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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Anything higher that 480p is officially considered to be hi def according to the broadcasting industry.

**** Got a cite for that wild claim?
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Apart from geeks, most folks want access to the full web. Not just part of it.

the web and users of the web will be far better off when web sites no longer use flash.

Flash is buggy
Flash crashes browsers
Flash drains batteries
Flash is proprietary

The last one is the killer too - it means that Apple, Microsoft, Google, and Mozilla, etc. cannot fix the problems with flash. They are all dependent on another company to implement flash for them. Everything else they can do themselves.

And kids use flash primarily to play games. Why go to the web for games when you have the app store?
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Everything you say is true.

But we don't live in the future. In the present, for better or worse, Bazillions of folks go to flash sites every day. And "someday you won't care about that website - there will be something else, just as good" is hardly an answer to a kid who wants to play Farmville.

The problem is that you have to make the future happen. If Apple hadn't produced a computer with that "slow" GUI, and that "almost useless" mouse, we would all still be using text based machines. If Apple hadn't been the first major computer manufacturer to move to 3.5 floppies, we still might be using 5.25 disks. If they hadn't been the first to move to CD players, we would still be using floppies, and the consumer computer would never have happened on a large scale.

If they didn't first go to CD-R, then we would still be saving to floppies, the same thing for DVD, and a whole lot of other things.

Someone must take that first step. It just so happens to be Apple most of the time.

It's always hard on the first adopters. There's no argument about that. But, truthfully, while I would prefer to have seen Flash on my iPhone, just so that we would have the choice, if it could be done that way (the way I use "Click to Flash on my Mac Pro), I haven't missed it either. Occasionally, I don't see something, but not nearly as much as I expected. A lot of sites are using alternative methods in addition to flash if they detect you don't have it. We're going to see that happening much more often over time.

Look, if this product lacks several features you think you need or want, then buy something else that has them. Or, you can wait for the next version. Flash will likely not happen, but in a year from now, it won't matter as much.

If you're buying this mostly for kids, then I don't know what to say other than ask why are they playing those mind numbing Flash games in the first place? There are pretty good learning games. I used to buy them for my daughter when she was young, and it helped her learn to read by the time she was three. Nobody benefits from those Flash kids games, especially kids.
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**** Got a cite for that wild claim?

If you're going to respond with bad language, it's going to become difficult to do anything but delete you. Keep it down, and ask politely.
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Originally Posted by paxman View Post

Much as I find the whining deafening around here I do think a camera would be good. Who knows if the first rev will feature one or not. I wouldn't be surprised. A camera on the iPad will perhaps be less useful than on the iPhone but I can see many situations in which it would be handy - or fun. To snap a photo of someone in order to put it into you address book would be an unnecessarily convoluted procedure without a built in cam. Need to scan a document? Take a picture. FrontRow fun for kids, video conferencing. etc.

Sounds like a "nice feature" not a "must have". Personally I'd rather take a picture on my iPhone and let mobileme update my contact info automatically. Of course not everyone is set up that way, but almost everyone does have some form of a camera with them and the iPad can accept camera input through USB or a SD card. I just don't understand why people find it so important. As you've stated there are situations where a camera would be nice, but none of those really represent how a camera would be a requirement.
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

Yep. When you're right, you're right.

He should have said "extremely limited multitasking". The distinction is quite important.

Multi tasking is great and very useful. BUT I believe you fail to see this in the right context. Most people don't use multitasking like you are I might do. Most people do one thing, then the other. I definitely fall into the power user group yet I rarely find the lack of true multi tasking a problem on the iphone. But forget 'us' for a second. For the majority of people the advantages of no multitasking and a super fast launching single function app environment is a very clear and easy to use user experience. It may not be ideal for 'power use' but its not meant to be used like that. For that Apple has a range of lap tops. Its like complaining that your MacBookPro has limitations when it comes to high end graphics work. Of course it does - that's why you have your MacPro buzzing in your office. 'Extremely limited multitasking' in the context of the iphone, or iPad has more advantages than disadvantages for the average user.
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Originally Posted by paxman View Post

C'mon. Ever read while taking a crap? How about hanging it on the wall in your kitchen? It would be the coolest audio control center in your living room. I know nothing about the way you live but I do know you have the money and don't you just want one? Just a little?

I have an iPhone and 13" MBP for my pooping needs. The place between those two devices isn't big enough. No, if I needed it for work ro had a desktop or simple phone it might serve my purposes better. If they ever offer dynamic magazine and newspaper publishing I'll be first in line.

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**** Got a cite for that wild claim?

SDTV = 4801/576i
EDTV 480p/576p
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

We're not talking about "netbooks" as a nebulous category. The OP said "any netbook", as in "even the best netbook".

And to use your listed criteria, many high end netbooks have plenty of CPU and RAM for Ubuntu or XP. The screens are bigger in many cases than the iPad, and at any rate, they use a modern aspect ratio. And they have bigger keyboards than the iPad, given that they exist widescreen 10 or 12 inch models.

So why is the "Pad better than any netbook?

To say that something may replace a netbook isn't saying that it is the same thing as a netbook.

I bought my daughter a Toshiba NB205 which had come out two weeks earlier, and had received very good reviews at the time. That was in early July. It cost $400, and I bought the 2 Gb upgrade for $69. So we're talking a $500 machine essentially. She wanted it for her summer in school in the UK to use for Skype, IM, the web, writing assignments and other light weight stuff.

But the thing is horribly slow. I mean horribly. Despite having the fastest Atom chip, its difficult to use it's so slow. I've checked out others, and they're all the same, except that the cheaper ones were even slower.

So sure, it's got a lot of features, runs a PC OS and stuff, but whats it really good for? Not much. Can't play any useful games on it, she tried, and she's a serious gamer. I mean, serious! Even the web using Wifi is slow.

So the iPad can replace that without having all the features that slow it down so much. Ever seriously try to multitask on one of these? It's a joke!
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

But the thing is horribly slow. I mean horribly. Despite having the fastest Atom chip, its difficult to use it's so slow. I've checked out others, and they're all the same, except that the cheaper ones were even slower.

So sure, it's got a lot of features, runs a PC OS and stuff, but whats it really good for? Not much. Can't play any useful games on it, she tried, and she's a serious gamer. I mean, serious! Even the web using Wifi is slow.

Try some Flash video above 360p. 480p might work (never worked for me) but 720p is going to be out of the question.
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

That the other points listed are all subordinate, and as such, are unimportant in the final analysis.

Yeah, I get that. My question was, are you suggesting that's good, bad, whatever? It wasn't clear, since all you seemed to be saying was a profit-maximizing firm is simply maximizing profits using its pricing decisions.

I thought that there was something more subtle you were trying to get at there...... but I am sure I was mistaken.
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Originally Posted by tomhenning View Post

There was probably a similar response when Amana introduced the Radarange in 1967. These days we call it a "microwave."

Can you imagine what the chefs were saying? "Can't use metal pots! Doesn't brown! $495! That's a deal-breaker for me."

The survey is of very limited significance and simply shows that there's a difference between fantasy and reality for any manufactured device.

You don't actually cook, do you? From a cooks point of view, a microwave is still a rather limited speciality device even now more than 40 years later. The microwave hasn't swept away the oven or the stove. It's great for warming things up, but for actually making stuff: the old school devices still rule roost.

Oddly enough, the "food geeks" in 1967 were probably interested in what they might get out of the original radar range. They just weren't unrealistic about it. They certainly weren't Amana brand partisans.

Part of these results show people losing interest in the iPad after they realize that it's not going to be what they imagined of it. Whip up the hype machine too much and some people are bound to be dissapointed in the end.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Try some Flash video above 360p. 480p might work (never worked for me) but 720p is going to be out of the question.

Which device are you talking about?
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

You don't seem to understand or realize that at launch the iPad has a built in ecosystem of 140,000 apps.

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A lot of those 140K apps make up for the fact that there isn't a fully functional web browser on the device. They have taken the open device independent web and rolled the clock back to the 80s. That's hardly something to brag about.

It has 140K "apps" but is still missing a couple of really important ones.

The iTunes store is the same way. Sure it has plenty of stuff. But there is also plenty of stuff it doesn't have.
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Originally Posted by JEDIDIAH View Post

You don't actually cook, do you? From a cooks point of view, a microwave is still a rather limited speciality device even now more than 40 years later. The microwave hasn't swept away the oven or the stove. It's great for warming things up, but for actually making stuff: the old school devices still rule roost.

Oddly enough, the "food geeks" in 1967 were probably interested in what they might get out of the original radar range. They just weren't unrealistic about it. They certainly weren't Amana brand partisans.

Part of these results show people losing interest in the iPad after they realize that it's not going to be what they imagined of it. Whip up the hype machine too much and some people are bound to be dissapointed in the end.

My wife and I cook a good deal. We're considered to be "foodies", $10,000 range and all that kind of stuff. But still, the microwave does far more than warming things up.

If you don't know how to cook, a microwave does little, but if you do, it becomes an essential part of your equipment.

The iPad will have a big place in the computer world. But people who don't understand what it's about will dismiss it. Just as you're dismissing the microwave.
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Which device are you talking about?

Netbook. Sorry, copied wrong text.
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Originally Posted by JEDIDIAH View Post

A lot of those 140K apps make up for the fact that there isn't a fully functional web browser on the device. They have taken the open device independent web and rolled the clock back to the 80s. That's hardly something to brag about.

It has 140K "apps" but is still missing a couple of really important ones.

The iTunes store is the same way. Sure it has plenty of stuff. But there is also plenty of stuff it doesn't have.

It's still a better browser than any of the other phones have. I notice how slowly they render pages with flash Ads and other junk. Some sites with embedded Flash crash some of those phones as well.

I'll do without it.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Netbook. Sorry, copied wrong text.

Flash video take some while to get started up, and then often jerks around. but that's true for most video on the thing that's bigger than 480 x 320.
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Originally Posted by OskiO View Post

Speaking of a broken record....do you have a cushioned seat on that bandwagon?

I have no doubt the iPad will sell millions. There are a lot of people out there looking for a color screened eBook reader. Not me, I want a little more from the device than just browsing the web and reading books.

To me the iPad is like the first generation iPhone, it was a revolutionary piece of crap. When the 3GS came along I grabbed one knowing it was finally a great device. Same thing with the iPad...I'll buy the third version.

Funny, I thought it played videos, music, podcasts, allowed you to install thousands of apps (among them a production suite) among other stuff

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Originally Posted by Jerseymac View Post

Agree with you. The iPad should do more than the iPhone, not less.

Less than the iPhone? Wha-?

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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

What mobile device are you kids carrying around that plays Flash games?

Why would anyone play Flash games when they have access to Myst, Civilization, Need for Speed, etc... ?

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Originally Posted by RichyS View Post

Yup, the iPod Touch has really bombed without those apps.

Oh wait...

Good one.

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Flash, Americans lose interest in Super Bowl after the game. (Borrowed from another forum)

I ROLF'ed.

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Originally Posted by hillstones View Post

It is amazing what the little fanboys here will believe in. They actually think the iPad is more than an iPod Touch. Not everything from Apple becomes popular.

It is amazing how many little trolls we are seeing over these forums.

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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

If you're buying this mostly for kids, then I don't know what to say other than ask why are they playing those mind numbing Flash games in the first place? There are pretty good learning games. I used to buy them for my daughter when she was young, and it helped her learn to read by the time she was three. Nobody benefits from those Flash kids games, especially kids.

Educational games are nice but I rarely found good ones over here at South America. You may find this hard to believe, but I became #1 in History class just playing Total War games (Empire:Total War was horrible, by the way)

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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

It's still a better browser than any of the other phones have. I notice how slowly they render pages with flash Ads and other junk. Some sites with embedded Flash crash some of those phones as well.

I'll do without it.

My iPhone gets a better SunSpider benchmark result than IE7 on my work desktop (Dual 2.8ghz Pentium D with 2GBs of RAM).

Now that's funny...

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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

To say that something may replace a netbook isn't saying that it is the same thing as a netbook.

I bought my daughter a Toshiba NB205 which had come out two weeks earlier, and had received very good reviews at the time. That was in early July. It cost $400, and I bought the 2 Gb upgrade for $69. So we're talking a $500 machine essentially. She wanted it for her summer in school in the UK to use for Skype, IM, the web, writing assignments and other light weight stuff.

But the thing is horribly slow. I mean horribly. Despite having the fastest Atom chip, its difficult to use it's so slow. I've checked out others, and they're all the same, except that the cheaper ones were even slower.

So sure, it's got a lot of features, runs a PC OS and stuff, but whats it really good for? Not much. Can't play any useful games on it, she tried, and she's a serious gamer. I mean, serious! Even the web using Wifi is slow.

So the iPad can replace that without having all the features that slow it down so much. Ever seriously try to multitask on one of these? It's a joke!

The only good netbook there is is that Alienware Gaming Netbook, which is actually a small notebook that costs $900... $70 more than the top-of-the-line iPad.

I am mostly intrigued about that A4 processor. For what we've seen it could easily outperform a 1.8GHz C2D

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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

1) Having Flash Lite doesn't give you access to the "full web" so these 2007 talking points are pretty lame.
2) Having a full version of Flash doesn't give you access to the "full web" if you consider plug-ins and browser-specific code relevant.

True. You need more than just Flash. The additional stuff needed is another reason to be hesitant of a device which doesn't offer a variety of competent browsers.

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3) This device is not designed for "geeks". The sooner you realize that the sooner you understand Apple's market strategy.

Tell you what. I'll realize that BEFORE you start responding to what I actually say.

Wait - I already realize it! And you still respond to your imaginings rather than my words.

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2) DVD resolution is 480p/576p. The iPad output H.264, 720p @ 30fps. A little more than "better than DVD" and claiming 720p is not HD is silly.

It cannot display 720p widescreen. In 720p, it is 4:3.

In widescreen, the vertical resolution is 576 (please double check my arithmetic), hardly better than DVD, and certainly not HD.

Let's not argue about what any of these words mean. I think we both understand each other's points.

It's very cool that the iPad can output 720p, so you can hook it up to the TV. But I don't understand the lack of HDMI.



Me too and I can see not useful thing this device can do for me, but it's obvious it will be the most successful tablet to date.[/QUOTE]
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Originally Posted by Lukeskymac View Post

The only good netbook there is is that Alienware Gaming Netbook, which is actually a small notebook that costs $900... $70 more than the top-of-the-line iPad.

I am mostly intrigued about that A4 processor. For what we've seen it could easily outperform a 1.8GHz C2D

The Alienware isn't really a netbook, of course. It's weird how the definitions for computers get misty around the edges.

How do we tell a $1,000 netbook from a $400 notebook, esp when they have the same cpu?
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Originally Posted by Carmissimo View Post

It's not about raw numbers. For instance, you talk about how many millions of full-feature apps are available to netbook users but overlook the fact that your typical netbook

"Your typical netbook" isn't what the OP was comparing with the iPad. He siad that the iPad is better than any netbook on the market. I was wondering why he thinks that.
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

What survey have you ever seen where 100% were in agreement? The fact is right now the iPad is rather underwhelming. You act like somehow when consumers get it in their hands its going to change to something other then an larger iPod Touch. Like I said before right now the iPad is better known for what it lacks rather then what it has to offer.

That's why it would be interesting. I didn't bring it up.

So far, the iPad looks great. The most fascinating new device since the iPhone. It will be popular. You have your prejudices. That's fine. But you're trying real hard to ignore what it can do.
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

]Let's not argue about what any of these words mean. I think we both understand each other's points.

It's very cool that the iPad can output 720p, so you can hook it up to the TV. But I don't understand the lack of HDMI.

No, you don't understand otherwise you wouldn't be asking about HDMI.

It can output 720p iTS HD video to its built-in display, it can be hooked up to a TV and it can output WXGA over the VGA cable. It cannot, according to the spec sheet, output 720p video over the component cables.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

No, you don't understand otherwise you wouldn't be asking about HDMI.

It can output 720p iTS HD video to its built-in display, it can be hooked up to a TV and it can output WXGA over the VGA cable. It cannot, according to the spec sheet, output 720p video over the component cables.

HD is also 1024 x 768 screens. Actually, over those screens the pixels get distorted, as on early plasma's which were Hi Def, or it gets shown at a lower horizontal rez with the vertical 1024 in place. There were many plasma's that were also 1024 x 1024 with non square pixels that were also hi def. Very confusing to those who don't understand the field.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

1) If you don't make inroads to change tech it's not going to magically change.

2) Screw Farmville! You're finding a specific use for a specific user. That isn't how devices are designed.

3) No one is saying Flash doesn't have it's place, but mobile devices is not of them.

4) Some Good info: : http://daringfireball.net/2010/02/wi...open_standards

5) YouTube and Vimeo moving to HTMl5. Others will follow. Hulu is a video site, not a Flash site, they will move to HTML5 this year.

6) Mozilla on Firefox 3 for Maemo, "The Adobe Flash plugin used on many sites degraded the performance of the browser to the point where it didnt meet our standards." http://blog.pavlov.net/2010/01/27/fi...for-maemo-rc3/

7) Now it's rumoured that WinMo 7 won't have Flash support, either.

it's not just Apple, it's mobile computing in general, and it's because Adobe dropped the ball years ago. Enough with the anti-Apple crap.



The subject at hand is whether the average shmoe (Apple's iPad customers) will miss flash. IMO, they will.

I don't understand how your post is responsive to the point I was making.
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Originally Posted by alandail View Post

the web and users of the web will be far better off when web sites no longer use flash.

Flash is buggy
Flash crashes browsers
Flash drains batteries
Flash is proprietary

The last one is the killer too - it means that Apple, Microsoft, Google, and Mozilla, etc. cannot fix the problems with flash. They are all dependent on another company to implement flash for them. Everything else they can do themselves.

And kids use flash primarily to play games. Why go to the web for games when you have the app store?

That is all true. Nonetheless, what is also true is the web runs on it and few are in any kind of hurry to change that. You can either have flash or have a lot of things just not load and pray that a miracle happens and everyone magically goes to HTML5 overnight.
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

HD is also 1024 x 768 screens. Actually, over those screens the pixels get distorted, as on early plasma's which were Hi Def, or it gets shown at a lower horizontal rez with the vertical 1024 in place. There were many plasma's that were also 1024 x 1024 with non square pixels that were also hi def. Very confusing to those who don't understand the field.

Yeah, I remember the old 1024 x 1024 displays. I also remember customers paying us $7k and up for those things. Fujitsu, if I recall, was the one who made the 1024 x 1024 plasma panels and OEM'ed them to Sony as well.
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Originally Posted by jnjnjn View Post

Wow, with that much trust in a company you shouldn't buy anything from them. And so, why bother?
As a Dutch saying goes: "zoals de waard is vertrouwd hij z'n gasten". I think that sums it up quit nicely.
Do you have a personal (factual) reason to be so negative?

J.

How about Apple have done this before?

Apple sold a version of the iPod Touch which had a bluetooth chip inside without telling purchasers. They then later said they could activate the bluetooth by paying $10 for new firmware.
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

The subject at hand is whether the average shmoe (Apple's iPad customers) will miss flash. IMO, they will.

I don't understand how your post is responsive to the point I was making.

His post was responsive because he was showing how Flash is disappearing.
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Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post

That is all true. Nonetheless, what is also true is the web runs on it and few are in any kind of hurry to change that. You can either have flash or have a lot of things just not load and pray that a miracle happens and everyone magically goes to HTML5 overnight.

The web doesn't run on Flash. Some services use it. They are disposable. They will be disposed of. The only question is how long it will take.
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Originally Posted by cnocbui View Post

How about Apple have done this before?

Apple sold a version of the iPod Touch which had a bluetooth chip inside without telling purchasers. They then later said they could activate the bluetooth by paying $10 for new firmware.

You are oversimplifying a complex issue.
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Thats easy. Netbooks are a compromise in every possible way. Run a mainsteam OS but not enough memory or cpu. Too small a keyboard and screen. Poor user experience.

geez, drink the Jobs Kool Aid much?

I have a Dell Mini 9 w/2GB of ram on which I dual boot jolicloud & Leopard. Though the keyboard seemed small at first I adjusted (as I had to when I got the iPhone) and I run iWork, iLife and more on this little computer, I can fully surf the web (flash too), I used skype to video conference back home with the webcam and I can expand my memory with SD cards. All that and I can carry it in my jacket pocket like I did during a two week trip to Europe in the fall. It's not my every day computer, I often go a couple of weeks without firing it up, but it's a fully capable travel computer when I want something that DOES NOT have any major compromises but don't want to lug my 15" MBP with me.

It's a great user experience for this user.
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Originally Posted by FuturePastNow View Post

$130 extra for 3G is a rip-off. The chip and antenna probably cost $0.50. Hell, the chip is probably just disabled in the non-3G.

I don't like dong stuff like this and don't condone it but it's ironic that the underground people who brought us google voice via jailbreaking to teethering and multitasking, that they will probably be the ones that turn the ipad into the device it "should be" instead of feeling like you have to pay all theses fees for usage when it's really just a way to keep usage down as their 3G is not that fast when compared to wifi. That said. If one has a jailbroken iPhone with teethering, wouldn't that mean that we could get online with the wifi only version via the iPhone?
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Nonetheless it will be intersting to see what the likes of icy, cyndia, osx86 can do.

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if an HP Slate can be turned into a ipad down the road with this group. (See above post). But the irony is if the underground turns the ipad into the device it should be from the start, for example, installing flash into it in order t watch free tv show while in bed or something. Lol. As I have my mbpro hooked up to a highend FireWire device andnseveral hard drives plus a glossy HDMI 24"'display.
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Originally Posted by Avidfcp View Post

Nonetheless it will be intersting to see what the likes of icy, cyndia, osx86 can do.

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if an HP Slate can be turned into a ipad down the road with this group. (See above post). But the irony is if the underground turns the ipad into the device it should be from the start, for example, installing flash into it in order t watch free tv show while in bed or something. Lol. As I have my mbpro hooked up to a highend FireWire device andnseveral hard drives plus a glossy HDMI 24"'display.

Guess what, Slingmedia has a program for the iPhone/Touch that should work on the iPad as well that lets you watch free Tv without Flash. Amazing, isn't it?
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

You are oversimplifying a complex issue.

Specifically, the $10 charge got you iPhone OS 3.0, not just the BT firmware.

Plus, adding 3G to the iPad and not enabling is very much different since the BT module is part of the WiFI module, not extra HW being installed independently but sitting dormant.
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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD View Post

Ouch!
We asked for the world's smallest Mac and instead got the world's largest iPod???

I couldn't have said it more succinctly.

As great as the iPad is as a piece of hardware and software, the fact that it's a closed down, locked down, "hold the user hostage", "treat the user like minor" type of device makes it utterly uninteresting to me and many others I know.

In short, as you put it: we wanted a small mac, even a small Mac with a touch interface, but we got an iPad/iPhone like appliance, that locks us out and tells us what we're allowed to do with it.
I have better ways to waste my hard earned money.

Even though a bit clumsier, for the same money I can make a dual-core, quad-thread NetBook Hackintosh with 640GB disk drive and 8GB RAM. Not as sexy, but a lot more useful, even more useful than a MacBook Air, which with its RAM and HD limits is rather crippled.

It's not thin-ness that matters, but compact size. We live in three dimensions, and Jobs focuses only on how to reduce one of them.

In short, I'm not surprised by these survey results, and I hope that sales for the device will be disappointing and force Apple to rethink its policies. Since Apple is doing well, Jobs goes back to the same evil closed-box policies that got him fired from Apple the first time around.

Only the downfall forced him to open the system up by basing NeXT's OS and lots of tools on open source and open standards. And for a while he was preaching that as a benefit of Mac OS X. Now he closes the doors again, and if the iPad becomes a success, you can bet that the iPads will get bigger, start to have keyboards, and eventually will replace the Mac, just like the Mac replaced the Apple II.

Result: if users don't revolt now, in five or ten years you'll be permanently locked out of your device. The Jailbreaking will only work for a while, and sooner or later the holes will be plugged, and the fun is over.

Think about it, and send relevant feedback to Apple. Maybe it's not too late to make them see the light, although chances are, it's hard to revert greed once it takes hold...
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