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post #241 of 406
2/8/10 at 1:34pm
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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD View Post

Ouch!
We asked for the world's smallest Mac and instead got the world's largest iPod???

I couldn't have said it more succinctly.

As great as the iPad is as a piece of hardware and software, the fact that it's a closed down, locked down, "hold the user hostage", "treat the user like minor" type of device makes it utterly uninteresting to me and many others I know.

In short, as you put it: we wanted a small mac, even a small Mac with a touch interface, but we got an iPad/iPhone like appliance, that locks us out and tells us what we're allowed to do with it.
I have better ways to waste my hard earned money.

Even though a bit clumsier, for the same money I can make a dual-core, quad-thread NetBook Hackintosh with 640GB disk drive and 8GB RAM. Not as sexy, but a lot more useful, even more useful than a MacBook Air, which with its RAM and HD limits is rather crippled.

It's not thin-ness that matters, but compact size. We live in three dimensions, and Jobs focuses only on how to reduce one of them.

In short, I'm not surprised by these survey results, and I hope that sales for the device will be disappointing and force Apple to rethink its policies. Since Apple is doing well, Jobs goes back to the same evil closed-box policies that got him fired from Apple the first time around.

Only the downfall forced him to open the system up by basing NeXT's OS and lots of tools on open source and open standards. And for a while he was preaching that as a benefit of Mac OS X. Now he closes the doors again, and if the iPad becomes a success, you can bet that the iPads will get bigger, start to have keyboards, and eventually will replace the Mac, just like the Mac replaced the Apple II.

Result: if users don't revolt now, in five or ten years you'll be permanently locked out of your device. The Jailbreaking will only work for a while, and sooner or later the holes will be plugged, and the fun is over.

Think about it, and send relevant feedback to Apple. Maybe it's not too late to make them see the light, although chances are, it's hard to revert greed once it takes hold...
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post #242 of 406
2/8/10 at 1:37pm
Here's another look at the survey:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/18880..._is_fuzzy.html
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post #243 of 406
2/8/10 at 1:45pm
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

"Your typical netbook" isn't what the OP was comparing with the iPad. He siad that the iPad is better than any netbook on the market. I was wondering why he thinks that.

Regardless, the fact remains that the typical netbook leaves a lot to be desired. It is, typically, not good at anything and attempts to do everything that we have come to expect our computers to do.

The iPad, in contrast, I expect will be more limited in its list of activities that it allows but will do many of those very well indeed. If that list includes on it enough of the items that people in the real world use their netbooks for, only the iPad is better suited to those activities, I think you'll find that the iPad will carve out a very robust niche for itself.

It will not be all things to all people but a very good solution for enough people to be a sales success. For others who want to do something that falls outside of the iPad's range, naturally those folks will gravitate to other products. Nothing wrong with that.
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post #244 of 406
2/8/10 at 1:47pm
I cannot believe that you guys fell into the same trap as almost all the other blogs and repeated the Retrevo garbage with no analysis!! They clearly cherry-picked their data presentation to provide a negative analysis.

In posts at other sites yesterday I pointed out that their own data also showed that the number of respondents who indicated "Yes I definitely want one" TRIPLED from 3% to 9%.

Mac Daily News took the time to look over the data and posted the article:
"Retrevo survey shows likely iPad buyers tripled after Jobs unveiling "
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/we...omments/23957/
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post #245 of 406
2/8/10 at 1:53pm
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Originally Posted by jmmx View Post

I cannot believe that you guys fell into the same trap as almost all the other blogs and repeated the Retrevo garbage with no analysis!! They clearly cherry-picked their data presentation to provide a negative analysis.

In posts at other sites yesterday I pointed out that their own data also showed that the number of respondents who indicated "Yes I definitely want one" TRIPLED from 3% to 9%.

Mac Daily News took the time to look over the data and posted the article:
"Retrevo survey shows likely iPad buyers tripled after Jobs unveiling "
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/we...omments/23957/

Yeah, we know that. I just posted another.
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post #246 of 406
2/8/10 at 1:56pm
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Originally Posted by rcfa View Post

I couldn't have said it more succinctly.

As great as the iPad is as a piece of hardware and software, the fact that it's a closed down, locked down, "hold the user hostage", "treat the user like minor" type of device makes it utterly uninteresting to me and many others I know.

In short, as you put it: we wanted a small mac, even a small Mac with a touch interface, but we got an iPad/iPhone like appliance, that locks us out and tells us what we're allowed to do with it.
I have better ways to waste my hard earned money.

Even though a bit clumsier, for the same money I can make a dual-core, quad-thread NetBook Hackintosh with 640GB disk drive and 8GB RAM. Not as sexy, but a lot more useful, even more useful than a MacBook Air, which with its RAM and HD limits is rather crippled.

It's not thin-ness that matters, but compact size. We live in three dimensions, and Jobs focuses only on how to reduce one of them.

In short, I'm not surprised by these survey results, and I hope that sales for the device will be disappointing and force Apple to rethink its policies. Since Apple is doing well, Jobs goes back to the same evil closed-box policies that got him fired from Apple the first time around.

Only the downfall forced him to open the system up by basing NeXT's OS and lots of tools on open source and open standards. And for a while he was preaching that as a benefit of Mac OS X. Now he closes the doors again, and if the iPad becomes a success, you can bet that the iPads will get bigger, start to have keyboards, and eventually will replace the Mac, just like the Mac replaced the Apple II.

Result: if users don't revolt now, in five or ten years you'll be permanently locked out of your device. The Jailbreaking will only work for a while, and sooner or later the holes will be plugged, and the fun is over.

Think about it, and send relevant feedback to Apple. Maybe it's not too late to make them see the light, although chances are, it's hard to revert greed once it takes hold...

As if Apple would want to change what it has been doing so successfully the past few years. You make it sound like developing a robust, recession-proof methodology is an evil activity akin to committing some heinous crime against humanity.

If I buy an iPad which performs lots of tasks exceedingly well, what do I care how closed the system is? With my Touch, I rather like that I have had access to a ton of software at very low prices.

Frankly the average consumer couldn't care less about jailbreaking and the like. The average consumer wants something that works very well, that is enjoyable to use, etc.

By the way, if the iPad fails, as you clearly hope it will, it may well mean the death of the tablet form factor. Others have tried to bring along this form factor with no success and if Apple can't do it either, it might well be a long time before anyone else even tries.
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post #247 of 406
2/8/10 at 2:17pm
Somehow, openness seems to be a virtue to some people, like a mantra. It's not. People want to do certain things. If what they buy can do these things, then they're satisfied. If it does it well, they're happy. If it also gives them pleasure when doing it, they're ecstatic.

Most people don't need what we think of as open computing. Most people buy very few programs, and do very little. If this does that for them, it may be all they'll need. It's too small for most people's main computer, but then, the definition of what someone's main computer is, is changing.

Who would have thought, just a few years ago, that so many people would be using a 13" notebook as their only machine? It certainly didn't occur to me.

So if all you do is to browse the web, IM, read and write e-mail, do some shopping, read books and magazines and watch some video and listen to music; then you may not need much more than this. Even if you do your school assignments, you may not need more. We'll have to see about printing, but that may not be a problem. We know it will work with networked printers, or printers with WiFi supposedly.

I have to assume, going by the way Apple advances their products, that more complex functions are not out of the question.
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post #248 of 406
2/8/10 at 2:34pm
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Sorry hmurchison is a moderator/admin and you are not allowed to ignore him or her.

What? Why can't I ignore a moderator? And who made him a moderator? I don't need to to read hmurchison's anti Blu-ray propaganda.
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post #249 of 406
2/8/10 at 2:34pm
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That is all true. Nonetheless, what is also true is the web runs on it and few are in any kind of hurry to change that. You can either have flash or have a lot of things just not load and pray that a miracle happens and everyone magically goes to HTML5 overnight.

Steve Jobs doesn't wait for change to happen on it's own, he initiates change and is typically quite successful at it. There are 75 million iPhone OS devices sold that utilize 50% of the mobile network bandwidth. Apple will sell about 75 million more iPhone OS devices this year (including the iPad). It's quickly reaching the point where web sites needlessly requiring Flash are only hurting themselves. YouTube is already working on a flash free version of their site. Advertisers will have to find some other solution if they want their ads to be seen by these 150 million iPhone OS users.
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post #250 of 406
2/8/10 at 2:35pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Specifically, the $10 charge got you iPhone OS 3.0, not just the BT firmware.

Plus, adding 3G to the iPad and not enabling is very much different since the BT module is part of the WiFI module, not extra HW being installed independently but sitting dormant.

This is about the morality and perception from the point of view of an owner. It is not about splitting some nano scale technical hair about which chip held what capability.

I can just see it now, a disgruntled and pissed off Touch owner being told -

'Hey, chill dude. Yes I know the iPhone users get the OS update for free, and you have to pay $10 for it just to be able to use the Bluetooth you already paid for, but it's not like it was on a separate chip man. That makes it OK, don't you see?'

Don't tell me it was all OK because Bluetooth wasn't in the original spec, I am familiar with that argument.
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post #251 of 406
2/8/10 at 2:40pm
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Originally Posted by rcfa View Post

I couldn't have said it more succinctly.

As great as the iPad is as a piece of hardware and software, the fact that it's a closed down, locked down, "hold the user hostage", "treat the user like minor" type of device makes it utterly uninteresting to me and many others I know.

In short, as you put it: we wanted a small mac, even a small Mac with a touch interface, but we got an iPad/iPhone like appliance, that locks us out and tells us what we're allowed to do with it.
I have better ways to waste my hard earned money.

Even though a bit clumsier, for the same money I can make a dual-core, quad-thread NetBook Hackintosh with 640GB disk drive and 8GB RAM. Not as sexy, but a lot more useful, even more useful than a MacBook Air, which with its RAM and HD limits is rather crippled.

It's not thin-ness that matters, but compact size. We live in three dimensions, and Jobs focuses only on how to reduce one of them.

In short, I'm not surprised by these survey results, and I hope that sales for the device will be disappointing and force Apple to rethink its policies. Since Apple is doing well, Jobs goes back to the same evil closed-box policies that got him fired from Apple the first time around.

Only the downfall forced him to open the system up by basing NeXT's OS and lots of tools on open source and open standards. And for a while he was preaching that as a benefit of Mac OS X. Now he closes the doors again, and if the iPad becomes a success, you can bet that the iPads will get bigger, start to have keyboards, and eventually will replace the Mac, just like the Mac replaced the Apple II.

Result: if users don't revolt now, in five or ten years you'll be permanently locked out of your device. The Jailbreaking will only work for a while, and sooner or later the holes will be plugged, and the fun is over.

Think about it, and send relevant feedback to Apple. Maybe it's not too late to make them see the light, although chances are, it's hard to revert greed once it takes hold...

That's a pretty terrible post. You're mixing several issues and pulling some stuff directly out of your rear end, but hidden in there is a good point.

First of all, Steve Jobs wasn't fired from Apple for creating an 'evil closed-box policies' and he certainly isn't going to get fired now after turning Apple around from being virtually bankrupt to one of the most profitable companies in the industry. I know some Apple fans seem to yearn for the days when Apple was 'nice' and run like a Charity, but if you're going to be locked into something, it might as well be something that's going to last.

When you (and Tekstud) say "we wanted a small Mac", who's "we" in this instance. I don't want a small Mac, I have one. Why do I want a Core 2 Duo to makes notes on and read static text? I wanted an eReader that isn't crap and can do a few other things (iWork for one isn't bad, just think you can do observational experiments, make notes, capture data...).

Your exaggerations do you no credit either. You imply a Core i5 (4 threads) netbook with 640GBs HDD and 8GB of RAM for $499... I'd love to see that...

Your final point about this ecosystem eventually replacing the Mac and thus locking everyone either in or out, depending on your point of view, is actually a good point and is almost lost in the other drivel you posted to get to it. It's possible Apple are driving to that point, but there is a significant gulf between OS X and iPhone OS (whatever Apple claims) and we're at least a decade away from that kind of convergence, but it's an interesting thought, nonetheless. One you should have made at the start of your post and then stopped typing...

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post #252 of 406
2/8/10 at 2:51pm
A 2007 survey by CompeteInc. found that only 15% of respondents indicated that they were 'very likely' or 'extremely likely' to
purchase an iPhone in June, 2007, just prior to its launch date, compared to 26%
in January just after it was announced. In addition, most consumers preferred two separate devices for their phone calls and music needs. Another survey by Harris Interactive found that the largest thing holding consumers back was the $499 pricetag for the iPhone. 40 percent of those interested said they would purchase one after the price came down a bit.

So it looks like the iPad is following a familiar pattern in terms of consumer reaction to impending Apple product releases.
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post #253 of 406
2/8/10 at 3:02pm
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What mobile device are you kids carrying around that plays Flash games?

HP mini 10 with Win 7. All for $249. The point is, this would be an awesome device for my kids but most, if not all the internet games the play are flash. A Little jailbreak here and they can tether off my iPhone while we travel. Works great. No matter what the iPad will not be able too do this for them. If it simply had flash, I could see buying two just for them.
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post #254 of 406
2/8/10 at 3:16pm
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Originally Posted by alandail View Post

Steve Jobs doesn't wait for change to happen on it's own, he initiates change and is typically quite successful at it. There are 75 million iPhone OS devices sold that utilize 50% of the mobile network bandwidth. Apple will sell about 75 million more iPhone OS devices this year (including the iPad). It's quickly reaching the point where web sites needlessly requiring Flash are only hurting themselves. YouTube is already working on a flash free version of their site. Advertisers will have to find some other solution if they want their ads to be seen by these 150 million iPhone OS users.

Youtube has been Flash free from almost the very beginning of the iPhone's release.
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post #255 of 406
2/8/10 at 3:59pm
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Originally Posted by gumguy View Post

Yea and one needs to evaluate how much data they would be using, i.e, 250mg or unlimited 3G ATT plan plus the 3G is PER unit or iPad. With MifI 2200 currently from Sprint or Verizon, one could justify the WiFi only iPad, purchase a 250mg Verizon MiFi plan (currently 39.95) and have up to 5 devices connect to it wirelessly. You really have to evaluate your personal needs. My health care practice will likely purchase WiFi only iPads because we have wireless internet access within the offices and also my home for that matter. If I want to take my iPad where there is no internet access, I have the MiFi. Just my thoughts.

WOW they charge $40 for 250 MB MiFi data compared to AT&T charging $15 for 250 MB data on the iPad?

iPad 3G is not locked into any contract with AT&T, so you can turn it off if you don't need it and back on when you do, does that match MiFi options?

Did you know MiFi is among the world's easiest network components to be taken over by a hacker?
MiFi out of box security = FAIL

People need to lock those things down immediately or see their identity, their finances, their life stolen by some A HOLE.
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post #256 of 406
2/8/10 at 4:00pm
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Originally Posted by Hellacool View Post

HP mini 10 with Win 7. All for $249. The point is, this would be an awesome device for my kids but most, if not all the internet games the play are flash. A Little jailbreak here and they can tether off my iPhone while we travel. Works great. No matter what the iPad will not be able too do this for them. If it simply had flash, I could see buying two just for them.

The reason I bought my netbook was that it was cheaper than loading up on SDHC cards when I was vacationing. In that situation, the iPad simply would be the wrong device.

There is nothing wrong with this. The world would be a scary place if one company completely dominated a given market. Granted, that is essentially what happened with the MP3 market and the iPod but it's hardly Apple's fault that competitors dropped the ball.

Apple isn't trying to cover absolutely every base with the iPad. They are trying to bring to market a product that enough consumers will find worth buying to sell lots of units and make tons of cash. The most important aspect of the marketing of the device will be the user experience. If the first wave of buyers are pleased with the product, it will succeed. As long as Apple is clear about what can be expected from the device and then delivers, they'll be fine. One reason for not having the device run the full Mac OS is that this way, Apple can have more control over what is attempted with it in the wild. The form factor has its limits and Apple wants to manage those limits to avoid customer dissatisfaction. If in the process Apple loses some sales, I would imagine the company would prefer that to having customers whine about how inadequate the iPad is for performing certain functions.
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post #257 of 406
2/8/10 at 4:07pm
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Originally Posted by 4phun View Post

WOW they charge $40 for 250 MB MiFi data compared to AT&T charging $15 for 250 MB data on the iPad?

iPad 3G is not locked into any contract with AT&T, so you can turn it off if you don't need it and back on when you do, does that match MiFi options?

Did you know MiFi is among the world's easiest network components to be taken over by a hacker?
MiFi out of box security = FAIL

People need to lock those things down immediately or see their identity, their finances, their life stolen by some A HOLE.

What are you talking about? Are you calling 3G MiFi?
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post #258 of 406
2/8/10 at 4:08pm
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Originally Posted by FuturePastNow View Post

$130 extra for 3G is a rip-off. The chip and antenna probably cost $0.50. Hell, the chip is probably just disabled in the non-3G.

Yeah because the slot for the SIM card is included in the non-3G version. Sorry but your comment fails due to lack of research.
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post #259 of 406
2/8/10 at 4:13pm
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Originally Posted by Carmissimo View Post

The reason I bought my netbook was that it was cheaper than loading up on SDHC cards when I was vacationing. In that situation, the iPad simply would be the wrong device.

There is nothing wrong with this. The world would be a scary place if one company completely dominated a given market. Granted, that is essentially what happened with the MP3 market and the iPod but it's hardly Apple's fault that competitors dropped the ball.

Apple isn't trying to cover absolutely every base with the iPad. They are trying to bring to market a product that enough consumers will find worth buying to sell lots of units and make tons of cash. The most important aspect of the marketing of the device will be the user experience. If the first wave of buyers are pleased with the product, it will succeed. As long as Apple is clear about what can be expected from the device and then delivers, they'll be fine. One reason for not having the device run the full Mac OS is that this way, Apple can have more control over what is attempted with it in the wild. The form factor has its limits and Apple wants to manage those limits to avoid customer dissatisfaction. If in the process Apple loses some sales, I would imagine the company would prefer that to having customers whine about how inadequate the iPad is for performing certain functions.

In addition, running Mac OS X would require the Atom chip, which simply isn't low enough power for these devices. If you could see the giant battery on my daughter's Toshiba netbook, which is rated for 9 hours, but which actually delivers about 6 on average, people would see why that wasn't done.

In addition, people would try to run programs that require too much from the cpu and GPU, and then they would complain about performance and battery life. Developers writing apps for this will keep within the envelop because they want their programs to look good.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a version of Lightroom from Adobe for this, but not Photoshop.

Eventually, I expect an iMovie, but not a FCS.

Over the next two years or so this will be more capable, have more RAM, and more Flash, and we'll see even more sophisticated apps.

There's also no reason to believe that developers won;t be allowed to access the hardware as can be done with the iPhone/Touch since 3.0. I'm betting we'll see a lot of good stuff.
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post #260 of 406
2/8/10 at 4:16pm
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

That's why it would be interesting. I didn't bring it up.

So far, the iPad looks great. The most fascinating new device since the iPhone. It will be popular. You have your prejudices. That's fine. But you're trying real hard to ignore what it can do.

It will not be popular because Tablets have never been very popular. Its not powerful, its not a full functioning computer, its nothing more then a large iPod Touch.

The list of feature that it lacks is larger then the features it has. Like I have said before all the fanboys were talking about how "Slate" computing was going to take over notebooks now the koolaid mix is simply to have something to kill the Kindle. For users that already own a notebook and smartphone this is a nothing product.
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post #261 of 406
2/8/10 at 4:22pm
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

It will not be popular because Tablets have never been very popular. Its not powerful, its not a full functioning computer, its nothing more then a large iPod Touch.

The list of feature that it lacks is larger then the features it has. Like I have said before all the fanboys were talking about how "Slate" computing was going to take over notebooks now the koolaid mix is simply to have something to kill the Kindle. For users that already own a notebook and smartphone this is a nothing product.

I disagree. You're the one who is always knocking Apple's products here. It becomes a knee jerk reaction with you and a couple of others. You have nothing to base your statements on other than your wanting it to fail. But it won't.

And stop using the word fanboys as though you know what you're talking about. I can only assume you are putting me in there as well, and no matter what you may think, I'm not a fanboy. Are you a troll?

If you are, I'll ban you. Should I?
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post #262 of 406
2/8/10 at 4:29pm
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Originally Posted by FuturePastNow View Post

$130 extra for 3G is a rip-off. The chip and antenna probably cost $0.50. Hell, the chip is probably just disabled in the non-3G.

The licences involved cost $120 though, get your facts straight.


As for this very "scientific" survey, we ll see who's gonna be laughing when the ipad sells like crazy.
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post #263 of 406
2/8/10 at 4:30pm
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Youtube has been Flash free from almost the very beginning of the iPhone's release.

not on the general web, just on the iPhone app. youtube is now working on an HTML5 version of their web site.
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2/8/10 at 4:31pm
This is the same company that claimed Apple was getting killed by netbooks.
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post #265 of 406
2/8/10 at 4:34pm
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has. Like I have said before all the fanboys were talking about how "Slate" computing was going to take over notebooks now the koolaid mix is simply to have something to kill the Kindle. For users that already own a notebook and smartphone this is a nothing product.

Once again misrepresenting what others said...no one ever said that tablets were going to replace notebooks, I dare you to quote some of the most prominent posters here, where did they ever say such a thing?

As one of the mods said, this constant reaction to knock down apple products is knee jerk, and so, so, so tiring. I would add it's a compulsive need too.
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post #266 of 406
2/8/10 at 4:41pm
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Originally Posted by Hellacool View Post

HP mini 10 with Win 7. All for $249. The point is, this would be an awesome device for my kids but most, if not all the internet games the play are flash. A Little jailbreak here and they can tether off my iPhone while we travel. Works great. No matter what the iPad will not be able too do this for them. If it simply had flash, I could see buying two just for them.

Yeah cause you can't download 20,000+ free game apps for your kids on the ipad, or being less of a cheapo and pay an extra $30 say and get 7-10 really fun and great games for them that everyone in the family will be able to use and enjoy... You can't do any of these, you ll have to have flash...:rolleyes...the epitome and wave of the future for gaming...
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post #267 of 406
2/8/10 at 4:42pm
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Originally Posted by alandail View Post

not on the general web, just on the iPhone app. youtube is now working on an HTML5 version of their web site.

We're talking about mobile.
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post #268 of 406
2/8/10 at 4:48pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr4pPAn-m5g

Jobs is very concise, I can see the purpose of the device more clearly now.
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2/8/10 at 4:50pm
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

USB is available through an adapter, and you don't need Powerpoint, as Keynote, a product that is considered to be better, is only $9.95.

And, apparently, you will be able to move files over WiFi. That's something that people have been screaming for. Now its here, be happy.

The accessories page does not list such a beast, and at any rate I suspect a USB adapter as mentioned in this thread would not be generically available to applications, but tied to specific tasks, such as importing photos.

http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/
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post #270 of 406
2/8/10 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

We're talking about mobile.

no, we're talking about the need for flash in relation to a web browser.
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post #271 of 406
2/8/10 at 5:14pm
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Originally Posted by djsherly View Post

The accessories page does not list such a beast, and at any rate I suspect a USB adapter as mentioned in this thread would not be generically available to applications, but tied to specific tasks, such as importing photos.

http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/

It does exist. It's part of the photo kit, as I'm sure you saw on their site, which is why you mentioned photo importing.

You can't say that it doesn't allow this, because we haven't seen it yet. But we do know that the 30 pin connector is used to connect the device to your computer, just as with the iPhone now, with USB. It has back and forth data flow. We know this too, as you can back up programs and data bought through the phone to your computer, and install on your phone, programs and data bought on your computer.
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post #272 of 406
2/8/10 at 5:20pm
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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD View Post

Ouch!

not as much as you might think. it was 1000 people and probably not random or selected to reflect the same demos as the total population

Also this company is focused on electronics and such so the folks surveyed are likely a tad more 'geek' than most, and thus not really the target audience for the ipad. the geeks want an actual computer and thus when they heard this was a large 'mobile device' they were immediately turned off. Which is not shocking.

I will say that I imagine some of the fever will die over the next couple of weeks even in the gen pop because of the time lag. When it gets closer to release and a date is set and marketing ramps up with more reviews, actual app releases and such, some of the drop will recover. Then when the device reaches hands on time, a bit more will return. Probably not millions upon millions, at least not at first but I imagine that some solid numbers will result once sales start.

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Originally Posted by bdkennedy1 View Post

It's easy to lose interest in something you can't buy.

Apple needs to stop this nonsense of debuting a product and then saying it will be available X months later.

there were reasons, the FCC approval leaking the specs being one of them.

that said, they announced it 3 months before. not too bad. way better than all the prototypes at CES that ended with 'available by the end of the year' which could mean anything. At least Apple gave a solid time. And who knows, if the FCC approval takes less time than they are calculating and they can get enough units ready to go, they might move up the release dates.
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post #273 of 406
2/8/10 at 5:23pm
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It does exist. It's part of the photo kit, as I'm sure you saw on their site, which is why you mentioned photo importing.

You can't say that it doesn't allow this, because we haven't seen it yet. But we do know that the 30 pin connector is used to connect the device to your computer, just as with the iPhone now, with USB. It has back and forth data flow. We know this too, as you can back up programs and data bought through the phone to your computer, and install on your phone, programs and data bought on your computer.

OK. I missed the USB adapter- the one on the left. The fact it's specifically mentioned in the same breath as connecting to your camera is a strong suggestion as to its intended use.

It is however a bit of a leap to suggest that this particular accessory will enable data transfers generally. Surely you would accept this point of view. What you are espousing are possibilities. Possibilities which may or may not eventuate under the purview of Apple.
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post #274 of 406
2/8/10 at 6:03pm
Turkey alert.. Turkey alert!!!!!

I can't imagine why someone would lose interest in something that they cannot purchase or use.

Turkey alert!

Lousy article.
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post #275 of 406
2/8/10 at 6:07pm
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no, we're talking about the need for flash in relation to a web browser.

No, we're talking about Flash as it relates to the iPad specifically, and peripherally, to the iPhone and Touch. The browser is just the way it enters the machine.
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post #276 of 406
2/8/10 at 6:09pm
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OK. I missed the USB adapter- the one on the left. The fact it's specifically mentioned in the same breath as connecting to your camera is a strong suggestion as to its intended use.

It is however a bit of a leap to suggest that this particular accessory will enable data transfers generally. Surely you would accept this point of view. What you are espousing are possibilities. Possibilities which may or may not eventuate under the purview of Apple.

I disagree. There is no reason to believe that it can't be used two way, as USB is used on the other devices. Why are you trying to limit something that's already being done?
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post #277 of 406
2/8/10 at 6:32pm
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I disagree. There is no reason to believe that it can't be used two way, as USB is used on the other devices. Why are you trying to limit something that's already being done?

I don't think we're arguing the same point. I don't deny for a second that there are other possibilities with respect to such a USB adapter, but Apple have clearly contemplated a specific use case for this adapter: that is as part of a camera connectivity kit.

I am reasonably confident that Apple's intention is not to have this adapter used as a generic way to connect USB devices to the iPad and I think the marketing is behind me on this point.

You originally said that USB is available with an adapter. This is not strictly correct. As of this very minute it is part of a camera connectivity kit. There is nothing but your conjecture that it can be used for other things.

Note carefully that I am not leaving closed the possibility that future functionality might be exposed but right now that USB "port" is merely being used to connect cameras to the ipad so that photos can be pulled from the camera.
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post #278 of 406
2/8/10 at 6:34pm
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It will not be popular because Tablets have never been very popular.

Why have they 'never been very popular'?

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Its not powerful, its not a full functioning computer

You say that it is 'not powerful' nor 'a fully functioning computer'. So you are an expert then. Are you an analyst too?

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...its nothing more then a large iPod Touch.

Stupid remark!

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The list of feature that it lacks is larger then the features it has.

Oh dear, do you think that is any different to any other aspect of our lives?

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Like I have said before all the fanboys were talking about how "Slate" computing was going to take over notebooks now the koolaid mix is simply to have something to kill the Kindle. For users that already own a notebook and smartphone this is a nothing product.

Obviously a purely illogical statement in the context of the iPad, an unreleased product. Possibly quite true in respect of products already on the market, in which Apple is currently not represented.

In terms of logic, your series of remarks point to the futility of producing a slate-type product that doesn't also re-imagine the way in which we interact with it. Was that your goal? (Didn't think so.)
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post #279 of 406
2/8/10 at 6:42pm
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I don't think we're arguing the same point. I don't deny for a second that there are other possibilities with respect to such a USB adapter, but Apple have clearly contemplated a specific use case for this adapter: that is as part of a camera connectivity kit.
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Note carefully that I am not leaving closed the possibility that future functionality might be exposed but right now that USB "port" is merely being used to connect cameras to the ipad so that photos can be pulled from the camera.

Apple may only have a specific use in mine with its adapters, but we know they have USB and SD access to a file system, and we know developers have access to the 30-pin connector. I am not seeing what limitations you are.
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post #280 of 406
2/8/10 at 7:00pm
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No, we're talking about Flash as it relates to the iPad specifically, and peripherally, to the iPhone and Touch. The browser is just the way it enters the machine.

No, the debate is if it's the real internet without flash, and my assertion is that Steve Jobs is leading the web away from proprietary flash to HTML5. I used the example of YouTube moving towards an HTML5 solution as evidence of the web is moving towards standards, which ultimately is better for everyone as there will be better security, better performance, better reliability, and for mobile/portable devices, better power management.
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