Originally Posted by infinitespecter
HTML5 is a boondoggle at this point, and, with all due respect, if you think it is going to replace flash on the web anytime soon, you're delusional. The VAST majority of browsers (over 90%) on the web don't even support it. Open source king Firefox doesn't even support it. And once they do, how long do you think it's going to take for people to update to the newest browsers? The default browser on the computers where I work is IE6. You know, the browser from 2001 that doesn't support standards for crap. Webkit based browsers (all 8% of the market that they make up) are the only ones that do support it. That's not to mention that it doesn't replicate the majority of flash's capabilities.
So at BEST, you are looking at a scenario several years from now where HTML5 is supported on new browsers, but not on the majority of the ones people actually use. Versions of video sites done in HTML5 will coexist with alternate Flash versions. All those Flash ads and site elements will still be around because that's the easiest way to make sure that the majority of people can see them. Flash games will still be around. Until that scenario happens, what are we supposed to do? Apple is selling a web device now that won't work properly for years.
And as for your assertion that Flash isn't available on other mobile platforms, you're mostly wrong again. Adobe is pushing Flash on every platform it can get to. If it isn't available now, it will be soon on Android and the Web OS. If that was the case, no one would have a problem. The fact that Apple is actively preventing it from being developed is what irks people. And until you've actually used it on these platforms, you can't say with any certainty what they will be able to play.
So much FUD you're giving iGenius a run for his money.
1) HTML5 is neither wasteful or pointless. It's what the internet is turning to and it's being used already on Safari, Chrome, Firefox and even IE, with more support coming with each new release.
2) I never stated "[HTML5] will replace flash" I stated that "HTML5 is [...] the way video will be streamed."
3) Welcome to 2009. Firefox has supported the video tag since v3.5.
4) Your default browser on your work PC means nothing to the rest of the world. Progress will happen regardless how your secure or up to date you decide to be.
5) IE6 has less marketshare than IE8, compared to the total browser market and Google's reactive dropping support for it the internet is moving along quite nicely despite your stagnation.
6) WebKit has a lot more than 8% when you consider the fast growing smartphone market. You can claim that IE is the only support anyone needs but if that were the case then Firefox never would have gotten any ground despite websites not supporting it when it first appeared. That was an entire browser, not a simple HTML tag used in Safari, Chrome, Firefox and IE9.
7) Never said it would replicate all of Flash's capabilities. In fact, I've made plenty of posts detailing and demoing how even HTML5's Canvas element can be just as, if not more, resource intensive as Flash animation without providing an easy avenue for developers.
8) Again, HTML5 is already supported on new browsers.
9) Yeah, of course developers will use both Flash and HTML5 video options. That is what we've been discussing and what YouTube is doign right now.
10) "A web device that won't work properly for years." I suppose that means the iPhone doesn't work properly. That the Android OS doesn't work properly.
The iPad is an accessory device, not a PC replacement. If you really want a Flash game then you are SOL but that has no bearing on HTML5 video tags coming to websites with increased momentum.
11) Abobe is pushing
Flash, that is correct, but it's not slated to arrive until the middle of this year. Is that somehow Apple's fault, too? Somehow the iPhone back in 2007 kept a proper version of Flash off these other OSes? Care to explain how Apple is preventing Adobe to be competence for non-Apple platforms?
12) Once Flash 10.1 does arrive do you think that sites like Hulu will play video? Have you tried playing Hulu from a 1.8Ghz netbook with 1GB RAM, which is faster than a smartphone? I have and you can barely play their 360p and forget about smooth playback for 480p. That is on Windows, too, where Flash is much more efficient. Maybe they can get the HW acceleration worked out and a much more efficient method in place, but so far there is nothing but incompetence and failure leading from Adobe's Flash team.