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post #41 of 411
2/11/10 at 6:52am
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Originally Posted by ghostface147 View Post

I guess he never scribbled ideas on a notepad...

nah...he only scribbles all those zeros in his net worth figure.

It amazes me to this day how people discount and devalue what the MOST SUCCESSFUL (Read: Richest) MAN IN THE WORLD thinks.

They say: "Nah, ignore him, he's a fool."

Ah, no sorry, you're the fool. Next.
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post #42 of 411
2/11/10 at 6:52am
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Originally Posted by g3pro View Post

For once I agree with bill gates. The iPad really is unimpressive.

While that may be true for you, the AVERAGE person will totally love it and want it in a heartbeat.
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post #43 of 411
2/11/10 at 6:52am
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Originally Posted by bdkennedy1 View Post

I find it hypocritical that a marketing guy that never really invented anything except DOS says "no biggie" to something he doesn't really know anything about.

Bill Gates knows innovation like Donald Trump knows how to mop his floor.

There is some controversy who actually invented DOS. DOS was written by Tim Patterson who was later hired by MS. The controversy is whether it was based upon CP/M a program written to run pre 8086 computers, written by Gary Kildall. BG heard that IBM was looking for a program to run their 8086 computers and hired Tim Patterson after he had written QDOS. So BG didn't invent DOS, he saw the potential, had IBM as a client and seized upon an opportunity, the rest is history.
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post #44 of 411
2/11/10 at 6:52am
The quick one-liner: Of course he's not impressed; it doesn't run Windows.

More seriously: Gates's not being impressed is indicative of the DNA of Microsoft's mindset. They're very serious about computing up in Redmond, which has led them to create products -- a few of them pretty good -- for "serious" computing. (Well, and gaming, though people are even more serious about that.) The result has been a flat-footed inability to predict, let alone respond to, the computing needs of the so-called consumer market. I think the iPad will be fairly successful, especially when the price drops, particularly because it is not a "serious" computing accessory. Indeed Apple's skill is at making its computing power invisible, which has hobbled its efforts in the "serious" world. Fortunately for us and Apple, the time when computing is for serious tasks only is over.
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post #45 of 411
2/11/10 at 6:53am
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Originally Posted by pmz View Post

Nobody has to spin anything to be impressed by 0.5", 1.5 lb device, that has a 9.7" web browser.

Not when it's dictated for use with one browser only that can't play flash. Sorry.
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post #46 of 411
2/11/10 at 6:56am
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Originally Posted by bdkennedy1 View Post

..... like Donald Trump knows how to mop his floor.

(Totally off-topic, sorry!) Donald's hair always somehow reminded me of a mop in and of itself.....
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post #47 of 411
2/11/10 at 6:56am
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post

While that may be true for you, the AVERAGE person will totally love it and want it in a heartbeat.

The same AVERAGE person that loves Windows and Cheez-its?
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post #48 of 411
2/11/10 at 6:58am
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

"...But theres nothing on the iPad I look at and say, 'Oh, I wish Microsoft had done it.'"

Funny -- I look at OSX, and I see plenty that I wish Microsoft had done. They can't even copy with the same success.

What people should be asking now: "Where/what will the iPad be in 2-3 years?" The ball is just starting to roll.
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post #49 of 411
2/11/10 at 7:00am
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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD View Post

Not when it's dictated for use with one browser only that can't play flash. Sorry.

Your arrogance and insolence that is your "posting style" does not garner you any favor, or make you any more "correct", I hope you understand that.

Like plenty of people, I use Safari because it simply works better, and I use ClicktoFlash to improve the performance even further. How would the iPad not apply to me then?

If you want to argue that there are large percentage of people who would miss Flash from their daily tasks, I would never disagree with that.

When you pretend, as you do day in day out, that Flash is all important to the web, you make yourself look uninformed.
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post #50 of 411
2/11/10 at 7:03am
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Originally Posted by steviet02 View Post

Steve Jobs is the 'Marketing Guy' that the OP was claiming Gates to be, are you really arguing that point?

Steve Jobs was a programmer 30 years ago(not a very good one).
Steve Jobs is not an engineer but he did like to tinker with electronics 30 yrs ago.
Steve Jobs is a Visionary with an excellent understanding of technology, design, marketing, business and most importantly, people.

Bill Gates was a smart guy who was in THE right place at the right time and had a one-hit-wonder. All the subsequent successes and failures of Microsoft have little to do with him.
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post #51 of 411
2/11/10 at 7:08am
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post

Steve Jobs was a programmer 30 years ago(not a very good one).
Steve Jobs is not an engineer but he did like to tinker with electronics 30 yrs ago.
Steve Jobs is a Visionary with an excellent understanding of technology, design, marketing, business and most importantly, people.

Bill Gates was a smart guy who was in THE right place at the right time and had a one-hit-wonder. All the subsequent successes and failures of Microsoft have little to do with him.

Steve Jobs is all that and a salesman foremost.
Google PT Barnum.
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post #52 of 411
2/11/10 at 7:09am
Gates has repeatedly been pushing for the tablet form factor more more than 10 years.

With the Origami project being the last outing for Mr. Bill's tablet adventure.

So perhaps the problem is that the world was simply not impressed by the Microsoft Tablet.

Every Windows based tablet has performed badly in the marketplace because Microsoft failed to understand that a new form-factor needs a new interface.

It not surprising that Bill is upset.

C.
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post #53 of 411
2/11/10 at 7:10am
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post

While that may be true for you, the AVERAGE person will totally love it and want it in a heartbeat.

We have no clue if the average user is going to have any interest in the iPad. We should at least wait until its been available for a while.

With that being said love or hate them Bill Gates and Steve Jobs will go down in history as the pioneers of the technology age. So the fact that Steve Jobs has made many comments about his competitors Bill Gates also has the right and when either speaks they are taken seriously.

Bill Gates is simply giving his opinion, something Steve Jobs does often.
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post #54 of 411
2/11/10 at 7:10am
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Originally Posted by pmz View Post

Your arrogance and insolence that is your "posting style" does not garner you any favor, or make you any more "correct", I hope you understand that.

Like plenty of people, I use Safari because it simply works better, and I use ClicktoFlash to improve the performance even further. How would the iPad not apply to me then?

If you want to argue that there are large percentage of people who would miss Flash from their daily tasks, I would never disagree with that.

When you pretend, as you do day in day out, that Flash is all important to the web, you make yourself look uninformed.

I don't pretend anything. It's you that's pretending something "just works" when you have to add to it your almighty ClicktoFlash to get it to work properly. \
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post #55 of 411
2/11/10 at 7:12am
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Originally Posted by bdkennedy1 View Post

I find it hypocritical that a marketing guy that never really invented anything except DOS says "no biggie" to something he doesn't really know anything about.

Bill Gates knows innovation like Donald Trump knows how to mop his floor.


Bill gates BOUGHT DOS for $75,000.
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post #56 of 411
2/11/10 at 7:13am
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Originally Posted by pmz View Post

Nobody has to spin anything to be impressed by 0.5", 1.5 lb device, that has a 9.7" web browser.

What happen to your modest proposal to ignore these trolls?


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Originally Posted by doyourownthing View Post

okay, what about a device that's 4.1 x 2.4 x .41? (the ipod)

If you can those dimensions to still have a 10" display I'll be at your house today with a briefcase full of money, my lawyers and a business plan.


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Originally Posted by crawdad62 View Post

I have an iPhone, I have a MacBook so the iPad would have to do something that these devices can't or can't with ease. I just don't see it.

I guess I could be completely wrong. I wasn't too impressed with the iPod either and that certainly changed the game.

We're in the same boat. We both have 13" notebooks that we bought for being highly portable and an iPhone to fill the gap for when we need a pocketable and handheld device. The space between is too small to require an iPad.

Also, I find a need for the iPod until the iPod Mini. And I know many who didn't want an iPhone until after the App Store appeared. It's possible our requirements will change and we'll find a use for the iPad in our lives. We're still likely over a month away from the initial launch so this is expected. I do see that this will be a huge hit with others with more traditional computing habits.


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Originally Posted by thompr View Post

Steve Jobs is a master marketer. There is no debating that point. But, no, I don't think that that was the previous poster's argument. The argument is about the original claim that Steve Jobs never developed, engineered, or designed anything. That assertion is laughable. He may not be a developer or engineer himself, but he has been known to spend YEARS with teams of engineers and developers trying to get a single product right. Sometimes, the product never meets his design standards, and he scraps the whole thing.

He is VERY MUCH involved in the design process. Is ANYBODY really arguing THAT point?

I agree.
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
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post #57 of 411
2/11/10 at 7:14am
You mean that amazing tech visionary, Bill Gates?

LOL
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post #58 of 411
2/11/10 at 7:15am
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Originally Posted by Doug Halfen View Post

Funny -- I look at OSX, and I see plenty that I wish Microsoft had done. They can't even copy with the same success.

What people should be asking now: "Where/what will the iPad be in 2-3 years?" The ball is just starting to roll.

Exactly. There were iPhone naysayers who claimed it would be doomed without a hardware keyboard, MMS and tethering. Eventually Apple added MMS and people realized that software keyboards have advatages over physical ones. As far as tethering goes I know quite a lot of people who realized there iPhone allows them to do a lot more than their tethered laptop did and they stopped lugging it around.

In time Apple will add a camera and everyone will use it for a week and then forget about it. In time Apple will release iPhone OS 4.0 and you'll get your multitasking. By this time Apple will probably have sold several million iPads without cameras and multitasking. Apple will be crying all the way to the bank.
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post #59 of 411
2/11/10 at 7:16am
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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD View Post

I don't pretend anything. It's you that's pretending something "just works" when you have to add to it your almighty ClicktoFlash to get it to work properly. \

What the F are you talking about "Click to Flash" is to TURN OFF Flash. You do not need it to make Flash work there Spanky.
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post #60 of 411
2/11/10 at 7:16am
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

We have no clue if the average user is going to have any interest in the iPad.

http://www.electronista.com/articles...ipad.requests/

Norwegian resellers forced to halt Apple iPad pre-orders due to "crazy interest"
Tuesday, February 09, 2010 - 04:53 PM EST

Apple is facing the rare incident of an advance sellout this week as a number of Norwegian resellers have had to stop their pre-order programs for the iPad. Eplehuset (Apple House) has told its customers that "crazy interest" has led it to stop sales in advance. Fellow Apple reseller Humac has also quietly pulled the iPad, as it still has a category but no longer has active product pages.

It's believed that the sites took thousands of advance orders for the touchscreen device and that, unusually, the largest portion of orders skew heavily towards the more expensive 64GB iPad with 3G. Norwegian prices are also expected to be disproportionately high as a 16GB, Wi-Fi only iPad may cost 3790 Krone, or about $636.

Most retailers elsewhere in the world haven't taken pre-orders, making it difficult to gauge how reflective Norway's surprise may be of actual overall demand. However, the smaller population compared to some of Apple's larger markets suggests that unofficial pre-orders should be larger where they exist in the US.

A strong build-up isn't uncharacteristic for e-reader devices, as Barnes & Noble had to delay retail Nook sales for months. Such delays have usually been attributed to low production rather than sheer demand, however, and have rarely been given concrete numbers to gauge actual interest.

Also, such demand isn't known to have been seen before for tablet computers, which usually ship in lower numbers as a whole and are noticeably less common in Europe or the Americas than in southeast Asian countries like Korea. [via iPod1]"
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post #61 of 411
2/11/10 at 7:16am
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What happen to your modest proposal to ignore these trolls?


I thought name calling wasn't allowed on here??
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post #62 of 411
2/11/10 at 7:17am
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Originally Posted by Debian Dog View Post

What the F are you talking about "Click to Flash" is to TURN OFF Flash. You do not need it to make Flash work there Spanky.

I know that- but aren't you adding it because flash is giving you the beach ball of death on every website?
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post #63 of 411
2/11/10 at 7:17am
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Originally Posted by thompr View Post

A lot of opinions have been expressed regarding the iPad being nothing but a iPod Touch on steroids. The conclusion is that the product disappoints.

But one might want to check their implied premise, which is that a large iPod Touch would suck.

That's not my implied premise. My premise was that the iPad would be a great tablet computer; what I have been waiting for for (literally) years.

It is not. Hence, my disappointment. It is instead an information appliance which fails to render 75% of web videos, and a movie-watching appliance which has an antique aspect ratio.

I'm still waiting for the information/entertainment tablet (actually, the general purpose computer tablet) that I have wanted for years. No cigar with the 'Pad. Not for me. And your imagined premise ain't got nothing to do with it.
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post #64 of 411
2/11/10 at 7:18am
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I thought name calling wasn't allowed on here??

Tek, you're going down that same road again.
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post #65 of 411
2/11/10 at 7:19am
Bill's coments are exactly why microsoft hasen't developed an exciting product since.... well, ever.

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2/11/10 at 7:21am
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"So, it’s not like I sit there and feel the same way I did with iPhone where I say, 'Oh my God, Microsoft didn’t aim high enough.' It's a nice reader, but there’s nothing on the iPad I look at and say, 'Oh, I wish Microsoft had done it.'"

"There's nothing that the iPod does that I say, 'Oh, wow, I don't think we can do that.'" - Bill Gates, September 02, 2004


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post #67 of 411
2/11/10 at 7:21am
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Originally Posted by cincytee View Post

The result has been a flat-footed inability to predict, let alone respond to, the computing needs of the so-called consumer market.

Their share of the consumer market dwarfs Apple's share. If what you said about MS is true, what conclusions can be drawn about Apple?
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post #68 of 411
2/11/10 at 7:23am
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Originally Posted by Doug Halfen View Post

What people should be asking now: "Where/what will the iPad be in 2-3 years?" The ball is just starting to roll.

<yawn>

Wake me up when the 'Pad becomes something I'd like to own.
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post #69 of 411
2/11/10 at 7:26am
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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD View Post

Steve Jobs is all that and a salesman foremost.
Google PT Barnum.

iSteve knows how to fool some of the people all of the time. That is his genius.
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post #70 of 411
2/11/10 at 7:27am
Wow, competitor unimpressed with new product. News at 11. This crap writes itself.

This happens with any industry, computers is no exception. Dell isn't going to go about praising a Compaq product, they go about trying to undermine it somehow.
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post #71 of 411
2/11/10 at 7:28am
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Originally Posted by Carniphage View Post

a new form-factor needs a new interface.



I agree, which is one of the reasons I am so disappointed that the iTouch interface was shoehorned into the new form factor.

I was expecting something innovative.
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post #72 of 411
2/11/10 at 7:30am
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Originally Posted by KindredMac View Post

BEAUTIFUL idea! Shooting with your DSLR tethered to an iPad would be an asset that would be invaluable and make a wonderful professional reason to buy one!

Alas though.... Unless they made the iPad so that I can tether it to my iPhone and I don't need to pay for any extra data package I most likely will not be in the market for one. I have my iPhone and I have my MacBook Pro. Do I really need or want a 9.7" iPod Touch that cannot embrace the real internet?

But you can via wifi, I guess the iPone app will be called WiFishare.
I'm now scrambling to implement it.

J.
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post #73 of 411
2/11/10 at 7:31am
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

We have no clue if the average user is going to have any interest in the iPad. We should at least wait until its been available for a while.

With that being said love or hate them Bill Gates and Steve Jobs will go down in history as the pioneers of the technology age. So the fact that Steve Jobs has made many comments about his competitors Bill Gates also has the right and when either speaks they are taken seriously.

Bill Gates is simply giving his opinion, something Steve Jobs does often.

Rather than reading the wailings of the out-of-touch tech pundits, I have spoken to some average people who are not geeks but mainstream consumers. They love it and can't wait to try it. Almost universally they won't commit to buying it but are excited to try it out. If the screen is big enough, the type legible enough and the hardware light enough...they're sold!

Most these people have already used an iPod or iPhone and are expecting the software to be just as easy to use. Some people disparage the iPad by saying "Its just a big iPod Touch". Yeah and that's not a bad thing. Many people want A BIGGER IPOD TOUCH!

Maybe you wanted flexible organic OLED screens, augmented reality interfaces and tractor beams, but Joe Shmoe doesn't.
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post #74 of 411
2/11/10 at 7:32am
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Originally Posted by thompr View Post

A lot of opinions have been expressed regarding the iPad being nothing but a iPod Touch on steroids. The conclusion is that the product disappoints.

But one might want to check their implied premise, which is that a large iPod Touch would suck. The iPod Touch is a very popular product, and one of the main knocks against it is the small screen. Another is the lack of 3G connectivity. Providing a version with a very large screen and 3G as an option addresses those concerns.

So I can start with the same view, i.e. that the iPad is basically a large iPod Touch (or if you opt for 3G, a large iPhone without the voice call component yet) and obtain the conclusion that it will be a fairly popular product. Not "iPhone-style" popular... but definitely "Macbook-style" popular.

Thompson

Oh I think it will be successful, I've never said it wouldn't. But it's not for me - I have enough iPods to last me fine. The thing it many of us were just very dissapointed that after 3 years since the Netbook came into being that this was Apple's answer to it. Having said that I'm sure it will do well especially once the pricing gets adjusted downwards. However I don't see it as a revolutionary device due to the fact that it's controlled and tied to the iTunes store like the AppleTV is.

Tek
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post #75 of 411
2/11/10 at 7:33am
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

http://www.electronista.com/articles...ipad.requests/

Norwegian resellers forced to halt Apple iPad pre-orders due to "crazy interest"
Tuesday, February 09, 2010 - 04:53 PM EST

Apple is facing the rare incident of an advance sellout this week as a number of Norwegian resellers have had to stop their pre-order programs for the iPad. Eplehuset (Apple House) has told its customers that "crazy interest" has led it to stop sales in advance. Fellow Apple reseller Humac has also quietly pulled the iPad, as it still has a category but no longer has active product pages.

It's believed that the sites took thousands of advance orders for the touchscreen device and that, unusually, the largest portion of orders skew heavily towards the more expensive 64GB iPad with 3G. Norwegian prices are also expected to be disproportionately high as a 16GB, Wi-Fi only iPad may cost 3790 Krone, or about $636.

Most retailers elsewhere in the world haven't taken pre-orders, making it difficult to gauge how reflective Norway's surprise may be of actual overall demand. However, the smaller population compared to some of Apple's larger markets suggests that unofficial pre-orders should be larger where they exist in the US.

A strong build-up isn't uncharacteristic for e-reader devices, as Barnes & Noble had to delay retail Nook sales for months. Such delays have usually been attributed to low production rather than sheer demand, however, and have rarely been given concrete numbers to gauge actual interest.

Also, such demand isn't known to have been seen before for tablet computers, which usually ship in lower numbers as a whole and are noticeably less common in Europe or the Americas than in southeast Asian countries like Korea. [via iPod1]"


You are really stretching with this quote. Clearly norway is the hotbed when it comes to predicting how a product is going to do on the market...

By they way that wasn't even close to the main point of my post.
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post #76 of 411
2/11/10 at 7:34am
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Originally Posted by iGenius View Post

iSteve knows how to fool some of the people all of the time. That is his genius.

Agreed- totally.
Don't you mean his- "igenius"?
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post #77 of 411
2/11/10 at 7:34am
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Originally Posted by bdkennedy1 View Post

I find it hypocritical that a marketing guy that never really invented anything except DOS says "no biggie" to something he doesn't really know anything about.

Bill Gates knows innovation like Donald Trump knows how to mop his floor.

he didn't invent DOS, he bought it AFTER he licensed it to IBM.
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post #78 of 411
2/11/10 at 7:34am
Bill, make something better, or else - STFU! Zune vs iPod ? iPhone vs oh, wait ... iPad vs ?
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2/11/10 at 7:35am
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post

Rather than reading the wailings of the out-of-touch tech pundits, I have spoken to some average people who are not geeks but mainstream consumers. They love it and can't wait to try it. Almost universally they won't commit to buying it but are excited to try it out. If the screen is big enough, the type legible enough and the hardware light enough...they're sold!

Most these people have already used an iPod or iPhone and are expecting the software to be just as easy to use. Some people disparage the iPad by saying "Its just a big iPod Touch". Yeah and that's not a bad thing. Many people want A BIGGER IPOD TOUCH!

Maybe you wanted flexible organic OLED screens, augmented reality interfaces and tractor beams, but Joe Shmoe doesn't.

How can you love something you have never tried? People use the term geek here like its a bad word. Which is a joke seeing its safe to say both Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are without a doubt technology geeks.

Acutally all I wanted was multitasking and simple stuff like Flash. Maybe something crazy like a USB port. Its Ireland that has a hardon for OLED.
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2/11/10 at 7:35am
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Originally Posted by TEKSTUD View Post

Agreed- totally.
Don't you mean his- "igenius"?

Kvailys visikas.
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