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Apple this week expanded its browser-based iTunes Preview, now allowing users to view information on software within the App Store without ever launching iTunes.

Web site links to the iTunes Preview page can be obtained by choosing the "Copy Link" option within the iTunes application. The URL then takes users to an Apple-hosted site that provides a description, price and screenshots of any application on the App Store for the iPhone and iPod touch.

While the iTunes Preview pages do offer a great deal of information about specific applications on the App Store, browsing for new software is not as robust as it is in the standalone iTunes application, or even through iTunes Preview for the music store. For example, clicking on "View More by this Developer" attempts to open iTunes, rather than redirecting to another iTunes Preview Web page.

While links to other applications are available through the "Customers Also Bought" section, there is currently no way to search for specific applications within the browser-based preview.

Users can, however, view system requirements, customer reviews, software update details for specific applications, and are provided direct links to the developer's official Web site and support pages.

Last fall, Apple quietly introduced iTunes Preview, which gave customers the option to view content from the iTunes Music Store without ever launching the media player. Shortly after, Apple added the ability to preview songs with 30-second samples playing from within the browser.



Speculation that Apple could introduce a Web-based iTunes service became rampant in December after Apple purchased streaming music service Lala for $85 million. Apple is rumored to be working on a new usage model that would allow consumers to access and manage their iTunes purchases directly through the Internet, on any device, without downloading the content locally, or even running the iTunes software.
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Sweet! Now we've got two interfaces for the same thing, and the new one is less functional than the old.

But hey at least the Apple devs will be able to cluck about "web standards" (bow, scrape) for a few days before the reality of the above sinks in.
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Like i said for the 30 sec preview going web based:

"A feature nonetheless, but not so useful nonetheless."

If you cannot yet purchase the app without iTunes, it just seems Apple is keeping some interns busy with such "features".
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Hey People, I hadn't seen this before.


Do you know where Apple ripped off iBooks?

Take a look of this:

http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/M...294773236&mt=8



Apple is just fucking ripping these guys.

What do they say:

Quote:
Many of you have been contacting us with questions about Apple's recently announced iBooks for iPad. We have no involvement, but we are proud to have influenced the future user interface of digital reading.

Ain't that nice and generous of them? Not even asked. What shit is this?
post #5 of 34
It was pretty obvious this would happen after acquiring Lala.
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Sweet! Now we've got two interfaces for the same thing, and the new one is less functional than the old.

But hey at least the Apple devs will be able to cluck about "web standards" (bow, scrape) for a few days before the reality of the above sinks in.

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Originally Posted by Chintan100 View Post

Like i said for the 30 sec preview going web based:

"A feature nonetheless, but not so useful nonetheless."

If you cannot yet purchase the app without iTunes, it just seems Apple is keeping some interns busy with such "features".

I think you two are being harsh. Apple could have gone the MobileMe route by releasing it "feature complete" to the public despite no external testing. I wish they would have released it to a few people at a time akin to how Google often does it, but they did it.

That methodology doesn't quite work with an open store but they can build it piece by piece. I would expect Apple will make a huge deal about it once it's complete. The second comings of the iTunes Store. Perhaps by then iTunes X will have the 64-bit/Cocoa rewrite it needs, but that seems like a September announcement.

PS: If Apple thinks Chrome OS will gain any traction they'll have to make a web-based version of iTunes to sync iDevices. Apple can't loose this potentially large base of users without risking future demise of their popular app.
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Originally Posted by LuisDias View Post

Hey People, I hadn't seen this before.


Do you know where Apple ripped off iBooks?

Take a look of this:

http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/M...294773236&mt=8



Apple is just fucking ripping these guys.

What do they say:



Ain't that nice and generous of them? Not even asked. What shit is this?




http://www.cultofmac.com/delicious-m...nterface/28647

A lot of commentators on the iPad noticed the similarity between Delicious Library and the iBooks virtual bookshelves for the display of e-book titles. So did Delicious Monsters Wil Shipley.

Talking to the Washington Post, Shipley seemed upset but also seemed to understand.

But the thing about iBooks is, its a book-reader. So, of course they looked around, found the best interface for displaying books (Delicious Librarys shelves), and said: yup, this is what were doing

Shipley then notes that he actually understands why Apple couldnt write him a check: it would have been taken as a legal admission that Apple copied his design, and since Delicious Librarys UI isnt copyrighted or patented, it actually would open up culpability, not close it.

But Shipley then continued with some somber thoughts on what it feels like as an author to see your work copied, yet unrecognized:

As a creator, part of what I seek is recognition, immortality. I dont work for Apple, or Google (Ive been offered jobs & buyouts) because I want the fame myself. Its my shot at immortality. My designs are my children. So it stinks when I feel like Steve might get the fame for my innovation. I lose my children, as it were.

But your children arent really yours. They have lives of their own. So when your designs do change the world, you have to accept it. You have to say, Ok, this was such a good idea, other people took it and ran with it. I win.


I think this is an adult reaction, and as Shipley notes, it seems like hes turned down the same job offers that Apple made most of his Delicious Library colleagues.

Still, it does seem like some bad cricket on Apples part. The inspiration and, some might say, downright plagiarism seems pretty clear: its frankly impossible that Apple was unfamiliar with Shipleys work.

Ultimately, though, it seems like Shipley is resigned to being reluctantly flattered by the iBooks swipe. Hopefully, though, hell have learned a lesson: next time he comes up with a great idea, hell make sure it is patented.
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Originally Posted by LuisDias View Post

Hey People, I hadn't seen this before.
Do you know where Apple ripped off iBooks?
Take a look of this:
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/M...294773236&mt=8
image: http://a1.phobos.apple.com/us/r1000/...480x480-75.jpg
Apple is just fucking ripping these guys.

That conclusion is erroneous. Delicious Monster was using the obvious wood shelf design log before iBooks was a glyph in the developer's eye.

Example: http://images.google.com/images?q=de...ibrary%20books
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post #9 of 34
Well, go and see a movie about this small app that was ripped, and how it works. It's exactly equal to the iBook. It's not just the bookshelf.

Not that I don't mind people borrowing ideas, but it's pretty lame and hypocritical of Apple. They could have said something.
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Originally Posted by LuisDias View Post

Hey People, I hadn't seen this before.

Do you know where Apple ripped off iBooks?

Apple is just fucking ripping these guys.

What do they say:

Ain't that nice and generous of them? Not even asked. What shit is this?


Oops . . . troll fail.

Common interface.

http://xander.am0.co.uk/2008/10/classics-iphone-ap ...

http://code.google.com/p/shelves/

http://www.gadgetvenue.com/iphone-c64-emulator-090 ...

http://www.gstsdesigns.com/Educational/SoftTouch/M ...

http://scottrhoades.com/wordpress/?p=146

FYI:

Delicious Monster Visual Designer = Mike Matas
Sr Visual Designer at Apple = Mike Matas (left Apple July 2009)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delicious_Monster
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

That conclusion is erroneous. Delicious Monster was using the obvious wood shelf design log before iBooks was a glyph in the developer's eye.

Example: http://images.google.com/images?q=de...ibrary%20books


Who said anything about DM? I was talking about the Classics app. Go see a youtube clip of it. The UI is fucking equal to the iBook.
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Oops . . . troll fail.

Talk about trolling when you troll me about DM!
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

http://www.cultofmac.com/delicious-m...nterface/28647
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Ultimately, though, it seems like Shipley is resigned to being reluctantly flattered by the iBooks swipe. Hopefully, though, he’ll have learned a lesson: next time he comes up with a great idea, he’ll make sure it is patented.

Yeah, there is no reason for him to be upset. He's been made offers but wants fame to show to his children, not security (lame). He failed to patent or copyright anything; though I'm not even sure you can since It's a fraken wood bookshelf, which is common in real life and obviously where he got the idea from.
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Who said anything about DM? I was talking about the Classics app. Go see a youtube clip of it. The UI is fucking equal to the iBook.



















Delicious Monster Visual Designer = Mike Matas
Sr Visual Designer at Apple = Mike Matas (left Apple July 2009)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delicious_Monster
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Originally Posted by LuisDias View Post

Who said anything about DM? I was talking about the Classics app. Go see a youtube clip of it. The UI is fucking equal to the iBook.

That is the point. You're ignoring even earlier inspirations for the app design. There is nothing in the UI or transitions that we haven't seen for years. If a developer feels they have something worth protecting they should be protecting it. As you can see from their comments they know are a couple bookends short of a legal case.
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Originally Posted by ascii View Post

Sweet! Now we've got two interfaces for the same thing, and the new one is less functional than the old.

But hey at least the Apple devs will be able to cluck about "web standards" (bow, scrape) for a few days before the reality of the above sinks in.


Right. Opening up content delivery and making it more accessible is a horrible idea.
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Originally Posted by ascii View Post

Sweet! Now we've got two interfaces for the same thing, and the new one is less functional than the old.

But hey at least the Apple devs will be able to cluck about "web standards" (bow, scrape) for a few days before the reality of the above sinks in.

Glass half-empty much?

Your comments are not only wrong, they don't make much sense. Either you don't understand what's going on with the new preview site or you just enjoy being pissy about stuff.
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Talk about trolling when you troll me about DM!

Is Luis Dias the new teckstud? I find it hard to keep track of his alt accounts.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

Glass half-empty much?

Your comments are not only wrong, they don't make much sense. Either you don't understand what's going on with the new preview site or you just enjoy being pissy about stuff.

Is there some troll holiday today that we dont know about?

Maybe it's the Troll New Year.
post #20 of 34
Well I guess a fully operating browser based version means that the iPad will have pretty much a full version of iTunes, which would be great.

Re. The rip off of Delicious library - it's a bookcase, Delicious weren't the first with that and can hardly lay claim to the concept. Yes of course it's more than a coincidence, but the reason for the similarity is obvious.

Edit.)

I've just had a look up this topic - it's incredible that people are arguing over the fact that an application for books uses a book case model as it's inspiration. A little bit crazy of people for people to get worked up about. It's a book case - I don't think anyone can lay a patent on that concept.
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But the thing about iBooks is, its a book-reader. So, of course they looked around, found the best interface for displaying books (Delicious Librarys shelves), and said: yup, this is what were doing

No, they looked around for the best interface for dispaying books and settled on a book case. not "delicious library's shelves". That's just a silly thing to say.

I did a site about five years ago for a client selling books on line - and guess what, they're displayed on a bookcase. This is nothing new. I have no idea why people are getting so upset about it, or what this has to do with the original topic.
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Originally Posted by nkhm View Post

No, they looked around for the best interface for dispaying books and settled on a book case. not "delicious library's shelves". That's just a silly thing to say.

I think that the surprise is from folks who think that Apple is an innovative company instead of a "me too" company. I was quite surprised at the "me too" ripoff that they released as the iBook app. If Apple intends to do for the publishing industry what it did to the music industry, they need than to better than copy a recipe and produce an undistinguished copyapp.
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"there is currently no way to search for specific applications"

instead of using the Apple page, try http://www.appexplorer.com/
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Originally Posted by LuisDias View Post

Hey People, I hadn't seen this before.


Do you know where Apple ripped off iBooks?

Forget the guys who built the Classics interface. I bet the first bookstore to display books like this is steaming, too.
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I think that the surprise is from folks who think that Apple is an innovative company instead of a "me too" company. I was quite surprised at the "me too" ripoff that they released as the iBook app. If Apple intends to do for the publishing industry what it did to the music industry, they need than to better than copy a recipe and produce an undistinguished copyapp.

A copy of what? Of a book store?

Delicious is not an eBook purchasing application.

If apple aren't allowed (in your opinion) to present books in a way they've been presented for a couple of centuries then what do you suggest?

This entire debate is ridiculous.

Maybe in order to 'think different', Apple should present the books in an interface like a fairground, with the books spinning around a ferris wheel operated by mutant alien frog people?! Are you suggesting they have to do something new simply because the store is new?

Display books = bookcase. Did delicious (or any software company) invent that?
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

I think that the surprise is from folks who think that Apple is an innovative company instead of a "me too" company. I was quite surprised at the "me too" ripoff that they released as the iBook app. If Apple intends to do for the publishing industry what it did to the music industry, they need than to better than copy a recipe and produce an undistinguished copyapp.

Except that Apple owned the designer of Delicious.

Delicious Monster Visual Designer = Mike Matas
Sr Visual Designer at Apple = Mike Matas (left Apple July 2009)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delicious_Monster
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

I think that the surprise is from folks who think that Apple is an innovative company instead of a "me too" company. I was quite surprised at the "me too" ripoff that they released as the iBook app. If Apple intends to do for the publishing industry what it did to the music industry, they need than to better than copy a recipe and produce an undistinguished copyapp.

Also, there is surprise that Apple chose a two facing pages look for the landscape display of these "books", which is a total ripoff of books. If they were really as "innovative" as their apologists claim, they would have had the pages display as windows in a building, or facets of a rotating icosahedron, or on the backs of passing birds.

Also, have you seen their calendar app? Outright theft of calenders. The days go from Monday through Sunday, left to right, with the hours displayed vertically and the month as text at the top. Really, check it out sometime, it's shameless. I'd be surprised if Pope Gregory doesn't sue, although of course the fan boys would be all like "WTF he's been dead for over 500 years, he has no standing!" Stupid fan boys.
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post #28 of 34
The web interface will be more efficient as you can have tabs. This way you can compare two apps side-by-side. It will also allow websites to more easily generate statistics about the App Store.

The App Store doesn't really need to be in itunes at all. Download links should just open in itunes.

This will mean it also doesn't freak people out when a web link opens itunes up. That was a bit worrying the first time I clicked an itunes link. It will instead just load another web page.
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Also, there is surprise that Apple chose a two facing pages look for the landscape display of these "books", which is a total ripoff of books. If they were really as "innovative" as their apologists claim, they would have had the pages display as windows in a building, or facets of a rotating icosahedron, or on the backs of passing birds.

Also, have you seen their calendar app? Outright theft of calenders. The days go from Monday through Sunday, left to right, with the hours displayed vertically and the month as text at the top. Really, check it out sometime, it's shameless. I'd be surprised if Pope Gregory doesn't sue, although of course the fan boys would be all like "WTF he's been dead for over 500 years, he has no standing!" Stupid fan boys.

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Also, there is surprise that Apple chose a two facing pages look for the landscape display of these "books", which is a total ripoff of books. If they were really as "innovative" as their apologists claim, they would have had the pages display as windows in a building, or facets of a rotating icosahedron, or on the backs of passing birds.

Also, have you seen their calendar app? Outright theft of calenders. The days go from Monday through Sunday, left to right, with the hours displayed vertically and the month as text at the top. Really, check it out sometime, it's shameless. I'd be surprised if Pope Gregory doesn't sue, although of course the fan boys would be all like "WTF he's been dead for over 500 years, he has no standing!" Stupid fan boys.


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rawesome sauce
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Sweet! Now we've got two interfaces for the same thing, and the new one is less functional than the old.

I don't know, this sounds like a good idea to me. If iTunes isn't running it's kind of slow when the link redirects to and then launches iTunes. That's also annoying if you click a link that you don't realize is an iTunes link. If the app info opens directly in the browser, that will pop up faster for users and feel more integrated with their web browsing.
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I wonder with the iTunes, and App stores now becoming available through the web if we might see Apple finally ditch iTunes as the hub of all the mobile devices. iTunes went from being a great way to organize music to be a kitchen sink solution for everything that needs syncing.
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That conclusion is erroneous. Delicious Monster was using the obvious wood shelf design log before iBooks was a glyph in the developer's eye.

Example: http://images.google.com/images?q=de...ibrary%20books

When I saw the demo of iBooks I gasped, "OMIGOD They stole the interface from Delicious Library!!"
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