking (which works wonderfully on my iPhone) and you can always attach an external camera via teh USB adapter accessory if you must have to have a camera. You can even use a bluettooth keyboard and camera if you want.

In other words, stop bitching about the small stuff and concentrate on the hundreds of incredible things the iPad does so well..........like super fast browsing, incredible UI and touch screen, millions of apps, songs, tv/movies, e-books, and other programs like iPhoto and iWorks Touch!

Petty, petty fools out there!

I wouldn't laugh at the competition just yet. I hear the Dell minis are under 10 lbs now and you can video chat with your buddies. How cool is that? You and Timmy studying each other's face in the wee hours...

I am more than happy with just iWork. MS must have been a little surprised by that one.

Have used Office but never will again.

Netbook is not a competition. Of course people can try to fool themselfs, but that doesn't change the fact. And by the way no special multitasking is involved watching movie or listening to music on a train. Not to mention that iPad is far more simple and intuitive, therefore provides better experience. And in my book competition is only possible if both sides are very close in terms of experience and ease of use.

Well said, my friend. Just like the original iPhone, people are quick to point out what the device doesn't do right out of the box and don't think about the many different arenas this sucker can be successful! Many of the issues can be addressed with future software upgrades. I'm with you.....IT'LL BE A WINNER!!!!!

When your primary use is porn it is.

Nice

And a good question. I've already been giving it some thought.
I don't see apple bringing this philosophy to desktops or MBPs anytime soon. They will remain as tools for business and true power users.
If, however, they did such a thing, I can't imagine how it would work. Too many platforms, too much legacy.
So, no, I wouldn't like it (unless Steve told me too\).

A bit off-topic but have you got a ShuttlePro2? I've got one set up for most apps and that lessens the workload on my arms and most importably my right wrist.

But I agree with the previous poster that the iWork UI looks impressive and could be integrated into lots of apps.

I'd call it 'protected'.

I'm going to wait until the 2nd or 3rd Gen. Just like I did for the iPod and iTouch.

1) It's to stop the virus, spyware, trojan apps that plague Windows platforms.
2) Your free to develop an app and have it accessible by 70million touch users - that's not closed is it? Obviously it can't be an app designed for extortion or criminality like you might find on the Android marketplace.
3) Microsoft will be doing this soon. Sony, Nokia and Google already do it this way - why single Apple out?
4) To make a delightful, safe and efficient way to get apps on your kit and give developers a platform to reach customers who LOVE the apps BTW!

+1. There is no need to use click2flash

I'd say the gloves are off - they haven't even got an answer for iPhone yet and that's 3 years old already let alone this NEW thing.

This device represents a new threat - a direction in OS evolutions that they all know they haven't got a solution for.

Remember when the first ipod and the iphone came out how much crap apple got about the devices. Now look.

Since my son got his iPod Touch, he's not used his Nintendo DS once. Nintendo knows that these types of devices are hurting their business model of selling $30 games. Fortunately, for Nintendo, they control the Mario Brothers franchise so if you want these games it has to be an a DS or Wii (he still plays Wii).

As for Nokia and Microsoft, talk about sour grapes! These companies couldn't innovate their way out of a wet paper bag. Microsoft never could, they just copied Apple. But, Nokia? Shame on them for sitting on their arses and not brining anything new or innovative to market. They have become just like the 'old' cell phone makers such as Motorola and Ericsson. Play it safe and bring features to market after it's been validated by other vendors. Neither can compete effectively against Apple, Google, or RIM in smartphones.

Is the iPad perfect? No, far from it. Will Apple sell enough to justify continued investment in the platform? Most likely. One thing I would like to see Apple do is fall on their sword and change the name to something like iTablet or iSlate. While it would be painful and costly, in the short-run, I believe it would be to their benefit in the long run...

Thanks for the funniest post of the day.

I watched video online prior to Flash so it certainly wasn't the originator of video on the web. Now with HTML5 and embedded video you have two high profile video for web companies moving towards HTML5 based players (Google and Vimeo)

I don't play Farmville or flash games. I find them boring.

The iPad isn't going to be for everyone and I accepted that prior to the launch of the product on Wed. Those want to play Farmville or look at Flash porn or whatever are probably better suited on a cheaper and less mobile product.

People will get used to the name, and the childish ones who are calling it all sorts of things will eventually let it go, especially if it turns out to be popular and good.

Apple also sells the device around the world and they needed a name that would be world-wide and easy to catch.

Because the App Store is huge success with its 140,000 apps and 3 billion downloads. Why not build on that success?!

The iPad will open up a whole new generation of apps with shared folders, new gestures, and larger interface area. Don't expect the iPad apps to look and function like the iPhone apps. The iPad apps will be faster, easier to use, and much better. From now to July people will think they don't need one. From July to October they will think why they didn't buy one yet. Just like what happened to the iPhone.

I actually like it. iPad is good for me.

Hello there, If you browse a lot facebook games it will indeed be a problem... but the tendency of many websites and even the likes as you tube are rolling out HTML5 that is supported by Safari. It will take some time to have a large number out supporting it.. but it is the way everyone will go to bring a better product and reduce cost. No software or royalty to pay to Adobe's Flash product/designers. Flash is a Hog.. a really hunger one! Just compare how fast loads HTML5 on You Tube. If a giant like that one went that way others will follow. It is just a better experience without depending on an specific app/standard.

If you account for adds it might be close, but actual content we care to see is probably more like %40.

You know the guys on here talking incessantly about "closed" versus "open" systems aren't seeing the big picture.

When we queue and then dispatch tasks or Todo or whatever you wish to call them there's a workflow that exists. The concern is moving from Point A to wherever the end result is.

The question is, "does anyone really care about open versus closed systems?"

I don't.

A products's merit is wholly based on how easy or efficient it makes from going from Point A to completion of a task. I care not if the system is closed or open and why should I? Neither is inherently supeior to the other.

Some of you have clearly never been in Sales before. You will get nowhere by proclaiming something to be open or closed without providing persuasive data that supports your claims. Consumers don't care. They're used to aligning with systems that produce favorable results regardless of open or closed natures.

There is way too much complaining about what the iPad cannot do. It can do quite a bit and has some nice hardware to do it. I'm buying one, but I can see the benefits it will provide me personally. For all of you iPad haters... Stop hating for a second and think about what your going to be able to do with it once you can jailbreak it.

In related news... Nintendo releases a larger Nintendo DS calling it a revolution...

Uh, no. No uninvited malware on Macs, haven't been for years.

Trojans can come in all sorts of ways, in fact on the App Store right now there are Apps gleaming information and sending it online without your knowledge or consent.


You mean like Google Voice?



Because nobody has closed a computers OS before. Phones are one thing, but computers are designed to be open, until now that is.


Pure Koolaid. I want control over my machine.

If I don't like apps calling out over the internet, letting god knows who know exactly when, what and where I run a particular app, it's my choice to block that communication.

If Apple doesn't allow a app to multi-task or blocks the snitching app from the App Store, then that blocks my RIGHT to run what I want ON MY MACHINE.

Just like Google Voice...

Apple decides what is good for you and you can't decide for yourself.

Is that choice? No it's censorship and control.

Apple has been getting too buddy-buddy with China lately.

Agree.

Begin with Nokia 3390, all you can do were Start and End a call.

Moved on to Communicator? a bigger crap.

then comes wm5 like ATT 8525, too complicated. Could not do any easy task.

and iphone come in and keep me to keep it, from the first to 3GS.

Multitask: I have dual displays (win7) at home like stock broker and left and right, not bad.

Soon: having iPad, and I'll be complete, completely happier...

Wrong. Apple is pushing open standards, like HTML 5, so that no matter what Operating system you run the web & all it's glory will work for you. People want the web to remain more open, but people are not so keen on their computers being open. What people really want is a computer that will do what they expect it to do & do it well. In fact a lot of people really prefer to be able to buy their apps from one place than trying to hunt all over the place for them.

In addition to this people really like the fact that a closed system helps protect them from malware, a threat that has grown so out of control it has even driven some people to avoid the web all together.

You make the mistake of thinking your personal interests are that of everyone else, something that is clearly not hashed out in real life. Apple has blown away the competition because they are able to see what people really desire & not just what they say they want. Microsoft & others have fallen in large part because they try to promise people more than they can deliver & what they deliver doesn't even perform up to expectations as advertised.

Example:

Take any windows mobile device or even a windows tablet computer & try actually working with the multitouch. It looks so fantastic in the commercials, almost like the computer knows what I'm doing before I do it! Then I get the thing in my hand & it's a different story. stretching images is unreliable, responsiveness is not snappy, accuracy varies wildly, and over all you just get frustrated because you can't figure out how to get it to do what you saw in the commercial!!

Now take the iPhone, iPod Touch, or the iPad. What they demo for you isn't flashy, it's practicality with a nice clean finish. It's responsive & smooth. It's clean & easy. It's accurate & intuitive. It is what it is advertised to be, no surprises except when I find it exceeds what I originally thought it capable of.


The iPad may not do everything possible in the world, but what it does it does very very well! In the end that is what impresses people. No half met promises, no useless glitter that will wear off after only a few hours of use, it just works.

The upcoming Adobe CS5 suite utilizes a next-gen graphics format called FXG (Flash XML Graphics). It is an enhanced version of SVG supporting vector based graphics including Illustrator formats. It also has the capability of storing vector based animations found in flash.

The main feature about this new format is its HTML5 ready. It utilizes CANVAS tag as a vehicle and javascript (renderFXG.js) to have the ability of Flash including animations without any flash plugins.

According to Wikipedia: "The FXG rendering model follows very closely the Flash Player 10 rendering model and exposes all graphics capabilities of the Flash platform as well as offering expandable support to accommodate future capabilities of the Flash Player"

Here is a demo showing what Flash CS5 can do:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v69S22ZBBqA
Skip to 3:30 to see Flash exporting to HTML5

More info:
http://kevinsuttle.com/how-adobe-mad...d-future-proof

The passengers aboard the Titanic have just realized that their "unsinkable" ship is taking on water. Time to start dissing the iceberg

It seems like a pretty solid product, too bad it's a bit on the expensive side.


I don't know about Final Cut anything, but I'd like them make iMovie for iPad like interface. Editing videos (and audio) is a very click-intensive exercise, and it seems that a touch interface might cut down the work by a large margin, possibly replacing multiple clicks with single gestures. Maybe next version, I don't know if the current A4 chip is efficient enough at encoding video.


Whether we like it or not, people seem to be accepting closed systems well enough, there was a time where the computer was where most games were played, now game play is a lot more heavily weighted towards consoles and similarly closed handheld systems.


The file system doesn't have to be confusing. Not having a file system works fine if you don't have a lot of files, and you don't need to segregate files by project.


The only issue I see there is that you need to close the newspaper app to get to the remote, then close the remote app to get to the newspaper app. And hopefully both apps remember their state well enough so you don't have to do anything to get back to where you left off.


I've never understood why people think that is a good argument. OS X doesn't have that problem, why would iPhone OS suddenly be at risk?

Remember this? Now think iPad.

Classic!!

"If you build it, they will come"

--- Field of Dreams

"If Steve builds it, we will come....... and bitch, and whine, and complain, and tell you 47 ways to Sunday why it will fail"

--- The Field of AI Trolls


:-p

I would have loved a shot of CPU usage just to see. Great post though, thanks!