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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich

I think the iPad could also become the ultimate TV remote controller.
With no IR? How would it talk to the TV?

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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

With no IR? How would it talk to the TV?

If Apple do not include an IR output in the iPad, third parties (Logitech?) will surely make a smallish, battery operated bluetooth/WiFi->IR device that you simply tape to the underside of your TV-table.

Then there will be lots of apps that combine media remote functionality with built-in access to iMDB, iPhone Lyrics, iTunes Store, media files stored on computers/Apple TV etc.

Eventually the iPad might grow into the real media hub of your home.
post #82 of 163
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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD View Post

In other words a device for dumb couch potatoes?

So if I read James Joyce's "Finnigan's Wake" on an iPad I am a couch potato, but not if I read it on dead trees? Wow, I think we found who's the real dumb potato in this forum.
post #83 of 163
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I thought you were permanently banned. Looks like I'll have to update the ole "Ignore With A Vengeance" list.

What's so offensive? It's basically a device to view content, not create it. And the couch was so prominent in the unveiling. Don't take it so personally.
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Originally Posted by BrowncoatJedi View Post

So if I read James Joyce's "Finnigan's Wake" on an iPad I am a couch potato, but not if I read it on dead trees? Wow, I think we found who's the real dumb potato in this forum.

No but can you write anything on it as fast as I can on any Mac or netbook for that matter? Hello?
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Originally Posted by cvaldes1831 View Post

The issue is that the people here are largely fanboys living in a gadget dreamworld where the laws of physics and economics of consumer electronics manufacturing have been suspended.

Apple Inc. is thinking different. The fanboys on most of the tech forums are completely detached with reality.

Two different things.

How exactly was creating a large iPod thinking differently?
Sounds like some Apple fanboys are the ones detached- no?
post #86 of 163
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No but can you write anything on it as fast as I can on any Mac or netbook for that matter? Hello?

No, because it's the Ipad is primarily a toy for media consumption.

My car travels quickly on the freeway, my iMac doesn't - is that a flaw in the iMac? Or maybe they are DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVICE.

Until some of you people stop drawing comparisons with other device types, you're never gonna get it.

My dad is 63, he gets it.
post #87 of 163
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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD View Post

How exactly was a large iPod thinking differently?
Sounds like some Apple fanboys are the ones detached- no?

Sorry - does your ipod enable to you to view websites at 1024 x 768 pixels (industry standard site optimisation dimensions btw).

This is different, that you don't see it as such doesn't negate that.

Sometimes the simple evolution - the next logical step - is thinking different. Ockham's razor.

(also referred to as Occam's Razor for those who would correct a non-mistake),
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

Wow, that is a good scientific study. You should become an analyst!

You don't even need that much experience to be an oft-quoted analyst.
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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post

No, because it's the Ipad is primarily a toy for media consumption.

My car travels quickly on the freeway, my iMac doesn't - is that a flaw in the iMac? Or maybe they are DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVICE.

Until some of you people stop drawing comparisons with other device types, you're never gonna get it.

My dad is 63, he gets it.

No we get it. That's the problem. It not for anything but basically being entertained or viewing information. Yawn.
post #90 of 163
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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post

No, because it's the Ipad is primarily a toy for media consumption.

It is a different kind of device, and comparisons to laptops, netbooks and even iPhones do show a lack of understanding of what it's all about. But, I also don't think it's correct to call it, "a toy for media consumption." It is a new paradigm in computing, but the apps that will become available for it will make it something much more than merely a device for media consumption.
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Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post

My guess is Steve Jobs is going to enable RENTING of e-books on the iPad.

What I would love is for my library to allow me to borrow books on the iPad - download straight from the library with the same renewal period if necessary, though I can't see why it would be. Now that would be really useful.
post #92 of 163
Prediction is wrong, at least 4 million.
It will be a huge success.

J.
post #93 of 163
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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD View Post

My advice is to wait until the end of 2010 for the holiday when the 32 GB should be avialable for $499 maybe $399.

Yea, but if you wait until, let's say, mid 2011 then the 64Gb should be available for $499 maybe $399. In fact, if you wait until the end of 2011 ...
post #94 of 163
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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD View Post

No but can you write anything on it as fast as I can on any Mac or netbook for that matter? Hello?

Yep... faster even... the iPad boots up in 15 seconds and it uses the same bluetooth keyboard I use on my Mac. Not only that, when I no longer need the keyboard, I can put it away.
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post #95 of 163
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No but can you write anything on it as fast as I can on any Mac or netbook for that matter? Hello?

No I can't. I'll have to wait till march to be able to do that.
post #96 of 163
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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post

Yes, that's the whole point of the device.

It's not a replacement for anything, it's a new type of device.

Did you watch the keynote?

It's for people who don't need the 'full' computer experience - people who just want to browse the web, check their email (hotmail probably!) and listen to music while reading books.

Yes... and it's also for people like me who want to use it to extend or supplement existing desktop/laptop systems (I have both a mac pro and a macbook pro)...

The first app I'll be running in the iPad is TouchOSC (or equivalent). I can't wait. TouchOSC lets me remotely control the faders, knobs, and other parameters of the music "DAW" software running on my full-powered computer.

I do this now using my iPhone. The biggest downside is its screen size. Limited number of elements, have to flip between screens, etc. With an iPad, and an updated version for iPad? I'll have a fuller-sized multi-touch controller screen to use... and the connection is via WiFi, so no cables there.

It's truly a dream....

It's basically a slightly smaller version of this: http://www.jazzmutant.com/lemur_overview.php


And that's just ONE app... it's easy to extrapolate and imagine incredible new applications for this device.

No, it doesn't remotely "replace" my desktop or laptop. It's more like my iPhone on steroids from a UI perspective. That's something I can definitely get behind...

I know no fewer than 15 people who will order the thing on day one... from 20 "polled". We've been waiting a long time for something like this.

Is it perfect? Definitely not. But a huge step in the 'right' direction. I'm a customer for sure...
post #97 of 163
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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD View Post

No we get it. That's the problem. It not for anything but basically being entertained or viewing information. Yawn.

I know - a device like that will never catch on.

Oh wait - the television, does anyone have one of those?

I love how tech-heads simply don't understand the normal consumer.
post #98 of 163
I'll buy one. And I'd never consider buying a touch. So the analysts are just wrong.
post #99 of 163
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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD View Post

In other words a device for dumb couch potatoes?

ahh, trolling a bit today TEKSTUD?

everything you've said so far has either disparaged the device itself, or the people who might use the thing.

it's going to be useful for a wide variety of people. please, get over yourself!
post #100 of 163
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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post

Sorry - does your ipod enable to you to view websites at 1024 x 768 pixels (industry standard site optimisation dimensions btw).

This is different, that you don't see it as such doesn't negate that.

Sometimes the simple evolution - the next logical step - is thinking different. Ockham's razor.

(also referred to as Occam's Razor for those who would correct a non-mistake),

Your wasting your time with TEKSTUD, he's hired by Msoft to spew FUD.
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Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post

The iPad ... it's a learning device for the computer illiterate and those who can never learn a computer and need a lot of hand holding.

Ah well, as a UNIX, C, C++ and Window programmer of 23 years experience and a Mac owner since 1984 I obviously will have to cancel my plan to buy one now ...

I just love these definitive statements
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Originally Posted by BrowncoatJedi View Post

So if I read James Joyce's "Finnigan's Wake" on an iPad I am a couch potato, but not if I read it on dead trees? Wow, I think we found who's the real dumb potato in this forum.

It is actually "Finnegans Wake" (without the apostrophe and with an "e", I happen to have the original dead tree print from 1939)... Still, I adore your optimism; looking at the current collection offered by Amazon and all others, quality authors like Joyce or Pynchon are simply non-existent in electronic book stores and the Gutenberg Project editions of Joyce's works are simply unreadable (actually, the typography of all Kindle books I have seen so far is a complete and utter disaster). Until that improves, I stay with the dead trees and use the iPad for music and videos...
post #103 of 163
What a Nimrod!

The iPad will sell more than 2 Million units during "back to school" season 2010. Everything before and after will be at least another 3 million units == 5 milliom units for CY 2010.

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post #104 of 163
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Originally Posted by aaarrrgggh View Post

But do you think we are in the early adopter stage for this type of product still? I had a Sharp WIzard back in the day, several Palm devices, several blackberries, a Nokia 770, and then the iPhone. Starting in about 2000, you could almost substitute a Palm with a keyboard for a computer if you were backpacking or a road warrior.

In 2005 or so, I thought the Nokia 770 was the answer to what I had been wanting all those years-- flexible operating system, bluetooth tethering to my cell phone for internet (or WiFi), and applications I could use to edit documents, along with a reasonably good internet browser for the time.

The iPhone just made that concept actually work in a mass-adoption scale.

I would say yes, but my point applied as much as anything to the iPad alone. You can still anticipate an s-curve for adoption, mass acceptance, and saturation, because that's an entirely typical pattern. I thought the analyst was belaboring the obvious, but then they often do.
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post #105 of 163
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Of course I'll use one. Most power users will be excited by this device, believe me. If you are saying that power users won't replace their work horse machine for the iPad, you are right, but get one? Top of the wish list, mate. Can you imagine how many webyfied power app front ends this thing will run? Like daylite, or similar. Instead of firing up the old laptop when you are with clients, or in the car, or some such, this thing will be far superior. So yes, power users will use this both for business and pleasure.

spot on, paxman... I am one of those "power-users", and hope to get mine asap. 3G version just for the extra flexibility. I travel often enough to want that data-sim function as well...

This will be FAR more convenient to do things with on a flight than my laptop is. Assuming we get to use them during...
post #106 of 163
I suppose I should comment on the original article..... In a word? Bollocks!

The guy is purely speculating, and doing a really bad job of it. ("You call that an analysis?? What are we paying you for!!")

He predicts 2mm units sold for all of 2010 AND 100% cannibalization of the iPod Touch to achieve it? That's a ridiculous thing (and a gross oversimplification)... I wonder who his target audience is?

I don't see nonsense numbers like that very often. Maybe he's trying to get the stock price to nudge downward (you know, lower investor expectation) so he can make a bigger killing when the numbers come out next January? Who knows... he just doesn't look too bright to me. That's one "analyst" I won't be asking financial advice from!

Assuming Apple can produce enough of these (and they're notoriously bad at that... witness the current iMac 27"), I can easily see them selling 5 ~ 10mm units this year, easily twice that the next...
post #107 of 163
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Originally Posted by hillstones View Post

Well said. I don't anticipate anyone walking around with their iPads on a daily basis. I don't even see people lugging around a netbook either. It is not exactly a "portable" device to be carried around daily. I can do more on the iPhone without having to lug around a silly looking iPad.

You're not very familiar with professors and academia, are you?

I teach at the University of California, and all, I mean literally ALL, of my colleagues are waiting for textbooks to come out for the iPad so we can stop lugging heavy 300, 500, 700 pg. books around.

What will really sink it for me will be some kind of mark-up technology to use with them, either in an e-reader or a PDF markup app that will let me make notes in e-textbooks to prepare lectures, and for office hours, etc. Being familiar with how textbook publishers work, I'm sure at first there will be a proliferation of e-readers from each publisher, but eventually a uniform (if not open) standard will hopefully emerge that will allow us to access e-textbooks from multiple publishers, and allow doing mark-up and saving of those notes on all of them from a single app.

This kind of system would be a tremendous boon for us in academics, and I can easily see how I would use a 'pad' alongside my MBP while working, lecturing, etc.
post #108 of 163
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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD View Post

Not so- you can discreetly view an iPhone but not the MaxiPad.

iPods and iPhones are popular grab and run items for the thieving crowd, discreet or not. I wish you were more discreet with your persnickety and snarky comments. Hopefully as you get older you will ditch the need to find a way to be right and instead simply shoot for a rational discussion.

5million ipads at least in the first year.
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I am no genius but I'll bet my house that what you see in this video will NEVER EVER succeed "touch-wise"....EVER!! (http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/e...t-strictly-me/

WOW. That video is sooo painful to watch - from the mind-numbing boot up to the completely UNintuitive UI.
post #110 of 163
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Originally Posted by Inkling View Post

Industry analysts seem to have a knack for getting it wrong, perhaps because so many of them seem to lack common sense. Would I buy a iPad instead of an iPod touch. Not very likely. I have a touch and it's a very different beast. It slips into my pocket and goes with me everywhere. I'm more likely to leave home having forgotten my cell phone than my trusty touch. I use my touch a lot traveling and out on walks to listen to podcasts. I can't imagine myself doing that with an iPad. I'd look silly.

I'm thinking about getting an iPad late in 2010, but it won't be as a touch replacement. The beast is far too big to carry with me everywhere. In the short-term it won't replace anything except perhaps books. The work apps on my MacBook (such as Scrivener) don't yet exist on an iPad. In the long term, if enough writing/working apps migrate to the iPad, it still probably won't substitute for a laptop, it'll just delay how often I upgrade. And in the end, Apple will probably get more money out of me rather than less.

I don't think it's common sense that analysts lack: I think it's true insight that they lack.

The kind of insight it takes to create products like iPods & iPhones...
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Originally Posted by BuffyzDead View Post

WHY the iPad will be a HUGE SUCCESS and will truly change the way people use "mobile" computers.
ast forward to Jan 2012

If Windows and Linux do not begin a complete re-write, from the ground-up, of what a "native touch operating system" IS (ex. iPhone OS), Apple will have a five year head-start on All other operating systems (as it pertains to "a true, intuitive, mature, simple, yet Powerful touch UI). I am no genius but I'll bet my house that what you see in this video will NEVER EVER succeed "touch-wise"....EVER!! (http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/01/e...t-strictly-me/)

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The future of computing == everything that isn't!

The iPad gets more accomplished in 1 minute than that kludge did in 11 minutes!

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post #112 of 163
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Originally Posted by sandau View Post

This thing will sell better than the 3M Ergo Audrey Internet Appliance! Guaranteed!

I'm getting one. Perfect match for my 27" iMac. I sold my MBP last month knowing that (for me) having a notebook was no longer in my future with an iPad like device.



At first I thought, hey - that's a funny little photoshop project right there - but that thing is REAL! LMAO!!!
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Ah well, as a UNIX, C, C++ and Window programmer of 23 years experience and a Mac owner since 1984 I obviously will have to cancel my plan to buy one now ...

I just love these definitive statements

Thank god there's people like them to make sure the rest of us live a trouble-free life! I don't know what I would've done with myself had I actually gone out and tried the device before passing judgement on it and considered buying one. Imagine the horror of discovering that I might find a use for it that someone else may not have figured out!?

All kidding aside... some people can't grasp that this is not just a large iPod touch. The larger screen and faster processor means there could possibly be many more uses for it. The iWork demonstration alone showed that this device is capable of running desktop class applications.

It also boggles my mind that some of the iPad-haters are "believers" of netbooks!? If there was one category of computer I've never understood, it would be netbooks. I can buy last year's laptop for the same price as a new netbook and get a ton more features and a lot more power. Netbooks only make sense when size is the only major issue; usability goes way down as the keyboard and screen shrink in size. My advice to people who bring up buying a netbook because of its price... go on ebay and buy a used laptop.
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post #114 of 163
Even if the iPad eats into iPod touch sales, what's so bad about that?
iPad = $499+, touch = $199<. Sales increase, revenues increase, and as long as margins increase everybody should be happy!
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but eventually a uniform (if not open) standard will hopefully emerge that will allow us to access e-textbooks from multiple publishers, and allow doing mark-up and saving of those notes on all of them from a single app.

There's an app for that!

Iceberg seems like it is well on its way to becoming a de facto standard format for delivering all that you just asked for in a single application! Currently available on the iPhone, but I'm sure it'll find its way to the iPad.

http://www.icebergreader.com/
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post #116 of 163
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At first I thought, hey - that's a funny little photoshop project right there - but that thing is REAL! LMAO!!!

it was ahead of its time! i love the TV tuner knob to switch apps. and it was touch screen (stylus). circa 2000. Release at $499. There used to be a pretty big hacking community for this thing as it was linux. It was pretty retro styled and nifty.
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post #117 of 163
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Really? Are you sure about that? You cannot use an iPad without already owning a Mac or PC computer, and having a WiFi network at home (people are not going to buy the 3G model to use solely at home). How do you expect to get anything into it without having a computer, and knowing how to operate said computer? How is a computer illiterate going to be able to get on the internet if they are too stupid to know how to set up a WiFi network to make it work? They might be able to tap a few icons, but they won't be able to do anything with it. Nice try.

The iPad is NOT something that can replace a computer. Most iPhone and laptop owners will have no interest in the iPod Touch Grande. I would rather use a laptop and have a COMPLETE internet experience, without the hobbled iPad. Also, the iPad doesn't fit well as a family device since it does not offer multiple user login.

Oh, I disagree. First, I think you're dead wrong about using an iPad without already owning a computer. Jobs has already stated that these things will be unlocked and you can get your 3G plan activated on the iPad itself: ergo it is probably self contained. And while you can sync it with iTunes, it doesn't mean you have to.

Second, anyone can call up an Internet provider and have them come and install a wireless router for wifi in their homes. Coupled with Apple's notorious ease of setup & use, it will be dead simple for a computer illiterate to get one of these things up and running. Besides, the original poster said that anyone would be able to pick it up and just use it and I firmly agree. It'll be easier than using an ATM.

Last, I think this fits in perfectly as a family device. For what it is, there's absolutely no need for multiple user login - not for web surfing, reading books, playing games, looking at photos or watching video; the primary uses for the device.
post #118 of 163
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In other words a device for dumb couch potatoes?

Yes, that's right. Anyone who isn't glued to a high-powered PC writing code is a dumb couch potato. Well reasoned.
post #119 of 163
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In other words a device for dumb couch potatoes?

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Ummm.... yeah, maybe, but you need to try and help some completely computer illiterate person check their email first. Not only is it unbelievably frustrating but also a real eyeopener. Like when a window disappears behind another... I have seen people just give up at this point and hit the on off button on their computer in order to resolve this problem. But yes, if they are accustomed to using hotmail and have a router all set up, then yeah.

And that's the whole point of the simple, intuitive interface. It just makes sense - poke the message you want to read and if you really get lost, just press the one and only button and start again - poke the mail thingy, poke the message, swipe stuff up and down... easy.
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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post

Apples marketing slogan used to be "Think Different".

I'll be ordering them for photographers in the field. Shoot - transfer to iPad to have a nice look and email them back to the office. There's one "power user" application that took me about ten seconds of looking at the iPad pages on the Apple web site to come up with.

Think different.

I agree. And with an LED-backlit IPS screen, photo stuff is going to look awesome on it. -Probably even better than a macbook pro.
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