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Apple's iTunes advantage keeps Acer from building iPad challenger

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Citing the strength of iTunes and the App Store, the president of PC maker Acer said his company does not have plans to launch a touchscreen tablet to compete with the Apple iPad.

Acer Taiwan President Scott Lin said Acer could technically create such a device, but it does not fit into the company's business model, according to DigiTimes. The strength of the iPad, Lin said, will lie in its connectivity to iTunes and the App Store, which now offers more than 140,000 software choices.

"Historically, closed platforms are typically limited in terms of scale and are confined to niche markets," the report said. "Apple has built is business out of carving its own niche, which means that while Apple could see success with devices like the iPad, other players are unlikely to be able to replicate its result simply by copying, Lin noted."

Apple plans to expand its online stores with the new iPad iBookstore. As part of the iBooks application, it will allow instant download of best-selling titles from major publishers that can be read on the iPad. The iBookstore will be in addition to the App Store and the iTunes Music Store.

While Acer has no experience in building an online store, and has no plans to get into that market, the company plans to continue to build thinner and lighter notebooks. Lin said his company he does not see the laptop market segment being impacted by Apple's iPad, even with its $499 starting price point.

Lin said Acer expects traditional, full-size notebooks to account for 50 percent to 60 percent of its sales in the coming year, while ultra-thin notebooks will take between 20 percent and 30 percent. Low-cost, low-power netbooks are forecast to represent about 20 percent of Acer's business.

In the fourth quarter of 2009, Acer was the second-largest PC maker in the world, capturing 12.5 percent of global sales. In the u.S., Acer was the third-largest PC manufacturer. Its 11.9 percent domestic share put it ahead of fifth-place Apple, which had 7.4 percent.

In another report, DigiTimes said computer maker MSI has an iPad competitor known as the mPad, based on the Google Android mobile operating system. That touchscreen tablet device, based on the nVidia Tegra chip, will see mass shipments "as soon as the market demands it," MSI Chairman Joseph Hsu said. The company also plans to shelve its development of e-book readers.
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Acer?? Really?? LOL

Acer builds junk. It's as if they get their ideas for body design from a landfill and then festoon their notebooks with blue lights as a distraction.

What were they going to do? Add another generic touchscreen tablet running some full version of Windows to the pile?

Jeez . . .
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This reminds me of the "blood on the clickwheel" series of iPod music players and online music service wannabees that fell like dominoes after the success of the iPod and iTunes.

Is Acer the first of many hardware vendors and service providers who will "blink" and decide to not compete or stop competing with Apple, iTunes and the iPad? Looks like Amazon has also blinked, in agreeing to let books publishers set their own ebook pricing due to the iPad.
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Acer?? Really?? LOL

Acer builds junk. It's as if they get their ideas for body design from a landfill and then festoon their notebooks with blue lights as a distraction.

What were they going to do? Add another generic touchscreen tablet running some "full" version of Windows to the pile?

Jeez . . .

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@pmz:

No, I think "awful" was the word he was groping for.
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LOL is all i can say about Acer
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I agree, Acer would come our with some crap running full Windows 7 that would be open and let you install what you want. It's hard drive would also be rubbish and feature things 250 GB hard drive like their netbooks.

Much better to have a closed system that restricts your online digital purchases to one store that attaches a premium to its pricing, and then settle for a 16 GB of space, because as we know 16GB is all the space you need if you want to follow the suggestion and use it for watching films on.
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In another report, DigiTimes said computer maker MSI has an iPad competitor known as the mPad*, based on the Google Android mobile operating system. That touchscreen tablet device, based on the nVidia Tegra chip, will see mass shipments "as soon as the market demands it," MSI Chairman Joseph Hsu said. The company also plans to shelve its development of e-book readers.

Obviously, one company was on the ball. Did anybody check out the mPad*?

Perhaps we should check out MSI to see what the next creation by Apple will look like the next time.

http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/Ne...73&query=APPLE
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Acer is huge in Europe and Asia and I would not just laugh them off. But Scott Lin is a smart man who apparently understands Apple's strategy better than many a reporter or blogger here in the US. There will be (or there already are) other tablets, many of them will have better features like camera's etc. than the Pad, but none can boast the tight integration as the iPad in Apple's ecosystem.

The story will be very similar to the iPhone.
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At least ACER gets it, they understand why Apple dominated in the market... again other will try, waste billions of dollars trying to compete and fail.... It is going to be another ipod situation all over again.
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Perhaps we should check out MSI to see what the next creation by Apple will look like the next time.

From http://www.thefirstreporter.com/tech...#axzz0eIGYbduY

"MSIs prototype was unveiled at CES 2010 which featured Nvidias Tegra line of ARM system-on-chip processor packages loaded with 1 Ghz dual-core ARM Cortex A9 MPCore processor making the device to multitask and play videos at 1080p on the Android platform."

Android, 1080p, better screen proportions, dual core processor, multitasking, open access to codecs and formats.

It seems to solve most of the problem designed into the iPad. Sweet.
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I agree, Acer would come our with some crap running full Windows 7 that would be open and let you install what you want. It's hard drive would also be rubbish and feature things 250 GB hard drive like their netbooks.

Much better to have a closed system that restricts your online digital purchases to one store that attaches a premium to its pricing, and then settle for a 16 GB of space, because as we know 16GB is all the space you need if you want to follow the suggestion and use it for watching films on.


Apple will of course offer a wonderful paid solution to the low storage issue with their MobileMe and AT&T per month charges. Then when your eyes get sore reading e-books and watching movies for long hours on the iPad there are $30-$40 third party anti-glare/reflection films that you can buy and apply, rinse and repeat every few months as they yellow, peal at the edges and collect dirt.

But despite all those wonderful things there will no option to rent all books for under $6, which would have people running to Apple Store and handing over the cash. :P
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"The company also plans to shelve its development of e-book readers."

lol
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@pmz:

No, I think "awful" was the word he was groping for.

No, the word he was looking for was "fool"
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I said it 3 or 4 years ago. I'll say it again. iTunes is the secret sauce in Apple's world domination recipe. Someday we will all be running our whole lives through iTunes. Not saying if that's good or bad.
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LOL is all i can say about Acer


actually I will give them a small bit of props here. They are showing some brains with this whole thing. They could do something but the only reason would be to wage war on Apple's ipad. NOT because it fits with what they want to do as a company. It would be akin to Apple slamming out a $200 netbook 2 years ago 'because everyone else has one'.

Acer knows that they would lose based on name/brand alone so why break out of their game plan to make something just cause
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Originally Posted by tundraboy View Post

Someday we will all be running our whole lives through iTunes.

Who is 'we"?

The rest of us like choice.
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From http://www.thefirstreporter.com/tech...#axzz0eIGYbduY

"MSIs prototype was unveiled at CES 2010 which featured Nvidias Tegra line of ARM system-on-chip processor packages loaded with 1 Ghz dual-core ARM Cortex A9 MPCore processor making the device to multitask and play videos at 1080p on the Android platform."

Android, 1080p, better screen proportions, dual core processor, multitasking, open access to codecs and formats.

It seems to solve most of the problem designed into the iPad. Sweet.

You are in for Future Shock. And like Joseph Hsu, you will wait. Unlike you, he will know why.

http://speirs.org/blog/2010/1/29/future-shock.html
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Acer makes good PCs - I've used them and they were solid performers. I think it's smart that they know when to back down, not like some other manufacturers that shall remain unnamed...
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At least ACER gets it, they understand why Apple dominated in the market... again other will try, waste billions of dollars trying to compete and fail.... It is going to be another ipod situation all over again.

Agreed. Unlike their competition, Apple doesn't just sell hardware or software. They sell both - tightly integrated in a dance of total user experience. And with iTunes and the App store, they've added content to the... dance floor?

Microsoft makes an OS, but it is so generic and not targeted well to a specific form-factor. PC makers make varied hardware, but the OS & user experience aren't tailored enough to make the products simple & friendly. And neither MS nor the hardware makers have the agreements with content producers to provide compelling stores (MS probably does with the Zune, but I haven't seen them making the level of effort that Apple has done with iTunes.) And the few folks who do make compelling custom devices - like maybe Archos - are so small they can't muster the marketing clout to stand out.

At some point, I expect Apple will get big enough that the anti-trust folks will come snooping around and try to split them up. But until then, we'll get under-featured, locked down devices that work & sell great.

- Jasen.
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At least he gets it, no windows 7 or windows mobile... But he wasn't completely honest, acer lack the r and d, the custom cpu, the capacitive screen experience, the great deals with lg for lcds and other for flash rom, 3g chips, that drive the price down, and if apple can offer this for $500, guess what no one is going to buy acer junk that sell for $600. That's got everyone on their toes, that they were expecting apple premium prices and actually apple did leverage their large market dominance and expertise to drive the ipads prices way down leaving little room for someone to go on about the apple tax, whilst selling inferior hardware and software cheaper. Which was pretty much their only selling point, the cheapo effect.
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From http://www.thefirstreporter.com/tech...#axzz0eIGYbduY

"MSI’s prototype was unveiled at CES 2010 which featured Nvidia’s Tegra line of ARM system-on-chip processor packages loaded with 1 Ghz dual-core ARM Cortex A9 MPCore processor making the device to multitask and play videos at 1080p on the Android platform."

Android, 1080p, better screen proportions, dual core processor, multitasking, open access to codecs and formats.

It seems to solve most of the problem designed into the iPad. Sweet.

then we are all happy, you'll buy the MSI (prototype) whenever that is available in 6months to a year, I'll buy the iPad in 2 months. You'll use yours for awhile then buy an iPad.

back on topic, Acer seems to have a smart leader. At least he knows where he can compete.
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From http://www.thefirstreporter.com/tech...#axzz0eIGYbduY

"MSIs prototype was unveiled at CES 2010 which featured Nvidias Tegra line of ARM system-on-chip processor packages loaded with 1 Ghz dual-core ARM Cortex A9 MPCore processor making the device to multitask and play videos at 1080p on the Android platform."

Android, 1080p, better screen proportions, dual core processor, multitasking, open access to codecs and formats.

It seems to solve most of the problem designed into the iPad. Sweet.

And no integration what so ever with the rest of your digital equipment. It is your choice.
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then we are all happy, you'll buy the MSI (prototype) whenever that is available in 6months to a year, I'll buy the iPad in 2 months. You'll use yours for awhile then buy an iPad.

back on topic, Acer seems to have a smart leader. At least he knows where he can compete.

You give him more credit that I would.
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Who is 'we"?

The rest of us like choice.

Last time I checked, signing up with iTunes is an act of free choice.

Be that as it may. You really think you have choice in this economy where pretty much every major industry is dominated by a handful of corporations? And now the supreme court has granted them free rein to saturate the airwaves with their approved version of what you should be thinking? Maybe you should change your monicker from iGenius to iNaive.
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You give him more credit that I would.

Ahh, but he wants "choice" - whatever that actually means in this context. He'll struggle on with Windows (and all the frustration that entails) on a 7-inch photo-frame PC tablet, muttering "I have choice" to himself.

The rest of us will get along just fine with Apples "closed system."
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And no integration what so ever with the rest of your digital equipment. It is your choice.

probably supports DLNA or whatever the open standard is called
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And no integration what so ever with the rest of your digital equipment. It is your choice.

Do you imagine that it will not have standard I/O? Why not?

And I dunno about "digital equipment", but it promises to handle numerous codecs and formats not available on Apple's stuff.

I am sick of transcoding videos so that they will "just work" on my iPhone. I look forward to a situation in which I get to decide what is playable, instead of some huge multinational corporation.
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Last time I checked, signing up with iTunes is an act of free choice.

Yes. But for Apple owners who want content...
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From http://www.thefirstreporter.com/tech...#axzz0eIGYbduY

"MSIs prototype was unveiled at CES 2010 which featured Nvidias Tegra line of ARM system-on-chip processor packages loaded with 1 Ghz dual-core ARM Cortex A9 MPCore processor making the device to multitask and play videos at 1080p on the Android platform."

Android, 1080p, better screen proportions, dual core processor, multitasking, open access to codecs and formats.

It seems to solve most of the problem designed into the iPad. Sweet.

The bezel's a shocker.
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Steve Jobs seems to spend more time defending what this iPad doesn't have then talking about what it does have. That isn't exactly a good sign when you are always playing defense when it comes to your new killer product.

The offense comes when the product gets released. Just like with the iPhone. How quickly we forget.
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I said it 3 or 4 years ago. I'll say it again. iTunes is the secret sauce in Apple's world domination recipe. Someday we will all be running our whole lives through iTunes. Not saying if that's good or bad.

[CENTER]I'm not sure who you think this 'WE' is, but I know legions of computer users who'd never go near iTunes for all manner of very good reasons.
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Steve Jobs was the only one that looked like a fool saying this was going to be the best user experience ever while his browsing lacked Flash support.

Did you ever see the "Chef of the Future" episode of The Honeymooners?
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At least ACER gets it, they understand why Apple dominated in the market... again other will try, waste billions of dollars trying to compete and fail.... It is going to be another ipod situation all over again.

You my friend have just defined the adjective of being "Zuned"...

To be 'Zuned' one has to "waste billions of dollars trying to compete and fail.... It is going to be another ipod situation all over again." I would also add, 'while screwing over their "Play for Sure" partners.

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From http://www.thefirstreporter.com/tech...#axzz0eIGYbduY

"MSIs prototype was unveiled at CES 2010 which featured Nvidias Tegra line of ARM system-on-chip processor packages loaded with 1 Ghz dual-core ARM Cortex A9 MPCore processor making the device to multitask and play videos at 1080p on the Android platform."

Android, 1080p, better screen proportions, dual core processor, multitasking, open access to codecs and formats.

It seems to solve most of the problem designed into the iPad. Sweet.

And it will fail. Why? Because the techno-weenies like it and they are always wrong about what real users want. You can scream "MULTITASKING" and "1080P" all day long and it means nothing to real users, except the ones who buy technical specs instead of usability and user experience. This has proven to be true in virtually every instance.
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And it will fail. Why? Because the techno-weenies like it and they are always wrong about what real users want. You can scream "MULTITASKING" and "1080P" all day long and it means nothing to real users, except the ones who buy technical specs instead of usability and user experience. This has proven to be true in virtually every instance.

Real User: "Why does my movie look so blurry on the iPad compared to my friend's device? Why is it that when I want to pop over to Wikipedia during a boring part of the move, that the movie stops playing? That doesn't happen on my friend's tablet."

User Experience? C'mon.
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And it will fail. Why? Because the techno-weenies like it and they are always wrong about what real users want. You can scream "MULTITASKING" and "1080P" all day long and it means nothing to real users, except the ones who buy technical specs instead of usability and user experience. This has proven to be true in virtually every instance.

Exactly, but you forgot one thing: Anyone who doesn't think like a propeller head is a mindless idiot and Steve's love slave.

Maybe one of these hardware companies will be able to make a product with Android that people will actually want to use and own. Probably not, but maybe. Bring on the tablet computer wars, and let the better product win.
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At least Scott Lin uses his brains better than this Extremeskater guy, who baffles me with his ignorance.
Unbelievable, this guy really understands zero about Apple and has no problem to show that to everybody.
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You are in for Future Shock. And like Joseph Hsu, you will wait. Unlike you, he will know why.

http://speirs.org/blog/2010/1/29/future-shock.html

that article sums up perfectly what I have been trying to express for years to people on why I purchase macs. Who wants to constantly start a machine that has errors popping up and have to work with workarounds because of lack of testing on software/hardware configurations, chasing down drivers, fighting the web experience and worrying if a spam is harmless or its a trojan, updates/revisions that make the machine slower and degrade quicker, and then finally get to work on that photo retouch, sequence a video, design a layout. That is the real work, and windows has made a mockery of personal/professional computing.
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This entire myth about errors always popping up is just that a myth. Your living back in 1990.

I don't know, at home I am running Vista Ultimate on a Quad Core and I think it is a complete piece of crap. I haven't switched to Windows 7 yet but it certainly wasn't the 90s last year.

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