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Will the touch interface work through rubber gloves?

Yes! The thin latex gloves that doctors and nurses use.

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post #42 of 87
Tablets in hospitals I can see happening. iPAD's in hospitals im not so sure, im in the UK so it definitely wont happen over hear. If it were running Mac OSX then I would find it more likely, but the closed nature of the iPhone OS makes me doubt it. Even with an enterprise option that skips the app store, it's still a massive device lock in, rather than being able to change to different hardware as it becomes available. Also looking to the future of devices there's no certainty of anything, Apple keep everything a secret and give you no indication of where there going with languages in the next 2 years. Your also completely reliant on the success of the device, what happens if it doesn't sell really well and one year into development your left with no hardware device? iPhone code isn't exactly portable to another system.
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In other words, they want to be able to run their own software without having to go through the App Store and giving up trade secrets in the process.

Already being done for some large corporations using iPhones for internal functions.

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Also they will need a Finder App for file browsing.

Don't think so. They'll have a limited set of speciality applications in practice, a Finder wouldn't be necessary.
post #44 of 87
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The iPad would be great for hospitals as soon as the new bed pan app is released.

Unless of course, it's constipated people like you.....
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I put my iPhone in a zip-lock bag whenever I want to use it in a wet environment (like the bath).

Ok, that's just a little too obsessive . . .
post #46 of 87
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The reason's it's free publicity is because of all the websites and news organizations playing the clip, and all the news stories about it.

Apple may or may not have paid for theplacement (it's possible they didn't have to, as the iPad was a prop in a joke), but all the attention afterwards wass definitely free.

I was not going to reply, since I thought that person reply was very native indeed!
post #47 of 87
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It's cute that you think that it's free publicity

Good point. But Apple made it look free, see? I'll suspect that was the case for many of those viewing. That's perhaps what really matters....
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Unless of course, it's constipated people like you.....

Now that was FUNNY!
post #49 of 87
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And their coats and pens and charts and everything else they come in contact with. This isn't an iPad issue. It's a sterile technique issue.

A sensible, but unsatisfying, response to those preoccupied with illogical whining and Apple/Jobs-bashing.
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post #50 of 87
This is the best of the YouTube clips I could find of this event:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jyo96P-SQiM

The most widely posted version believe it or not is someone who aimed a camcorder at the screen of their TV.
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post #51 of 87
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I put my iPhone in a zip-lock bag whenever I want to use it in a wet environment (like the bath)...

You use your iPhone...in the bath? Sheez, I thought I was bad for texting on the crapper.
post #52 of 87
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In other words, they want to be able to run their own software without having to go through the App Store and giving up trade secrets in the process.

Also they will need a Finder App for file browsing.

Umm, companies can put their own software on the iPod touch/iPhone without going through the App Store, so nothing new here for the iPad.

Why would doctors need to browse for files? Wouldn't they simply look up patient names in their app, and the app brings up the right files? Or wouldn't they look up types of test results in a test result app, and find the patient's name and results?

My doctor and children's doctors currently use tablets, and I've never seen it back at the desktop, or My Documents displays. It's always in an application.
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post #53 of 87
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Tablets in hospitals I can see happening. iPAD's in hospitals im not so sure, im in the UK so it definitely wont happen over hear. If it were running Mac OSX then I would find it more likely, but the closed nature of the iPhone OS makes me doubt it. Even with an enterprise option that skips the app store, it's still a massive device lock in, rather than being able to change to different hardware as it becomes available. Also looking to the future of devices there's no certainty of anything, Apple keep everything a secret and give you no indication of where there going with languages in the next 2 years. Your also completely reliant on the success of the device, what happens if it doesn't sell really well and one year into development your left with no hardware device? iPhone code isn't exactly portable to another system.

You're always dependent on someone. Those who use Windows-based tablets are totally dependent on Windows continuing to support touch on tablets. And it's not like there's a surplus of tablet manufacturers - it's dwindling by the year. Plus, most tablets cost two or three times more than the iPad.

So the decision is based on how confident you are in Apple staying in this market. And that's why Apple said "We're the largest mobile device company, by revenue."
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post #54 of 87
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Good point. But Apple made it look free, see? I'll suspect that was the case for many of those viewing. That's perhaps what really matters....

Since Jobs' return in 1997, can you find a single reference anywhere, of someone saying that Apple paid for product placement?

I've seen Apple products in many TV shows/movies, where they've covered the Apple on the back of the display, but you know it is a iMac/MacBook because they show you the distinctive Mac menus.
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post #55 of 87
As much non-discussion that's occurring in this thread, I just learned that the iPhone works with latex gloves! Sweet. No more grease on my screen!

Now if only I would look normal using them in public. \
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You're always dependent on someone. Those who use Windows-based tablets are totally dependent on Windows continuing to support touch on tablets. And it's not like there's a surplus of tablet manufacturers - it's dwindling by the year. Plus, most tablets cost two or three times more than the iPad.

So the decision is based on how confident you are in Apple staying in this market. And that's why Apple said "We're the largest mobile device company, by revenue."

Moreover, the cost is in developing a thin client UI much more than developing a whole platform. When you start off multi-platform for a client/server application, portability is much easier than if you work from a windows-only ecosystem. Porting that UI to the next generation of devices isn't that big of a deal for a Kaiser or the like-- just one or two programmer's "pet project." This cost is easily offset by improved efficiency for the doctors, nurses, and billing...

And, HIPPA shouldn't be much harder to deal with than any other system, although a bluetooth lock-down bracelet would be kind of nice to have (locks faster if not next to the paired transmitter).
post #57 of 87
I just put my iPhone in a plastic sandwich bag and it worked just fine through the plastic. If sanitation is a concern, just put a disposable plastic sheet over the screen or put it in a plastic bag.
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post #58 of 87
Everyone doubting the iPad's success is like a fool putting their money into a bank account at 1% interest. Apple does TONS of market and product research before putting a product on the market. The fact that it is launching already states there is a huge demand for this product. The same doubt and criticism that arose about the iPhone is coming to the iPad and if you don't believe it now you will be it later....just like you had to believe about the iPhone.
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you may need to download data unless you put up wifi in every corner of the hospital's winding hallways. and you have to be careful what you put up since some devices may interfere with heart monitors. my wife used to work in an ER and they had special cell phones they used.

and the iPad will need to be HIPAA certified before any medical professional will use it

I don't know if you have been in a hospital lately but they have have wifi all over the place both private and public networks.

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post #60 of 87
Brilliant move from Apple.

It is amazing how the trolls keep their negativity regardless of what Apple does. Even something like this is negative in their retarded perspective.
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That was a good one back.

Gee, I think that's the first time you've said something nice! Thanks (even if it was backhanded ).
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as much non-discussion that's occurring in this thread, i just learned that the iphone works with latex gloves! Sweet. No more grease on my screen!

Now if only i would look normal using them in public. \

rotflmao!
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In other words, they want to be able to run their own software without having to go through the App Store and giving up trade secrets in the process.

Which is already possible for the iPhone, you can develop apps that are only distributed within one organisation.
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and the iPad will need to be HIPAA certified before any medical professional will use it

You don't seem to know what HIPAA certification is, and you are apparently unaware that HIPAA compliant iPhone applications that already exist.

No hardware devices are "HIPAA certified."

HIPAA is a set of rules that software needs to follow for things like secure connections or privacy. People or agencies can get HIPAA certification. But developers (not Apple) need to make sure their software is HIPAA compliant. And if the iPhone is capable of executing compliant software, then the iPad is.
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Do you live in Japan full time, if you don't mind my asking?

Sure do.

 

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post #66 of 87
Nah they should call the hosptal version the iPee, that way the patients can urinate on the thing instead of in the bottle normally used.

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post #67 of 87
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Sure do.

You sure do mind me asking, or you sure do live there full time?
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post #68 of 87
LOL is right. Whoever this bozo in China is, he's got some big balls. Hmmm, let's see. Take the iPhone, make it bigger (in appearance anyway), put on it a (likely hacked) version of Windows, and then claim APPLE stole their design.

No wonder copyright violations are rampant in China. No one there knows what it means!

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Apparently Apple ripped off the Chinese with concern to iPad design...only one thing wrong with this story, that tablet is running windows.. lol

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/...tories+2%29%29
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You sure do mind me asking, or you sure do live there full time?

He lives there full time. And, has very strong views on Apple and Japan (very legit, based on his personal experiences, although I do necessarily agree with him on Apple's need for a continuing role in Japan), and seems to know the Japanese market for computing-related electronics quite well.

This is random recollection from many many months of reading his prior posts (i.e., no inside info there....)
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Since Jobs' return in 1997, can you find a single reference anywhere, of someone saying that Apple paid for product placement?

I've seen Apple products in many TV shows/movies, where they've covered the Apple on the back of the display, but you know it is a iMac/MacBook because they show you the distinctive Mac menus.

I don't know if Apple paid, or simply furnished the computers but on "Lie to Me" you'll see Macs and Dells. All display their logos. The credits say something like "Promotional Consideration: Dell and Apple."
post #71 of 87
Wouldn't hospitals want a more powerful OS to be able to run various custom applications that they'll need on this device? I can't see it how they'll incorporate this thing in its current form. I am sure Apple will work something out for the health sector. I am curious to see what they come up with.

As for Colbert's iPad demo....best product placement ever. Apple's going for the Colbert bump!
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Since Jobs' return in 1997, can you find a single reference anywhere, of someone saying that Apple paid for product placement?

I've seen Apple products in many TV shows/movies, where they've covered the Apple on the back of the display, but you know it is a iMac/MacBook because they show you the distinctive Mac menus.

Does it matter if they paid for it or not? Advertising is advertising, no matter what method is used.

Also, it isn't like Apple publishes a press release every time they pay for a placement. Where, exactly, would you find such evidence? Just because you can't find it doesn't mean they didn't pay for it.

That said, I'll point you to here. It says they don't pay for product placement, but they are behind it...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...041401670.html
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He lives there full time. And, has very strong views on Apple and Japan (very legit, based on his personal experiences, although I do necessarily agree with him on Apple's need for a continuing role in Japan), and seems to know the Japanese market for computing-related electronics quite well.

This is random recollection from many many months of reading his prior posts (i.e., no inside info there....)

Thanks, the question wasn't really about Apple. From my random reading I thought he might be someone I know. Probably not, but I was curious.
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officials hope to provide superior care by giving hospital workers tablets ...

No, only superior hospital workers can provide superior health care. Giving superior devices to incompetent workers will not provide superior service.
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You sure do mind me asking, or you sure do live there full time?

Sorry about that. Yes, I live in Japan full time.

Hopefully I can live up to knowing the market as well as anantksundaram suggests!

 

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Unfortunately, sterilization is a big issue in hospitals and it isn't simply as issue of keeping an MD or nurse's iPad away from patients with infections. Often a patient is admitted without knowing what they have. Only later are control measures applied. If an iPad is caught in that situation, what are they going to do with it?

If I were Apple, I'd be looking for engineers who know how to ruggedize, waterproof, and dust-proof mobile products. ICOM, maker of commercial and amateur two-way radios, has discovered that it often makes sense to military-spec products. Some customers need that ruggedness and will pay for it.

Apple is no longer a niche marketer. It should be looking into creating ruggedized versions of iPhones, iPod touches and the iPad.

I think you over-state the nature of the problem.

First, many facilities now use electronic medical records, and the most common way of accessing these systems is through computers mounted on carts (called cows) that get rolled around from room to room. These machines are not sterilized; they use standard keyboards and mice that cannot be run through an autoclave, yet there is no outcry about them.

Second, in health-care settings there are many devices which clinical care staff transport from room to room. There are Vocera badges, tracking badges, so called 'hospital phones' and the like which go with the clinician from room to room as a matter of course, and these are not seen as a significant vector for disease spread.

The biggest factor in hospital acquired infections is improper hand hygiene on the part of staff members; staff that don't properly wash their hands between handling patients and handling equipment, etc. The iPad is not any different from any other piece of equipment in the hospital that cannot be sterilized, and there are many many of them.
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Tablets in hospitals I can see happening. iPAD's in hospitals im not so sure, im in the UK so it definitely wont happen over hear. If it were running Mac OSX then I would find it more likely, but the closed nature of the iPhone OS makes me doubt it. Even with an enterprise option that skips the app store, it's still a massive device lock in, rather than being able to change to different hardware as it becomes available. Also looking to the future of devices there's no certainty of anything, Apple keep everything a secret and give you no indication of where there going with languages in the next 2 years. Your also completely reliant on the success of the device, what happens if it doesn't sell really well and one year into development your left with no hardware device? iPhone code isn't exactly portable to another system.

I think that one thing you miss, and that many other commentators miss, is the fact that many applications in health care settings are or could be web-based. It isn't necessary to develop and sell and app through the app store that targets the iPad as a client device.
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you may need to download data unless you put up wifi in every corner of the hospital's winding hallways. and you have to be careful what you put up since some devices may interfere with heart monitors. my wife used to work in an ER and they had special cell phones they used.

and the iPad will need to be HIPAA certified before any medical professional will use it

This is a misunderstanding of what HIPAA is. HIPAA is federal legislation which protects the data privacy of patients. It is directed primarily at hospitals and staff, and governs who can have access to patient data and how that data is handled. Software systems used in health-care often provide reasonable safeguards for patient privacy, but the HIPAA legislation is targeted at the facilities and individual clinicians who use those systems, not at the systems themselves. HIPAA is not a certificating agency; there is no such thing as HIPAA certification for hardware devices.
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Will the touch interface work through rubber gloves?

1. assuming they would use it whilst gloved and working on a patient

2. there are styluses for the iphone which are likely to work with the ipad as well.

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In other words, they want to be able to run their own software without having to go through the App Store and giving up trade secrets in the process.

i highly doubt that any app would be such a guarded trade secret that they are worried about the app store.

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Also they will need a Finder App for file browsing.

why.

any records a hospital is going to use will be off a central database that is accessed by the ER, ICU, pharmacy and so on. all they need is some kind of cloud client system to display the records. heck even Safari might work for that.

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you may need to download data unless you put up wifi in every corner of the hospital's winding hallways. and you have to be careful what you put up since some devices may interfere with heart monitors. my wife used to work in an ER and they had special cell phones they used.

and the iPad will need to be HIPAA certified before any medical professional will use it

That's all bunk... All of it.

I'm an RN, we threw all of that crap out of the window years ago...

And I'm a traveling nurse, I've worked in a dozen hospitals in the last few years.

All cell phones are allowed, Wifi devices, etc, and HIPPA is a law, not a regulatory agency that certifies anything.
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