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You know the guys on here talking incessantly about "closed" versus "open" systems aren't seeing the big picture.

When we queue and then dispatch tasks or Todo or whatever you wish to call them there's a workflow that exists. The concern is moving from Point A to wherever the end result is.

The question is, "does anyone really care about open versus closed systems?"

I don't.

A products's merit is wholly based on how easy or efficient it makes from going from Point A to completion of a task. I care not if the system is closed or open and why should I? Neither is inherently supeior to the other.

Some of you have clearly never been in Sales before. You will get nowhere by proclaiming something to be open or closed without providing persuasive data that supports your claims. Consumers don't care. They're used to aligning with systems that produce favorable results regardless of open or closed natures.



How ironic, Google Voice was a app that did exactly what you say, get from Point A to Point B better than anyone else, but Apple banned it.

I can hear it now a few years from now...

"Anyone who wants choice is going to chose Windows."

It's a shame that jail breaking of the iPad will be mainstream, soon as people find out they can run this app or that app, they will be jail breaking and their machines will be insecure, and the machines they hook up too as well.
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The future Apple seems to be headed towards is one of the information appliance... think cloud computing and app-focused... where all you have is applications and they manage their own files. No confusing file system exposed to the user.

I like this concept. I was REALLY disappointed at first because being a programmer I don't like anything making my life easier at the sacrifice of not being able to do anything I want. Iphone is different, I really don't care about the restrictions because it is so small I wouldn't think about hacking it. But I look at the iPad as a computer like I look at a notebook.

If I change my perspective to more what you are saying, it becomes more acceptable. Like Steve said in the keynote." ...just go to kitchen where the iPad is and check the movie times... or whatever." Since there is apparently no user profiles and it is to be shared among the family, it needs to be a really simple device that even a child could use. From that perspective, I might buy one.

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Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post

Oh and a quick question for those defending the iPad. If Apple ever re-engineered the Mac to only run Apple approved apps from a Mac iTunes store, would you still support Apple?

Serious question. It's the direction Apple are moving in, so it's not impossible to imagine that happening.

This is really pointless drivel. It is like a cop giving you a speeding ticket because you were going to speed based on your rate of acceleration.

However, to answer your question. Maybe. It would all depend on the implementation and if Apple allowed competing programs or not. On one hand a central distribution system would be really handy, but I'd probably still want another means of installing programs. A bonus to a Mac App store would be cheaper (possibly free) OS updates and cheaper hardware if Apple made enough from their cut of software sales.

Something you failed to mention in your statement is that Apple has been loosening restrictions on the app store for a while now, and the iPad SDK apparently allows you to drag and drop files onto a shared drive that shows up on the iPad and mounts on computers. So is Apple really trending in the direction you suggest anyway?
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"Wait they did not have any real smart phones when the iphone came out." Umm... the N95 was out long before the iPhone and to this day, still competes based on specs and even though I have a iPhone 3GS there are still many features that I miss dearly from my N95 such as a 5mp camera, a front facing camera for video chat, a Flash, Adobe flash support and ask Apple where you can get an app like JoikuSpot for your iPhone.

You shouldn't make comments about things you obviously know nothing about. The iPhone is nice but, it certainly was NOT the first smartphone they, just are smart enough to make dumba$$es like you believe their BS.


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Let the Drama begin....


This is all free publicity.


Nokia mad at the iphone taking a lot of their smartphone shares. Wait they did not have any real smart phones when the iphone came out. So far they have lost all their lawsuits.

Microsoft mad at the iPod and not being able to complete. The Zune wow what was a success.

Nintendo is mad because the iphone/ipod touch games look and run better and cost a lot less their the DS and Gameboy games. So they are mad because they are loosing market shares in the hand held gaming plat form. Hay stop regurgitating Pokemon, well if they do at least update the graphics.


Go Steve...
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Originally Posted by hezekiahb View Post

Wrong. Apple is pushing open standards, like HTML 5, so that no matter what Operating system you run the web & all it's glory will work for you. People want the web to remain more open, but people are not so keen on their computers being open. What people really want is a computer that will do what they expect it to do & do it well. In fact a lot of people really prefer to be able to buy their apps from one place than trying to hunt all over the place for them.

In addition to this people really like the fact that a closed system helps protect them from malware, a threat that has grown so out of control it has even driven some people to avoid the web all together.

You make the mistake of thinking your personal interests are that of everyone else, something that is clearly not hashed out in real life. Apple has blown away the competition because they are able to see what people really desire & not just what they say they want. Microsoft & others have fallen in large part because they try to promise people more than they can deliver & what they deliver doesn't even perform up to expectations as advertised.

Example:

Take any windows mobile device or even a windows tablet computer & try actually working with the multitouch. It looks so fantastic in the commercials, almost like the computer knows what I'm doing before I do it! Then I get the thing in my hand & it's a different story. stretching images is unreliable, responsiveness is not snappy, accuracy varies wildly, and over all you just get frustrated because you can't figure out how to get it to do what you saw in the commercial!!

Now take the iPhone, iPod Touch, or the iPad. What they demo for you isn't flashy, it's practicality with a nice clean finish. It's responsive & smooth. It's clean & easy. It's accurate & intuitive. It is what it is advertised to be, no surprises except when I find it exceeds what I originally thought it capable of.


The iPad may not do everything possible in the world, but what it does it does very very well! In the end that is what impresses people. No half met promises, no useless glitter that will wear off after only a few hours of use, it just works.

Oh what nonsense. Where are the open standards on the iPad? The thing doesn't even have an industry standard USB connector! So lets say someone comes over with their holiday snaps on a USB stick, or I take some work home on a thumb drive... what next? I'll just plug the USB stick in, drag the files to the desktop... oh hang on...

Or here's another common useage scenario - a non techy person buys an iPad, believing the ads that it's netbook replacement. They go (in the UK) BBC iPlayer, or (in the US) Hulu. Oops, no flash. Two of the most popular sites in the world rendered utterly useless. So they go to Facebook. They see pretty much all their friends playing farmville, poker, and many other facebook apps. They want to play too. Ooops, flash required again!

They give up, and decide to browse some non flash sites, ignoring the giant missing flash plug-in boxes all over the place. They receive an IM from a friend, but oh no, they have to quit Safari just to reply to an IM... That can't be right, can it? They send their message and go back to Safari. Another message comes in, so they quit again, load IM again, and repeat. Pretty soon that gets awfully tiring.

Never mind, their relative in some distant land has sent their Skype ID over so they can have a video chat.. Oops, no Skype on the iPad, no camera either!

Disappointed, the average non-techy user takes the iPad back, and buys a cheap Win7 laptop.

Like it or not, even for very average users the iPad is a dud.
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You know. I was thinking about the limitations of the iPad. How do you store files on it? Why no USB2 port? 64 GB flash memory max?

I was watching the keynote and the demo of iWork. I kept thinking, how did these files that they're playing with get on the iPad? How do you build one of these files from scratch using the iPad? Where are these files stored?

Lots of questions.

But you know what? I started thinking about the first Macintosh, this little box with this little screen and this device for your hand, tethered to the little box. What's with this graphical interface and how do you enter commands and tell it what you want to do?

Although I think the iPad currently has limitations (it can't function as a standalone device without an actual computer to sync with and obtain files from), I see a lot of potential. It will take some time for people to get used to a different way of doing things but eventually, creative minds will develop apps that will fully take advantage of it's features (like what happened with the iPhone/iPod Touch) and we will start to understand this potential.

I see homes with a base computer/server with iPads that can grab files via the server whenever necessary, with few or no local files. When on the road, these same files can be accessed through the Internet via WiFi, 3G, or satellite. That way, you are never away from any of your documents, which are all saved on your home server (with backup of course). As someone else suggested, there is no file directory (and no need for one) as each app would simply access its respective files transparently. You wouldn't click on the file to open the app. You would use the app to access the file. And this would just be the where things start.

Isn't this already happening anyway? Don't we just have to transition to completely thinking in this manner?

I dunno. Just some thoughts?
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Mark Squires, head of social media Nokia, said that Jobs' comments and media coverage of it made his blood pressure rise. Jobs specifically named Nokia, and alleged that Apple's $15.6 billion in revenue last quarter made it bigger than Samsung and Sony as well. Squires post entitled "A Fruit Confused?" was his attempt to "set the record straight."

Squires said that Nokia's devices and services business earned 8.18 billion euros from October to December 2009, while Apple took in 7.25 billion euros from its mobile products.

For the record:
2.758B - revenue from Macbooks
3.391B - revenue from iPods
5.578B - revenue from iPhones (not including deferred)
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11.747B in USD; converted to euros = 8.46B > 8.18B
and that's excluding App Store sales, since Apple doesn't split apps/media sold to the iPhone/iPod touch from media (songs/videos) sold to the desktop. Add that in and its 9.3B.

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"The difference between the two companies is even larger if you use the more common measure: the number of devices sold," Squires wrote. "by that comparison, Nokia has been the largest mobile devices company in the world for a dozen consecutive years."

Let's try another measure that actually makes money for Apple's ecosystem partners: Nokia announced the Ovi store has reached the rate of 1m downloads a day. Apple is downloading just apps at the rate of 10m a day.

Nokia's average selling price for all those phones are 63 euros or 87.33 USD. Apple's average selling price for its mobile devices is 368.37 USD or 265.74 euros. Nokia only sold 4.6m N-series phones this last quarter, after selling 11.4m two years ago. The trend is clear - Apple has moved into the high-end, and Nokia has the low-end.

We've seen that story before - Hey, Mikey, how's Dell doing these days?
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Want to watch a video online? That'll be flash.

Really? Wow! My iPhone must run flash then every time I watch youtube!
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Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post

The competition are netbooks, and I don't know about you, but I see a lot of those in use on the train everyday.

Hmmm.

Before the iPhone was released, how many people did you see using them on the train? 0?

Now, since its release, how many people on the train do you see using an iPhone?


Before the iPad is released, how many people do you see using them on the train? 0?

Now, jump forward to December 2010; how many people on the train do you see using an iPad?
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Microsoft, too, joined the fray this week, when Brandon Watson, director of product management in the developer platform at Microsoft told Technologizer that he found it "humorous" that "Microsoft is much more open than Apple." Watson was referring to the fact that the newly-announced iPad runs the iPhone OS, which can only install third-party applications through the Apple-controlled App Store.

Watson is the sacrificial lamb, pushed out there to make non-sensical statements.

How many 3rd-party apps are available for the Zune HD? How many 3rd-parties have even been allowed to publish?

The App Store has approved over 140000K apps from around 30000k publishers. I'd bet that less than 500 non-copyright-infringing apps have been banned. Sure sounds fairly open to me.
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I know that Nintendo is supposed to put on a straight face, but really?

My little sister bought a Nintendo DS, it's not horrible, but it feels pretty cheap, not very stiff. It's too bad that Nintendo likes to use such tiny buttons. The buttons on the original GBA seem to be the last decent buttons I've seen on a Nintendo controller. I had to mod in a backlight into a GBA because the clamshell successor's buttons just didn't feel good and the reaction time was noticably slower. I could only get to level 9 on Tetris with the SP, regular GBA I could get several levels higher a lot more easily.
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The iPad is a worrying step in home computing, a move from open platforms to an incredibly closed, restrictive platform. People accept limitations on smart phones because they are tiny and underpowered, but on a laptop/netbook type system, no chance. It's either open or not worth considering for a second.


I totally agree.

And I'm a machead from the earliest Apple IIe days and Typing Tutor.

I created a dungeon maze game on my Commador 64 as a kid. Sprites? remember Sprites?


iPad = creatives run amock and a marketing department that has no females.
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Really? Wow! My iPhone must run flash then every time I watch youtube!

Is that the best you could come up with? Have fun watching any online video that isn't from YouTube on your iPad.
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"Wait they did not have any real smart phones when the iphone came out." Umm... the N95 was out long before the iPhone and to this day, still competes based on specs and even though I have a iPhone 3GS there are still many features that I miss dearly from my N95 such as a 5mp camera, a front facing camera for video chat, a Flash, Adobe flash support and ask Apple where you can get an app like JoikuSpot for your iPhone.

You shouldn't make comments about things you obviously know nothing about. The iPhone is nice but, it certainly was NOT the first smartphone they, just are smart enough to make dumba$$es like you believe their BS.

The N95 is barely a smartphone/PDA . My Motorola flip phone did everything that this thing does well not the maps.
Flash support to this phone was added after in 2008 not at the release. Seriously you should do YOUR research.
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Originally Posted by voodooru View Post

not impressed with iPAD version 1 -- but then again, it's just the beginning. it's a step in the right direction.

as the iPOD evolved, hopefully so will the iPAD. One can easily imagine, in the near future, a Macbook loosing the lid, adopting multi-touch, usb/firewire, mini-display.

I really would love an iPAD that I can use the same way as a Macbook. Hard Drive, install software (not to be confused with apps LOL), plug in external drives, etc. -- it will happen, just a matter of when.

That's the genius of it...

Always leave them wanting more...

That is why the word "Pro" was invented...

MacBook

MacBook Pro

iPad

iPad Pro...

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Originally Posted by vinney57 View Post

The TROLLS are out already I see. Completely missing the point as per usual.

right on...

What part of "a new sector" in computing is so hard to understand?

The vast majority of users of these devices (and that includes phones) don't give a hoot about file systems, or hard drives or OSX or any of the other stuff that most of the pundits here are throwing around. The people that will buy this (and that includes me) like the BEAUTY and SIMPLICITY of the iPhone/Touch/soon to be iPad experience. That's all it's about. Oh...and stunningly beautiful and well manufactured hardware too.

Advice for Power users: don't buy the iPad, it's really that simple. Another manufacturer will come along and slap your latest desktop OS on some pretty screen, give you all the ports and slots you want, and you'll be able to stay up late working on it writing your next novel or coding up some Flash.

OMG, if I hear more whining over the "fascist Apple ecosystem" my head will explode. Clearly, if you're that afraid of it then guess what: YOU HAVE A CHOICE AFTER ALL. Don't buy it!
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Oh the fanboys are out already I see.

I'd much sooner have a Win7 tablet than the iPad. It may not look at pretty but at least it would be able to multi-task, run flash, use Skype video chat, and install any application I like.

The iPad is a worrying step in home computing, a move from open platforms to an incredibly closed, restrictive platform. People accept limitations on smart phones because they are tiny and underpowered, but on a laptop/netbook type system, no chance. It's either open or not worth considering for a second.

Apple should have just sold it as a Kindle competitor (although not of course outside the US, where Apple will not sell ebooks at all). By going after the netbook market all the do is illustrate how incredibly primative and limited the iPad is. My first computer ever (a Commodore 64) was more open than an iPad.

And is there some reason you can't have your Win 7 tablet?
Bon Apitite, and STFU. Nobody here cares that you want a Windows machine. This is Apple Insider. Go buy all the Windows machines you want, and enjoy.
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Is that the best you could come up with? Have fun watching any online video that isn't from YouTube on your iPad.

Wow, the iPad hasn't even been officially released yet. Hold these comments until you know what you're talking about (ie. the damn thing has been released).
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If Apple doesn't allow a [sic] app to multi-task ... then that blocks my RIGHT to run what I want ON MY MACHINE.

What a load of rubbish? That's like saying that if Apple doesn't allow me to run three copies of Firefox simultaneously, or does not allow any program at all to overwrite shared kernel memory ... then that blocks my RIGHT to run what I want ON MY MACHINE.

It may be news to you, but when you buy a computer running Windows, MS decide what you can and can't do on it as enforced by the OS. Apple do the same. So do IBM. So do ... fill in the blank. You have no 'right', you have the choice, on ANY computer you use, to do what the manufacturer of the OS allows you to do. That's it. If you don't like that then buy another computer. Or you could write your own OS that allows you, and any other app writer, do anything at all that they choose on your computer as that's 'THEIR RIGHT'.

Sigh.
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Oh the fanboys are out already I see.

I'd much sooner have a Win7 tablet than the iPad. It may not look at pretty but at least it would be able to multi-task, run flash, use Skype video chat, and install any application I like.

Well then enjoy your clunky interface. Multi tasking is one update away for iphone OS.

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The iPad is a worrying step in home computing, a move from open platforms to an incredibly closed, restrictive platform.

I don't understand the whole "closed" argument. There are many many thousands of aps. How is the system closed? Just because Apple wants to approve the AP doesn't really make it closed. JB you're phone and STFU already.

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By going after the netbook market all the do is illustrate how incredibly primative and limited the iPad is. My first computer ever (a Commodore 64) was more open than an iPad.

Here you are grossly mistaken and using hyperbole. Iphone OS is primitive? you're kidding right? Justify you're thinking. More open than a Commadore. LOL

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Oh and a quick question for those defending the iPad. If Apple ever re-engineered the Mac to only run Apple approved apps from a Mac iTunes store, would you still support Apple?

Yes, because I would know that the apps will run as expected on a specific device and future development is accelerated as the device features are expended. Kind of like with IE and how MS doesn't encourage their users to upgrade. How can the device ever evolve if legacy software is holding it back. Apple has made the right call here for a number of reasons.

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Even if that were true in theory, it certainly isn't true in practice. Much of the web depends on flash. Want to watch a video online? That'll be flash. Want to play a game online? That'll be flash. Want to play Farmville? (which if you hadn't noticed, a LOT of people do) That'll be flash.

What the hell is farmville? Look, you are living in a bubble. The market for flash games is pretty insignificant even if you and all of your friends are into it. The vast majority (more than 90%) don't care about flash games. Many of the best flash games from developers like cartoon network are available in iphone App anyway and game developers would probably rather charge a buck or two for their trouble than post a damn game for free.

Further, clinging to flash as a video delivery method is akin to the the world clinging to fossil fuels. If it's inefficient and and comes with too many external costs another methodology has to be explored.

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Trojans can come in all sorts of ways, in fact on the App Store right now there are Apps gleaming information and sending it online without your knowledge or consent.

If I don't like apps calling out over the internet, letting god knows who know exactly when, what and where I run a particular app, it's my choice to block that communication.

If Apple doesn't allow a app to multi-task or blocks the snitching app from the App Store, then that blocks my RIGHT to run what I want ON MY MACHINE.

Apple decides what is good for you and you can't decide for yourself.

Is that choice? No it's censorship and control.

Apple has been getting too buddy-buddy with China lately.


implying that Apple is "buddy buddy" with china because they want to censor, control and spy on people? LOL You need to get out more and stay away from conspiracy nuts on the web.

By your logic, if analytics are akin to "spying" then I hope you don't use google, yahoo, or bing. I hope that you don't use a charge cards of any sort, have a social security number or a driver's license.

I also hope that you don't have your own website, because you are effectively "spying" on other people by your reasoning. I hope you've never updated you're computer or reported a software crashes.

There are so may ways to create a profile of you I'd worry less about Apple and more about the IRS.

Logging IP's and other info to find out what computers and browsers people are using or what part of the country they are from isn't spying. In fact web developers would say that in makes their job easier to understand the clients needs. same goes for App Devs.

Come out of the dark brother, because you've turned into a troll.
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Assuming that nails came before screws, then the first people who saw a screwdriver probably thought it was a stupid tool because it looked nothing like a hammer....Yet, they both still exist.

...and they both still serve discreet functions. You really shouldn't use a nail for what a screw is supposed to do vice versa. I think the same applies here.
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Just like how Verizon, Sprint and Miscrosoft all criticized the iPhone.
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Let's meet later this year when all of them copy the iPad, especially MS with a 10" tablet running Zune OS.

Is that a bad thing? I dream of the day when devices like this are common and inexpensive. We should be welcoming competition, embracing it as consumers. It usually results in good things for us.
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Is that the best you could come up with? Have fun watching any online video that isn't from YouTube on your iPad.

Ok. http://vimeo.com/blog:268
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I was watching the keynote and the demo of iWork. I kept thinking, how did these files that they're playing with get on the iPad? How do you build one of these files from scratch using the iPad? Where are these files stored?

I have no idea why Apple, or Steve didnt announce this at the event but there is way to share documents between applications.

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Or here's another common useage scenario - a non techy person buys an iPad, believing the ads that it's netbook replacement. They go (in the UK) BBC iPlayer, or (in the US) Hulu. Oops, no flash. Two of the most popular sites in the world rendered utterly useless. So they go to Facebook. They see pretty much all their friends playing farmville, poker, and many other facebook apps. They want to play too. Ooops, flash required again!

They give up, and decide to browse some non flash sites, ignoring the giant missing flash plug-in boxes all over the place. They receive an IM from a friend, but oh no, they have to quit Safari just to reply to an IM... That can't be right, can it? They send their message and go back to Safari. Another message comes in, so they quit again, load IM again, and repeat. Pretty soon that gets awfully tiring.

I suspect that Apple will allow limited multi-tasking and probably before release too, but if not version 3.2.1 of the software - its the kind of restriction that makes sense on an iPhone but not on an iPad but as far as I know nobody knows whether they have that restriction, or not, it just seemed that they did because the method of exciting the applications was to hit the home screen. As with the iPhone.
We have no idea if technically one of those applications can launch a helper application, or not. It may be able to. Either way an unlocked version will - which is, of course - not a big deal in this case ( unlocking, I mean).

As for the rest of your arguments, there will be an iPlayer iPad application - I think there is an iPhone application as it is, if so tis done. If not, it will be. That will be true of all websites who want to run on an iPad ( the thing will not be the best for porn but what ya gonna do?). That possibly small percentage of facebook users who dont want to just update on the FaceBook application but want to use Flash are not in luck. What they should do is not buy an iPad. Problem solved and let's move on.

(And given the hysterical over-reaction to the lack of Flash on the iPad I expect that my 96 year old great-granny will be talking about this next time I visit the home. Nobody can claim they didnt know.)

Meanwhile, the rest of us will make do with a empty plugin sign where once their could have been an annoying flash add. We will live with that. We could also live without farmville - after all most people do.

As for the Openness, or not, of the platform. The people who give a sh*t are not the market. When an aged relative of yours asks whether to buy the iPad with its ( then 500,000) applications, or a Linux notepad with it's 26 applications ( 512 if you know how to use a make file and install.sh) and you promote the openess of the OS with less applications they will probably ignore you. Well unless they like futzing around with install.sh.

And as usual, as with the people who bemoaned the iPhone's lack of Blah or Foo, or blahFoo; you miss the most important point. How does the entrie thing integrate? How does the software work in real lives, in real hands?

We will know when we see it. Ask late iPhone adopters - I was a Fan boy but most werent - they tried it out and bought it. That too, here.

And Flash bedamned. We dont care. Future iPhone users don't care. Possibly Flash devs care.
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Oh what nonsense. Where are the open standards on the iPad? The thing doesn't even have an industry standard USB connector! So lets say someone comes over with their holiday snaps on a USB stick, or I take some work home on a thumb drive... what next? I'll just plug the USB stick in, drag the files to the desktop... oh hang on...

Or here's another common useage scenario - a non techy person buys an iPad, believing the ads that it's netbook replacement. They go (in the UK) BBC iPlayer, or (in the US) Hulu. Oops, no flash. Two of the most popular sites in the world rendered utterly useless. So they go to Facebook. They see pretty much all their friends playing farmville, poker, and many other facebook apps. They want to play too. Ooops, flash required again!

They give up, and decide to browse some non flash sites, ignoring the giant missing flash plug-in boxes all over the place. They receive an IM from a friend, but oh no, they have to quit Safari just to reply to an IM... That can't be right, can it? They send their message and go back to Safari. Another message comes in, so they quit again, load IM again, and repeat. Pretty soon that gets awfully tiring.

Never mind, their relative in some distant land has sent their Skype ID over so they can have a video chat.. Oops, no Skype on the iPad, no camera either!

Disappointed, the average non-techy user takes the iPad back, and buys a cheap Win7 laptop.

Like it or not, even for very average users the iPad is a dud.

Yawn...
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Flash back a few years: "iPhone? iPhony, more like. It may not be "pretty" like the fan boys love, but at least my Windows Mobile phone has cut and paste, a decent camera, and runs all my business centric apps."

Then just repeat your list of "missing features" over and over and over again, as if you were making a coherent argument. Post your list 10, 20, 100 times per thread, that way everybody will learn and come to agree with you.

That'll work.
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I was watching the keynote and the demo of iWork. I kept thinking, how did these files that they're playing with get on the iPad? How do you build one of these files from scratch using the iPad? Where are these files stored?

I don't know, but it was pointed out during the Keynote by his Royal Steveness that the iPad Pages files were compatible with the Mac versions. Obviously that remark would have no meaning if the Mac Pages files couldn't make it usefully onto the iPad and vice versa. Yet to be revealed I suppose. Watch this space.
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Oh what nonsense. Where are the open standards on the iPad? The thing doesn't even have an industry standard USB connector! So lets say someone comes over with their holiday snaps on a USB stick, or I take some work home on a thumb drive... what next? I'll just plug the USB stick in, drag the files to the desktop... oh hang on...

Or here's another common useage scenario - a non techy person buys an iPad, believing the ads that it's netbook replacement. They go (in the UK) BBC iPlayer, or (in the US) Hulu. Oops, no flash. Two of the most popular sites in the world rendered utterly useless. So they go to Facebook. They see pretty much all their friends playing farmville, poker, and many other facebook apps. They want to play too. Ooops, flash required again!

They give up, and decide to browse some non flash sites, ignoring the giant missing flash plug-in boxes all over the place. They receive an IM from a friend, but oh no, they have to quit Safari just to reply to an IM... That can't be right, can it? They send their message and go back to Safari. Another message comes in, so they quit again, load IM again, and repeat. Pretty soon that gets awfully tiring.

Never mind, their relative in some distant land has sent their Skype ID over so they can have a video chat.. Oops, no Skype on the iPad, no camera either!

Disappointed, the average non-techy user takes the iPad back, and buys a cheap Win7 laptop.

Like it or not, even for very average users the iPad is a dud.

I actually agree with some of this - not deal-breakers by any means but ;

1) Adobe fix flash FFS and Apple will have to put it in the browser (Adobe have brought this on themselves)
2) Apple In iPhone OS 4.0 permit 'concurrent' Multi-tasking for Mail, Safari and Ipod App and ONE designated Chat app only (Chat app identified and allocated in settings from your app list). Create a gesture that 'flips' between them. Draw a anti-clockwise circle for left, clockwise for right or something.
3) USB is moot - email or use iPads' file sharing built in
4) To late to get a front facing camera this generation - not essential in my mind would have been smart though for video iChat - though the iPhone 4 better have one!
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The competition are netbooks, and I don't know about you, but I see a lot of those in use on the train everyday.

And netbooks can run flash and multi-task.

Yes they are very poor competition. I have the latest and greatest netbook and it sucks. The only reason I have it is because I did not want to spend money on a laptop but needed a Windoze machine for a few things.

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Is that a bad thing? I dream of the day when devices like this are common and inexpensive. We should be welcoming competition, embracing it as consumers. It usually results in good things for us.

It is if they criticize Apple for putting iPhone OS on the iPad then they go a head and do the same thing. But again, that won't be MS first.
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This is really pointless drivel. It is like a cop giving you a speeding ticket because you were going to speed based on your rate of acceleration.

Don't laugh. I've had that happen before and the judge enforced it. I was at a stop and accelerated quickly to just below the speed limit to keep up with my wife in the car ahead of me. Even though I got pulled over doing 45 mph in a 45 mph zone and I was heading into a 55 mph zone (about 200 ft in from of me and the cop by the time I got pulled over) the cop said I accelerated too quickly and gave me a ticket. "Reckless driving" I believe.

Goes to show you Stalin is in all of us.
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By your logic, if analytics are akin to "spying" then I hope you don't use google, yahoo, or bing.

Analytics is just a fancy word for spying on people and I have methods in place to block them, something I wouldn't have with a locked device like a iPad.


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I hope that you don't use a charge cards of any sort, have a social security number or a driver's license.

Those I do have, but I restrict who has access to that information.


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I also hope that you don't have your own website, because you are effectively "spying" on other people by your reasoning.

Yes I did, but I certainly didn't collect information on people outside of hit counts.


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I hope you've never updated you're computer or reported a software crashes.

That I do, as my machine doesn't have personal information on it. Although Apple could cross reference my id with purchase records, that's no guaranty that the machine is me.


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There are so may ways to create a profile of you I'd worry less about Apple and more about the IRS.

Trying to scare me? Think I got something to hide because I value my privacy?

When was the last time you masturbated? Please tell us all. It's just analytics!

Yea, I thought so. Your quick to forget something you take for granted.

(not serious, children may be watching and I don't want people puking on their keyboards)



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Logging IP's and other info to find out what computers and browsers people are using or what part of the country they are from isn't spying. In fact web developers would say that in makes their job easier to understand the clients needs. same goes for App Devs.

That's not the information I'm talking about, it goes beyond that, gleaming Address Book info and other things.

You should really study up on the lack of privacy issues of iPhones and Apps.

There is a nice PDF floating around that describes the security and privacy issues with the iPhone/Apps. You might find it in the AI iPhone forum. I won't provide a link, because you wouldn't believe it anyway.
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When your primary use is porn it is.

You say that like its a BAD thing!!! LMAO
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Is the iPad perfect? No, far from it. Will Apple sell enough to justify continued investment in the platform? Most likely. One thing I would like to see Apple do is fall on their sword and change the name to something like iTablet or iSlate. While it would be painful and costly, in the short-run, I believe it would be to their benefit in the long run...

My vote is for "iVue" but then just about anything would be better than iPad.
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I don't think it will actually. I think that hard drives and file systems and such are a 1980's thing. The future Apple seems to be headed towards is one of the information appliance... think cloud computing and app-focused... where all you have is applications and they manage their own files. No confusing file system exposed to the user. That's not to say that the old ways will go away. I'm sure they will be with us for a long long time. But I DO NOT see the iPad going in that direction. The iPad is a new kind of device. Making it more like a laptop would be going backwards.



The whole point of the cloud is that it's os agnostic. You can access any content from any os with a plugin. With the ipad you are locked into iTunes. If I want to watch caprica a day acerbic it comes out I have to buy it from iTunes. If I had flash I could watch it for free

iTunes is too much of a cash cow so apple is building a walled garden like it did in the 1980's.

With my iPhone flash isn't that big a deal since it's mostly a cell phone. With a tablet I expect laptop features and freedom.
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Is that the best you could come up with? Have fun watching any online video that isn't from YouTube on your iPad.

Stop posting. You look like an ignorant fool.
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not impressed with iPAD version 1 -- but then again, it's just the beginning. it's a step in the right direction.

as the iPOD evolved, hopefully so will the iPAD. One can easily imagine, in the near future, a Macbook loosing the lid, adopting multi-touch, usb/firewire, mini-display.

I really would love an iPAD that I can use the same way as a Macbook. Hard Drive, install software (not to be confused with apps LOL), plug in external drives, etc. -- it will happen, just a matter of when.

Well, you'd probably want a keyboard also. So just get a MacBook or if you want it thinner and lighter, a MacBook Air.

The iPad is a different class of product - like others have said, it is an appliance for doing specific things, but not for computer/OS tinkerers or software geeks (unless you're writing apps for it, in which case, you still need a Mac). Many people haven't realized yet that all they need is this appliance, they don't really need a computer like a Mac or PC.
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DigiTimes reports that several Asian notebook manufacturers were taken by surprise by the unexpectedly low entry-level $499 price point for Apple's iPad, forcing them to reconsider how they will price upcoming tablet models.
The vendors originally planned to offer prices pegged at 20-30% lower than the Apple iPad, while they generally expected the device to cost as much as US$1,000. The US$499 entry-level price has caught vendors by surprise and means they will now need to adjust their price scales even lower to attract consumers, the sources pointed out.

The report notes that manufacturers are reluctant to undercut the iPad price and start a pricing war for fear of eliminating profit margins even before the industry can really take hold. The fears seem justified in light of plunging netbook prices, which have reduced profits in that segment to razor-thin margins even as unit sales have exploded.

Reports as long as ago as last August claimed that tablet manufacturers were holding off on new designs for their products until they could see what Apple's contribution to the market would be.
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