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<a href="http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/120202/dlfor55.asp" target="_blank">The nominations</a>.

Who do you think will win?
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Black Hawk Down, Memento and Monster's Ball shafted.

LotR with 13 nominations? It should perhaps win some of the more technical awards, but best picture?

This is a set-up...A Beautiful Mind will run with the Best Picture Oscar.
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Memento was friggin' shafted.

I piss on the Oscars (yet again, Shakespeare in Love and goddam Titanic for best picture, and Gladiator!?)

I'd rather have my own awards ceremony where I pull names out of a hat.
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post #4 of 69
I used to think that way and then I saw Frances McDormand win for Fargo. I think it was over that Titanic bitch too who thought she had it locked up.
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Moulin Rouge is the best film I've seen all year. Take every element of filmmaking into account, and it was the best, followed very closely by Lord of the Rings. Story, sound, cinematography, music, effects, originality, imagination, innovation, acting, character development, balance, and on and on. These two films had it all.

(For credibility sake, I've seen all of the nominated films except Iris)

Eugene, just my 2-cents: Black Hawk Down was not a great movie, IMHO. It was shot well, it had great action/effects/editing/sound, but that's about it. Zero character development. Too many characters. Cheesy lines. In the end, I really didn't care.

Planet of the Apes was NOT nominated for Best Makeup. The movie was poor, but it certainly deserved a nom for Best Makeup.

Gene Hackman deserved a nom for The Royal Tenenbaums. And what about Ghost World? No nom for Buscemi or Birch.

Thank god Cameron Diaz didn't get nominated here. Don't know how she snagged those other awards this year.

Also disappointed that Naomi Watts didn't get a nomination for Mulholland Drive. That was one of the best performances I've seen in the last few years.

Anyway, I could rant forever, but you're probably tired of my thoughts already.

My major picks:

Actor: Russell Crowe
(like him or not, he was damn good)

Supporting Actor: Ben Kingsley
(tough call, but Sexy Beast was amazing)

Actress: Nicole Kidman
(Halle was good, Sissy was good, Nicole was amazing)

Supporting Actress: Jennifer Connelly
(Keep in mind I haven't seen Iris, but JC rocked in her role)

Animated Feature: Monsters, Inc.
(Shrek was schlock)

Cinematography: The Man Who Wasn't There
(this is the TOUGHEST category this year)

Directing: Peter Jackson
(who else has the balls to tackle LotR?? amazing work.)

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[quote]Originally posted by RosettaStoned:
<strong>Moulin Rouge is the best film I've seen all year. </strong><hr></blockquote>

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post #7 of 69
No kidding, Moulin Rouge?

I disagree about Shakespeare in Love, Groverat. I was pissed Saving Private Ryan didn't win, but I hadn't seen Shakespeare in Love at that point. It was damned good.

Altman will win Best Director for Gosford Park just because he is due.
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post #8 of 69
Amelie for the best foreign film. I love this film, he is different from many films, humor,tenderness , no violence and not boring. very original in many ways : refreshing.
post #9 of 69
I didn't see Amelie but they say it borrowed from our own Ally McBoring TeeVee show.
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[quote]Originally posted by Scott H.:
<strong>I didn't see Amelie but they say it borrowed from our own Ally McBoring TeeVee show.</strong><hr></blockquote>

There are similarities but those similarities are not really what Amelie was about.

You should see it, Scott_H, it was really entertaining. I give it a solid B+.
post #11 of 69
Looking back I didn't see many movies this year.
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The Oscars always make me so angry.

Memento should have been up for best picture instead of A Beautiful Mind.

Sean Penn and Denzel Washington don't deserve to be on the same list as Russell Crowe and Tom Wilkinson.

Tilda Swinton should have a Best Actress nomination for The Deep End. What the hell is Renee Zellweger doing on that list?

Guy Pearce should have a Best Actor nomination.

Ethan Hawke?! Get real. Did the voting Academy members actually see Training Day? Or was it a different Training Day from the one the rest of us saw?

Where's the nomination for Gene Hackman in The Royal Tenenbaums?

The nomination for Jude Law in A.I.?

I have no complaints about Best Supporting Actress.

And why isn't A.I. rewarded for one of its redeeming features - the stunning cinematography?

It's sad that Lord of the Rings and Moulin Rouge are up against each other. Both are amazing movies, and will steal statues from each other in several categories.

And I'm willing to bet here and now that Peter Jackson won't get Best Director. Despite making three films at once, over fifteen months, from a book everyone in Hollywood declared "unfilmable", and keeping his huge cast and crew completely happy, this won't be considered "an outstanding achievement in directing". He'll be overlooked, and I'll be venting my spleen yelling at the TV in anger. Poor Peter. It doesn't matter what you think of the movie, his achievement is outstanding.
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[quote]Originally posted by Belle:
<strong>The nomination for Jude Law in A.I.?
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True. He was great in that roll and almost saved an otherwise blah movie.
post #14 of 69
Belle,

I agree with you about Tilda Swinton. She definitely deserved the nom. As for Renee, I think the Academy was trying to show some "variety" in their nominations. Still no excuse.

I disagree without on your points about Memento. I LOVED Memento, but IMHO, Guy Pearce does not deserve the nom. I think his character came more from the great script and directing than acting. Also, if I were to give a Best Picture nom to Memento, I would pull out Gosford Park, not A Beautiful Mind.

I completely agree with you about A.I. It was one of the top 5 movies I saw this last year, and Jude Law was fantastic. It deserved more technical award noms than it got, that's for sure.

To me the biggest movie overlooked was Mulholland Drive. If you haven't seen it and it's still playing in your neighborhood, GO SEE IT. I think it plays much better in the theater than it will on DVD. AMAZING film, amazing acting. If you really need another reason to go see it, go for the lesbians.

I think Lord of the Rings will do quite well, whereas Moulin Rouge may really get snubbed. Like I said above, Moulin Rouge was the best film I saw this year followed closely by LotR, but with no Best Director nom (Baz) or Best Song or Score, it's chances are less.

The more and more I watch Moulin Rouge, the better it gets. Also easily one of the top 5 DVD sets released in the last year. Spectacular-spectacular!!

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post #15 of 69
It's maybe just me, but I thought Guy Pearce was outstanding. I felt he was a little overlooked in L.A. Confidential, too.

You may be right about Gosford Park. I really enjoyed the movie, but I have issues with A Beautiful Mind. Russell Crowe and Jennifer Connelly were amazing, but the movie was most definitely painted by numbers. Or shot. Or whatever.

I honestly believe A.I., though badly flawed, is one of Spielberg's best movies.

I agree with you about Mulholland Drive. It's a great movie, but I don't think I can pick one single element that's especially deserving.

And lesbians aren't really my thing.

Moulin Rouge has been overlooked a bit. It's certainly in my top five of the year, and you're right, it does seem a little unfair Baz Luhrmann has been ignored. I guess the problem is that this movie more than any other has divided audiences and critics. You either love it or hate it, there doesn't seem to be any middle ground.

Of course everyone knows that the movies most likely to win an Oscar are those which are likely to generate another few $million for the studios in the theater or on video/DVD...

Me? Cynical?
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post #16 of 69
Christ, this is the worst line up of nominees ever...I may just stick my own in for good measure...

Best Picture: Hedwig and the Angry Inch
Jeez, if they thought Moulin Rouge was good they should see this film...awesome. I'd like to see The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring win...but it will be A Beautiful Mind...

Actor: Will Smith...sorry, Philly native...gotta pick him.

Actress: Renee Zellweger. Bridget Jones's Diary was a good film of it's class. She's a good actress too.

Supporting Actor: Ben Kingsley
Sexy Beast was great...if you haven't seen it...rent it.

Supporting Actress: Marisa Tomei...she's just cute as hell...didn't see the movie.

Director: Peter Jackson. Why not? Two more films in the can so why not give it to him now? Ron Howard will win though...

Animated Film: Monsters, Inc. This is a new award category...so it'll be a toss up with Shrek...unless Disney bribes the judges.

Foreign Film: Amelie. One of the most beautiful films I ever seen.

Visual Effects: The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring...nuff said.
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post #17 of 69
Amelie, The Royal Tenenbaums and I Am Sam were the best movies I saw this year.
Sean Penn was amazing in that role.

I know a lot of people probably don't "get" The Royal Tenenbaums. I guess the same was true for Rushmore (Wes Anderson's last movie). When I was walking out of the theater for Tenenbaums people were saying "What the hell was that?!" or "Thats NOT what I expected at all!!". They hated it

Ah well
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post #18 of 69
My picks (LOTR:FOTR should clean house)

Best Film: Beautifull Mind

Best Director: Peter Jackson

Best Adapted Screenplay : Fellowship of the Ring

Best Costume Design: Fellowship of the Ring

Best Art Direction: Fellowship of the Ring

Best Makeup: Fellowship of the Ring

Best Score: Fellowship of the Ring

Best Sound: Fellowship of the Ring

Best Visual Effects: Fellowship of the Ring

And the Bigest snub of the Century:

Best Animated Film: Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within.

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post #19 of 69
Obviously Falcon has not seen Moulin Rouge.

Also, Final Fantasy was not nominated for Best Animated Feature. But Jimmy Neutron was....

My Secret Ballot for Best Animated Feature: Glitter

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post #20 of 69
I will reiterate. Altman is going to win best director.

1) The only reason Gosford Park is even nominated for Best Picture is to prop Altman's nomination up for Best Director.

2) Altman is long overdue for a Best Director Oscar.
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post #21 of 69
I was happy to see Monsters, Inc got a handful of nominations. they'll likely win most of em as well
post #22 of 69
Black Hawk Down should be best picture (is it even nominated?). There are so many reasons why, but I won't get into them. Don't argue, just my opinion. Black Hawk Down wasn't nominated for visual effects?!?!?!?!?! WTF?!?!?!?!?!?

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post #23 of 69
If the Russians can win at skating I guess Blackhawk could win an Oscar for historical accuracy.
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[quote]Originally posted by RollerBovine:
<strong>If the Russians can win at skating I guess Blackhawk could win an Oscar for historical accuracy. </strong><hr></blockquote>

lol , but it's pretty accurate. It doesn't have to be 100% exact to get the point across. That's my opinion
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post #25 of 69
Waking Life not nominated for an oscar for best animated film?

Jimmy Neutron is nominated for an oscar for best animated film.
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[quote]Obviously Falcon has not seen Moulin Rouge.<hr></blockquote>

How'd you guess? But I still stand by LOTR:FOTR

[quote]Also, Final Fantasy was not nominated for Best Animated Feature. But Jimmy Neutron was....<hr></blockquote>

I know it hasnt been, thats why its a snub.

Jimmy...got...nominated...and TSW... didnt. I am going to KILL whoever does these nominations. While greatness of TSW can be debated (your all wrong, its awsome ), I think that its a given that it kicks the crap out of Jimmy ****ingCrap, and that one movie, what was it? Shit? of yeah Shrek.
Its the best animated movie ever created, and the Oscars should be ashamed for snubbing it.
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post #27 of 69
Wow, I havent seen that many of these movies, but I dont see how LOTR couldnt win for most of them, ESPECIALLY visual effects.
Maybe Memento will get it for film editing, that would be great.
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post #28 of 69
Ben Kingsley should definitly get best supporting actor for his role in Sexy Beast and the fact that that film did not get nominated for best foreign is a true shame . . it'll probably go to some cutsey cutsey little forgettable fluff


and Moulin Rouge was crap!!! some clever songwriting; taking titles of old songs and phrases and using them for every line in a song is pretty clever, and some pretty good ideas for action (though it stole its overall style choives in editting and texture from the DiCaprio version of Romeo And Juliette) . . .but the story was pure Garbage, even as it tried to hide behind the mask of irony and pastiche . . .it couldn't save itself . . .

As for that many years ago thing: Saving Private Ryan: great twenty minute scene then cliche-train

Sissy Spacek will win best actress

Beautifull Mind will win and I haven't even seen it, it just looks like the kind of psuedo-sophisticated garbage that holliwood feels good about liking. . .I can tell it just massages the audiences sense of their being intelligent and plays into all the myths of the tortured genius: they eat that stuff up.

Monster's Ink should win: far netter than Shrek!!!

Memento will win best screenplay . . . if the judges are smart, because its the idea that is good in that film and the sceenplay is where the idea first shows itself.

It might also win editing . . . now there is a place where LOTRings should NOT win : it was pretty much hacked together: see it twice and you will really notice.

Moulin Rouge will win for Art Direction . . .people know it cost alot to make and think it deserves something.... no, but seriously, it was pretty inventive with its sets and designs.

But the one movie that really lowered the Oscars for me (besides Titanic, Shakespeare, Gladiator (and these sank it too)) was that piece of utter trash with Mel Gibson as the Scottish Hero.... don't want to even say its name. . .besides I forgot
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post #29 of 69
Saving Private Ryan:

I don't know if there's been enough time to get past the taboo of saying something negative about it, but pfflam is dead on.

Watch a World War II movie from the 1940s/50s, it's like Spielberg slapped a gut-wrenching Normandy invasion scene onto the beginning of one of those.
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post #30 of 69
Didn't see many movies this year either. The only one of the best picture nominees I saw was LoTR. IMO it deserves some kind of award but not having seen the competition I don't know if it deserves best picture. I agree with Belle about Peter Jackson, though.

Memento should have been nominated. I did see A.I. - disappointing. Off Topic: has anybody else seen the director's cut of BladeRunner? What did you think?
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I don't understand why Black Hawk Down is there. It's an okay movie (Where the heck is the character development?!), but it's a rehash of every war movie ever made.

Where's that little bit of sparkle that makes it unique? It's hardly an "outstanding achievement" if it's all been done before.
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Black Hawk Down McSucked with bacon.

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People BlackHawk Down is based off of the events in Mogadishu in 93. Ridley Scott tried to keep things as close to the book as possible. If you had read the book you would have received the necessary backdrop to why this event blew up like it did. The movie actually focused on a character(Hartnetts Eversmann) while the book was a whirlwind of names and action from nonsequential timelines. The effects were outstanding...check some VFX sites to see before and after shots..amazing work.

Moulin Rouge- Great movie..at first I was stunned but it pulled together nicely and really is an emotional rollercoaster if you don't know what to expect. However it does not compare to the immense work required to bring Tolkiens world to life. After watching LotR and then going back and reading the first part of the trilogy(I know it's not a Trilogy..let's not go there right now) I realize the huge ordeal it must have been to adapt this for the Silverscreen. Kudos Jackson!

Alas I haven't seen a Beautiful Mind, AI, Mulholland, Amelie, Sexy Beast and many others. Last year was an off year for movies for me.
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[quote]Originally posted by hmurchison:
<strong>People BlackHawk Down is based off of the events in Mogadishu in 93. Ridley Scott tried to keep things as close to the book as possible. If you had read the book you would have received the necessary backdrop to why this event blew up like it did. The movie actually focused on a character(Hartnetts Eversmann) while the book was a whirlwind of names and action from nonsequential timelines. The effects were outstanding...check some VFX sites to see before and after shots..amazing work.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Even so, I still didn't see anything in the movie that merited an award for "outstanding achievement". It may have been based on real events, and stayed true to that, but it still offered nothing we haven't seen before.

It dragged a lot, and most worryingly I didn't feel particularly sympathetic toward any of the main characters because we weren't allowed to see any depth to them.
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[quote]Originally posted by Belle:
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Even so, I still didn't see anything in the movie that merited an award for "outstanding achievement". It may have been based on real events, and stayed true to that, but it still offered nothing we haven't seen before.

It dragged a lot, and most worryingly I didn't feel particularly sympathetic toward any of the main characters because we weren't allowed to see any depth to them.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I concur there are plenty of ways I would have changed the filming of the movie. Ridley Scott did a great Directing job but audience could have been involved moreso than they were.
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[quote]Originally posted by Belle:
<strong>I don't understand why Black Hawk Down is there. It's an okay movie (Where the heck is the character development?!), but it's a rehash of every war movie ever made.

Where's that little bit of sparkle that makes it unique? It's hardly an "outstanding achievement" if it's all been done before.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Where was the character development in real life? Ebert said it best. These guys didn't even really get to know each other...why should we know about them? Why should we know whether one of them is a carpet cleaner from Toledo, Ohio? Why should we know one of them has a dog named Biscuit or so on?

The film would have been unrealistic with character development of this sort. Or would you prefer a Pearl Harbor-esque love triangle?
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[quote]Originally posted by Belle:
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Even so, I still didn't see anything in the movie that merited an award for "outstanding achievement". It may have been based on real events, and stayed true to that, but it still offered nothing we haven't seen before.
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I was just grateful that the story wasn't "Oliver Stoned".

When the two Delta Force Sargeants were put on the ground in an attempt to rescue the pilot Mike Durant, the camera moved back and the music changed. It did feel as though Scott was trying to pay a particular tribute to Shugart and Gordon which I found to be quite moving.
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Army vets and the people who were in Mogadishu that very day concur that Black Hawk Down was technically accurate. A lot of research was done to make sure everything looked and sounded exactly right... from the hiss of the bullets flying past the camera to the sound of each individual type of rifle, to the way the Black Hawks hit the ground.

Based on these assessments, Black Hawk Down *should* win for Sound and Cinematography at the very least.
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pfflam: Your right about Moulin Rouge not having a plot, but that was the point. It was a comedy about how bad love stories/musicals are. Hell, look at how friggin CORNEY almost EVERY song was (except Roxanne, which was a terrific scene).

And for LOTR, I thought that it was a bit chopped together at first, but my second time over I actually thought that it was really good. Ya, bits were spliced together with that slight "hack" feeling due to the fact that you cant really show the 275683h of walking that they do in the book, but over all its quite an acheivment to have done it that well.
Of course its not film editing award quallity, as you said, but it wasnt bad.
That being said, I agree with you on almost every judgment call. I too am boycotting "Beautiful Mind". Hell, its a frikin Ron Howard film.

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