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<a href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020212/ap_on_re_us/clintons_gifts_8" target="_blank">Score</a>!

[quote] President Clinton left office with more than $400,000 in gifts, including $75,000 in china, crystal and furniture received in his last weeks in office, according to a congressional report.

Rep. Doug Ose, R-Calif., said Tuesday that some items were undervalued, others were not disclosed and some were labeled missing or lost so the true value of all the gifts may never be determined.

"The current system is broken and needs to be fixed," he said. Ose spoke at a hearing intended to boost support for his bill to give the National Archives responsibility for overseeing presidential gifts, instead of the six agencies that now are involved.
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When you want free stuff there's the presidency, for everything else there's MasterCard.
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No no you are all wrong. Those are Hillary's gifts that she got before taking office.
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I Was Leader Of The Free World And All I Got Was This Lousy T-Shirt
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post #4 of 26
...and several thousand blow jobs.
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[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
<strong>...and several thousand blow jobs.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Gennifer Flowers!? Monica Lewinsky?! What appalling taste in women.
post #6 of 26
Blow Jobs are good.
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post #7 of 26
It's been said that if Osama had been a fat intern Clinton would have found him.
post #8 of 26
[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
<strong>...and several thousand blow jobs.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I find it humorous that your only criticism of Clinton revolves around his social problems and not his ability to govern.
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post #9 of 26
Hey glurx. Would you mind not posting every single story that shows up on the Drudge Report? Thanks.
post #10 of 26
Yea shut up Clinton was great. This is all yellow journalism and has no basis in fact despite the overwhelming factual evidence.

I wonder how many gifts came from Ken Lay, Mark Rich and convicted drug king pin Vignali.


Clinton had the "most ethical presidency ever".
post #11 of 26
Clinton was a mediocre president. Wasn't really a history making president except if you include his horny escapades but if you get down to the nitty-gritty, he is a MAN. So even that isn't all that abnormal.
post #12 of 26
Scott, I don't believe that the constitution lays down "ethics" as a requirement for the presidency. And what you see as ethical, I might not agree with. So try not to use such ambiguous language, it doesn't help discussion.

(And you still haven't told me anything bad that Clinton did other than his sexual "escapades")
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post #13 of 26
Those are Clintons words.


If you think taking bribes to pardon a drug king pin is ethical then more bribes to ya.
post #14 of 26
[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
<strong>Those are Clintons words.


If you think taking bribes to pardon a drug king pin is ethical then more bribes to ya.</strong><hr></blockquote>

So... all I have from you is that Clinton took bribes and blowjobs, and that's why he's bad. Any comments on his abilities as the President?
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post #15 of 26
Bad enough. He could be the greatest guy in the world but when you accept bribes for pardons then your a crook.

Also note that he denied a woman her civil rights when he lied under oath. He got disbarred by the US Supreme Court for that.

Then there's that whole "failure to deal with terrorism" thing. We all know how that ened up.
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[quote]Then there's that whole "failure to deal with terrorism" thing. We all know how that ened up. <hr></blockquote>

Sure. Say whatever you think will make the Republicans look better, based on no facts whatsoever. Try using some evidence sometime, it might help your 'case'.

Seriously though. When Clinton had terrorist plants blown after the embassy bombings, the Republicans were the ones that were outraged. They said that Clinton was wasting the money of the taxpayers and the time of the military in destroying those facilities to draw attention away from impeachment. The Republicans actually wanted him to do less in that case.

Plus, Republicans say they have been fighting terrorism since Bush took office. If they had really stepped up against terrorism like they claimed they had, maybe there wouldn't have been the problem on September 11. At least under Clinton's watch, the terrorist activities were thwarted. No such luck under Bush.
post #17 of 26
I still maintain that Clinton only bombed those areas because of impeachment. He did not do it because he wanted to get bin Laden et. al. He even ****ed that up. Had he not told the Pakistanis then bin Laden would have been killed.
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[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
<strong>I still maintain that Clinton only bombed those areas because of impeachment. He did not do it because he wanted to get bin Laden et. al. He even ****ed that up. Had he not told the Pakistanis then bin Laden would have been killed.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's a nice bogus conjecture. We can all think up wag the dog stories, but it doesn't get us anywhere. The only credible evidence that we have is that, when confronted with terrorism, Clinton acted. Lest we not also forget, Clinton never stopped bombing Iraq. He didn't need the rhetoric of the "Axis of Evil" to get his point across.

(Fran, nice post)
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post #19 of 26
If you consider that Clinton NEVER met with his head of the CIA it isn't.

Well that's not fair. He met with him once. Before he got the job. But not after. Not ever focused on terror is he?
post #20 of 26
[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
<strong>If you consider that Clinton NEVER met with his head of the CIA it isn't.

Well that's not fair. He met with him once. Before he got the job. But not after. Not ever focused on terror is he?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Couldn't that just as much mean that Clinton was very satisfied with the CIA's operation and saw no reason to intervene? There's a thousand plausible explanations for everything. And I don't think meeting with the CIA head is a necessary step for conducting attacks against terrorist. And, finally, what, did you stalk Clinton for all 8 years of the presidency to check to see if he met with George Tenet? C'mon, Scott, where are the facts here? Stop with the rhetorical bullshit.
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post #21 of 26
Facts? Facts like Clinton ignored the CIA. Or did you miss that fact?
post #22 of 26
When Clinton was in trouble he bombed Iraq. When G.W.Bush is in trouble he (and his crowd) bombs Clinton.

Enron is big trouble for Bush.

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[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
<strong>Facts? Facts like Clinton ignored the CIA. Or did you miss that fact?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I still don't see why the CIA is that terribly important. I don't think you've read a single one of my posts. And the only evidence I have that Clinton didn't meet with George Tenet is your statement. I'm still wondering how exciting it was for you to stalk Clinton for 8 years to find out that he only met with Tenet once. C'mon now, you currently have no factual basis for that claim.
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post #24 of 26
Bombing of the USS Cole, 17 soldiers dead.
Action taken: none.

Bombing of Army barracks in Saudi Arabia, 19 soldiers dead.
Action taken: none.

Bomb in Riyadh kills 5 Americans.
Action taken: none.

224 people killed in dual embassy bombings.
Action taken: Aspirin factory in Sudan is blown up (and that perhaps only to get a little attention of of himself at the height of personal controversy).

I'm not someone who whines about Clinton or even has animus against the guy, but he was completely and totally ineffective as a commander-in-chief and guardian of our nation.

He might have done a good job re:9/11. I don't have a crystal ball so I don't know, but Clinton has earned most of the blame that falls on him.
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[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>Bombing of the USS Cole, 17 soldiers dead.
Action taken: none.

Bombing of Army barracks in Saudi Arabia, 19 soldiers dead.
Action taken: none.

Bomb in Riyadh kills 5 Americans.
Action taken: none.

224 people killed in dual embassy bombings.
Action taken: Aspirin factory in Sudan is blown up (and that perhaps only to get a little attention of of himself at the height of personal controversy).

I'm not someone who whines about Clinton or even has animus against the guy, but he was completely and totally ineffective as a commander-in-chief and guardian of our nation.

He might have done a good job re:9/11. I don't have a crystal ball so I don't know, but Clinton has earned most of the blame that falls on him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Granted, but how is this any worse than Reagan's reaction to Lebanon or the handling of the hostage crisis in Iran? Clinton, just like every president before him, was influenced by the popular will. Such is the trouble with popularly elected officials, they must bow to the wills of the populace. And Clinton did show resolve in some affairs: the continued bombing of Iraq (which has apparently been somewhat successful because Iraq hasn't tried to invade any countries lately) and the NATO bombings of Bosnia and Kosovo which helped prevent any greater escalation into Europe. European stability was an important goal, and it was maintained. Love Clinton or hate him, his successes and failings were not unique, they were merely results of the office of the Presidency.
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post #26 of 26
This in general to all the Clinton bashing. I find it interesting that the president gets all the blame for all situations. Congress has equal power in influencing what happens in American affairs, both domestic and foreign. Yet, I see no criticism of the Republican Congress that hobbled Clinton's administration.
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