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For your dad there's mobileMe, or if he is not going to travel with his iPad a simple set up with some kind of Airport Extreme & TimeMachine configuration. For people (like your dad) who also use a digital camera there may be a question whether the iPad will have a version of iPhoto (and the horsepower to manipulate large images). But even at a modest 16gb the storage is plenty for email, surfing and photographs for many people. People like my mother takes few photographs and deletes most of them. She even deletes emails - I have tried to tell her she needn't but alas, she will only keep ones she deems essential. (housekeeping)
I agree with Solips that the iPad is probably thought of as a secondary device but I suspect a lot of people will be using the iPad as their primary / only device.

Apple will always require a computer of some kind to support an iPhone/iPod/iPad. not because they can't figure out how to make that unnecessary (as Google is trying to do with Android - there is still no desktop client for it), but because, of course, they want to keep selling desktop/laptop Macs too. sure, you can use a Windows PC, but they know that their portable devices are the best avenue to getting those folks to switch to or add Mac computers.

but a single household computer can support multiple mobile Apple devices. so instead of everyone in the household getting their own computer like now - often via hand-me-downs of older equipment - there could be just one common one in the office or family room and then a different iPhone/iPad for everyone.

this isn't as debilitating as it sounds. household members will actually share apps (why pay twice?), tips, and help. something to talk about at the dinner table! actually, iPhone users who are just friends already do this too. but except for techies/geeks, no one does this with regular computers - they're just too complicated for that.

bringing people back together - what's wrong with that? you know, desktop computers had a powerful effect of actually separating people from each other locally - all of us staring into a computer screen one at a time in our own separate rooms - even while it connected them with many others globally via the internet.
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Originally Posted by fredsedzed View Post

i see huge potential for the ipad, but not out of the starting blocks. When post-1.0 versions offer usb input, play flash, and run multiple apps concurrently, it'll be a winner.

The ipad could serve at least three roles very effectively at home:

1) convenient on-the-couch e-reading, web surfing, emailing, and social networking.
2) superior touch-interface universal ip-remote-control for home entertainment (needs app).
3) laptop replacement -- with the clever stand and keyboard/mouse plug-in option you could do real work on the ipad. Data storage isn't a problem if you locate files you're not currently working with on a home server or cloud.

I just got a verizon palm pre (couldn't wait any longer for a verizon iphone) and i love having several apps open at once and the convenient ease of checking/culling email in my hand instead of on my lap. I'm new to the touch interface, but i'm really liking it. I would find the touch keyboard great for couch computing. To justify an ipad, it needs to replace my laptop; so it needs to have usb input, play flash, and run multiple apps concurrently.

f.u.d.
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Originally Posted by g3pro View Post

For once I agree with bill gates. The iPad really is unimpressive.

You are not alone, ironicly, all the anti Gates people overlooked this part of the story.

"Gates joins a chorus of technology enthusiasts and casual users alike who have said they feel they were let down by Apple's iPad announcement. One study found that while the number of users interested in buying the device tripled after it was unveiled, the lion's share have said they will not purchase an iPad".

I will wait until rev 3 or to see if the Courier is real or vapor.
If Apple added flash and xvid codecs, I might buy, but to Apple, greed gets in the way as why pay for a TV show, that's free?
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Originally Posted by Blastdoor View Post

I think that Gates represents a big segment of the tech nerd set but a small segment of the overall population. The tech nerds look at the iPad's tech specs, not at the whole device. They go down the spec sheet and see a bunch of components and features that are already available in other products (though not necessarily all in the same product, which is kind of the point), and so they are not impressed. They can't see the whole thing and they can't see how other non-tech geeks will see it. They really are tone deaf on this. It's kind of funny to watch. And when you go to the tech nerd sites, you see a lot of confusion and even anger over the device -- I think it's because they're ticked off that once again they are left out in the cold -- the rest of the world perceives something they don't, and it drives them nuts. It's almost as if it reminds them that girls don't like them, never will, and they don't understand why.

Being a border-line tech-nerd myself (girls kinda like me, but not too much), I was a little unsure what to think of it when it first came out, but I now think it's going to be a big success. I keep finding myself in situations where it would be the perfect tool, and the normal people that I talk to are pretty interested in it.

I agree with you 200% I am a borderline tech geek. I look at specs but I also don't lose perspective of the device. I have an iPhone so I know how it works. Most geeks see that the iPad has one GHz and go oh its going to suck. I se that it has 1 GHz and I say given how iPhone OS operates its going to be really fast! I also find myself in situations where it would be great. I'll probably get one but I'm saving my final judgement til I get to touch one and play with it. I think people jump the gun a little bit. I think you should save your judgement and criticism until you actually get your hands on one.
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You are not alone, ironicly, all the anti Gates people overlooked this part of the story.

"Gates joins a chorus of technology enthusiasts and casual users alike who have said they feel they were let down by Apple's iPad announcement. One study found that while the number of users interested in buying the device tripled after it was unveiled, the lion's share have said they will not purchase an iPad".

I will wait until rev 3 or to see if the Courier is real or vapor.
If Apple added flash and xvid codecs, I might buy, but to Apple, greed gets in the way as why pay for a TV show, that's free?

more f.u.d.
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You are not alone, ironicly, all the anti Gates people overlooked this part of the story.

"Gates joins a chorus of technology enthusiasts and casual users alike who have said they feel they were let down by Apple's iPad announcement. One study found that while the number of users interested in buying the device tripled after it was unveiled, the lion's share have said they will not purchase an iPad".


I will wait until rev 3 or to see if the Courier is real or vapor.
If Apple added flash and xvid codecs, I might buy, but to Apple, greed gets in the way as why pay for a TV show, that's free?

Does ANYONE think it's real?
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In the last year or two we've seen more than half of Apple's revenue come from outside the US. As of last quarter The US was $6B while Europe was $5B with the remaining $4.5B coming from the rest of the world. European growth could push it past the US' revenue this year.

...and that's WITHOUT Apple Stores in every major city!

Here in Germany, the word is out, and Apple is booming. I attribute the boom most to the iPhone, considering that T-Mobile is the largest telco here (obviously), and they do have a store just about everywhere. People that have jumped on the iPhone bandwagon, are now getting MBs and iMacs... looking forward to the same ease-of-use. It's also helped that Win7 is not taking hold, PCs are breaking and people are simply bored of WinXP. Add to that almost weekly "All-Point-Bulletins" in the news about another security compromise using Win and IE, and the consideration to "Get a Mac" just becomes too much to ignore.

I have more than a few connections to T-Mobile corporate, and I know that they are seriously looking forward to the iPad, and not just as a consumer device. They also work with the govt. and different ministries (health care, job centers, education, etc.) and provide logistical and systems consulting.

A personal family member is responsible for a project for providing out-patient care and monitoring using mobile devices. He's being swamped at the moment for more info re: the iPad and how T-Mobile/Apple plans to role it out to clinics and hospitals. The iPhone and iPod Touch are also included, but the small size has been the largest problem, considering the advanced age of the majority of patients needing these services.

NOTE: yes, the lack of a camera in the presentation of the iPad was a head-scratcher to say the least... but they are now looking to BT or wireless webcam add-ons at the moment.

I also see Europe overtaking the US in Apple sales soon.

Fact is, we on this side of the pond, are far more fashionable and "sleek industrial design" conscious than the US as a whole (cars, fashion, appliances, etc.)... and we are used to very strict standards and guidelines. Something that Apple brings to the table in spades... for better or for worse.
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...and that's WITHOUT Apple Stores in every major city!

I hadn't considered that. I did remember that Apple Stores were expanding more rapidly in Europe but not the fact that so few countries and cities have them.

Wow! France had 24 more stores planned, while Germany has 4 more planned. Three new EU countries are in the works, too. Ireland can finally go to an Apple Store in Ireland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Store#Locations
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Originally Posted by bdkennedy1 View Post

I find it hypocritical that a marketing guy that never really invented anything except DOS says "no biggie" to something he doesn't really know anything about.

Bill Gates knows innovation like Donald Trump knows how to mop his floor.

Bill Gates authored MS-Basic if I recall correctly. Then, when IBM wanted his Basic for the new IBM PC he sold them DOS (as IBM needed an OS as well, but Gary Kildall of CP/M from DR was being extremely arrogant). Gates has QDOS from SCP in house because they needed some sort of OS to use while porting MS-Basic to the new system. He then bought QDOS (which was inspired by CP/M) and sold it on to IBM. When he bought QDOS from Paterson he paid something like M$500. Later SCP (Paterson's company) sued Microsoft for lying about the potential revenues for MS-DOS. This was settled out of court for the rumored amount of M$900.

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Steve Jobs is the 'Marketing Guy' that the OP was claiming Gates to be, are you really arguing that point?

People who think SJ is a 'marketing guy' misunderstand him completely. SJ is a 'user experience guy' and has often done things that fly in the face of marketing wisdom (with hits (iMac w/o floppy, expensive iPhone) and misses (NeXT restricted to higher ed, G4 Cube). And next to being 'user experience' driven he is also a 'sales guy'. But his effectiveness at selling an idea/solution is hard to separate from its basis in 'user experience' which by and large also sells itself. You can see SJ making marketing mistakes, but even his market failures have been user experience triumphs (the NeXT was decennia ahead of the competition in user experience).

Gates is a rather basic nerd who is also a great marketing strategist. The success of Microsoft has been documented perfectly by him in his book "The Road Ahead", where you can read how marketing and strategy is what made Microsoft great. He has no feeling for user experience (what SJ calls a lack of 'taste' on Microsoft's side) and no true understanding of the limits of technology in that respect (think about the billions Microsoft spent on AI-like programs which brought nothing). In Microsoft's defense, innovating when you depend so much on OEM's is difficult, it is part of their position that true innovations in user experience are very difficult. Still, I think SJ has a far better feel for technology than BG, who has always impressed me as being a truly exceptional strategist while being a mediocre technologist.

Many pundits complain about technical iPad details, like the lack of a camera, or the wide bezel which they think is ugly. The wide bezel is however important for the user experience of holding the device in one hand and working it with another. And the camera in the top of the bezel would not be a perfect user experience (front facing, it would mean you are being displayed in a unflattering angle and if you turn the device your hand might be in the way, back facing it would be a rather unwieldy camera to handle). I expect different future solutions for the camera option (e.g. a front facing camera 'behind' the middle of the screen).

The iPad, as a first in a new category has many compromises in its design for the multiple aspects of user experience (e.g. battery life versus unlimited background apps). The question is not if there are compromises (there are) but if the end result offers a great user experience for enough types of users. From what I have seen, I think it will.
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Bill Gates authored MS-Basic if I recall correctly. SJ is a 'user experience guy'

Excellent summary!

I may need to watch Pirates of Silicon Valley after that.

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Just after this declaration, Bill suffered a major crash and had to be rushed to the MS Eemrgency ward where he's going to stay for a few weeks in "observation"....
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Excellent summary!

I may need to watch Pirates of Silicon Valley after that.

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I found "Triumph of the Nerds" (PBS documentary series) very interesting.
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Just after this declaration, Bill suffered a major crash and had to be rushed to the MS Eemrgency ward where he's going to stay for a few weeks in "observation"....

"General Protection Failure". That could be a great subtitle for Windows over the years, btw

Apple's subtitle could then be "Don't Panic!"
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You were expecting unicorns and free pony's, no doubt. Care to define what "innovative" means to you?

Something we haven't seen before. Or maybe to be more precise, something nobody has thought of before. Or maybe, something that nobody has implemented before.

And its not black/white, but rather, a spectrum. We haven't seen a tablet running a telephone OS before, that is true.

Edit: Now that I think about it, Archos long ago released tablets running Android, so I take back the bone I threw out above.
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Originally Posted by Postulant View Post

So the iPad is just a bigger iPod Touch? And that's a bad thing?

Is the 17" MBP just a bigger 13" MBP? And is that a bad thing too?

A bigger iTouch is a diasapointment because folks expected a more capable device.

A 17 inch MBP would be a disappointment if folks expected a whole new line of laptops, and instead got more of the same in a bigger size.
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It will probably work well.
What other tablets are less expensive than the iPad? The Archos 9 is a POS, and costs more.

As of now, there are no tablets that I would consider buying. But I think great things are going to happen...real soon now...
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The iPad is ground breaking but people's expectations were too high. But I'd wager that the really groundbreaking thing is not as much the iPad itself, but the way it will change the way we interact with the web.

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By groundbreaking, you must mean there is something clever about taking an iPod Touch and making it comically huge. Or by making an eReader with a US exclusive book store, and a screen so bright it will cause headaches within minutes. There are good reasons why every other ebook reader uses e-ink.

And I don't think there is really anything groundbreaking about looking at a whole load of 'missing flash' blue lego brick icons when browsing the web. Maybe if HTML 5 takes off 3-5 years down the line then it will be fine, but right now the iPad is a seriously broken web browser.

Apple could have done so much with a tablet, but the took the easiest, cheapest, least inspiring route. Quite how Jobs was happy with it boggles the mind.

iPad is a dud. Sorry, I wanted it to be good too. I just hope Apple come up with the good for the next iPhone revision.
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By groundbreaking, you must mean there is something clever about taking an iPod Touch and making it comically huge. Or by making an eReader with a US exclusive book store, and a screen so bright it will cause headaches within minutes. There are good reasons why every other ebook reader uses e-ink.

Who said screen brightness can't be adjusted? If the screen is set too bright, that's the user's own damn fault for not dialing it where they like it.

A lot of digital media stores focus on one region first, before expanding it. I know it's frustrating, but there are valid reasons behind it. Amazon and Sony took some time before expanding the reach of their book stores.

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Apple could have done so much with a tablet, but the took the easiest, cheapest, least inspiring route. Quite how Jobs was happy with it boggles the mind.

An IPS panel and aluminum back panel says they didn't take the cheapest route. Almost all portable devices, including Apple's portable devices, use cheaper TN displays. Plastic is the most prevalent material for device shells, in part because it's very inexpensive.

What would you want that you would call inspiring? I am curious here. Maybe I'm jaded, but I don't remember thinking any electronic gadget is inspiring.

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iPad is a dud. Sorry, I wanted it to be good too. I just hope Apple come up with the good for the next iPhone revision.

I don't think it's smart to declare an Apple product a dud until it actually is sold. How many people declared the iPod a dud? iPhone? It would seem people should take a cue from history and wait it out first. I'd hate to be the one with my foot in my mouth for calling it wrong, I'd rather just stand back and see how it goes.
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By groundbreaking, you must mean there is something clever about taking an iPod Touch and making it comically huge. Or by making an eReader with a US exclusive book store, and a screen so bright it will cause headaches within minutes. There are good reasons why every other ebook reader uses e-ink.

The e-Reader is US only at launch. Do you honestly think other bookstores won't be in place in almost no time at all? The App Store was US only at launch, too. The iTunes music store is still limited to only a few countries scattered around the world. The screen brightness can be turned down. Duh.

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And I don't think there is really anything groundbreaking about looking at a whole load of 'missing flash' blue lego brick icons when browsing the web. Maybe if HTML 5 takes off 3-5 years down the line then it will be fine, but right now the iPad is a seriously broken web browser.

I use FlashBlock for FireFox and is a way better browsing experience with it on, showing all those "F" circles, than with it off, showing all those ads and slow animation effects. And you can bet websites will be redesigned to use fewer and fewer of those lego instances.

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Apple could have done so much with a tablet...

What... like a Win 7 tablet?
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The e-Reader is US only at launch.

This is quite an interesting point.

Book publishing rights vary from territory to territory.
Amazon sells the Kindle internationally. But only sells the American Kindle, with American books.

International customers have to buy it from the US store (in dollars.)

This makes me think that electronic book selling could be tougher than music.

C.
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[CENTER]and...
What exactly does the iPad do that any number of other (more capable/versatile) 'devices' do far better at a much lower price point?

Exactly... Nothing! (at least at this point)[/CENTER]

Why do you centre align all you comments? It just looks stupid.
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Somebody should tell IBM that gates is not impressed.

http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/11/ipa...twork-ibm.html
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You got the businessperson part wrong. He's a ruthless businessperson, is sheep's clothing.

Fair enough. I guess it all depends on how your define 'successful businessperson'. If you define it as the ability to crush and destroy all competition - i agree with you. If you define as the use of business to make the world a better place (which is my definition), then -> enh, hard call.

I will go with the idea of changing my comment from: "... never businessperson..." to "... ruthless businessperson..."
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I think how successful the iPad will be will depend a lot in what kind of applications developers dream up. Personally, I think it's on the big side and wish it were a little smaller. But if Apple came out with a version of Aperture for the iPad that let me load my photos in the field, review/edit/arrange them on the iPad, and then sync the whole project back to my desktop, then I'd say with a high degree of certainty that I'd get one.

Short of that I'd probably just stick with an iPod touch because it's more portable (while wishing it was a little bigger... got that Apple, I'd like something between the touch and the iPad )

I'm exactly with you on this. I love my Touch and just wish it was as big as a jumbo GPS. That's all I want.
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Bill Gates authored MS-Basic if I recall correctly. Then, when IBM wanted his Basic for the new IBM PC he sold them DOS (as IBM needed an OS as well, but Gary Kildall of CP/M from DR was being extremely arrogant). Gates has QDOS from SCP in house because they needed some sort of OS to use while porting MS-Basic to the new system. He then bought QDOS (which was inspired by CP/M) and sold it on to IBM. When he bought QDOS from Paterson he paid something like M$500. Later SCP (Paterson's company) sued Microsoft for lying about the potential revenues for MS-DOS. This was settled out of court for the rumored amount of M$900.

I addressed some of this in an earlier post. AFAIK, Gates had nothing directly to do with coding anything after he and Paul Allen camped out in motel room in Albuquerque and wrote the basis interpreter for MITS -- and Allen did most of the work on that. This was in 1974 I think. Allen actually ended up working for MITS after that.

The story about IBM and Gary Kildall has been told and retold a million times in nearly as many different ways. Kildall could not have been "extremely arrogant" with IBM when they came calling at DR, because he wasn't there. His wife was. The IBM reps insisted on her signing a NDA before they would even tell her why they were there, which with Gary not in the office, she would not do. So IBM went calling on Microsoft. Nothing to do with porting Basic to the PC to my knowledge, and I don't see how it could, since at the time IBM had no OS for the PC. Gates & Co. promised to deliver DOS to IBM in about a year, although they really had no idea how they were going to do it.

I believe Microsoft first had a license from Seattle Computing for QDOS, which later turned into an outright purchase. The price as I said earlier was $50,000. Seattle Computing did sue Microsoft and ended up with a $1m settlement. Paterson worked for Microsoft and became a millionaire many times over. He now races cars, or something like that.
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Poor Bill, can't make any gash! What a mofo
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Poor Bill, can't make any gash! What a mofo

They'll make money. There will be paid MS Office apps for the iPad, you can bet on it. They'll also get license fees on certain patents as well as advertising revenue from iPad-related internet activities. MS has its fingers in lots of pies.
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They'll make money. There will be paid MS Office apps for the iPad, you can bet on it.

that will be a really big test. can MS re-design Office for touch UI and do a really good job of it? like Apple very possibly has done with iWorks? so far they have not been able to do this - WinMo.

once the dam of "you must have Office" breaks somehow, there will be a flood of alternative office suites into the market and popular use. because of course MS charges outrageous prices for Office. (it was file compatibility that made Office the standard in the 90's, but that doesn't matter any more now that all brands can convert files into any format.)
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I find it hypocritical that a marketing guy that never really invented anything except DOS says "no biggie" to something he doesn't really know anything about.

Bill Gates knows innovation like Donald Trump knows how to mop his floor.

Actually, DOS (which was called QDOS for Quick and Dirty Operating System) was developed by Seattle Softworks and stolen by Bill Gates who argued in court that his license gave him an unmentioned right to redistribute (Bill had some powerful attorneys behind him). They eventually settled and, in exchange for a large sum of money, the owner of Seattle Softworks agreed never to discuss the particulars of the case.

Much like J. P. Morgan, Bill Gates had powerful people behind him from day 1, but where J. P. Morgan was really simply a front man for Rothschild bank; The bank behind Bill has always been the Bank of London.
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Actually, DOS (which was called QDOS for Quick and Dirty Operating System) was developed by Seattle Softworks and stolen by Bill Gates who argued in court that his license gave him an unmentioned right to redistribute (Bill had some powerful attorneys behind him). They eventually settled and, in exchange for a large sum of money, the owner of Seattle Softworks agreed never to discuss the particulars of the case.

Much like J. P. Morgan, Bill Gates had powerful people behind him from day 1, but where J. P. Morgan was really simply a front man for Rothschild bank; The bank behind Bill has always been the Bank of London.

This is mostly incorrect, but since the real story has already been posted here...
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People who think SJ is a 'marketing guy' misunderstand him completely. SJ is a 'user experience guy' and has often done things that fly in the face of marketing wisdom (with hits (iMac w/o floppy, expensive iPhone) and misses (NeXT restricted to higher ed, G4 Cube). And next to being 'user experience' driven he is also a 'sales guy'. But his effectiveness at selling an idea/solution is hard to separate from its basis in 'user experience' which by and large also sells itself. You can see SJ making marketing mistakes, but even his market failures have been user experience triumphs (the NeXT was decennia ahead of the competition in user experience).

Gates is a rather basic nerd who is also a great marketing strategist. The success of Microsoft has been documented perfectly by him in his book "The Road Ahead", where you can read how marketing and strategy is what made Microsoft great. He has no feeling for user experience (what SJ calls a lack of 'taste' on Microsoft's side) and no true understanding of the limits of technology in that respect (think about the billions Microsoft spent on AI-like programs which brought nothing). In Microsoft's defense, innovating when you depend so much on OEM's is difficult, it is part of their position that true innovations in user experience are very difficult. Still, I think SJ has a far better feel for technology than BG, who has always impressed me as being a truly exceptional strategist while being a mediocre technologist.

Many pundits complain about technical iPad details, like the lack of a camera, or the wide bezel which they think is ugly. The wide bezel is however important for the user experience of holding the device in one hand and working it with another. And the camera in the top of the bezel would not be a perfect user experience (front facing, it would mean you are being displayed in a unflattering angle and if you turn the device your hand might be in the way, back facing it would be a rather unwieldy camera to handle). I expect different future solutions for the camera option (e.g. a front facing camera 'behind' the middle of the screen).

The iPad, as a first in a new category has many compromises in its design for the multiple aspects of user experience (e.g. battery life versus unlimited background apps). The question is not if there are compromises (there are) but if the end result offers a great user experience for enough types of users. From what I have seen, I think it will.

Excellent post! Seldom do we such succinct and accurate analysis.

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They'll make money. There will be paid MS Office apps for the iPad, you can bet on it. They'll also get license fees on certain patents as well as advertising revenue from iPad-related internet activities. MS has its fingers in lots of pies.

This machine really isnt for corprate otherwise you would get a stylus. If they do get exchange then that could make a difference. If the Courier is real and not vapor and is msft only and not oem, then this would have a Aegean impact.
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Originally Posted by steviet02 View Post

You do know Steve Jobs never developed, engineered, or designed anything right? Is he a hypocrite too for saying something isn't up to snuff?

At least Gates actually designed, engineered, developed, SOMETHING!

Gates didn't develop DOS - that was Seattle Computer Systems - all Gates did was buy their QDOS (Quick and Dirty OS) for $50,000 to fool IBM he had something. The last 30 years of inanity in this industry result from that deal (the previous 50 years of inanity were due to IBM).

http://www.patersontech.com/Dos/Byte/History.html
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I think that Gates represents a big segment of the tech nerd set but a small segment of the overall population. The tech nerds look at the iPad's tech specs, not at the whole device. They go down the spec sheet and see a bunch of components and features that are already available in other products (though not necessarily all in the same product, which is kind of the point), and so they are not impressed. They can't see the whole thing and they can't see how other non-tech geeks will see it.

Agreed. Like Burroughs before it (well Alan Kay was a student of Bob Barton), Apple looks at the interplay of software with hardware to make something that is useful. The geeks simply never get it - but their arguments have thus far been very persuasive in a naive market. The market is not so computer naive anymore so is wising up to these idiots.
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Gates didn't develop DOS - that was Seattle Computer Systems - all Gates did was buy their QDOS (Quick and Dirty OS) for $50,000 to fool IBM he had something. The last 30 years of inanity in this industry result from that deal (the previous 50 years of inanity were due to IBM).

Not really. This story has been explained here in more detail and more accurately several times already.
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This machine really isnt for corprate otherwise you would get a stylus. If they do get exchange then that could make a difference. If the Courier is real and not vapor and is msft only and not oem, then this would have a Aegean impact.

forget stylus. styli are history. obsolete 20th century stuff. i can't believe how many people here really still think otherwise. i realize it worked for you and you like them. but it's over. like Classic Rock is over. that still works for me too. but it's over. really over.

smart pens. check out smart pens. with blutooth link to iPad? that is the 21st century version of the idea. more powerful, more versatile. finer control.
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forget stylus. styli are history. obsolete 20th century stuff. i can't believe how many people here really still think otherwise. i realize it worked for you and you like them. but it's over. like Classic Rock is over. that still works for me too. but it's over. really over.

smart pens. check out smart pens. with blutooth link to iPad? that is the 21st century version of the idea. more powerful, more versatile. finer control.

The stylus a tool you hold in your hand for finer writing and drawing is far from obsolete. I can she how smartpens will have a market, but one could save paper and the extra step of uploading by writing or drawing directly on a tablet computer.

For the main user input your fingers are ideal, but for finder controls on a tablet a stylus would be very helpful. I can think of a half dozen professional uses that a smartpen or chubby fingers can't match.
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The stylus a tool you hold in your hand for finer writing and drawing is far from obsolete. I can she how smartpens will have a market, but one could save paper and the extra step of uploading by writing or drawing directly on a tablet computer.

For the main user input your fingers are ideal, but for finder controls on a tablet a stylus would be very helpful. I can think of a half dozen professional uses that a smartpen or chubby fingers can't match.

Likewise, a stylus for capacitance touchscreens, like the Pogo Sketch, doesn't have anywhere near the resolution required for handwriting input or detailed drawing a la Wacom. It's basically a fat finger made a little less fat (and the thinner it get the less accurate it behaves).

Until we have a capacitance touchscreen with equal-to or higher-than pixel resolution, Apple touchscreen devices will NOT use a stylus.
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Likewise, a stylus for capacitance touchscreens, like the Pogo Sketch, doesn't have anywhere near the resolution required for handwriting input or detailed drawing a la Wacom. It's basically a fat finger made a little less fat (and the thinner it get the less accurate it behaves).

Until we have a capacitance touchscreen with equal-to or higher-than pixel resolution, Apple touchscreen devices will NOT use a stylus.

One of my hopes for the Apple tablet was that they tackled that problem and would have a great option for textbook annotations and slow, precious drawing on the iPad. Since they didn't demo these "killer features" it's safe to say the technology does not exist. Eventually it will and I will be ready... assuming I'm still alive.
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