Steve Jobs disparages Google, Adobe at company meeting - reports - Page 5

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If you're just going to write shit, wait for response, then change shit, please don't bother typing in the first place. That was neither defensive nor offesive. I was just annoyed to respond to a post only to have the originating post changed

I'm not sure how this wouldn't be known since iDevices have been connecting via USB since, what 2002-2003.

I agree, except for the conspiracy theory part. I'am certain Apple has a roadmap but to realize the 'end product' in one sweep is impossible.
Creating software and hardware is super time consuming and as a result it must evolve. It is also nearly impossible to see every change, even if it is only 5 years in the future. So Apple has to tune it's plans constantly.

J.

The others, OK, but still, the floppy was dropped at a time when there was simply nothing to replace it. This was years before the thumb drives or any kind of flash drive was common. There wasn't even an option for a CD writer in those machine for two years.

True. The only time I've ever had to send an Apple computer in for repairs was due to a broken Combo drive in an iBook G3 600.


Untrue. No way will A4 processors show up in Macs. They are way too underpowered for Full Mac OS X and its applications. Also, they have a totally different architecture, which would require yet another version of OSX. Plus, different processors would once again compete with the WinTel crowd for MHz, which they successfully got away from with the Intel switch. Apple remembers what happened last time when their processor choice became lethargic (PowerPC), while Intel kept advancing. Having the same chips means the computers must compete on another ground, like the OS.


He doesn't want to kill flash because it competes in the game arena. At least, not originally. He didn't expect the amount of games for the iPhone as there has been. This reasoning may be valid now, but it was not the original reason. The original reason was because Flash is dominating too much of the web, and has lousy performance. I play Farmville on my Windows PC, and even on that the fans kick into high gear once Flash is active. This is not Unreal Tournament 3, it's a crappy Flash based game! And Flash performance on a Mac is twice as bad as on Windows (due to Adobe's crappy programming).


Yes! 15+ years after DVDs appear and the players are finally able to actually play them! Remember the early days when a single spec of lint on a DVD would cause mass skipping, pausing, and crap... if the disc would play at all? I hate optical media; it is DESIGNED TO FAIL! That is the only reason they would not include the disc inside an unopenable protective case. Also, stop buying your Bluerays because 3D discs are in the future, so you'll get to re-buy all your movies AGAIN/AGAIN/AGAIN (VHS/DVD/Blu-ray); maybe this time for $50 a pop.


I agree that Blockbuster is dead, but NetFlix is not. NetFlix is amazing. Apple needs to buy NetFlix and integrate it into iTunes/AppleTV.


Perhaps tying in something about an "iSlate"? I thought it was lame too.


Optical media could be killed easily by Apple if they create an App Store for the Mac.


I think its going to be harder and harder for the iPhone to compete against Android and its many vendors, especially on the hardware front. Same as the PC wars.

iPad needs big improvements to MobileMe (cloud) services.

I'm looking forward to Macs becoming more iPad-like. I forsee an eventual split between the Pro and Consumer lines. Pro will include OSX. Consumer macs will include iPad OS.

He formerly formally served.

Very good post!

Prime example, JeffDM. The Bondi Blue iMacs arrived in August 1998 while the first iMacs with a CD-RW came in February 2001. 2.5 years without paying for an expensive ZipDrive option.

Today, the options are considerably better on all fronts. I think HDD is now less than optical discs for storing excessive quantified and just s few small fires can be dumped on local computers, phones, SD cards, USB thumb drives, and sent to your cloud if need be.

I see no reason for the average user to even consider CD/DVD as viable for their primary method for copying files.

are we talking about multi-tasking stones?

Resolution plays a part, but even downscaled HD video usually looks better than upscaled SD. My trial was on a 15" MBP.


I wonder if Apple's binder case even has pockets for them. I try to avoid adapters, doubly so rigid adapters. The longer it sticks out, the more leverage it can apply should any errant force be applied.


Every description of the meeting I've seen gives it an air that's more a pep rally than a professional business meeting. That's what I mean, it simply didn't sound like a pure professional business meeting.

Just the Windows boxes though.

Not that often for the commercial stuff though.


The difference here is that you're getting rid of the floppy BEFORE the CD-ROM is adopted. Software hadn't been sold on floppies for years when the iMac hit the scene.


You seriously don't understand how people still actively using optical media applies to your post about dropping the optical drive?


That time is not right now. Digital downloads aren't very organized and the digital movie scene's DRM troubles make Blu-ray's bag of hurt look like a friendly jab. As such most of the commercial software is still bought on disk and the DVD is not even close to being in jeopardy. Of course if Apple were to get innovative with digital downloads and/or in-store software kiosks using SD cards things might change. If Apple, other consumer electronics companies, and the movie studios were to get together, come up with a single industry wide movie format that would not tie you in to a single company and you give you import rights, DVDs would start to be phased out like CDs were. However, the greed by the movie studios, Apple, and the other device makers is too great. They want you re-buying everything and being locked into their devices.

Is there a reason to rip cds or remove DRM by burning them?

They can also be sued for breaking their promise, even commercials must be somewhat true.
Also, a reputation can only be lost once (or at least for the time it is remembered).

A good way to asses a company as a consumer is to look at the revenue streams.
If the company depends for a large part on sales to other companies - like Microsoft does - it is almost certain that end users will end up with draconian DRM and a horrible operating system.

If on the other hand the commercial interest is aligned with the consumer interest - as it is in Apples case - your almost sure you can 'trust' the company.

So you can 'trust' a company, and if you don't, don't buy!

J.

And yet the lack of widescreen looked pretty silly when Steve was demoing video playback. 4:3 died years ago, it's a strange move to bring it back from the dead. The ebooks angle isn't something Apple are pushing much and rightly so, as iBooks is US only and nobody in their right mind would want to read for long periods on a super bright LCD screen.

Sorry, but your dock connector argument makes no sense. It's ridulous to have to buy an adaptor just to plug a camera or flash drive in. It's just a pointless upsell from Apple so they can save a few pennies on a USB connector, nothing more.

The iPhone OS multi-tasks with Apple apps a little, but not fully. I can't, for example, fire off a text message while browsing, I still have to quit Safari. What really annoys me is when I'm playing an iPhone game and a message, be it a text, an IM, or an email comes in, and the only way to view or reply to the message is to quit the game. Not exactly a great experience. Do you have inside info that multi-tasking for all apps is coming? As I've never seen it confirmed anywhere.

I am stunned anyone could seriously want that. Do you really not want control over your own computer? That just boggles the mind.

Personally I quite like being able to install Chrome, download Amazon MP3s, rip DVDs, and view flash on web sites.

And I applaud your mature response and basic understanding of the framework of a successful modern enduring business (2nd & 4th paragraphs).

I read this article which makes some interesting points about the 4:3 choice for iPad


www.computerworld.com

I just switched to syncing my iPhone to my MBP from the previous syncing with my IMac. Mostly so that I would have syncing available away from home. I think for many younger Mac users, the notebook is their only Mac so for the near term an optical drive is still needed.

But isn't that exactly how Apple stores music on the iPod?

I agree with that reasoning. I wish I'd get my 4:3 notebooks back form Apple but that clearly happen.



I don't understand how the ODD made this better? You burnt DVDs, copied DVDs? If all your syncing was does between a MBP, iMac and iDevices then shy not just use the inherent network connections? They are faster and with less fault. Sounds lke you just needed to move the Mac's iTunes folder to the MBPs iTunes folder and import.

It's a rather boring copy of something done years ago for the iPhone, the person who came up with it didn't even have the creativity to come up with something original, like a stick.

First of all, this single, industry-wide movie format you speak of is called DVD. The new industry-wide movie format is called Blu-ray and contrary to what some might think, it's actually doing ok. To expect not to be tied into a single company who owns the rights to said technology is unrealistic. They're all out to make money and invariably a few of those companies will come out on top with their technologies and that's what we'll end up using. And to speak of CDs being phased out in the past tense is a bit premature. Yes, it's been declining for years, but it certainly hasn't been phased out yet.

This info has been interesting for me to read. I currently do not get Blu-ray Discs from Netflix, although I could. More to the point, I have watched the DVD discs I am receiving decline in their playability due to major scratching. I mean really, I watch at least 3 DVD's per week and that's the plan I am on. Wouldn't logic say that I should receive at least ONE out of the hundreds I have received, played and returned be fairly new with few or no scratches? When I first signed up, years ago, I received many more DVD's that were "fresh". Now, some of them I receive simply won't play at all, even with a good cleaning. And, most of the discs I receive have scratches way beyond normal. Unless, or course, you consider buffing a DVD surface with a brick to be "normal".

Nah, he just stole it from one of many variations doing the rounds.

Interesting from a historical perspective this example dates from the Nocopypastus, Nonmmsian, Lackavideo era predating the current Nomultitaskian and Lackaflashian era.

Blu-ray Disc Association Welcomes Apple to Its Board of Directors:

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/mar/10blu-ray.html

Since Apple is on the board of directors, why doesn't Apple do something to fix this "mess" instead of just bitching about it?

I was at that meeting and i can tell you the air was blue.

However i wish to remain anonymous and no my name isn't really Mr Underhill. Jeeezzus!!

That is what I did when I got my 3GS. I'm just saying to work with iTunes, ripping cds dvds etc you need a drive and many people don't have a desktop machine so they need a ODD in their notebook.

I'm not sure why it is that you're getting so many scratched and unreadable discs. Believe me, though, that I haven't had a bad disc in months. Maybe it's a disgruntled postal worker in your area who likes to beat up Netflix discs for fun. But seriously though, what happens when you get new releases? Are they really beat up too? Some of the Blu-rays I get look brand-new and all play just fine. How close is your local Netflix distribution hub? Mine is about 50 miles from my house. Also, if you don't mind me asking, what kind of DVD player(s) are you trying to play these discs on?

So you are whining about buying peripherals?

Don't buy any, then you won't need to connect them.

Apple products cost money, people don't have infinite money, staying with a Powerbook G4 is smart until i5 Macbook Pros come out, because it drops all the prices on new and used Core 2 Duos MBPs.

[QUOTE=TheToe;1564018]All for-profit corporations (including Apple) exist for one thing. To make a profit./QUOTE]

Correct! A vendor, with products to sell. Just ask 'do no evil bs' Steve Jobs.


Blu-ray can potentially store 50GB on dual-layered discs; depending on the title of course, but that means lossless audio and richer quality video.


Now we're talking.


Apple produced a multi-core CPU/SoC (system on a chip), which is an underplayed watershed event. No, they can't compete with Intel on scale, so I agree. Also, iPad-like is the way of the future.


Good point, and Apple is behind the HTML5 standard also, with Google.


You're right. Times have changed, during the rise of DTP (desktop publishing), Adobe software running on Macs was THE reason to own a Mac (my opinion). Nowadays Apple calls the shots.

I'm sorry, what? Pixelmator can not open a RAW file, work in CMYK mode, and a host of other things. Pixelmator is a nice app, but not an almost complete replacement for Photoshop.

That said, Adobe seriously needs to think about updating the app and removing the bloat. No argument there.

News flash!!!! Previously not known! Dog growls at cat!!!!!

Well that's kind of awful. They make it sound like 1024x768 is some kind of Mac thing. They completely fail to mention that it's the XGA standard and has been around for 20 years or so.

Some technologies are positioned so well that when they start rolling the momentum will not be stoppable.

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Apple should remember that Adobe basically saved Apple a number of years back. If Adobe would have abandoned the MacOS during the dark days of Apple, we would all be using Windows (or some Linux for many of us) today.

>>Shivers<<

LMAO. Your in-depth 'historical' analysis of an anti-Apple joke is somewhat reminiscent of the arabs overreacting on the Mohammed cartoon