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While talk of a Verizon-capable iPad incorrectly persisted for months, it was AT&T's willingness to offer inexpensive no-contract data plans that sealed the deal with Apple, a new report claims.

Clayton Morris of FoxNews.com offered Wednesday what he called a "behind the scenes" look at talks between Apple and Verizon over the iPad and a potential CDMA-capable iPhone. Morris alleged that both companies are "still talking," despite the fact that Apple went out of its way to defend AT&T last week, and also introduced the wireless carrier as the sole 3G partner for the iPad in the U.S.

Morris has reported a number of Apple-related rumors in the last few months, but his level of accuracy thus far has been far from perfect.

Last month, Morris incorrectly reported that iPhone OS 4.0 and iLife 2010 were "confirmed" for Apple's iPad unveiling event. Apple instead introduced a multi-touch version of iWork for the iPad, and the device runs the unreleased iPhone OS 3.2.

Morris also previously alleged, in a separate report, that both Verizon and AT&T were engaged in last-minute talks to offer 3G data plans for the iPad. He claimed sources said Apple would release two versions of its touchscreen tablet: one CDMA and one GSM, to offer compatibility with both wireless providers.

Morris is an anchor on the program "Fox & Friends" on Fox News Channel. His personal Web site refers to him as a "self-described casual geek" and a "Mac junkie."

His latest column acknowledges that he reported Verizon "appeared to be on board" before Apple's iPad introduction. He added that sources at Verizon told him the nation's largest wireless provider is "more interested in the lucrative iPhone contracts."

Morris also noted that the two companies remain in talks to bring both the iPhone and iPad to the Verizon network this year, when the exclusive contract between Apple and AT&T expires. Morris said at this point he remains skeptical that a deal will happen.

"Of course 'still talking' doesn't mean anything," he wrote. "It would be ridiculous to think these companies aren't still talking: that's what big companies do. To be fair, these talks are very much in keeping with reports from Wall Street analysts who expect some Apple/Verizon partnership announcement this year. But I'll believe it when I see it."

Last week, when Apple introduced the iPad, it also announced no-contract data plans from AT&T, running $15 per month for 250MB of data, or $30 per month for unlimited access. The plans will also offer free access to AT&T's nationwide hotspots. Typically, cell phone companies charge $60 per month for their mobile data-only plans.

As a contract-free purchase, users can buy a 3G-enabled version of the iPad starting at $629. The AT&T network access can be purchased -- or canceled -- at any time directly from the iPad. Though the device ships unlocked, due to hardware limitations it will only have access to AT&T's 3G data network in the U.S.

Prior to last week's iPad unveiling, Apple Chief Operating Officer Tim Cook defended AT&T in his company's quarterly earnings conference call. He called AT&T a "great partner," and said most customers have had a positive experience with the carrier.

Cook also downplayed speculation that the iPhone would inevitably be offered on multiple carriers in all countries. He said so far Apple has selected nations where they believe a multi-carrier system would happen anyhow.

"I don't want to imply that would happen in every market or that we are headed that way in every market," Cook said.
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Verizon is the "nation's largest wireless provider" just like there's a fungus in Oregon that's perhaps the world's largest living organism.
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What good is cheap data if the network is too clogged with traffic to use it?
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Good for us that Apple made this deal most people look at the iPad wireless data plan and don't get how cheap it is in comparison to other wireless carriers...
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I think Verizon must have ticked off Jobs. We might not see the iPhone on Verizon for years.
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You know it would be much easier for Apple to bring on T-Mobile than Verizon. T-Mobile's network is GSM. I liked T-Mobile when I was with them. I only left since my phone was issued by my employer and they use Verizon.
post #7 of 86
Rumors are rumors.

Talks are talks and can change or not realize a thing.

Until it's realized, it's just speculation.

But it makes good press and hit traffic.


Will this thread go untouched by the "Fox haters" remains to be seen.
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Just checked my usage. On average over the last 2 years I used 133 MB per month on my iPhone. Wish I could reduce my iPhone plan by 15 per month. I use my phone quite a bit. I'm wasn't thinking about getting a 3G iPad but now...

I hate Fox but why hijack a thread.
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It's this simple... Apple will never support CDMA.
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Originally Posted by Bregalad View Post

What good is cheap data if the network is too clogged with traffic to use it?

I am pretty sure that if the iPhone was on Verizon's network they would have similar issues... Currently most countries don't have wireless networks are robust enough to handle the added data traffic from iPhones (includes US)... AT&T actually provides a superior service to Verizon's but to find that you need to look at the data and compare apples to apples... Making the comparison is difficult unless both companies are upfront or a 3rd party does a real analysis... In the past AT&T has won the overall most reliable service award when non-affiliated 3rd parties analyze the major wireless networks...
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Originally Posted by dxdragon View Post

Good for us that Apple made this deal most people look at the iPad wireless data plan and don't get how cheap it is in comparison to other wireless carriers...

You can't really make that comparison and other carriers don't have an iPad data plan option. You are comparing ATT's iPad data plan with "other carriers" mobile broadband plans. As an example, Verizon's is $60/month. But guess what, ATT's mobile broadband plans are also $60/month.

These plans are intended to be used with laptop's and netbooks, which could be used for far more data-intenstive online activities than an iPhone or iPad might typically be. But when you compare similar devices, the data plans between ATT and Verizon are the same price.

But I do think that ATT offering $30/month is a great deal because it's for a data-only access. The iPhone data plan is the same price, but they have the additional revenue of coupling it with a required voice plan.

It remains to be seen whether ATT is chasing margetshare at the expense of quality. Will they have enough revenue to continue upgrading it's network to handle the additoinal load these devices will add? Or will the quality suffer?
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Originally Posted by der passant View Post

Just checked my usage. On average over the last 2 years I used 133 MB per month on my iPhone. Wish I could reduce my iPhone plan by 15 per month. I use my phone quite a bit. I'm wasn't thinking about getting a 3G iPad but now...)

Not owning an iPhone and looking at the iPad with the 250MB data plan for $15.00... what all do you get accomplished when using 133MB per month?! In other words, are you able to get much done? thanks...

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This is evidenced by all the bad press at&t has received???


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Originally Posted by dxdragon View Post

I am pretty sure that if the iPhone was on Verizon's network they would have similar issues... Currently most countries don't have wireless networks are robust enough to handle the added data traffic from iPhones (includes US)... AT&T actually provides a superior service to Verizon's but to find that you need to look at the data and compare apples to apples... Making the comparison is difficult unless both companies are upfront or a 3rd party does a real analysis... In the past AT&T has won the overall most reliable service award when non-affiliated 3rd parties analyze the major wireless networks...
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Originally Posted by Blastdoor View Post

I think Verizon must have ticked off Jobs. We might not see the iPhone on Verizon for years.

Since the article mentions "ongoing talks" between Verizon and Apple, your assumption is likely incorrect.

The reason why iPhone/iPad isn't on the Verizon network is probably just a business decision based on Verizon not willing to A.) give Apple full control over the iTunes Store/App Store and/or B.) not offer plan pricing that Apple finds competitive.

When Verizon is willing to accept Apple's terms, then you will see CDMA capable Apple devices.

As the article notes, AT&T apparently got the nod for the iPad since they offered competitively priced no-contract data service.
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Verizon charges $40 just to tether the Pre (and it apparently sucks http://jkontherun.com/2010/02/03/pal...s-not-so-good/ )
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Originally Posted by Bregalad View Post

What good is cheap data if the network is too clogged with traffic to use it?

What good is NO DATA if the network is charging too much for the data plan in order to use it, so that the network doesn't get the iPad deal?

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post #17 of 86
AI,

Please stop reporting the ramblings of Clayton Morris, thank you
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Originally Posted by dxdragon View Post

I am pretty sure that if the iPhone was on Verizon's network they would have similar issues... Currently most countries don't have wireless networks are robust enough to handle the added data traffic from iPhones (includes US)... AT&T actually provides a superior service to Verizon's but to find that you need to look at the data and compare apples to apples... Making the comparison is difficult unless both companies are upfront or a 3rd party does a real analysis... In the past AT&T has won the overall most reliable service award when non-affiliated 3rd parties analyze the major wireless networks...

Care to provide any references for that claim? Consumer Reports (which is as "non-affiliated" as you can get) surveys of actual customer experience has consistently place Verizon at the top and ATT at/near the bottom. And this goes back to well before the iPhone was released, so you can't blame the iPhone for their problems. And CR only reports on users in the 15-ish top metropolitan areas, not backwoods middle-of-nowhere locations. So this is effectively a comparison of each company's 3G networks.

Yes, technical "geek-level" analysis shows that ATT 3G is faster then Verizon 3G. But when it comes to reliability and customer satisfaction, Verizon has historically been shown to be more highly rated than ATT.
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Originally Posted by Rot'nApple View Post

Not owning an iPhone and looking at the iPad with the 250MB data plan for $15.00... what all do you get accomplished when using 133MB per month?! In other words, are you able to get much done? thanks...

I think it shows that the majority of data is used while you are on a wireless network...3G ties you over while you get to your destination. Wifi is everywhere...home, work, airports, train stations (and some trains), buses.

I would find it pretty hard to use 250 MB of 3G on the iPad with the amount of hotspots I am near, but thats just me. 3G also has a limit for apps and podcasts downloads...you have to be hooked up to wireless for anything over 10MB I believe.
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Originally Posted by Wiggin View Post

These plans are intended to be used with laptop's and netbooks, which could be used for far more data-intenstive online activities than an iPhone or iPad might typically be. But when you compare similar devices, the data plans between ATT and Verizon are the same price.

Far more data-intensive than buying/renting 720p movies from the iTunes store? I don't think so. I easily download 1-2 GB worth of video podcasts on my iPhone... I do not see how data usage on the iPad will be the least bit lower than on the average netbook or laptop. We will have to see what "unlimited" means though... I am pretty sure there will be some kind of a "fair use" cap, most likely around 5GB/mth, which would still be attractive.

The real killer here is the no-contract thing though... If you only need it while on vacation or very occasionally, you can save a fortune compared to a regular 24 months plan.
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Originally Posted by miniMoe View Post

It's this simple... Apple will never support CDMA.

Apple will release a CDMA phone when Verizon accepts Apple's terms. Since it will be years and years before LTE coverage approaches that of CDMA, it is likely that a future Verizon-compatible iPhone would be backwards compatible with CDMA.
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What good is NO DATA if the network is charging too much for the data plan in order to use it, so that the network doesn't get the iPad deal?

Good point.
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Originally Posted by Wiggin View Post

It remains to be seen whether ATT is chasing margetshare at the expense of quality. Will they have enough revenue to continue upgrading it's network to handle the additoinal load these devices will add? Or will the quality suffer?

I think ATT realizes that we are witnessing a history making shift with mobile devices, and it's better to be on board now rather than later. The temporary setback of networks being bogged down is worth it when you'll be able to offer all of your new subscribers WiMax/4G in a couple years and greatly improve their experiences, and your image.
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Steve Jobs hates Verizon.

That is all!

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Far more data-intensive than buying/renting 720p movies from the iTunes store? I don't think so. I easily download 1-2 GB worth of video podcasts on my iPhone... I do not see how data usage on the iPad will be the least bit lower than on the average netbook or laptop. We will have to see what "unlimited" means though... I am pretty sure there will be some kind of a "fair use" cap, most likely around 5GB/mth, which would still be attractive.

The real killer here is the no-contract thing though... If you only need it while on vacation or very occasionally, you can save a fortune compared to a regular 24 months plan.

You've downloaded 720p movies over 3G?
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Originally Posted by cvaldes1831 View Post

Since the article mentions "ongoing talks" between Verizon and Apple, your assumption is likely incorrect.

The reason why iPhone/iPad isn't on the Verizon network is probably just a business decision based on Verizon not willing to A.) give Apple full control over the iTunes Store/App Store and/or B.) not offer plan pricing that Apple finds competitive.

That's kind of what I had in mind when I said "ticked off Jobs." I suspect that they are at an impasse on exactly these types of issues, and the longer Verizon refuses to budge, and the more ads they run mocking the iPhone, the more personally Jobs will take this. And the more personally he takes it, the harder it will be to reach an agreement.
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You've downloaded 720p movies over 3G?

No, I did not, as in Germany 720p movies can only be rented on the Apple TV (and not bought at all until now), but I downloaded two standard definition movies (around 1.6-1.8 GB each) without problems (even if Apple says this is not possible, files over 10MB are supposed to require WiFi according to all information I can find). But as they have talked about watching 720p movies and "Full HD" YouTube material on the iPad, why shouldn't it be possible? You can easily generate multiple GBs of traffic, just by playing a few HD files on YouTube.
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I think Verizon must have ticked off Jobs. We might not see the iPhone on Verizon for years.

I think that's true. When Steve was first trying to line up a carrier for the iPhone, Verizon wanted to control everything. Steve was not going to let that happen. I bet we will never see any Apple product on Verizon.
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That's kind of what I had in mind when I said "ticked off Jobs." I suspect that they are at an impasse on exactly these types of issues, and the longer Verizon refuses to budge, and the more ads they run mocking the iPhone, the more personally Jobs will take this. And the more personally he takes it, the harder it will be to reach an agreement.

I doubt that Jobs is taking it personally. My guess is that he sees it entirely as a business decision.

If he took difficult business negotations personally, there is no way that Apple would be as successful as it is today. Trust me, I'm a very happy Apple stockholder and Steve has done a commendable job at increasing shareholder value.

Conversely, I'm certain that he probably hates the guts of some of his business partners, but he publicly keeps his mouth shut because doing otherwise would not benefit the company. Again, Jobs is capable of setting aside his emotions when business calls for it.

Steve Ballmer, Larry Ellison, Eric Schmidt, Mark Hurd, Paul Otellini. They are all capable of it, too.

Scott McNealy? Carly Fiorina? Jerry Yang? Questionable.
post #30 of 86
Folks

Heaven forbid that VERIZON wants to CONTROL everything?

And why is it ok the STEVE / APPLE Control everything, other then the fact, it's their products?

And what is "Everything"? And who said Steve / Apple or Verizon wanted to control everything?
Oh, that was a rumor, I get it.

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I can imagine ATT saying they would give Apple a great deal on iPad data plans, and keep the line on iPhone data plans, if Apple stops ALL talk of doing anything with Verizon. So perhaps no Verizon is in the cards for this Summer's iPhones, either.
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It seems to me that Clayton Morris is makeing stuff up just so that he
can get somekind of fame.. And he is always wrong, and
I don't know why appleinsider posts his crap all the time
if they know that he's usualy wrong.. I hope we never see the iPhone
on verizon, if only because they are a classless organization,
and useing garilla taktics against their customers and AT&T.
I hate verizon! they are nobetter that metro pcs.. I hope that they
go under soon.. They are what's bad in our wonderfull country!
All of their die hard fans are just DRINKING THE COOLAID!!
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Originally Posted by Son0fsocal View Post

It seems to me that Clayton Morris is makeing stuff up just so that he
can get somekind of fame.. And he is always wrong, and
I don't know why appleinsider posts his crap all the time
if they know that he's usualy wrong.. I hope we never see the iPhone
on verizon, if only because they are a classless organization,
and useing garilla taktics against their customers and AT&T.
I hate verizon! they are nobetter that metro pcs.. I hope that they
go under soon.. They are what's bad in our wonderfull country!
All of their die hard fans are just DRINKING THE COOLAID!!

Dude read a dictionary sometime.

Seriously.
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Originally Posted by lepton View Post

So perhaps no Verizon is in the cards for this Summer's iPhones, either.

FWIW, the scuttlebutt surrounding the original iPhone launch was that AT&T had a 5-year exclusive contract with Apple. Contracts can always be renegotiated when it's beneficial to all parties, but it would take a lot for AT&T to want to lose a 5-year lock... and the iPad isn't it (yet).

Five years from June 2007, takes us to mid-2012, when 4G LTE should be widely available. Verizon could have a shot at the iPhone then, without Apple necessarily having to support Verizon's CDMA.
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Folks

Heaven forbid that VERIZON wants to CONTROL everything?

And why is it ok the STEVE / APPLE Control everything, other then the fact, it's their products?

And what is "Everything"? And who said Steve / Apple or Verizon wanted to control everything?
Oh, that was a rumor, I get it.

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Yeah!! All of these web sites live because of dumb ass rumors! People are full of shit
all the time.. Truth be told this site and all the other sites run on 100 percent
rumors, speculation, lies, and good old fashion bullshit!
Nobody realy ever knows what's going on..
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Folks …

Heaven forbid that VERIZON wants to CONTROL everything?

And why is it ok the STEVE / APPLE Control everything, other then the fact, it's their products?

And what is "Everything"? And who said Steve / Apple or Verizon wanted to control everything?
Oh, that was a rumor, I get it.

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Apple broke through that juggernaut with the AT&T Deal.

Verizon will never get Apple products, period.
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I think Verizon must have ticked off Jobs. We might not see the iPhone on Verizon for years.

If there ever is an Apple device for VZW, I think it will definitely wait until the 4G/LTE rollout. It just doesn't make sense to develop a device with CDMA/EVDO chips only to replace it with a CDMA/EVDO/LTE device less than a year later. (Source: Engadget reporting that VZW expects to have LTE in 30 markets this year, ramping up to almost everywhere by 2013.)

I'm hoping that some chipset maker (Qualcomm?) develops a "universal" 4G chipset that will support both suites of legacy technologies (CDMA/1X/EVDO and GSM/HSPA) in addition to LTE. This would allow Apple and other vendors to quickly and easily make a device that can literally go anywhere. But I'll believe it when I see it.

The other big technical issue is that CDMA devices typically don't have any concept of a SIM card. There is the UICC card standard that can store CSIM data instead of or in addition to SIM, USIM and ISIM data but from what I've been able to determine, these are only used for CDMA in China. As far as I can tell, CDMA systems everywhere else use non-removable storage to hold the network activation data. Without this key concept, you need to have a carrier explicitly activate the device (meaning they can also refuse to activate it) in order to use it with their contract.

Then again, if an hypothetical unlocked Apple CDMA/GSM hybrid device was designed for UICC cards, that might be enough pressure to convince Verizon and Sprint to start supporting UICC cards in general. But that, like a universal 4G chipset, is probably no more than wishful thinking.

But assuming all the above technical hurdles are passed, we still have the giant ego-clash to deal with:

Verizon historically insists that all handset makers customize their UI to fit VZW's standards. You have only to look at popular handsets from Motorola, Blackberry, LG and all the rest to see the extent that Verizon customizes the interface, even for the models where they don't mess around (much) with the feature set.

And going up against this is Apple, which is extremely proud of its groundbreaking UI research and almost certainly doesn't want to change any of it for any carrier.

I doubt Apple is going to budge - they already sell iPhones as fast as they can be made. Adding Verizon support won't change that - it might even hurt, since they'd end up adding at least one more model to the product line. So it would be hard to claim that they are leaving money on the table by not adding VZW (or anyone else, for that matter) as a carrier. Furthermore, Apple has a history of sacrificing market penetration in order to preserve its vision of what the product should be. Apple might not object to bundling an iPad with a Verizon-branded wallpaper or startup icon, or with some preloaded apps, and even a Verizon logo etched on the back-case below the Apple logo, but I don't think they will ever allow customization beyond that.

On the Verizon size, I think it will be money vs. ego. How much money will they stand to gain by selling iPads and iPhones? Keep in mind that we're talking about new customers and customers upgrading from ordinary phones. People switching from other VZW smartphones or laptop connectivity devices won't add any new monthly-contract money. The question will be if that dollar amount is big enough to convince them to swallow their pride and sell a device with little-to-no brand-customization.
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You know it would be much easier for Apple to bring on T-Mobile than Verizon. T-Mobile's network is GSM. I liked T-Mobile when I was with them. I only left since my phone was issued by my employer and they use Verizon.

Well, the iPad is already unlocked, so if T-Mobile releases a micro-SIM card, it should work. But it's my understanding that T-Mobile's 3G network uses different frequencies from AT&T's and the iPad doesn't support T-Mobile's, so if you do that, you'll be stuck at EDGE speeds.

Hopefully, future iPads will support the full range of 3G frequencies, allowing T-Mobile customer to bring over their own SIM cards.

Of course, this is far more critical an issue for the iPhone (where the problem is locking, not choice of frequencies). With an iPad and its low-price no-contract data service, there may not be a compelling reason for a T-Mobile customer to not just subscribe to AT&T for iPad data, leaving his phone service where it already is.
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Originally Posted by ncee View Post

Folks

Heaven forbid that VERIZON wants to CONTROL everything?

And why is it ok the STEVE / APPLE Control everything, other then the fact, it's their products?

And what is "Everything"? And who said Steve / Apple or Verizon wanted to control everything?
Oh, that was a rumor, I get it.

Skip

The Telcos have been in a battle to control more than the "dumb pipe" for years. Verizon especially has succeeded to this end through their various control initiatives and FiOS. While Apple's control isn't better than end-user control, to-date it has been significantly better than pure control by either content provider or the pipe provider.
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Originally Posted by Foo2 View Post

FWIW, the scuttlebutt surrounding the original iPhone launch was that AT&T had a 5-year exclusive contract with Apple. ... takes us to mid-2012, when 4G LTE should be widely available. Verizon could have a shot at the iPhone then, without Apple necessarily having to support Verizon's CDMA.

The 5-year contract was always rumor. Pundits today are claiming that it was actually a 3-year contract, which means "some time this year".

As for 4G, you're still going to want backward compatibility to CDMA if you choose to support VZW customers. Not every cell will be upgraded and you don't want customers stuck in a "4G or nothing" scenario.
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

Verizon will never get Apple products, period.

"Never" is a very long time. Lots of companies have gone broke betting that things would "never" happen.

Circumstances change, contracts expire and get re-negotiated, etc. "unlikely for this year" is a logical conclusion. "unlikely for the next 2-3 years" is logical but less probable. "never" is just meaningless hyperbole.
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Heaven forbid that VERIZON wants to CONTROL everything?
And why is it ok the STEVE / APPLE Control everything, other then the fact, it's their products?

Apple gets slammed plenty of times when they try to exert control. Do you think developers like Apple's restrictions on what can be sold in the App Store? Do you think customers like having no other place to buy iPhone apps? They are also praised when they exert control that customers like (e.g. iTunes Store music sale policies). They have a strong vision for their products - which some like and some do not like - and they fight as hard as possible to bring that vision to customers. Right or wrong, that is the way they are.

Historically, VZW has ticked off lots of customers with their business practices. They customize the interface on every handset they sell. They often disable key features, either altogether, or charging extra to turn them on again. They do a lot of things customers don't like, but they get away with it because they've got the most reliable voice network in the US, and that counts for a lot.

We don't know why Apple hasn't made a VZW device yet. Maybe it's for technological reasons. Maybe it's because VZW and Apple have irreconcilable differences regarding product design. Maybe it's just because AT&T was first to sign up. We can make educated guesses based on what we know about the companies, but in the final analysis, that's all they are - educated guesses.
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Originally Posted by Son0fsocal View Post

It seems to me that Clayton Morris is makeing stuff up just so that he
can get somekind of fame.. And he is always wrong, and
I don't know why appleinsider posts his crap all the time
if they know that he's usualy wrong.. I hope we never see the iPhone
on verizon, if only because they are a classless organization,
and useing garilla taktics against their customers and AT&T.
I hate verizon! they are nobetter that metro pcs.. I hope that they
go under soon.. They are what's bad in our wonderfull country!
All of their die hard fans are just DRINKING THE COOLAID!!


And this type of illiterate rapid foaming at the mouth type of post is what you get when you watch too much Keith Olbermann...

Somebody get this Son0fsocal a real education please!
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