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Microsoft on Thursday detailed some of the new features in its forthcoming Office for Mac 2011 suite, including co-authoring tools, Web apps, and a redesigned ribbon interface more consistent with its Windows counterpart.

Microsoft is a part of Macworld 2010 expo in San Francisco this week, and has used the event to divulge details on its forthcoming update to Office for Mac, expected to arrive later this year.

"Together with your team -- officemates, family or classmates -- you are part of the community that helps shape each version of Office for Mac," said Eric Wilfrid, MacBU general manager at Microsoft Corp. "Youve told us that working together across platforms is a priority to you and thats why we are making Office for Mac 2011 the best, most compatible productivity suite on the Mac."

Pricing for the new version has not yet been made available, and a company official told Mary-Jo Foley of ZDNet that Microsoft is looking into support for the forthcoming Apple iPad, though it has nothing to announce at this time. Apple will sell multi-touch versions of Numbers, Pages and Keynote -- part of its competing iWork suite -- for the iPad for $9.99 each, and Pages will allow users to save documents as Microsoft Word files.

Microsoft revealed Thursday that the co-authoring tools in Office 2011 will allow multiple users the ability to work on files from Word, PowerPoint or Excel from different locations. The Presence Everywhere feature gives real-time updates on who is working on the document directly in the application.

Microsoft Web Apps can also be accessed from within Office 2011, allowing users to share Office documents from any machine with an Internet connection.

The addition of a ribbon layout to Office for Mac hasn't completely rearranged the design users have become accustomed to, Microsoft said. Instead, it gives "the best of both worlds" by using the classic Mac menu and Standard Toolbar.

"Together these tools make it easy to find and discover new and frequently used commands," the company's press release said. "In fact, more than 80 percent of the most used features live in the default view of our new user experience so you don't have to waste time finding the tool you need."



The company also previously announced that it would include a brand new version of Outlook built as a Cocoa application from the ground up for the Mac platform. The company has said its new Outlook will make the application attractive, give it high performance, and integrate it with the Mac OS X operating system.

Microsoft also announced Thursday that Outlook for Mac would allow importing of .PST files from Outlook for Windows, which it said was one of the top requests from customers. The new Outlook will also allow Spotlight search and backup support from Time Machine.
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I hope they fix the performance hit introduced with Office 2008.
post #3 of 91
Looks more like iWork 09.
post #4 of 91
Been using Office 2007 on my MBP and I see no reason to upgrade to Office 2011. MS has a habit of making their Mac versions of Office less than their PC/Windows counterpart. Anyone want to venture a guess why? Personally, I like the ribbon, but many may find it an inconvenience.
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post #5 of 91
I just want Outlook for Mac. I'm not a fan of my mail, calendar and address book being separated.
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post #6 of 91
It feels like every iteration of MS office for Mac just gets worse. Each new version is slower to load than the last one, less responsible, and more complicated -- without being more capable.
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I just want Outlook for Mac. I'm not a fan of my mail, calendar and address book being separated.

So many DB errors in Entourage I got mad with it (reconstruction, reinstalling, etc : the whole
Microsoft ).
I dumped it and use Mail / iCal / Address Book since a year : never a single bug.
Talk about stopping losing time
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Dear MacBU:

I know there are Office for Mac haters out there (a few might show up on this very thread). But I'm not one of them. For me, Office for Mac means that I don't have to run Windows at home (like I do at work). Just so you know where I stand, I'm a big, big fan.

That said, I do NOT love the ribbon on Office 2007. IMO it's a huge impediment vs. the menu interface for those of us who are not brand new to Office (or computers in general). I'm asking that you please NOT REPLACE THE MENU! If some users want the ribbon, fine, but make it possible to at least optionally run Office the old way with the standard menu; at least Word and Excel. That is important to me and probably to most of the Office for Mac users (again, ignoring the haters who don't count as they probably aren't actually customers in the first place).

Who knows, maybe the Office for Windows team could learn a thing or two from the MacBU team?

The only other things I need would be to have macro support added back in Excel, and some way to edit the current cell via a keyboard shortcut in Excel (like F2 in Mac for Windows).

Thanks for your consideration.

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Originally Posted by FineTunes View Post

MS has a habit of making their Mac versions of Office less than their PC/Windows counterpart.

That was absolutely untrue in 2004.
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Originally Posted by John.B View Post

Dear MacBU:

I know there are Office for Mac haters out there (a few might show up on this very thread). But I'm not one of them.
Thanks for your consideration.

John.B

Since Office X (1999), spellcheck is a bag of hurt — even doesn't work AT ALL in O. 2008.
Since Office 2004, Word quits unexpectedly every day.
Since Office 2008, lines and signs counter disappeared from the status bar — how stupid is that
for any writer ?
Und so weiter…
post #11 of 91
What about some of the other Office apps? I haven't been able to use it much, but Infopath has a lot of potential for office use, and I've heard good things about OneNote.

I read elsewhere that this version will bring back support for VBA. (hooray!) What about VSTO? I don't expect to be able to develop on a Mac, but a Mac user should be able to use plug-ins and documents that use it. Between Silverlight and Mono, such things seem quite possible.

Unfortunately, keeping Office on Windows as a "superior" product is in Microsoft's interest...
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Since Office X (1999), spellcheck is a bag of hurt even doesn't work AT ALL in O. 2008.
Since Office 2004, Word quits unexpectedly every day.
Since Office 2008, lines and signs counter disappeared from the status bar how stupid is that
for any writer ?
Und so weiter

I'm not going to defend MacBU line for line with everyone who has a gripe. But Office 2008 has been an asset for me, esp. since it means I can maintain document compatibility with documents from work while ditching my last Windows PC at home. That's more than I get with iWork, NeoOffice, OpenOffice, etc.

I'll admit, I'm having none of the problems you seem to be having...

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All I know is I hate the new interface for Office on the PC.

If this is the Ribbon interface, and it is coming to Mac, god help us.

I can NEVER find what I'm looking for. Why don't I have the option of the standard, simple interface we are all used to with Office?

Ugh. Change for the sake of change SUCKS. Really, how much can you add/update a word processor? They've been the same for 20 years just about. But then how can MS charge for updates?

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post #14 of 91
With all the past security issues with OfficeMac, I really feel sorry for those forced to use it on their Mac's.


As some might not know, OpenOffice can save files in Office format, so they can be used on a Windows/Office machine at work.

OpenOffice is free, so give it a try and see if you can use it without having to buy OfficeMac.

There are also RTF, Text and other formats for files that are cross-platform/program compatible, so one can do some basic transferring without having to specifically use OfficeMac.

I have nearly managed to get by my entire life without buying or using any Microsoft product (outside of XP and Vista for Fusion) for my own personal use.
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That was absolutely untrue in 2004.

Totally agree, 2004 was lightyears ahead of the windows version, there were things they could do with the mac they simply couldn't do in the windows version, just one example I believe was the transparency they incorporated.
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The Ribbon is a deal breaker; the interface in '08 is bad enough as it is.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not hatin'... but evaluated on its own merits, and not on any argument based on the premise of "it's what everyone else uses", Office long ago stopped having any compelling reason why anyone should use it. I use it less and less and I look forward to the day when I don't have to deal with M$'s horrible UI and forcing us to do things they way their programmers think we should instead of how we want to.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

I just want Outlook for Mac. I'm not a fan of my mail, calendar and address book being separated.

Indeedy - I wish there was an option to group them. Or an app that would do this for you. The worlds of calendaring, emails and contacts are but one so why separate them to windows all over the place.
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Dear MacBU:

I know there are Office for Mac haters out there (a few might show up on this very thread). But I'm not one of them. For me, Office for Mac means that I don't have to run Windows at home (like I do at work). Just so you know where I stand, I'm a big, big fan.

That said, I do NOT love the ribbon on Office 2007. IMO it's a huge impediment vs. the menu interface for those of us who are not brand new to Office (or computers in general). I'm asking that you please NOT REPLACE THE MENU! If some users want the ribbon, fine, but make it possible to at least optionally run Office the old way with the standard menu; at least Word and Excel. That is important to me and probably to most of the Office for Mac users (again, ignoring the haters who don't count as they probably aren't actually customers in the first place).

Who knows, maybe the Office for Windows team could learn a thing or two from the MacBU team?

The only other things I need would be to have macro support added back in Excel, and some way to edit the current cell via a keyboard shortcut in Excel (like F2 in Mac for Windows).

Thanks for your consideration.

John.B

Menus are not being removed. Unlike Windows Office, we're keeping the familiar Mac interface with the standard menubar at the top of the screen.

VB and Macros are back in Office 2011. I blogged about this a year and a half ago: http://www.schwieb.com/blog/2008/05/...-visual-basic/

On the Mac, Ctrl-U is the keystroke to edit the current cell. F2 means "Copy" (of you ever used an old Extended Keybard II, you know why...) YOu can use Ctrl-U in all versions of Excel from 98 up!

Schwieb
MacBU Dev Lead
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Indeedy - I wish there was an option to group them. Or an app that would do this for you. The worlds of calendaring, emails and contacts are but one so why separate them to windows all over the place.

Me too. It's not like they aren't all connected on the backend already. I just want an option in the side bar, like with Notes and To Dos to see/edit my AddressBook and iCal.
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Menus are not being removed. Unlike Windows Office, we're keeping the familiar Mac interface with the standard menubar at the top of the screen.

VB and Macros are back in Office 2011. I blogged about this a year and a half ago: http://www.schwieb.com/blog/2008/05/...-visual-basic/

On the Mac, Ctrl-U is the keystroke to edit the current cell. F2 means "Copy" (of you ever used an old Extended Keybard II, you know why...) YOu can use Ctrl-U in all versions of Excel from 98 up!

Schwieb
MacBU Dev Lead

Schwieb,

Thanks for the feedback and corrections!

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post #21 of 91
I hope they'll finally introduce support for right-to-left languages such as Hebrew.
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That was absolutely untrue in 2004.

really? what about ms access? what about outlook? what about their half assed support for exchange in entourage? i also seem to recall some scripting was removed from their mac version at that time - or was that in 2008?

i have to admit - i switched to mail around that time after one too many entourage crashes...
post #23 of 91
Office for Mac has the best of both worlds menus and ribbons; and this time the Mac version seems to be on par with the version for Windows.

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Microsoft revealed Thursday that the co-authoring tools in Office 2011 will allow multiple users the ability to work on files from Word, PowerPoint or Excel from different locations. The Presence Everywhere feature gives real-time updates on who is working on the document directly in the application.

Google Wave, anyone...?
post #25 of 91
This is great! I can finally stop using Office 2010 on a VM with this.

My only concern to MacBU is the screen real estate use by the toolbar + ribbon. If we can sort of hide everything above the ribbon altogether that would be fantastic!
post #26 of 91
The ribbon does not suck. Learn to love it. I have.
post #27 of 91
Hi All,

I just wish Microsoft would provide the same functionality to Office Mac version as windows counterpart. We do not get Visio, which has been great help to me developing organizational charts etc. for organizational strategy plans, I am involved with at moment. Microsoft Project is also important part of everyday life and it is not available anymore in Mac version.

Thats my rant about MS, good office products, but give us the same functionality for Mac.

Peace

Soul
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I am not an MS fan... but after years of using Word and Excel, the only reason I can live with Pages and Numbers is because I am no longer in the 'business' world. Actually, Pages is pretty slick for what I do... but Numbers is always going to be a 'play' spreadsheet compared to Excel. For the market it's aimed at, that is AOK (that's me right now). But, if I needed the guts of Excel, I'd be glad to have access to the cheaper Mac version instead of having to deal with Fusion/PArallel/BootCamp and $800 for the full Office Widows deal...
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The ribbon does not suck. Learn to love it. I have.

Someone should make the movie: "How I learned to stop worrying, and love the MS Office Ribbon"...

I actually prefer the ribbon to the old ways. Initially it did lead to a lot of frustration as I had to relearn stuff, but it has 2 huge advantages once you get used to it:

1) Much more screenspace (very easy to get rid of it, by double clicking the ribbon tab, and easy to get it back too)

2) Features are FAR MORE discoverable...

Idon't mind the ribbon. I just wish I can remove that extra bar of icons, since it just seems a waste of space...
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Hi All,

I just wish Microsoft would provide the same functionality to Office Mac version as windows counterpart. We do not get Visio, which has been great help to me developing organizational charts etc. for organizational strategy plans, I am involved with at moment. Microsoft Project is also important part of everyday life and it is not available anymore in Mac version.

Thats my rant about MS, good office products, but give us the same functionality for Mac.

Peace

Soul

Agreed, and its hard to fathom that Excel and Word got their start on the Mac.
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post #31 of 91
Now that this is out, will Microsoft no longer provide bug fixes for 2008?
Been checking and nothing new since last year.

As anyone who has used PowerPoint knows, it will crash at random when printing and does not compress images the same way as the Windows version.

Talking to Microsoft, and indicating I have installed this on a virgin Mac OS X v10.5 system - just their application alone and one HP printer driver - and I can duplicate it. They want a credit card to even look at the problem.
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All I know is I hate the new interface for Office on the PC.

I can NEVER find what I'm looking for. Why don't I have the option of the standard, simple interface we are all used to with Office

agreed. At work I frequently use the pc with the old version of office. The problem with the ribbon is the abstract tab headings. It's not an automatic process to identify which tab something should be under. You have to engage in this intense conceptual philosophical process of guessing where some arbitrary programmer thinks something should go. Just let us customize the toolbar so it's a single view and I can put the twenty or so commands I frequently use at a single glance.
post #33 of 91
Check out the screen shots of Word. All I see is an OCS presence bubble there. And outlook for Mac! I haven't been this excited about a release in a long time. Haven't heard any word if the new communicator will have the same functionality as MOC.

As for the ribbons. I love them. Know plenty that don't. The fact they get to stay because of the menus should make both worlds very happy!

DJ
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Dunks - right-click on any button in Office 2007/2010 and choose add to quick launch. Does exactly what you are looking for. Then minimize the ribbon.

DJ
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New ribbon can be collapsed. CNET has better coverage than AppleInsider???

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10...dStoriesArea.1

Click on the picture and then go to picture #2 the caption reads.... "The ribbon interface within Office for Mac 2011 can also be collapsed, as in this look."

So breath deep.

That said I agree the ribbon blows chunks!!!! I cant stand the current floating formula bar in Excel 2008 either.

Office 2008 was really slow, but now with many patches Word opens up just as fast as Pages. Word does have more features than Pages, I often will take a screen shot and the rotate the perspective and give it a drop shadow in Word, for nice looking documentation. You cant do this in Pages.

For Excel compatibility I find that OpenOffice looks very much like Excel 2003 (no ribbon) and does not have that floating formula bar. Plus it supports VBA macros, or most of them, all that I have tried to use.

For a Visio/Project replacement on the Mac.....

http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnigraffle/

http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omniplan/

I find both, especially omnigraffle, way betterthan Visio/Project.

I dont know why anyone would want to use Outlook at all, especially with Snow Leopards Exchange support.

Apple should buy OmniGroup, beef up Pages and Number a bit and then offer their own "Office" with, pages, numbers, keynote, graffle and plan.
post #36 of 91
Why does it take MacBU years to do anything with Office when it's their only product, and when they have probably 50+ people working for them?

They've had close to 10 years to implement Arabic/Hebrew support but haven't been bothered to. Office has always ran less reliably or as fast as its PC counterparts. Really, I don't care anymore.

I'm using Office 2004 until it won't run anymore; on my PPC Macs -- that should be never, and on my Intel Macs until Rosetta disappears (will it ever?)

My next move will be OpenOffice and/or Pages. Most likely OpenOffice since I would have complete cross-platform compatibility on not only OS X and Windows, but also my Linux machines.

I'm sure this is good news for some of you though, and I'm happy MS continues to toss you a few crumbs so you'll stay on board (not that you have a choice, since you're probably tied to it for work-related reasons).
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That was absolutely untrue in 2004.

No, it is. Ever hear of things that are included in the Windows version of Office, like Publisher? Access? And they are *where?* in the Mac version?
post #38 of 91
My office is a perfect example of why we don't use Office for Mac.

Microsoft has over-thought Mac Office to the point that it's barely Office anymore.

Years ago people were clamoring for a Mac Office that looked like a Mac app. All that did was limit cross-platform compatibility. Now you have Mac Excel that can't use Visual Basic, and whatever that cluster-fu** is - Entourage.

Office is not a Mac app. We could have switched a dozen salespeople over to Mac if Office for Mac looked and behaved as it did on Windows.

Cross-platform compatibility is not limited to whether you can open and close documents. It also includes being able to use the software on both platforms without having to relearn the user interface. I should be able to sit a Windows person down on a Mac with Word and tell them to type me a letter without them having to relearn everything.

Mac Office should look and behave just like the Windows version.
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Originally Posted by IHateRegistering View Post

All I know is I hate the new interface for Office on the PC.

If this is the Ribbon interface, and it is coming to Mac, god help us.

I can NEVER find what I'm looking for. Why don't I have the option of the standard, simple interface we are all used to with Office?

I couldn't agree more with this...I can NEVER find anything in word on the PC with this ribbon thing (didn't know that was what it was called)...and I've been using Word 2007 for a year now
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Originally Posted by John.B View Post

Dear MacBU:

I know there are Office for Mac haters out there (a few might show up on this very thread). But I'm not one of them. For me, Office for Mac means that I don't have to run Windows at home (like I do at work). Just so you know where I stand, I'm a big, big fan.

That said, I do NOT love the ribbon on Office 2007. IMO it's a huge impediment vs. the menu interface for those of us who are not brand new to Office (or computers in general). I'm asking that you please NOT REPLACE THE MENU! If some users want the ribbon, fine, but make it possible to at least optionally run Office the old way with the standard menu; at least Word and Excel. That is important to me and probably to most of the Office for Mac users.

Well put, and although I agree that Microsoft should provide a "classic" view for Word and Excel, I find the ribbon to be a huge improvement. Granted I am only 25, but having used MS Word since its inception (over half my life), it is so nice to not have to drill down into the text menus where a particularly useful function would be placed in a relatively obscure location (Excel '03 and older, I'm looking at you). I really began using Office 2007 at my job over 2 years ago, and was actually one of the few people to use it in the whole company (everyone else still used 2003). I thought the ribbon was quirky at first, but by having an open mind I quickly came to learn and love it, and you can actually do things much faster as everything is much more accessible. I find the majority of the haters out there simply haven't given the ribbon any time of day, either by not taking the time to learn it, or are stubborn and refuse to accept it. Those screen caps of Office for Mac: 2010 look really nice, and I love the look even more than the PC version. Hopefully MS doesn't castrate the Mac version with 2010.
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