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Agreed! but it would be nice to see a world without plastic CD's/DVD's and all the attendant, plastic and cardboard packaging...not to mention the toxic ink used or all the mideast oil being used to ship this stuff. If I can download a 4gig movie wirelessly I don't see why I can't download most software?

Ps. Imagine no plastic bags, too.

The last piece of physical software that I bought was the upgrade copy of Final Cut Studio. You'll be happy to know that Apple decided to dramatically reduce the size of the packaging and not offer paper versions of all the manuals that came with previous versions. At least it's a step in the right direction.
As for movies and music, they (Apple, etc.) need to offer better quality in their movies/music to get me to buy their digital copy over it's blu-ray/CD equivalent.
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Unfortunately, a lot of people don't understand that. The fallacy about screen size is that it's not just about screen size, it's also about distance. HD video looks a lot better than SD on 15" notebook computer, because it's right in front of you at arm's length.


It's also about what the screen is capable of showing.

For instance 1080i has a pixel resolution of 1920×1080, but a lot of Apple's laptops can't show this much quantity. My 15" MBP can only show 1440x900.

When I had my 30" PM and a *cough* special cable input cards, the HD content was displayed in full quality at full resolution without scaling up or down AND my face was about 3 feet from the screen.

Talk about image quality!, I swear it felt like I was actually there.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

"Next iPhone coming is an A+ update."
I wonder if that means an Apple ARM chip or just an odd paraphrasing.

"New Macs for 2010 are going to take Apple to the next level."
I hope that finally means the removal of the optical drive from notebooks.


Even with Flash 10.1 coming to mobile platforms sometime this year the ability to play videos will still be an issue. Taking all bets on how long before Hulu announces the transition to HTML5 and/or offers app for mobile apps stores.

I can guarantee you Apple will put it's own chip into the next iPhone, iPod Touch and AppleTV.
Maybe even the iPod nano and iPod classic as well as Airport and Time Capsules.

Their chips integrate CPU, GPU and a memory controller all on a single chip.
This gives Apple tighter integration and lowers licensing and supply costs.
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Originally Posted by Rob55 View Post

I totally agree with you here. I was sorely disappointed to see the new iMac line not offer Blu-ray support. Unfortunately, we seem to be in the minority here and you won't find much support from many of the members here on AI.

These comments bother me since the support that is wanted is focused on a particular machine, not the OS. Adding a Blu-ray player to a Mac does nothing. You'll still need Windows if you want to play a BRD.

The very first thing Apple will need to do is add AACS support to the OS. That would allow even the MBA playback BRD with an attached drive.

I think they'll add the OS support, but only after they feel digitally streaming media has a large enough jump over Blu-ray in the home theater department.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

I don't know if you created this but it's so not funny.

I don't mean that in the sense that i'm offended, but in the sense of actual criticism of the humour (or lack of it) involved. The list of items is irrelevant to both products, the date of the "stone" is off by about 39,900 years or so, and it's just inaccurate in any case. The stone can't "multi-task" at all, and the iPad actually can. To be funny it would have to be kind of ironically true in some sense, and this just isn't.

I beg to differ - a stone can multitask (in capable hands) ... ))
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It's all about bandwidth. As the lanes get bigger physical mediums will fall off the face of the earth. You'll have your one central hub, which, we used to call a desktop computer, and the cloud, aka, the internet. The hub and "cloud" will integrate with your personal(ized) computing device. Files you don't want public will be on the Hub and so forth. Integration will be as easy as selecting the data you want shared on the cloud and the files you don't want shared. Similar to how you select what you want spotlight to search or not search.

Things are changing. Get with the times or get left behind. If you are that geek who needs a file system browser, don't worry, jail-breaking will be for you. I could even see data saftey deposit boxes. Like a real safety deposit box, but it's a bank vault with lots and lots of HD storage. Maybe these exist?
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Are you glad that Apple didn't build in an SD card reader into the iPad?

It's supposed to have a optional SD reader though, for those who are going to use the iPad as a sole device, not synced to a computer.
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Originally Posted by trboyden View Post

My guess would be no on the A4 or a variation of it for new Macs, unless Steve decides to expand their offerings to netboxes or does a notebook variation on the iPad. No software vendor is going to make another chip platform change with Apple, especially not after Steve's lack of appreciation with Adobe in this last rant of his. Apple is lucky Adobe didn't dump them and go Windows only after their last change to Intel processors. Adobe might be bastards when it comes to licensing and customer support (or lack thereof), but their software still powers the systems of pretty much every content developer, so they have the leverage for now until someone decides to take them on. And no, iPhoto and the rest of the iLife suite ain't going to cut it.

Well, they go where the market is. Some Adobe software sells roughly 50% of licenses to Mac users, they can't simply say: nope, we don't play - their shareholders would tar and feather them.

For the time being this is not an issue though, even OS X does not run on ARM CPUs (yet) and for sure the iPhone and the iPod touch will move to the A4 (or other Apple designs) first. These chips should allow Apple to price products a bit more aggressively, or compensate for slightly lower subsidies when they move away from the exclusive carrier model in more countries. Their accuracy in executing these things properly is mind-blowing.
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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post

Well the event was to launch the iPad, nothing was ever mention about MBP updated. The iMac wasn't updated at this event either - what's your point?

The current MBP is less than a year old. You don't even know what the upgrade will bring, or when it will be, so instead of buying what is already a great product, you're hammering away on technology far inferior. Very odd mindset.

There will always be something new around the corner - that's the nature of any industry, any product. It's not a reason to not buy today, unless you know the update is coming tomorrow. You don't know this, so just buy the MBP already!

I agree that the current MBPs are excellent, but I am, too holding out for this year's model. At this point in the lifecycle, it would be unwise for me to invest $3K+ for last year's processor architecture, not to speak of other possible enhancements. Just trying to maximize the value I'm getting for my dollars.
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I'm ready for Steve to retire. He reminds me of my grouchy old neighbor who curses at kids riding skateboards on 'his' sidewalk.

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I agree that the current MBPs are excellent, but I am, too holding out for this year's model. At this point in the lifecycle, it would be unwise for me to invest $3K+ for last year's processor architecture, not to speak of other possible enhancements. Just trying to maximize the value I'm getting for my dollars.

Does any one know how old are current MBP? I'm probably going to buy one this year, and I want to know if I'll wait for the next gen or not...
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Originally Posted by macusersince1993 View Post

Because competition is bad?

Competition's great. Competition has nothing to do with your hype, hyperbole, general mindlessness.
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Originally Posted by FullGaz View Post

... I have this theory that Apple always have a 5 years plan, just like the old communist party in the now defunct USSR...

Was this really necessary? It's also a standard part of right-wing corporate USA to have a five year plan. Why tar Apple with the Bolshevik brush?
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

We know most people don't do backups and the most likely way to complete a backup by HDDs, so I can't imagine your comment "optical drives still [...] means of [...] storing data." is referring to that. If we're talking about movies, I have to wonder how many people really use their notebook computers for watching DVD movies over a DVD player in a home entertainment center.

Though I don't watch any DVD movies on my MBP, I still use the superdrive to burn CD and DVD backups of various files, etc... When the time comes, however, I will accept the demise of the optical drive. And no, I'm not so stubborn that I wouldn't buy an Apple laptop because it lacked an optical drive. But for me, personally, I still use the superdrive in my MBP.
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...If you are that geek who needs a file system browser, don't worry, jail-breaking will be for you. I could even see data saftey deposit boxes. Like a real safety deposit box, but it's a bank vault with lots and lots of HD storage. Maybe these exist?


I think Apple will introduce a Finder app for the iPad.

It wasn't ready yet or Jobs didn't want to announce it as to distract from his creative iPad show.

The iPad is designed as a simplified computer for children, eventually the file system browser will have to come into play somewhere along the line or kids will not be able to easily use a Mac or a Windows machine in school.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

Next iPhone coming is an A+ update.

Still waiting for the next update, it's been a while. I want to see what they have in store for the iPhone!
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post

I can guarantee you Apple will put it's own chip into the next iPhone, iPod Touch and AppleTV.
Maybe even the iPod nano and iPod classic as well as Airport and Time Capsules.

Their chips integrate CPU, GPU and a memory controller all on a single chip.
This gives Apple tighter integration and lowers licensing and supply costs.

I'm waiting to see the exact sizing of the A4 in comparison to other chips that are now separate. I'd also like to see how well something like the iPad could be re-engieered to be the new AppleTV.
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

I'm ready for Steve to retire. He reminds me of my grouchy old neighbor who curses at kids riding skateboards on 'his' sidewalk.

lol; but one must admit that he has achieved quite a bit by doing just that in the last 30 years ...
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Originally Posted by LuisDias View Post

Does any one know how old are current MBP? I'm probably going to buy one this year, and I want to know if I'll wait for the next gen or not...

Here's your answer

http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/


But remember, Apple just introduced a Apple A4 processor in the iPad, this means they very likely going to ditch Intel processors soon.

If you need to be able to run other operating systems, you might not be able to do this with the A4.


If the next issue of Mac model you want has the A4 and it won't run other operating systems like you need, rush over to a third party online reseller to get the last Intel version.
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post #101 of 248
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

These comments bother me since the support that is wanted is focused on a particular machine, not the OS. Adding a Blu-ray player to a Mac does nothing. You'll still need Windows if you want to play a BRD.

The very first thing Apple will need to do is add AACS support to the OS. That would allow even the MBA playback BRD with an attached drive.

I think they'll add the OS support, but only after they feel digitally streaming media has a large enough jump over Blu-ray in the home theater department.

My apologies about my post. I meant to imply that OS support is certainly required because I realize that simply adding a Blu-ray drive will only get you half way there. The reason I zeroed in on the recent iMacs is because it was their newest machine and because of the rumors that it may actually have include Blu-ray support. When the next new MacPro comes out, I'll be looking for potential Blu-ray support there as well with the obvious caveat that it'll require OS support.
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Originally Posted by Rob55 View Post

Though I don't watch any DVD movies on my MBP, I still use the superdrive to burn CD and DVD backups of various files, etc... When the time comes, however, I will accept the demise of the optical drive. And no, I'm not so stubborn that I wouldn't buy an Apple laptop because it lacked an optical drive. But for me, personally, I still use the superdrive in my MBP.

I didn't mean to imply that you did. Can I ask what files are you backing up manually that would not be easier with a network RAIDed system you don't have to worry about. Or even to iDisk where it sync these, not only with the MobileMe cloud but back to another machine's local iDisk folder. Outside of a worldwide EMP I'm pretty well protected.


PS: One area I think Apple is lacking is with a home server option. Windows Home Server is great and many companies make great multi-disk products for this OS. Some even have a plug-in so you can back up Time Machine to it.
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Originally Posted by bdkennedy1 View Post

Well thank goodness you can go out and buy an external blue-ray or dvd drive and plug it into your Macs trusty little USB port.

But you can't with an iPad, can you? And the iPad is the future of computing, is it not?
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Think about it. How much software do you actually go into a store and purchase on a disc? The far majority of software for the Mac is not sold on a disc.

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CD/DVDs provide a cheap way to distribute software and that is why it wont be going anywhere anytime soon. (im saying atleast next 5 years)
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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD View Post

No.But look at their gross margin at look at the history of the iPod- it certainly became a cash cow conduit for selling music, etc and at a fixed price which Apple now hypocritically bemoans that Amazon is doing presently with book pricing.

After reading several articles from a few people who claim to know something about the Amazon ebooks thing I'm more inclined to believe that Amazon was behaving extremely poorly in respect to author, publisher and consumer. Mainly to do with the contract that they required from publishers. I am not suggesting that a company should be concerned with anything other then it's own profits but it does suggest that maybe whatever Apple did to force the price up may not be a bad thing, even for people paying more.
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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD View Post

I think you missed the boat- Steve Jobs wants to you buy anything and everything from his iTunes store plantation from now on. He's trying to kill FLASH for that very reason in that it competes with his game sales on iTunes, Blu-ray competes with his low grade HD movies at iTunes, etc , etc. There is a method to his greed- say one thing, mean another.

I am sorry but I MUST disagree:

Adobe is LAZY & GREEDY.

They offer nothin innovative and everything they do offer is badly designed, bloated, process & resource hogging crap. I have many a friend who work in the graphic design and graphic programmnig industy who state exactly the same thing. Everything they offer (except Dreamweaver & MAYBE fireworks) is buggy, bloated and disappointing. My friends state if Adobe offered a program that was Dreamweaver, Photoshop, and InDesign in one application they would be estatic, rather than having to convert, edit, convert, edit, repeat......

But Adobe has sat on it laurels and when they miss the boat they were actually led to in order to take a cruise on, and then whine because they chose to sleep in, thinking the carnival would wait for them.

As for Blu-Ray, it's a format owned and licensed by Sony, meaning more licensing cost for Apple that sure as hell would be passed on to the customer, as well as an additional mechanical faliure that I agree with Steve in wanting to eliminate. I have wanted to eliminate parasitic losses to increase portability and performance for years, so this SPECULATIVE move comes as no surprise.
Apple wants us to move to digital distribution faster? It's inevitable. Deal with it. Yes, I like being able to own my games an movies to play on my PS3 but those aren't my Mac, so I can adapt.

This is actually good news for me. I was getting ready to give my iMac to my mother and get a new one for our home. I have been attempting to plan out a network and would just get iPads and a mac mini server, except the Mac Mini is just not powerful enough to eliminate a dedicated computer. I need video processing, music editing and a potential CAD workstation, but am not to the point of graduating up to a Mac pro.

And I will NEVER go back to a PC. I will not put myself through that hell again.

P.S.: They will not replace the Intel CPU as the main processor. They know thier ARMs are not up to that task just yet. They may be in process to take on Nvidia though.....
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But you can't with an iPad, can you? And the iPad is the future of computing, is it not?

Well, if you can attach your digital camera or your SD card to the iPad's USB port that's hidden within its dock connector, then why can't you attach a USB external drive?
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Or even to iDisk where it sync these, not only with the MobileMe cloud but back to another machine's local iDisk folder..

iDisk is so slow it is almost unusable except for small files. We have a data center cabinet and a home grown file uploader web service. It doesn't sync but at least I have 3 or 4 copies of everything. As long as you stay organized I prefer to manually back up. For people who don't have a lot of data I guess Time Machine is ok but it is usually on site so you don't have any disaster protection. We have multiple terabytes of data so just converting to Time Machine is more work than I want to do.

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I agree that the current MBPs are excellent, but I am, too holding out for this year's model. At this point in the lifecycle, it would be unwise for me to invest $3K+ for last year's processor architecture, not to speak of other possible enhancements. Just trying to maximize the value I'm getting for my dollars.

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Here's your answer

http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/

Thanks! Exactly what I was looking for!

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But remember, Apple just introduced a Apple A4 processor in the iPad, this means they very likely going to ditch Intel processors soon.



Errrr.... this sounds crazy.


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If you need to be able to run other operating systems, you might not be able to do this with the A4.

.... Nutty is the word... hmmm no. A4 is not a Laptop processor, it's much slower than any core i3, i5, i7 intel has in their sleeves. So no, you got this utterly wrong. Also, the idea that they will cut the feature of having windows in their macs is just silly poppycock. Really, stop thinking ludicrously. PowerPC's time is over.


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If the next issue of Mac model you want has the A4 and it won't run other operating systems like you need, rush over to a third party online reseller to get the last Intel version.

I don't think I'll have to worry then.

Thanks for the advice anyway, and much thanks for the link
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Originally Posted by harleighquinn View Post

P.S.: They will not replace the Intel CPU as the main processor. They know thier ARMs are not up to that task just yet. They may be in process to take on Nvidia though.....

I did not think that Apple had any plans to make their own GPU, I would be interested in seeing your information for this if you would be so kind.
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idea when the next-gen macs are being launched?--my G4 powerbook is doing that death rattle thing and wont last much longer
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The last piece of physical software that I bought was the upgrade copy of Final Cut Studio. You'll be happy to know that Apple decided to dramatically reduce the size of the packaging and not offer paper versions of all the manuals that came with previous versions. At least it's a step in the right direction.
As for movies and music, they (Apple, etc.) need to offer better quality in their movies/music to get me to buy their digital copy over it's blu-ray/CD equivalent.

Yep I have noticed Apples reduced packaging....I bought my daughter a new MacBookPro for xmas and noticed how thin the box that it was packaged in...it was like thin briefcase compared to the box my original MacBook came in 4 years ago. which was more like a 'ice chest/cooler!'

I would like Apple to use the same size 'boxes' and for the non-display items (macs, iphones) just you plain brown recycled cardboard with a black Apple logo stamp, and the products name. Again, i'm thinking about the toxic in and waste water used to print/manufacturer those 'elegant' boxes.

Good point about the manuals...yes I do like they are now all PDF!

I remember the days when you had a choice to get SW downloaded or pay an extra $10 to get a CD version mailed to you. I have to admit, back then I did prefer the physical media and many times paid the $10....but not anymore! Anyway good points and have great day!
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Robb55...about the quality of the movies from iTunes...I had some friends over to watch, Whiteout on my AppleTV...I was embarrassed by the quality with so much of that patchy swirling you see in the 'night' shots...I will only download Apple's HD from now on....bad movie btw!
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It's supposed to have a optional SD reader though, for those who are going to use the iPad as a sole device, not synced to a computer.

It does have, there's no 'supposed' about it. I've laughed at people complain that there's no way to plug in an SD card, a flash drive, connect an external hard drive or plug in a camera to this thing. So lazy they couldn't even be bothered to read the official pages over at apple.com.

So much complaining about speculative 'omissions' I can sort of understand, people like to speculate, normally for the worst. But complaining that something is missing, when it's there in black and white for all to see is simply lazy.

Your existing blue tooth keyboard will work with the 'pad (probably headsets too), there is standard style iPod socket for peripheral and computer interface, there is a USB adapter (so you can can connect supported peripherals and printers, it would be for manufacturers to produce and distribute their own drivers to the app store), there is an SD card slot adapter, you can plug your camera into it and it does have a microphone.

Happy to clarify that for all the critics.

http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/
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I think you over estimate the percentage of Adobe software sales to Mac users. Your almost always going to have at least a 3-to-1 margin of sales to Windows-based PCs just because of market share. And if Apple were to switch processors again, it would be cheaper for Adobe to ditch all of their Mac development team and not invest in the new tools to develop for yet another new Mac platform.

I think you also under estimate the power of the already installed Adobe user base. It is a lot harder to switch tools than to switch platforms. Those already using Adobe software would switch to PCs to keep using it rather than change to another creative vendor. That is how Adobe has kept it's user base so far.

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Well, they go where the market is. Some Adobe software sells roughly 50% of licenses to Mac users, they can't simply say: nope, we don't play - their shareholders would tar and feather them.

For the time being this is not an issue though, even OS X does not run on ARM CPUs (yet) and for sure the iPhone and the iPod touch will move to the A4 (or other Apple designs) first. These chips should allow Apple to price products a bit more aggressively, or compensate for slightly lower subsidies when they move away from the exclusive carrier model in more countries. Their accuracy in executing these things properly is mind-blowing.
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idea when the next-gen macs are being launched?--my G4 powerbook is doing that death rattle thing and wont last much longer

The current generation are incredible. Go buy one.
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No kool-aid for me!

Steve Jobs is a genious but Apple cannot survive without Adobe, Google, or Blu-ray IMHO.

LOL they did for so many years. I don't think Apple needs any of these companies.
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Your existing blue tooth keyboard will work with the 'pad (probably headsets too), there is standard style iPod socket for peripheral and computer interface, there is a USB adapter (so you can can connect supported peripherals and printers, it would be for manufacturers to produce and distribute their own drivers to the app store), there is an SD card slot adapter, you can plug your camera into it and it does have a microphone.

Happy to clarify that for all the critics.

http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/

Do you have to buy those peripherals? Seems that way. How much will it cost? And why should I have to buy a peripheral in the first place, it's just stupid...
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I think you over estimate the percentage of Adobe software sales to Mac users. Your almost always going to have at least a 3-to-1 margin of sales to Windows-based PCs just because of market share. And if Apple were to switch processors again, it would be cheaper for Adobe to ditch all of their Mac development team and not invest in the new tools to develop for yet another new Mac platform.

I think you also under estimate the power of the already installed Adobe user base. It is a lot harder to switch tools than to switch platforms. Those already using Adobe software would switch to PCs to keep using it rather than change to another creative vendor. That is how Adobe has kept it's user base so far.

Hmmm world doesn't work that way. Adobe will never ditch Apple. Suite is much stable on Mac than on PC and Adobe knew this for years. What Adobe needs to do is ditch their Desktop development and work on Mobile versions of Suite and make a revolution, rather than crying about Flash.
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But you can't with an iPad, can you? And the iPad is the future of computing, is it not?

No, the iPad is not the future of computing. The iPad is the first in a new sector of simple to use touch screen media consumption devices for those that don't need a fully featured computer simply to browse the web, check email, read a book or listen to music.

It is not intended to replace the existing smart phone, laptop or desktop, as Jobs very, very clearly outlined at the start of his keynote.
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