Microsoft, Nokia, Nintendo take shots at Apple's iPad debut - Page 3

How ironic, Google Voice was a app that did exactly what you say, get from Point A to Point B better than anyone else, but Apple banned it.

I can hear it now a few years from now...

"Anyone who wants choice is going to chose Windows."

It's a shame that jail breaking of the iPad will be mainstream, soon as people find out they can run this app or that app, they will be jail breaking and their machines will be insecure, and the machines they hook up too as well.

I like this concept. I was REALLY disappointed at first because being a programmer I don't like anything making my life easier at the sacrifice of not being able to do anything I want. Iphone is different, I really don't care about the restrictions because it is so small I wouldn't think about hacking it. But I look at the iPad as a computer like I look at a notebook.

If I change my perspective to more what you are saying, it becomes more acceptable. Like Steve said in the keynote." ...just go to kitchen where the iPad is and check the movie times... or whatever." Since there is apparently no user profiles and it is to be shared among the family, it needs to be a really simple device that even a child could use. From that perspective, I might buy one.

This is really pointless drivel. It is like a cop giving you a speeding ticket because you were going to speed based on your rate of acceleration.

However, to answer your question. Maybe. It would all depend on the implementation and if Apple allowed competing programs or not. On one hand a central distribution system would be really handy, but I'd probably still want another means of installing programs. A bonus to a Mac App store would be cheaper (possibly free) OS updates and cheaper hardware if Apple made enough from their cut of software sales.

Something you failed to mention in your statement is that Apple has been loosening restrictions on the app store for a while now, and the iPad SDK apparently allows you to drag and drop files onto a shared drive that shows up on the iPad and mounts on computers. So is Apple really trending in the direction you suggest anyway?

"Wait they did not have any real smart phones when the iphone came out." Umm... the N95 was out long before the iPhone and to this day, still competes based on specs and even though I have a iPhone 3GS there are still many features that I miss dearly from my N95 such as a 5mp camera, a front facing camera for video chat, a Flash, Adobe flash support and ask Apple where you can get an app like JoikuSpot for your iPhone.

You shouldn't make comments about things you obviously know nothing about. The iPhone is nice but, it certainly was NOT the first smartphone they, just are smart enough to make dumba$$es like you believe their BS.

Oh what nonsense. Where are the open standards on the iPad? The thing doesn't even have an industry standard USB connector! So lets say someone comes over with their holiday snaps on a USB stick, or I take some work home on a thumb drive... what next? I'll just plug the USB stick in, drag the files to the desktop... oh hang on...

Or here's another common useage scenario - a non techy person buys an iPad, believing the ads that it's netbook replacement. They go (in the UK) BBC iPlayer, or (in the US) Hulu. Oops, no flash. Two of the most popular sites in the world rendered utterly useless. So they go to Facebook. They see pretty much all their friends playing farmville, poker, and many other facebook apps. They want to play too. Ooops, flash required again!

They give up, and decide to browse some non flash sites, ignoring the giant missing flash plug-in boxes all over the place. They receive an IM from a friend, but oh no, they have to quit Safari just to reply to an IM... That can't be right, can it? They send their message and go back to Safari. Another message comes in, so they quit again, load IM again, and repeat. Pretty soon that gets awfully tiring.

Never mind, their relative in some distant land has sent their Skype ID over so they can have a video chat.. Oops, no Skype on the iPad, no camera either!

Disappointed, the average non-techy user takes the iPad back, and buys a cheap Win7 laptop.

Like it or not, even for very average users the iPad is a dud.

You know. I was thinking about the limitations of the iPad. How do you store files on it? Why no USB2 port? 64 GB flash memory max?

I was watching the keynote and the demo of iWork. I kept thinking, how did these files that they're playing with get on the iPad? How do you build one of these files from scratch using the iPad? Where are these files stored?

Lots of questions.

But you know what? I started thinking about the first Macintosh, this little box with this little screen and this device for your hand, tethered to the little box. What's with this graphical interface and how do you enter commands and tell it what you want to do?

Although I think the iPad currently has limitations (it can't function as a standalone device without an actual computer to sync with and obtain files from), I see a lot of potential. It will take some time for people to get used to a different way of doing things but eventually, creative minds will develop apps that will fully take advantage of it's features (like what happened with the iPhone/iPod Touch) and we will start to understand this potential.

I see homes with a base computer/server with iPads that can grab files via the server whenever necessary, with few or no local files. When on the road, these same files can be accessed through the Internet via WiFi, 3G, or satellite. That way, you are never away from any of your documents, which are all saved on your home server (with backup of course). As someone else suggested, there is no file directory (and no need for one) as each app would simply access its respective files transparently. You wouldn't click on the file to open the app. You would use the app to access the file. And this would just be the where things start.

Isn't this already happening anyway? Don't we just have to transition to completely thinking in this manner?

I dunno. Just some thoughts?

For the record:
2.758B - revenue from Macbooks
3.391B - revenue from iPods
5.578B - revenue from iPhones (not including deferred)
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11.747B in USD; converted to euros = 8.46B > 8.18B
and that's excluding App Store sales, since Apple doesn't split apps/media sold to the iPhone/iPod touch from media (songs/videos) sold to the desktop. Add that in and its 9.3B.


Let's try another measure that actually makes money for Apple's ecosystem partners: Nokia announced the Ovi store has reached the rate of 1m downloads a day. Apple is downloading just apps at the rate of 10m a day.

Nokia's average selling price for all those phones are 63 euros or 87.33 USD. Apple's average selling price for its mobile devices is 368.37 USD or 265.74 euros. Nokia only sold 4.6m N-series phones this last quarter, after selling 11.4m two years ago. The trend is clear - Apple has moved into the high-end, and Nokia has the low-end.

We've seen that story before - Hey, Mikey, how's Dell doing these days?

Really? Wow! My iPhone must run flash then every time I watch youtube!

Hmmm.

Before the iPhone was released, how many people did you see using them on the train? 0?

Now, since its release, how many people on the train do you see using an iPhone?


Before the iPad is released, how many people do you see using them on the train? 0?

Now, jump forward to December 2010; how many people on the train do you see using an iPad?

Watson is the sacrificial lamb, pushed out there to make non-sensical statements.

How many 3rd-party apps are available for the Zune HD? How many 3rd-parties have even been allowed to publish?

The App Store has approved over 140000K apps from around 30000k publishers. I'd bet that less than 500 non-copyright-infringing apps have been banned. Sure sounds fairly open to me.

I know that Nintendo is supposed to put on a straight face, but really?

My little sister bought a Nintendo DS, it's not horrible, but it feels pretty cheap, not very stiff. It's too bad that Nintendo likes to use such tiny buttons. The buttons on the original GBA seem to be the last decent buttons I've seen on a Nintendo controller. I had to mod in a backlight into a GBA because the clamshell successor's buttons just didn't feel good and the reaction time was noticably slower. I could only get to level 9 on Tetris with the SP, regular GBA I could get several levels higher a lot more easily.

I totally agree.

And I'm a machead from the earliest Apple IIe days and Typing Tutor.

I created a dungeon maze game on my Commador 64 as a kid. Sprites? remember Sprites?


iPad = creatives run amock and a marketing department that has no females.

Is that the best you could come up with? Have fun watching any online video that isn't from YouTube on your iPad.

The N95 is barely a smartphone/PDA . My Motorola flip phone did everything that this thing does well not the maps.
Flash support to this phone was added after in 2008 not at the release. Seriously you should do YOUR research.

That's the genius of it...

Always leave them wanting more...

That is why the word "Pro" was invented...

MacBook

MacBook Pro

iPad

iPad Pro...

iJealous

right on...

What part of "a new sector" in computing is so hard to understand?

The vast majority of users of these devices (and that includes phones) don't give a hoot about file systems, or hard drives or OSX or any of the other stuff that most of the pundits here are throwing around. The people that will buy this (and that includes me) like the BEAUTY and SIMPLICITY of the iPhone/Touch/soon to be iPad experience. That's all it's about. Oh...and stunningly beautiful and well manufactured hardware too.

Advice for Power users: don't buy the iPad, it's really that simple. Another manufacturer will come along and slap your latest desktop OS on some pretty screen, give you all the ports and slots you want, and you'll be able to stay up late working on it writing your next novel or coding up some Flash.

OMG, if I hear more whining over the "fascist Apple ecosystem" my head will explode. Clearly, if you're that afraid of it then guess what: YOU HAVE A CHOICE AFTER ALL. Don't buy it!

And is there some reason you can't have your Win 7 tablet?
Bon Apitite, and STFU. Nobody here cares that you want a Windows machine. This is Apple Insider. Go buy all the Windows machines you want, and enjoy.

Wow, the iPad hasn't even been officially released yet. Hold these comments until you know what you're talking about (ie. the damn thing has been released).

What a load of rubbish? That's like saying that if Apple doesn't allow me to run three copies of Firefox simultaneously, or does not allow any program at all to overwrite shared kernel memory ... then that blocks my RIGHT to run what I want ON MY MACHINE.

It may be news to you, but when you buy a computer running Windows, MS decide what you can and can't do on it as enforced by the OS. Apple do the same. So do IBM. So do ... fill in the blank. You have no 'right', you have the choice, on ANY computer you use, to do what the manufacturer of the OS allows you to do. That's it. If you don't like that then buy another computer. Or you could write your own OS that allows you, and any other app writer, do anything at all that they choose on your computer as that's 'THEIR RIGHT'.

Sigh.

Well then enjoy your clunky interface. Multi tasking is one update away for iphone OS.


I don't understand the whole "closed" argument. There are many many thousands of aps. How is the system closed? Just because Apple wants to approve the AP doesn't really make it closed. JB you're phone and STFU already.


Here you are grossly mistaken and using hyperbole. Iphone OS is primitive? you're kidding right? Justify you're thinking. More open than a Commadore. LOL


Yes, because I would know that the apps will run as expected on a specific device and future development is accelerated as the device features are expended. Kind of like with IE and how MS doesn't encourage their users to upgrade. How can the device ever evolve if legacy software is holding it back. Apple has made the right call here for a number of reasons.


What the hell is farmville? Look, you are living in a bubble. The market for flash games is pretty insignificant even if you and all of your friends are into it. The vast majority (more than 90%) don't care about flash games. Many of the best flash games from developers like cartoon network are available in iphone App anyway and game developers would probably rather charge a buck or two for their trouble than post a damn game for free.

Further, clinging to flash as a video delivery method is akin to the the world clinging to fossil fuels. If it's inefficient and and comes with too many external costs another methodology has to be explored.



implying that Apple is "buddy buddy" with china because they want to censor, control and spy on people? LOL You need to get out more and stay away from conspiracy nuts on the web.

By your logic, if analytics are akin to "spying" then I hope you don't use google, yahoo, or bing. I hope that you don't use a charge cards of any sort, have a social security number or a driver's license.

I also hope that you don't have your own website, because you are effectively "spying" on other people by your reasoning. I hope you've never updated you're computer or reported a software crashes.

There are so may ways to create a profile of you I'd worry less about Apple and more about the IRS.

Logging IP's and other info to find out what computers and browsers people are using or what part of the country they are from isn't spying. In fact web developers would say that in makes their job easier to understand the clients needs. same goes for App Devs.

Come out of the dark brother, because you've turned into a troll.

...and they both still serve discreet functions. You really shouldn't use a nail for what a screw is supposed to do vice versa. I think the same applies here.

Just like how Verizon, Sprint and Miscrosoft all criticized the iPhone.

Is that a bad thing? I dream of the day when devices like this are common and inexpensive. We should be welcoming competition, embracing it as consumers. It usually results in good things for us.

Ok. http://vimeo.com/blog:268

I have no idea why Apple, or Steve didnt announce this at the event but there is way to share documents between applications.


I suspect that Apple will allow limited multi-tasking and probably before release too, but if not version 3.2.1 of the software - its the kind of restriction that makes sense on an iPhone but not on an iPad but as far as I know nobody knows whether they have that restriction, or not, it just seemed that they did because the method of exciting the applications was to hit the home screen. As with the iPhone.
We have no idea if technically one of those applications can launch a helper application, or not. It may be able to. Either way an unlocked version will - which is, of course - not a big deal in this case ( unlocking, I mean).

As for the rest of your arguments, there will be an iPlayer iPad application - I think there is an iPhone application as it is, if so tis done. If not, it will be. That will be true of all websites who want to run on an iPad ( the thing will not be the best for porn but what ya gonna do?). That possibly small percentage of facebook users who dont want to just update on the FaceBook application but want to use Flash are not in luck. What they should do is not buy an iPad. Problem solved and let's move on.

(And given the hysterical over-reaction to the lack of Flash on the iPad I expect that my 96 year old great-granny will be talking about this next time I visit the home. Nobody can claim they didnt know.)

Meanwhile, the rest of us will make do with a empty plugin sign where once their could have been an annoying flash add. We will live with that. We could also live without farmville - after all most people do.

As for the Openness, or not, of the platform. The people who give a sh*t are not the market. When an aged relative of yours asks whether to buy the iPad with its ( then 500,000) applications, or a Linux notepad with it's 26 applications ( 512 if you know how to use a make file and install.sh) and you promote the openess of the OS with less applications they will probably ignore you. Well unless they like futzing around with install.sh.

And as usual, as with the people who bemoaned the iPhone's lack of Blah or Foo, or blahFoo; you miss the most important point. How does the entrie thing integrate? How does the software work in real lives, in real hands?

We will know when we see it. Ask late iPhone adopters - I was a Fan boy but most werent - they tried it out and bought it. That too, here.

And Flash bedamned. We dont care. Future iPhone users don't care. Possibly Flash devs care.

Yawn...

Flash back a few years: "iPhone? iPhony, more like. It may not be "pretty" like the fan boys love, but at least my Windows Mobile phone has cut and paste, a decent camera, and runs all my business centric apps."

Then just repeat your list of "missing features" over and over and over again, as if you were making a coherent argument. Post your list 10, 20, 100 times per thread, that way everybody will learn and come to agree with you.

That'll work.

I don't know, but it was pointed out during the Keynote by his Royal Steveness that the iPad Pages files were compatible with the Mac versions. Obviously that remark would have no meaning if the Mac Pages files couldn't make it usefully onto the iPad and vice versa. Yet to be revealed I suppose. Watch this space.

I actually agree with some of this - not deal-breakers by any means but ;

1) Adobe fix flash FFS and Apple will have to put it in the browser (Adobe have brought this on themselves)
2) Apple In iPhone OS 4.0 permit 'concurrent' Multi-tasking for Mail, Safari and Ipod App and ONE designated Chat app only (Chat app identified and allocated in settings from your app list). Create a gesture that 'flips' between them. Draw a anti-clockwise circle for left, clockwise for right or something.
3) USB is moot - email or use iPads' file sharing built in
4) To late to get a front facing camera this generation - not essential in my mind would have been smart though for video iChat - though the iPhone 4 better have one!

Yes they are very poor competition. I have the latest and greatest netbook and it sucks. The only reason I have it is because I did not want to spend money on a laptop but needed a Windoze machine for a few things.

JDS

It is if they criticize Apple for putting iPhone OS on the iPad then they go a head and do the same thing. But again, that won't be MS first.

Don't laugh. I've had that happen before and the judge enforced it. I was at a stop and accelerated quickly to just below the speed limit to keep up with my wife in the car ahead of me. Even though I got pulled over doing 45 mph in a 45 mph zone and I was heading into a 55 mph zone (about 200 ft in from of me and the cop by the time I got pulled over) the cop said I accelerated too quickly and gave me a ticket. "Reckless driving" I believe.

Goes to show you Stalin is in all of us.

Analytics is just a fancy word for spying on people and I have methods in place to block them, something I wouldn't have with a locked device like a iPad.



Those I do have, but I restrict who has access to that information.



Yes I did, but I certainly didn't collect information on people outside of hit counts.



That I do, as my machine doesn't have personal information on it. Although Apple could cross reference my id with purchase records, that's no guaranty that the machine is me.



Trying to scare me? Think I got something to hide because I value my privacy?

When was the last time you masturbated? Please tell us all. It's just analytics!

Yea, I thought so. Your quick to forget something you take for granted.

(not serious, children may be watching and I don't want people puking on their keyboards)




That's not the information I'm talking about, it goes beyond that, gleaming Address Book info and other things.

You should really study up on the lack of privacy issues of iPhones and Apps.

There is a nice PDF floating around that describes the security and privacy issues with the iPhone/Apps. You might find it in the AI iPhone forum. I won't provide a link, because you wouldn't believe it anyway.

You say that like its a BAD thing!!! LMAO

My vote is for "iVue" but then just about anything would be better than iPad.

The whole point of the cloud is that it's os agnostic. You can access any content from any os with a plugin. With the ipad you are locked into iTunes. If I want to watch caprica a day acerbic it comes out I have to buy it from iTunes. If I had flash I could watch it for free

iTunes is too much of a cash cow so apple is building a walled garden like it did in the 1980's.

With my iPhone flash isn't that big a deal since it's mostly a cell phone. With a tablet I expect laptop features and freedom.

Stop posting. You look like an ignorant fool.

Well, you'd probably want a keyboard also. So just get a MacBook or if you want it thinner and lighter, a MacBook Air.

The iPad is a different class of product - like others have said, it is an appliance for doing specific things, but not for computer/OS tinkerers or software geeks (unless you're writing apps for it, in which case, you still need a Mac). Many people haven't realized yet that all they need is this appliance, they don't really need a computer like a Mac or PC.

DigiTimes reports that several Asian notebook manufacturers were taken by surprise by the unexpectedly low entry-level $499 price point for Apple's iPad, forcing them to reconsider how they will price upcoming tablet models.
The vendors originally planned to offer prices pegged at 20-30% lower than the Apple iPad, while they generally expected the device to cost as much as US$1,000. The US$499 entry-level price has caught vendors by surprise and means they will now need to adjust their price scales even lower to attract consumers, the sources pointed out.

The report notes that manufacturers are reluctant to undercut the iPad price and start a pricing war for fear of eliminating profit margins even before the industry can really take hold. The fears seem justified in light of plunging netbook prices, which have reduced profits in that segment to razor-thin margins even as unit sales have exploded.

Reports as long as ago as last August claimed that tablet manufacturers were holding off on new designs for their products until they could see what Apple's contribution to the market would be.